I recently switched to an AX-Lightness Phoenix saddle. Although it’s not the latest model (2016), it weighs an incredibly light 62 grams. The saddle is made of bare carbon with no padding. Two days ago, I rode a 182 km tour from Nuremberg to Munich with it, and it was the most comfortable saddle I've ever ridden - absolutely no pain. You don't need padding to ride comfortably. I hadn't ridden much on the saddle before this tour and only made minor adjustments, having ridden about 100 km on it beforehand.
Thank you great Vid. I’m in a weight weenie phase at present and similar to yourself looking at shedding un-necessary weight. The Rotor cassettes are crazy light but come with a price premium. You can also fit carbon axles (Super team I think), but again at a premo price. Maybe look at your handlebars as you can shave weight there along with swapping out stainless steel bolts for titanium. The titanium bolts are about 1/2 the weight of stainless steel. Maxxi have the best lightweight tyres and so some marginal gains. As i bet you already know it’s a case of gain Vs cost. I really appreciate you sharing this information and making this vid. Again, thank you
Thanks a lot for the tips. I was looking at lighter handlebars already but couldnt find anything that would be significantly lighter than the Avian Canary. Maybe the Darimo one. For the thru axles i actually already use the Carbon Ti ones which i think are only around 5g heavier than full carbon ones. I will have a look at swapping out the bolts for ti ones. Do you know how much weight can be saved there on a full bike? 🤜🤛
Concerning saddle: I have found a lil’ wonder on AE which weighs 80g and costs 30€… insane. And perfect for me. I have four of them, can ride for hours with it, magic
@@klein-concept no better yet it is a totally NO BRAND one. Many sellers have it and sell it as « carbon saddle » it is so cheap, sometimes 20€ that it serms fishy but no! I have it on my superlight Cannondale, on my latest superlight track bike video in case you haven’t seen it. So I have ridden it super hard & super chill. 0 issues
Bro, you are making interesting videos but in every one of them you have a parasite word, I think you might be aware and I am not the first one to mention this but please do consider that in this video you did say "yeah" 47 times. I had the same experience with 3d saddles, they are over hyped and heavier. Fully carbon is definitely lighter yet having a thin layer of padding is so worth it, you can tilt the saddle at a more comfortable angle and don't slip as much, in my opinion is better than weigh savings. As for recommendations I can suggest to look into veloplugs, and take a look on ae for a set of ti bolts that replace all the small bolts used throughout the groupset, also check out a lighter shifter clamp and expander plug, also you find a lighter chain and direct mount hanger.
Overall you could save another 200g more I believe and looks like you did a good job shaving weight so far. Looking forward for an follow up video with the recommendations you get from this video.
First of all nice video! But what do you think, does the bike still look good with all this parts from different brands? Ok, the project aims to save as much weight as possible, but in general what is more important to you: the look or the weight?
The changes you made are what I would have initiated mostly because those are the easiest to execute and also best weight saving u can get for each part change. The brisk wheels at 1KG are sick. I thought the crw wheels are already tops at 1.2KG Im curious why u did not address the dropbars. That's about 150grams for some Darimo ones. I have always wanted to know the weight diff of the elilee vs the dura-ace. The Elilee still has a lighter crank called the X-Novanta vs the X310 (and x320) but the price is eye-watering. Maybe you can double down on a sequel with the next level weight weenie changes ie bar tape, bottle holder, titanium bolts, carbon stem cap and see how much it will cost. More power
Hi, I found Tune saddles were always light and accurate with their quoted weight. I find that the AX-Lightness Phoenix saddle to be the lightest ive found, thats 65g. It doesnt work for me (unless i find a seatpost with 35mm setback, or i use it on a mountain bike) but its the same sort of shape as a Tune Komm-vor, speedneedle etc. Cheers.
yeah i just make some little adjustments - for around 3500$ 😂 nice build! (kleiner Tip noch: ich habe auch die GP5000 S TS und gerade heute die Maxxis High Road bestellt - ganze 134g leichter das Paar 😉bezüglich der Haltbarkeit mit TPU's lässt sich dann sehen...)
Hello I enjoyed your video. Do you have an aluminum or carbon spider on your elilee crankset? Also, did you have to use spacers for the crankset and were they provided? Thanks
Elilee Cranks and what about the Q Factor - was there any issue for you coming from that? I could also see strange plastic ring it needs to be added on the non drive site of the crankset which also seems do not look that nice (maybe only 24 mm version but this is the one I need). Any experience of using this crankset for longer period?
So far no issues. Feels very similar to my previous Dura Ace crankset. The spacer really depends on your bottom bracket area width so there could be a way for you to not need it. So far i only made 250km on the crankset.
Don't especially like the feel of the 3-D printed saddles. Top seems too rough and not slippery enough for me to move around on. The quest for the comfortable saddle is a lifelong one though, just like ski boots....
That's what I thought. The Scott CR1SL which I built up in 2006 without all of the exotic parts here weighed under 6kg. Now it's 12 speed and it's still only 6.3
bro u need ro renew front cassette to tt carbon,also rear deraleaur also renew with carbon made,also renew tpi inner tubes and tire vittoria corsa next or vittoria corsa speed....u will save more weight with this...make plus pedals...maybe u can take time pedals carbon titanium made they are very lightweight both weighet around 240grms.
I have the FSA 55 R headset and the Bossi fork - were these compatible with Avian Canary or did you have to change to a DCR headset system? Were you able to keep the Bossi fork or did you have to change out the fork?
Would love to know ow how you get on with the Neutron Cassette over some more km’s. I’m debating whether or not to change my dura-ace but don’t fancy bad gear changes…
Die berk Sättel sind an sich super, allerdings sind mir schon zwei gebrochen bzw. der Kleber zwischen Carbonschale und den Streben hat sich gelöst. Wurden zwar ersetzt, aber Vertrauen ist etwas weg.
@@davidlau2467 i generally weigh without pedals as that allows to compare it to weight specs from other manufacturers who always weigh without pedals. But in general of course you are right 🫶
From UCI: Technical regulation 1.3. 019 states “The weight of the bicycle cannot be less than 6.8 kilograms”. Removable accessories, such as bike computers or water bottles, are not included in this, but fixed accessories (ones that can't be removed during competition) such as pedals, bottle cages and bike computer mounts are.
Selle Italia SLR Boost TM Superflow S3 for life :) As a result of a session with @Bikefitjames and boy am I happy with it. Using the endurance version as well.
Where are the weight saving bar end plugs? My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined 💔 Anyway, like your videos! Nice builds! Really love them even though im more of a mtb dude! No hate pls 😂
Hello, my request in nont about this nice bike, but about disk brakes road bikes in general. Today i spoke with a guy ( ex high level amateur racer, cat1 ), who recently bought a Scott addict with disk brakes. He told me that the gain is 1 or 2 kmh on average speed ( vs rim brake ) ; and you climb almost " effortless " ( lol ) because of the axles and specific construction of the frame ( stiffness ). What is your opinion / experience ; as you ride both systems. My bikes are Wilier mortirolo pro race scandium and cannondale super six evo 2016 - both rim brakes.
@@pennetierphilippe8529 i dont ride for time or measurable results to be honest. In the rain i clearly prefer disc. On descents i prefer disc as you have more modulation and can brake later but also did descents on rim as well without issues. With the bikes i ride i would not put the stiffness down to the axles but rather more modern and thicker tubes while my rim brake bike has very small and flexi tubes. Overall if you are not a pro racer i think it makes very little difference what you ride except that it is easier to get replacements, wheels and groupsets for disc brake bikes these days.
@@klein-concept Thanks a lot... nowadays i ride... the wilier aluminium Easton scandium sc7000 ( hand made and high end ) with carbon wheels ( 30x25 mm ); 7.25 kilos ( including pedals lol ). I am happy with it : stiff, agile, very good braking even on the wet ( red pads from campagnolo on Chorus brakeset, with special braking surface A2, very efficient ). I am waiting for a carbon tubular wheelset 40 x 25 mm from go-zone, 1150 grams ). Will test it on Wilier and Cannondale. So my request was only on performance / stiffness and i agree that the design makes sense, before disk or rim brake.
Shimano has patents on the notches for good shifting, which os why 3rd party vendors cant shift as well. At least not without licesing the design or thry risk getting sued
@@Stevehatesgravel ah that makes sense. Riding a carbon frame of course helps with keeping the weight down especially in a rim brake version. Sweet ride 🤜🤛
@@Stevehatesgravel thanks a lot. If you are into light climbing machines you might also like this sub 6.8kg old steel build of mine. ua-cam.com/video/iaLxs8exLQo/v-deo.html
Bro that wheel set is ridiculously lite weight 😮😮😮 great video as always bro 😎
Thanks mate 🤜🤛
Great video as always mate!!! I didn't get a chance to check your video much earilier due to super busy work!! Keep it up! :)
Thanks a lot. Great to hear you enjoyed it 🤜🤛
Enjoying your videos from down under, great content.👌
Thanks a lot. Happy to hear that 🫶
I recently switched to an AX-Lightness Phoenix saddle. Although it’s not the latest model (2016), it weighs an incredibly light 62 grams. The saddle is made of bare carbon with no padding. Two days ago, I rode a 182 km tour from Nuremberg to Munich with it, and it was the most comfortable saddle I've ever ridden - absolutely no pain. You don't need padding to ride comfortably. I hadn't ridden much on the saddle before this tour and only made minor adjustments, having ridden about 100 km on it beforehand.
Thanks a lot. I didnt know about this saddle before. Will have a look 🤜🤛
sick sick bike, great work my friend!
@@jaec6986 thanks a lot 🤜🤛
The angled Shimano gear teeth are called "Hyperglide" and yes, without that a cassette won't shift as well.
@@rg807 thanks a lot for that explaination 🤜🤛
Thank you great Vid. I’m in a weight weenie phase at present and similar to yourself looking at shedding un-necessary weight. The Rotor cassettes are crazy light but come with a price premium. You can also fit carbon axles (Super team I think), but again at a premo price. Maybe look at your handlebars as you can shave weight there along with swapping out stainless steel bolts for titanium. The titanium bolts are about 1/2 the weight of stainless steel. Maxxi have the best lightweight tyres and so some marginal gains. As i bet you already know it’s a case of gain Vs cost. I really appreciate you sharing this information and making this vid. Again, thank you
Thanks a lot for the tips. I was looking at lighter handlebars already but couldnt find anything that would be significantly lighter than the Avian Canary. Maybe the Darimo one.
For the thru axles i actually already use the Carbon Ti ones which i think are only around 5g heavier than full carbon ones.
I will have a look at swapping out the bolts for ti ones. Do you know how much weight can be saved there on a full bike?
🤜🤛
FYI, you can get a 900 gram tubeless wheelset for
What's the company? Could you send us a link to have a check and buy?
Yes share some more details please but also i m not looking for hookless. Seems a bit too risky in my opinion. 🫶
Nice video but You could probably save a good bit of weight by going for a smaller frame size on those glasses
@@f1nggy These are Darimo glasses filled with helium. They actually lighten up the whole setup
Concerning saddle: I have found a lil’ wonder on AE which weighs 80g and costs 30€… insane. And perfect for me. I have four of them, can ride for hours with it, magic
@@SamuelBlackMetalRider is it the Kocevlo one?
@@klein-concept no better yet it is a totally NO BRAND one. Many sellers have it and sell it as « carbon saddle » it is so cheap, sometimes 20€ that it serms fishy but no! I have it on my superlight Cannondale, on my latest superlight track bike video in case you haven’t seen it. So I have ridden it super hard & super chill. 0 issues
Thanks for the tip. Will have a look at that track bike 🤜🤛
@@SamuelBlackMetalRidercould you share a link pls? You can find dozens of sellers selling "carbon saddle" 😊
@@projectcycling not all of them are 80g... Just dig a bit, you will find it
200g savings on the crank is wild!
Was also surprised especially as i considered the Dura Ace one light already 🫶
Bro, you are making interesting videos but in every one of them you have a parasite word,
I think you might be aware and I am not the first one to mention this but please do consider that in this video you did say "yeah" 47 times.
I had the same experience with 3d saddles, they are over hyped and heavier.
Fully carbon is definitely lighter yet having a thin layer of padding is so worth it,
you can tilt the saddle at a more comfortable angle and don't slip as much, in my opinion is better than weigh savings.
As for recommendations I can suggest to look into veloplugs, and take a look on ae for a set of ti bolts that replace all the small bolts used throughout the groupset, also check out a lighter shifter clamp and expander plug, also you find a lighter chain and direct mount hanger.
Overall you could save another 200g more I believe and looks like you did a good job shaving weight so far. Looking forward for an follow up video with the recommendations you get from this video.
Thanks a lot for all the tips. Not easy to get rid of my filler words but i will keep it in mind 🫶
First of all nice video! But what do you think, does the bike still look good with all this parts from different brands? Ok, the project aims to save as much weight as possible, but in general what is more important to you: the look or the weight?
Both hehe. But what do you mean. If you would go for the look. What kind of setup would you have on this frame? 🫶
The changes you made are what I would have initiated mostly because those are the easiest to execute and also best weight saving u can get for each part change.
The brisk wheels at 1KG are sick. I thought the crw wheels are already tops at 1.2KG
Im curious why u did not address the dropbars. That's about 150grams for some Darimo ones.
I have always wanted to know the weight diff of the elilee vs the dura-ace. The Elilee still has a lighter crank called the X-Novanta vs the X310 (and x320) but the price is eye-watering.
Maybe you can double down on a sequel with the next level weight weenie changes ie bar tape, bottle holder, titanium bolts, carbon stem cap and see how much it will cost.
More power
Very good ideas. Thanks for the recommendations. Will start shopping for the next video 🤜🤛
Hi, I found Tune saddles were always light and accurate with their quoted weight. I find that the AX-Lightness Phoenix saddle to be the lightest ive found, thats 65g. It doesnt work for me (unless i find a seatpost with 35mm setback, or i use it on a mountain bike) but its the same sort of shape as a Tune Komm-vor, speedneedle etc. Cheers.
@@mrwhiteshorts thank you. Was looking at them as well but i dont know if a saddle without a pressure relief channel would work for me 🫶
I gained the weight of your bike in a year, still ride just as fast.
@@kyrrefelde1034 hehe thats great mate 🤜🤛
Maxxis tyres 180 or so grams a tyre in size 28. Ti bolts, frames and gear is good. Carbon ti chainring if you want to stay 2x
Thank you. Will have a look at them 🤜🤛
yeah i just make some little adjustments - for around 3500$ 😂 nice build! (kleiner Tip noch: ich habe auch die GP5000 S TS und gerade heute die Maxxis High Road bestellt - ganze 134g leichter das Paar 😉bezüglich der Haltbarkeit mit TPU's lässt sich dann sehen...)
@@schmerol haha ja schnäppchen 🫣 danke für den tip. Pack ich mir in den einkaufswagen 🤜🤛
Hello I enjoyed your video. Do you have an aluminum or carbon spider on your elilee crankset? Also, did you have to use spacers for the crankset and were they provided? Thanks
@@francoburatti4219 thank you. I have an aluminium spider and used one spacer. There are a couple being provided in the box. 🤜🤛
Elilee Cranks and what about the Q Factor - was there any issue for you coming from that? I could also see strange plastic ring it needs to be added on the non drive site of the crankset which also seems do not look that nice (maybe only 24 mm version but this is the one I need). Any experience of using this crankset for longer period?
So far no issues. Feels very similar to my previous Dura Ace crankset. The spacer really depends on your bottom bracket area width so there could be a way for you to not need it. So far i only made 250km on the crankset.
If you have a good bike fit, you don't need some cushy bar tape. Get some simple EVA one, it's good enough and would weight around 15g per roll.
Love that idea. Gonna see how much of a difference it makes 🤜🤛
@@klein-conceptit will surprise you. Some bar tapes can weigh up to 80-100g each side!!
where did u source the elilee cranks? can not order them to germany..
Via mail. Sending you the contact on Insta 🤜🤛
Don't especially like the feel of the 3-D printed saddles. Top seems too rough and not slippery enough for me to move around on. The quest for the comfortable saddle is a lifelong one though, just like ski boots....
@@valmorell so true. The journey of saddles 😂😂
Lovely bike. What is the cost of the parts you added had you had to pay for them?
@@jeremynorth thanks a lot 🫶 i think around 2000 euros
Hm... I think I'm gonna inspire myself with some of these parts. :-)
@@cyclistshub happy to help getting your bike lighter 🤜🤛
How is the shifting performance of the Neutron cassette?
It is pretty good. Its only a bit on the noisy side once your wax wears off.
Hallo Michael, hast du die Neutron Kassette noch ? Bei uns gibt es keinen Importeur für die ?
Hallo, das weiss ich nicht. Direkt von deren webseite bestellen geht nicht? 🫶
If you change to s-works aethos frame you will be sub 6kg instantly.
Haha true that 🫶
That's what I thought. The Scott CR1SL which I built up in 2006 without all of the exotic parts here weighed under 6kg. Now it's 12 speed and it's still only 6.3
@@jeremynorth using a carbon frame as a base will make things a lot lighter of course without much effort. Thats true.
bro u need ro renew front cassette to tt carbon,also rear deraleaur also renew with carbon made,also renew tpi inner tubes and tire vittoria corsa next or vittoria corsa speed....u will save more weight with this...make plus pedals...maybe u can take time pedals carbon titanium made they are very lightweight both weighet around 240grms.
Thanks a lot for the tips 🫶
@@klein-concept hoe it is helpful for u bro...good luck
I have the FSA 55 R headset and the Bossi fork - were these compatible with Avian Canary or did you have to change to a DCR headset system? Were you able to keep the Bossi fork or did you have to change out the fork?
@@farhaadriyaz the FSA 55R is compatible. I only needed to get the handlebar with the fsa spacer. And im using the Bossi fork as well 🤜🤛
@@klein-concept Thanks boss! And most importantly- thanks for the speedy reply! You're faster than Avian and Bossi customer support 🤣
@@farhaadriyaz haha always a pleasure
Would love to know ow how you get on with the Neutron Cassette over some more km’s. I’m debating whether or not to change my dura-ace but don’t fancy bad gear changes…
Will let you know once i out more km on it and was able to do some more under load shifting 🤜🤛
What I get from manufacturer it’s noisier than dura ace but by how much !! They are referring this to patents issue
Die berk Sättel sind an sich super, allerdings sind mir schon zwei gebrochen bzw. der Kleber zwischen Carbonschale und den Streben hat sich gelöst. Wurden zwar ersetzt, aber Vertrauen ist etwas weg.
Oh echt. Verschiedene modelle?
@@klein-concept bin auch besitzer eines Berk Sattles. keine Probleme bisher nach ~3500 km
Weight includes pedals my friend
@@randomname8442 🫶
Nice, but you should always weight your bike with pedals…
Thanks a lot 🫶
Agreed. As it is not a bike without pedals. For a more complete bike for weighing purposes, I'd even add a computer mount.
@@davidlau2467 i generally weigh without pedals as that allows to compare it to weight specs from other manufacturers who always weigh without pedals.
But in general of course you are right 🫶
From UCI: Technical regulation 1.3. 019 states “The weight of the bicycle cannot be less than 6.8 kilograms”. Removable accessories, such as bike computers or water bottles, are not included in this, but fixed accessories (ones that can't be removed during competition) such as pedals, bottle cages and bike computer mounts are.
Yep, definitely with pedals
Selle Italia SLR Boost TM Superflow S3 for life :) As a result of a session with @Bikefitjames and boy am I happy with it. Using the endurance version as well.
@@jespernohr thanks a lot for the tip. Might give it a try if i run into any issues with the Berk 🤜🤛
@@klein-concept remember it has to be the narrow version. It is 130mm and the "wide" version L3 is 145mm.
So, um Yeah. How's the shifting on the Nutron cassette now you've, Yeah, put some distance in on it.
The shifting is smooth but the cassette is a bit noisy especially when the chainwax slowly wears.
Where are the weight saving bar end plugs? My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined 💔
Anyway, like your videos! Nice builds! Really love them even though im more of a mtb dude! No hate pls 😂
@@dominikretschy1129 no hate at all and good point. Let me look at some lightweight bar end plugs 🤜🤛
what is the interface to mount the spider on the cranks? Is it a Easton type interface or something else
@@soapowejazz yes it is like on the eastons 🤜🤛
Gelu sadle weigth 40g only
Thank you. Did you try it and is it comfortable?
Cadex Amp is a nice compromise between weight and comfort for me. 129 grams and build quality is excellent
@@Evaso_CC thank you. Will have a look 🤜🤛
@@klein-concept I have also tried Alptitude saddle. Nice shape, but I found it too stiff.
Hello, my request in nont about this nice bike, but about disk brakes road bikes in general. Today i spoke with a guy ( ex high level amateur racer, cat1 ), who recently bought a Scott addict with disk brakes. He told me that the gain is 1 or 2 kmh on average speed ( vs rim brake ) ; and you climb almost " effortless " ( lol ) because of the axles and specific construction of the frame ( stiffness ).
What is your opinion / experience ; as you ride both systems. My bikes are Wilier mortirolo pro race scandium and cannondale super six evo 2016 - both rim brakes.
@@pennetierphilippe8529 i dont ride for time or measurable results to be honest. In the rain i clearly prefer disc. On descents i prefer disc as you have more modulation and can brake later but also did descents on rim as well without issues.
With the bikes i ride i would not put the stiffness down to the axles but rather more modern and thicker tubes while my rim brake bike has very small and flexi tubes.
Overall if you are not a pro racer i think it makes very little difference what you ride except that it is easier to get replacements, wheels and groupsets for disc brake bikes these days.
@@klein-concept Thanks a lot... nowadays i ride... the wilier aluminium Easton scandium sc7000 ( hand made and high end ) with carbon wheels ( 30x25 mm ); 7.25 kilos ( including pedals lol ). I am happy with it : stiff, agile, very good braking even on the wet ( red pads from campagnolo on Chorus brakeset, with special braking surface A2, very efficient ). I am waiting for a carbon tubular wheelset 40 x 25 mm from go-zone, 1150 grams ). Will test it on Wilier and Cannondale.
So my request was only on performance / stiffness and i agree that the design makes sense, before disk or rim brake.
What size frame are you riding?
A 56 🤜🤛
Presta cycle unibody cogs set is lighter.
Thanks. Had a look. Seems like they dont ship to Germany 🫣
Carbon Ti chainrings - or AliExpress pass quest... Anything else than ugly ultegra!
Agree, if Pog uses 'em...
Thank you. Will have a look how much lighter than the Dura Ace chainrings they are 🤜🤛
Shimano has patents on the notches for good shifting, which os why 3rd party vendors cant shift as well. At least not without licesing the design or thry risk getting sued
That makes sense. Thanks for letting me know the reason why this is the case 🤜🤛
@@klein-concept Glad it made sense with all my typos :)
@@kierenkd haha of course
Gelu K3 saddle 39gm
Was also thinking about that. Did you try it?
@@klein-conceptcomfortable bcoz of it shape
@@alanngkwanyein thank you. Might give it a try then 🤜🤛
How about getting a rim brake bike for no where the cost. my 10 year old giant is lighter 😂😂😂
@@Stevehatesgravel thats amazing 🫶. What kind of material is the frame made of?
@@klein-concept it's a carbon TCR with campagnolo and nothing special
@@Stevehatesgravel ah that makes sense. Riding a carbon frame of course helps with keeping the weight down especially in a rim brake version. Sweet ride 🤜🤛
@@klein-conceptit’s an absolute climbing machine. Just subbed 👍
@@Stevehatesgravel thanks a lot. If you are into light climbing machines you might also like this sub 6.8kg old steel build of mine.
ua-cam.com/video/iaLxs8exLQo/v-deo.html