@@ChopsticksMcguffin Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt on Harvard Museum of the Near East channel is awesome. If anyone has any other videos of Rita's work please inform below. Thanks.
Excellent discussion which reveals the ancient Egyptian religious similarity with so many other ancient cultures, practically shamanistic in origin. Amazing details disclosed! Thank you for posting this!
I grew up in Oklahoma. In Oklahoma there is a tradition of fishing for catfish using just your hands. What people do is stick their hand or foot into a catfishes hole and try to get the fish to bite. They then stick their hand into the gills of the fish and drag it out of their hole. I have seen catfish that were five feet long. There are stories of fish being even bigger than that. People have drowned trying to get these fish out of their holes. Basically the fish bites down and they can't get out of the fishes grip and they can't get the fish out of their hole. Catfish can be very scary indeed.
Omg! That’s what the cover of Marian Hills album is! I’m like why is she holding a giant golden fish?! WTF?! And that makes sense now why we call fake profiles ‘catfish’
That explains why Hollyweird is always so quick to make a movie about monsters/demons terrifying or destroying people. They forgot to mention that they can also provide great protection 🙄.
Her explanation of the iconography depicting things like knives - we generally are very much guilty of trying to interpret things we see in the ancient world with very skewed ideas. Take Middle Kingdom statuary. They didn't display them publicly and they weren't used as honorifics. When depicting a human, statues were always placed in a temple or a tomb and used in a ritual or as a guardian that embodies a god. We use statues as pigeon perches in parks with fountains surrounding them. They used statues in religious rites as a living being who actively participated in the ritual.
So much to discover on her lecture. I like her modern approach on the subject and the comparisons she provides with today's social demons we are living.
@@Plutonium.2 idk it was 3 years ago, but I watch a lot of academics give lectures and interviews in my free time and I just remember this being particularly hard to listen to. I had also tried to watch give presentations on a couple of other occasions prior to this, and likewise, ran into the same issue. Maybe you’re just smarter than me.
Not sure why it would be necessary to characterize Apep as an anti-God. There are evil gods, are there not? Or gods who can be opponents: Tiamat, Humbaba, Nergal, etc.
Simply because Apep goes beyond Creation, it is anti-Creation and anti-gods. All gods have good and bad aspects, good and evil are inside Ma'at, it's the balance, but the snake is against Ma'at, it represents isfet
@@busimagen Anti-matter I can understand. Anti-god, in the context of so many evil gods, or gods capable of good and evil, makes no sense to me. An unnecessary term. I'm not sure that apep is a god at all, in which case the term anti-god still doesn't apply.
Ap/ep is not a deity as deities are beings who were worshipped. There are no cults or temples for Ap/ep. He is simply destruction personified, a way for ancient Egyptian to conceptualise order vs chaos, life vs nothingness.
The most logical explanation in my mind would be bad education system coupled with natural disasters/wars wiping out older educated people which were the people with the high knowledge and thus knowledge gets lost
There was no writing in the pre dynastic period so tell me how do you know anything about Egyptian science if they didn't even have anything such as writing
Hello, The Oriental Institute is currently undergoing the process of addressing issues surrounding our name, we are taking actions that will ultimately result in the renaming of the institution. As this process unfolds, we will continue to refer to our institution under the abbreviation, The OI.
Another ethnocentric view that is so far removed from the truth that it is embarrassing.. Temples were not places of worship and had nothing to do with religion. Temples were simply places of education and hieroglyphs are symbols with multiple layers of meaning depending on the position with other hieroglyphs, even if those hieroglyphs are on opposite walls in different rooms. The words demon and god do not exist, just like the word Pharaoh !
sounds like you have read The Temple in Man.. classic de Lubicz .. the ancient Egyptians were so far advanced that to suggest that they believed in magic and gods is ludicrous.
I find embarrassing how you propose a much more ethnocentric interpretation of temples, hieroglyphs and basic principles of religions worldwide, without supporting them through primary sources. The word demon does not exist and I have explained why I use it, while for sure there is a word for god, which is netjer, as well as for king/pharaoh, which is Neswt.
@@baalbaalblacksheep191 do you imply then that magic and gods are NOT for "advanced people". That's pretty in line with certain colonial Western interpretations of African civilizations according to which magic was primitive, science and believes in one god was "civilized". Totally wrong view!
@@ritalucarelli8770 Assuming everything from our world view is pure naivety ! I have implied nothing.. that is solely your interpretation ! Ethnocentrism at work !
@@ritalucarelli8770 the concept of archaeology began in the 19th century.. Archaeologists still use those outdated terms and beliefs to describe what they see... I am not implying anything.. The terms "god/s" and "magic" are western labels for ritual practices, not mine ! I don't believe in either ! So who made you the final arbiter of what is right or wrong ? Another western imperialist view !
Thank you so much for this video. I regularly use Lucarelli's academic writings and the video really put so many things in perspective.
Outstanding symposium. Rita is terrific.
Stoked for this. I've watched her previous lectures on the subject
Shoot me a link to your favorite?
@@ChopsticksMcguffin Magic and Demonology in Ancient Egypt on Harvard Museum of the Near East channel is awesome. If anyone has any other videos of Rita's work please inform below. Thanks.
I sure enjoy Oi content, advertise more, awesome stuff, much better than traditional historical video production on tv.
Excellent discussion which reveals the ancient Egyptian religious similarity with so many other ancient cultures, practically shamanistic in origin. Amazing details disclosed! Thank you for posting this!
Not accurate. They have nothing to do with shamanism.
You really don't know anything about Egyptian religion with that asinine comment
You are correct. The blue lotus and other psychedelics have been found in Ancient Egyptian containers.
I grew up in Oklahoma. In Oklahoma there is a tradition of fishing for catfish using just your hands. What people do is stick their hand or foot into a catfishes hole and try to get the fish to bite. They then stick their hand into the gills of the fish and drag it out of their hole. I have seen catfish that were five feet long. There are stories of fish being even bigger than that. People have drowned trying to get these fish out of their holes. Basically the fish bites down and they can't get out of the fishes grip and they can't get the fish out of their hole. Catfish can be very scary indeed.
Omg! That’s what the cover of Marian Hills album is! I’m like why is she holding a giant golden fish?! WTF?! And that makes sense now why we call fake profiles ‘catfish’
@cillyhoney oh wow that's great to know, thanks!
I suddenly have a lot more respect for that demon.
Thats crazy
@@renegadegg9716 yeah I know.
Bonus points for Cure poster.
That explains why Hollyweird is always so quick to make a movie about monsters/demons terrifying or destroying people. They forgot to mention that they can also provide great protection 🙄.
Her explanation of the iconography depicting things like knives - we generally are very much guilty of trying to interpret things we see in the ancient world with very skewed ideas. Take Middle Kingdom statuary. They didn't display them publicly and they weren't used as honorifics. When depicting a human, statues were always placed in a temple or a tomb and used in a ritual or as a guardian that embodies a god. We use statues as pigeon perches in parks with fountains surrounding them. They used statues in religious rites as a living being who actively participated in the ritual.
Great lecture!
So much to discover on her lecture. I like her modern approach on the subject and the comparisons she provides with today's social demons we are living.
The amount of jargon in this presentation was mind-bending... For me, anyway.
I read this before watching and have yet to come across any “jargon”. I wonder what you meant
@@Plutonium.2 idk it was 3 years ago, but I watch a lot of academics give lectures and interviews in my free time and I just remember this being particularly hard to listen to. I had also tried to watch give presentations on a couple of other occasions prior to this, and likewise, ran into the same issue. Maybe you’re just smarter than me.
@@Plutonium.2 ^her
@@annascott3542 maybe!
fascinating ... she's mad cute too with the accent n all
Not sure why it would be necessary to characterize Apep as an anti-God. There are evil gods, are there not? Or gods who can be opponents: Tiamat, Humbaba, Nergal, etc.
Simply because Apep goes beyond Creation, it is anti-Creation and anti-gods. All gods have good and bad aspects, good and evil are inside Ma'at, it's the balance, but the snake is against Ma'at, it represents isfet
@@busimagen it does because in order to destroy Maat it needs to devour the gods
@@busimagen Anti-matter I can understand. Anti-god, in the context of so many evil gods, or gods capable of good and evil, makes no sense to me. An unnecessary term. I'm not sure that apep is a god at all, in which case the term anti-god still doesn't apply.
Ap/ep is not a deity as deities are beings who were worshipped. There are no cults or temples for Ap/ep. He is simply destruction personified, a way for ancient Egyptian to conceptualise order vs chaos, life vs nothingness.
4:00 bc everyone is a person w good and bad aspects. makes far more sense, really. -JC
Catfish is a near bottom feeder who lives in water caves
Azuzu protect humans against demons. According to Irving Finkelstein.
You mean Pazuzu
Can an academic please explain why pre-dynastic and old kingdom Egypt were more advanced in all of the sciences than the new kingdom ?
The most logical explanation in my mind would be bad education system coupled with natural disasters/wars wiping out older educated people which were the people with the high knowledge and thus knowledge gets lost
@@Sublimeoo that would make sense if we extend the timeline by about 12 000 years
There was no writing in the pre dynastic period so tell me how do you know anything about Egyptian science if they didn't even have anything such as writing
TRANSLATION: DEMON is a parasite
*29:10** masks. (and some other Rx not going thru rigorous controls to gr8 benefit).* or not, what ever you want. crazy. -JC
"We have many names" she says 😒 🤔
Can we just say everybody else is silly except for me. Thanks.
Jesus is King 3:16
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Fascinating, important content but you should change your terrible name, it's not the 19th century.
Hello, The Oriental Institute is currently undergoing the process of addressing issues surrounding our name, we are taking actions that will ultimately result in the renaming of the institution. As this process unfolds, we will continue to refer to our institution under the abbreviation, The OI.
@@ISAC_UChicago Good, glad to hear it, looking forward to the change actually taking place hopefully soon.
@@ISAC_UChicago why change what works?
Another ethnocentric view that is so far removed from the truth that it is embarrassing.. Temples were not places of worship and had nothing to do with religion. Temples were simply places of education and hieroglyphs are symbols with multiple layers of meaning depending on the position with other hieroglyphs, even if those hieroglyphs are on opposite walls in different rooms. The words demon and god do not exist, just like the word Pharaoh !
sounds like you have read The Temple in Man.. classic de Lubicz .. the ancient Egyptians were so far advanced that to suggest that they believed in magic and gods is ludicrous.
I find embarrassing how you propose a much more ethnocentric interpretation of temples, hieroglyphs and basic principles of religions worldwide, without supporting them through primary sources. The word demon does not exist and I have explained why I use it, while for sure there is a word for god, which is netjer, as well as for king/pharaoh, which is Neswt.
@@baalbaalblacksheep191 do you imply then that magic and gods are NOT for "advanced people". That's pretty in line with certain colonial Western interpretations of African civilizations according to which magic was primitive, science and believes in one god was "civilized". Totally wrong view!
@@ritalucarelli8770 Assuming everything from our world view is pure naivety ! I have implied nothing.. that is solely your interpretation ! Ethnocentrism at work !
@@ritalucarelli8770 the concept of archaeology began in the 19th century.. Archaeologists still use those outdated terms and beliefs to describe what they see... I am not implying anything.. The terms "god/s" and "magic" are western labels for ritual practices, not mine ! I don't believe in either !
So who made you the final arbiter of what is right or wrong ? Another western imperialist view !