I fly a P210 Silver Eagle out of SoCal. We can at least take advantage of the pressurized cabin and climb higher and take advantage of winds but the Bonanza definitely has the better cabin and looks cooler. Great machines!
Beautiful airplane sir! I too live in Dallas and have never been in a GA airplane before, but I love watching these aviation videos. In addition to the plane, you’re also a helicopter pilot! You’re living the dream man.
Another great video, thank you so much. I got sick of my GoPros overheating and switched to a DJI Action 5 camera. No more issues and better video quality.
I’m sorry - around 6:30 - you explained the torque / temp limit relationship. You said “ on a cool day you’re gonna temp limit before your torque limit “. That’s backwards. You said it correctly at the end , but backwards in the explanation. For anyone else - depending on elevation - turboprops will reach their torque limits before they reach their max ITT ( temp ). At sea level most PT-6 have a balance point around 95* F where they reach the torque/temp limits at almost the exact same point depending on the internal condition of the engine and the humidity of the day.
The 167kts he is talking about is indicated airspeed. The turbine Bonanza is definitely not slower than a normal Bonanza by any means @ cruise. 180kts true vs 200kts true below 10k feet. I’ve seen as high as 210kts true @14,5 in the turbine Bo.
When Cessna P210s are converted, they usually cost well over $700K to do so. I'm guessing this conversion was around that price range. I could be wrong though.
Only takes it up to 14k ft? I have a Turbo Arrow III and when on longer cross country flights I am taking it to 15 to 17K for better speed and fuel flow. .
You need to think of a turbine not like a turbo charged engine, but as a normally aspirated engine. The Allison used in this conversion is an older generation, to keep the weight and cost down compared to using a PT6 or a TPE331. It does not have a high "flat rating" so unlike newer engines, It runs out of steam pretty low. The aircraft with the conversion is certified to 25k Ft.
Likewise with my C182. I loose about 3kts TAS above 12,000 up to FL180, but my fuel burn goes way way down; I go from 3.5 hrs to ~5 hrs of fuel on board. Turbines will hold the same TAS, all the way up and the fuel burn drops significantly. My biggest concern flying that high is ice.
At the start I was a little surprised at the low performance numbers for a turbine with almost 2X the SHP. The turbine should weigh a lot less also, and no mention of weight/balance. I assume the performance is limited by airframe construction/limits? I don't remember hearing who did the conversion? That difference in weight could allow more fuel to be carried, something the conversion company may look at? There didn't seem to be any clear advantage to warrant the $$ of conversion. JMHO --gary
Huh, I noticed a very common issue amongst youtubers, the typical GoPro overheat. Wonder if there's any alternative that won't do this, especially since I have seen many people lose footage just because the dang camera got a little too hot for literally no reason.
That device to bring the princess long-nose out of the hanger is nothing short of preposterous. This huge upgrade of cost and performance for 40 knots of cruise? Is that right? Good luck with that…I’m glad it’s fun and I applaud staying low…an A36 at 250 sounds a little iffy.
Having been a C-130 crew chief, the turboprop is really a fascinating engine. Not the fastest, but it is about as indestructible as it can be, until it isn't. As fast as the turbine is running, if something gets ingested or if something comes loose, it goes very badly very quickly. Thanks for the plane ride.
Wow … beautiful plane and the story he’s talking about the performance and what the plane can do ….wow… I’m not a pilot but have been getting the bug of learning…. I’m 62 years old … is that too old? I’m in good health…. Avis motorcycle rider almost all my life… anyway if you’re in the Reno Nevada area would love to take a spin in that plane… it’s beautiful..
It's the only way to get some fresh air in the cabin while taxiing, because the only door is on the right and there's no windows to open. The other systems all require the plane to be moving at speed to work. If you look up some other bonanza videos you'll see it's standard procedure.
Great airplane. Go high- go fast. PLEASE clean up the audio. Wind noise was very distracting and took away from the video. Agree with comment on doing clearing turns.
Why in the world do you own a turbine Bonanza if you’re not utilizing its performance capabilities??? 14k altitude is crazy with that engine…absolute wasteful use of performance at incredibly high fuel burn.
The Bonanza is a blast. Not so the wind noises distracting the video. No sound if starting the engine, barely understand something. Thats bad…sorry to say that. 😊
This guy. If you’re making any amount of torque the air isn’t pushing the prop. Really otta take it higher because it doesn’t “essentially” have more performance, it has much more performance.
TOT is not "total temperature" btw. TOT is "turbine outlet temperature". I would assume you know that, especially if you're flying turbine helis. I just heard you say "total temperature", not trying to be Mr I know more than you.
I figured someone would catch the joke. A kid once said I had “reverse thrusters” and I thought it was funny. I explained beta after landing but the audio had already cut out.
This is a conversion, not a factory install on the engine. With turbine conversions, the FAA mandates that the top of the green arc becomes the aircraft's Red line velocity since a lot of the certification testing for a turboprop was not done. There is no Yellow arc on this airspeed indicator. So at lower altitudes, the piston engine can indicate a faster velocity.
I have a couple thousand hours in 36TC airplanes. Climb 130KTAS (for cooling) 600-1000 ft/min (depending on load) 31gph. plan 170ktas in cruise w/o oxygen 180ktas at cannual altitudes, 190ktas at mask altitudes18-20gph, descent is 500ft/min at cruise power which usually leaves me around 180 IAS (I believe is above the turbine Bonanzas Vne). The turbine Bonanza is likely riding Vne even in cruise so the only place the piston will actually be faster is in a descent while in smooth air.
The turbine bonanza has a red line at the same speed as piston A36's start of the yellow arc. So down low the A36 can probably do greater than 167 knts indicated airspeed, especially in a decent.
It makes no sense to do this conversion. The V-speeds don't change, so you go from burning 15gph to 40gph. Yes, it'll climb much faster, but for what? You just spent $750k to get very little. I'd just find the cheapest PC-12 and enjoy pressurized comfort up in the flight levels while doing over 300kt.
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Stay low and burn $$$$$$$$$$ fuel or go high and pick up ice in the clouds. Despite the turbine engine, it is a very limited aircraft. “Reverse thrusters” huh? This is an accident report waiting to happen.
I work on a few of the tradewinds (now Northpoint/Soloy) converted A36’s. With the 5 blade MT propellers, they are a rocket!
I fly a P210 Silver Eagle out of SoCal. We can at least take advantage of the pressurized cabin and climb higher and take advantage of winds but the Bonanza definitely has the better cabin and looks cooler. Great machines!
Good for you, ignore the haters.
Great! Love you asking questions and commenting - leading the conversation! 😊
Happy for you enjoy your plane
Beautiful airplane sir! I too live in Dallas and have never been in a GA airplane before, but I love watching these aviation videos. In addition to the plane, you’re also a helicopter pilot! You’re living the dream man.
Spent many years flying in Dallas airspace. Moving there from out of state, the 1st thing was stepping up from 172s to 182s or better.
Another great video, thank you so much. I got sick of my GoPros overheating and switched to a DJI Action 5 camera. No more issues and better video quality.
Good job with this one!!
I’m sorry - around 6:30 - you explained the torque / temp limit relationship. You said “ on a cool day you’re gonna temp limit before your torque limit “. That’s backwards. You said it correctly at the end , but backwards in the explanation.
For anyone else - depending on elevation - turboprops will reach their torque limits before they reach their max ITT ( temp ). At sea level most PT-6 have a balance point around 95* F where they reach the torque/temp limits at almost the exact same point depending on the internal condition of the engine and the humidity of the day.
Best conversion ever
Great Video. Thanks for sharing.
Finally an aircraft that is built like a tank and the power to push it!
Wow , very nice airplane. Thx!
The 167kts he is talking about is indicated airspeed. The turbine Bonanza is definitely not slower than a normal Bonanza by any means @ cruise. 180kts true vs 200kts true below 10k feet. I’ve seen as high as 210kts true @14,5 in the turbine Bo.
Yeah I knew he stated that incorrectly....
Nothing like the sound of a turbine engine.
The Conversation is always so interesting.
Reverse Thrusters? It’s called Beta Mode and it reverses the prop angle to allow for quicker stopping power. Used in my KingAir all the time.
It was meant to funny. I flew with a kid that said I had “reverse thrusters”. I did end up explaining beta after landing but the audio had cut out.
Very cool - and great fun.
But, a bit of an expense for a non-pressurized aircraft.
And, bit of an extra fuel burn keeping a turbine at 14K or so.
I love his hat!!
I didn’t it was possible to install a turbine like that on a Bonanza. This opens a new road of possibilities for general Aviation !
When Cessna P210s are converted, they usually cost well over $700K to do so. I'm guessing this conversion was around that price range. I could be wrong though.
Cool plane!
Only takes it up to 14k ft? I have a Turbo Arrow III and when on longer cross country flights I am taking it to 15 to 17K for better speed and fuel flow. .
You need to think of a turbine not like a turbo charged engine, but as a normally aspirated engine. The Allison used in this conversion is an older generation, to keep the weight and cost down compared to using a PT6 or a TPE331. It does not have a high "flat rating" so unlike newer engines, It runs out of steam pretty low. The aircraft with the conversion is certified to 25k Ft.
Bet he doesn't have an instrument license, so limited to < FL180
@@cl65captain I was thinking that too but I would still be flying higher to be as efficient as I could with that motor.
Likewise with my C182. I loose about 3kts TAS above 12,000 up to FL180, but my fuel burn goes way way down; I go from 3.5 hrs to ~5 hrs of fuel on board. Turbines will hold the same TAS, all the way up and the fuel burn drops significantly. My biggest concern flying that high is ice.
@@cl65captainhe is instrument rated or at least says so about half way through.
"I like 69." Glad I wasn't drinking anything. It would have come out my nose.
At the start I was a little surprised at the low performance numbers for a turbine with almost 2X the SHP. The turbine should weigh a lot less also, and no mention of weight/balance. I assume the performance is limited by airframe construction/limits? I don't remember hearing who did the conversion? That difference in weight could allow more fuel to be carried, something the conversion company may look at? There didn't seem to be any clear advantage to warrant the $$ of conversion. JMHO --gary
Huh, I noticed a very common issue amongst youtubers, the typical GoPro overheat. Wonder if there's any alternative that won't do this, especially since I have seen many people lose footage just because the dang camera got a little too hot for literally no reason.
Does the prop turn counterclockwise? What an awesome airplane. Ignore the haters - It’s a great conversion and if you’re having fun……
nice ride thanks!
Awesome hot rod bird.
Why wouldn't you show engine start? A turbine winding up is one of the best sounds!
Watch till the end! It’s there :)
That device to bring the princess long-nose out of the hanger is nothing short of preposterous. This huge upgrade of cost and performance for 40 knots of cruise? Is that right? Good luck
with that…I’m glad it’s fun and I applaud staying low…an A36 at 250 sounds a little iffy.
Is that prop turning the other direction or is an optical illusion? Why Allison, and not a PT-6 ? No ice protection.
What is that apparatus for towing?!?!?! 😲
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Partial flaps the whole flight?
Good landing
Is this a Soloy conversion?
Saw one of these at ocf last week.
Having been a C-130 crew chief, the turboprop is really a fascinating engine. Not the fastest, but it is about as indestructible as it can be, until it isn't. As fast as the turbine is running, if something gets ingested or if something comes loose, it goes very badly very quickly. Thanks for the plane ride.
Wow … beautiful plane and the story he’s talking about the performance and what the plane can do ….wow… I’m not a pilot but have been getting the bug of learning…. I’m 62 years old … is that too old? I’m in good health…. Avis motorcycle rider almost all my life… anyway if you’re in the Reno Nevada area would love to take a spin in that plane… it’s beautiful..
never too late to learn of you're willing to put in the work!
Close the door already!!!!
What was the useful load?
Saw this airplane at Tyler!
Aftermarket air conditioning with all of that excess hp?
Absolutely can!
No big deal, but we share the same first and last name. And we are both pilots. So I knew this guy would be cool immediately.
Top of the red ark? What is VNE?
Vne on the trade winds turbine conversion Bonanza is 167kts indicated.
Go Pro's are becoming not very reliable. Great video.! Thanks..
Finally she shuts the door. Thank you.
It's the only way to get some fresh air in the cabin while taxiing, because the only door is on the right and there's no windows to open. The other systems all require the plane to be moving at speed to work. If you look up some other bonanza videos you'll see it's standard procedure.
standard procedure to keep it open for pilots.... sorry a women triggers you enough to cry here. Trash
I think I've seen you at KTKI!
Great airplane. Go high- go fast. PLEASE clean up the audio. Wind noise was very distracting and took away from the video. Agree with comment on doing clearing turns.
When I see this conversion, I always wonder, why Beech never took the fuselage of a B58P and did it themselves.
is Allison overseas engine?
No. Allison is a US company that sold the aero engine product lines to Rolls-Royce many years ago.
Why does the turbo Bonanza have a higher operating speed than this?
Very nice...
She's holding her door open
$1,000,000 engine and no a/c.
It’s a baby TBM
Amazing awesome expensive Beech! Nice hanger as well very jealous Veteran here.
Gotta do something about the wind noise.
Err nice check on the turn.
Why in the world do you own a turbine Bonanza if you’re not utilizing its performance capabilities??? 14k altitude is crazy with that engine…absolute wasteful use of performance at incredibly high fuel burn.
Because he wants it? And can afford it?
My TN36 Bonanza has performance measures as good as that at those altitudes at a fraction of the cost…again a wasteful use of a great airplane.
Have to say, I agree. Saying “I’m just a private pilot, I’m not in a rush” and having a turbine bonanza don’t really jive…
It’s all in what you want and how much money you have! And it’s cool as heck!
The reliability of the turbine engine vs piston is enough of a reason. Climb rate.
What does something like that cost to buy?!?!
Also, haters are lame! They are just jealous! I wish I had a beast like that! Congratulations my man!!! Awesome 👏🏻
Do an m350
My dream airplane. One day.
No gliders license at 14 ?
The Bonanza is a blast. Not so the wind noises distracting the video. No sound if starting the engine, barely understand something. Thats bad…sorry to say that. 😊
The startup is at the end
This guy. If you’re making any amount of torque the air isn’t pushing the prop. Really otta take it higher because it doesn’t “essentially” have more performance, it has much more performance.
Not much prop clearance
You skipped the turbine startup best part.
It’s at the end! Check it out!
TOT is not "total temperature" btw.
TOT is "turbine outlet temperature". I would assume you know that, especially if you're flying turbine helis. I just heard you say "total temperature", not trying to be Mr I know more than you.
Reverse "thrusters" ?? - LOL
I figured someone would catch the joke. A kid once said I had “reverse thrusters” and I thought it was funny. I explained beta after landing but the audio had already cut out.
Because why the hell not?
A normal A36TC is faster down low? That doesn’t sound right…
This is a conversion, not a factory install on the engine. With turbine conversions, the FAA mandates that the top of the green arc becomes the aircraft's Red line velocity since a lot of the certification testing for a turboprop was not done. There is no Yellow arc on this airspeed indicator. So at lower altitudes, the piston engine can indicate a faster velocity.
I have a couple thousand hours in 36TC airplanes. Climb 130KTAS (for cooling) 600-1000 ft/min (depending on load) 31gph. plan 170ktas in cruise w/o oxygen 180ktas at cannual altitudes, 190ktas at mask altitudes18-20gph, descent is 500ft/min at cruise power which usually leaves me around 180 IAS (I believe is above the turbine Bonanzas Vne). The turbine Bonanza is likely riding Vne even in cruise so the only place the piston will actually be faster is in a descent while in smooth air.
The turbine bonanza has a red line at the same speed as piston A36's start of the yellow arc. So down low the A36 can probably do greater than 167 knts indicated airspeed, especially in a decent.
If you own airplane outright you dont need insurance...I never insure my airplanes....Waste of money
It makes no sense to do this conversion. The V-speeds don't change, so you go from burning 15gph to 40gph. Yes, it'll climb much faster, but for what? You just spent $750k to get very little. I'd just find the cheapest PC-12 and enjoy pressurized comfort up in the flight levels while doing over 300kt.
Oh wow, don't need to check the mags on a turbine lol.
👍✅ Tks👏
Are we looking at two different airplanes, I didn't see TKS
This guy is 28 what the heck does he do for a living?
nice video
Clearing turns b4 maneuvers, kids
Gear up after you cant land on runway in front of you....
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Rotating at sixty nine, lol
All it takes to learn to fly a turbine is money, lots of money. WAY easier to operate than piston.
Spoil up instead of spool up? Is this an inside joke?
Nervous. Probably his first video
Not taking a look under the hood, not beginning with start up...thumbs DOWN. Too bad...
Stay low and burn $$$$$$$$$$ fuel or go high and pick up ice in the clouds. Despite the turbine engine, it is a very limited aircraft. “Reverse thrusters” huh? This is an accident report waiting to happen.
I rotate at 69 as well 😂my v1