Machinist Blocks Attachment Tip

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  • @ROBRENZ
    @ROBRENZ 7 років тому +18

    That is a most excellent tip Carl/Chuck! A very easy and inexpensive way to make the cheap Asian blocks almost as versatile as mine.
    ATB, Robin

    • @johncrea9395
      @johncrea9395 3 роки тому +2

      Robin
      Another way is to pickup some 3/8 to 1/4 thread adapters, and use 1/4in machine screws/all-thread. Quick and easy and requires no machining to be able to fasten those import 1-2-3 blocks together.
      John

    • @FinnMcRiangabra
      @FinnMcRiangabra 7 місяців тому

      I challenge you to make a set of 1-2-3 blocks that will accept one tapped hole to any other tapped hole without lead difference issues.*
      It is factually impossible. In the best, ideal, case you pre-load the two internally threaded parts of the joint, match drill and tap them, keep the same clamp load between those two pieces, then install the externally threaded (bolt) component. There are still statically indeterminate conditions.
      That is not the intended use of 1-2-3 blocks that anyone ever told me. A 1-2-3 block primarily is supposed to be within 0.0002" of flatness (not by a specification that I could find, but general consensus) between the faces.
      I am very interested to learn if there is any standard of face flatness vs the tapped holes that are often found in 1-2-3 blocks, because I don't know of any.
      But ensuring the repeatability of screw thread connections between blocks would require match-drilling / match-tapping while the blocks were clamped at a specified preload (assuming a standard externally threaded fastener material).
      * It would be a surprise for one tapped hole (or nut) to have a thread profile that exactly matches another tapped hole profile while under the desired preload.

  • @TheNuggetshooter
    @TheNuggetshooter 6 років тому +2

    That is great - so many people are frustrated by being unable to connect them at right angles. Thanks for sharing

  • @johnstrange6799
    @johnstrange6799 7 років тому +1

    Hats off to who came up with that idea. Thanks for sharing it.

  • @RRINTHESHOP
    @RRINTHESHOP 7 років тому +2

    Thumbs up to you and Karl. Great idea. Thank you for sharing.

  • @georgestone9915
    @georgestone9915 7 років тому +3

    I have a difficult time getting out of my recliner, watching too many great videos. Thanks for another one

  • @larrysperling8801
    @larrysperling8801 7 років тому +1

    very clever trick chuck. its one of those "why didn't i ever think of that" moments. thanks for sharing

  • @bearsrodshop7067
    @bearsrodshop7067 2 роки тому

    Thanks to you Chuck, you led me to other great creators that helped me learn the correct way and ease of joining the 1-2-3 blocks. I was given a pair of Brown & Sharp blocks, and your tio was awesome.Bear

  • @natevanbynen6595
    @natevanbynen6595 7 років тому +3

    Quick, easy and simple!!! My kind of solution! Thank you for sharing

  • @bendavanza
    @bendavanza 7 років тому +4

    How about using a thread bushing to go from the 3/8-16 to 1/4-20? Then you could use 1/4 screws that should pass through the block holes. They are commonly used for camera threads but could be easily made in the shop as well.

    • @rok1475
      @rok1475 5 років тому +1

      bendavanza there is no simple solution that can’t be turned into more complicated one...

  • @leopoirier1137
    @leopoirier1137 7 років тому +1

    Great tip! Always enjoy your videos.

  • @petermenningen338
    @petermenningen338 7 років тому +3

    Very good Is easy to make and easy to use. I've found out that the holes in the blocks are close to the root diameter of the thread used and the probably reason for the size difference is growth in heat treatment.

  • @AmateurRedneckWorkshop
    @AmateurRedneckWorkshop 7 років тому +1

    I like both easy and cheap. Great tip there Chuck.

  • @carabela125
    @carabela125 7 років тому +1

    Thanks Chuck, good tip. Better than what I usually see: double-stick tape holding blocks together :-)

  • @ChrisB257
    @ChrisB257 7 років тому +1

    Great tip Chuck. Seems so easy once shown!

  • @Tools4Machines
    @Tools4Machines 7 років тому +5

    Very cool, Chuck. Be sure to thank Carl for me!
    -- Cheers, Gary

  • @robinward3003
    @robinward3003 2 роки тому

    I'm a retired tool & die maker, and have never had the need to bolt my blocks together, however, your idea, using allen bolts looks like it works great.

  • @barrygerbracht5077
    @barrygerbracht5077 7 років тому +5

    The Renzeti blocks are definitely cool, but hardly a diy project for most of us. I like your solution. Irrespective of talent and skill limitations, you need $1000's if not $10,000's of equipment to make a proper set of his blocks to 0.0002" tolerance. Your (Carls) solution works with a drill press and a tap and a $30 set of import blocks.

  • @BundyBearsShed
    @BundyBearsShed 7 років тому +1

    Great little idea Chuck, I might have a play with that myself.

  • @mikemarriam
    @mikemarriam 7 років тому +1

    Great tip. One more concept I can add to my meager collection.

  • @oxtoolco
    @oxtoolco 7 років тому +18

    Nicely done Carl......I mean Chuck. Make the rods 7/8 long with a single tapped hole and they will work in any orientation. Slotted screws? Really? Did you borrow them off your Weber barbecue for the video? Best, Tom

    • @dhamma58
      @dhamma58 7 років тому +2

      pretty sure he raided some electric boxes, not that purty bbq....

    • @TheAyrCaveShop
      @TheAyrCaveShop 3 роки тому

      Friends can be brutal...Lol Great tip I'm making a set

  • @marcelf21953
    @marcelf21953 7 років тому +2

    I think I would put a screwdriver slot on end of the threaded pin in line with the holes. This would help with visual and/or a way to align with the machine screw.

    • @outsidescrewball
      @outsidescrewball  7 років тому +1

      great comment and idea....thanks for watching and the feedback, I was thinking to add a taper on the front of the screw, but your idea is simple smart

    • @TheAyrCaveShop
      @TheAyrCaveShop 3 роки тому

      I'm making a set right now and adding the screw slot. Great idea Thanks...

  • @TraditionalToolworks
    @TraditionalToolworks 7 років тому +2

    Another option is an angle plate. :-) Good measuring tools are not cheap, for certain, and the better ones like the Moore Tools and Mitsutoyo do allow bolting together (11 hole, not 23 hole). I have often wonder though, how often I would need to use bolted together 1-2-3 blocks if I can use an angle plate, which I have several of? Always good to have alternatives.

  • @chrisstephens6673
    @chrisstephens6673 7 років тому +2

    Or, you can drill out the plain holes in one of the blocks with a 3/8"/10mm solid carbide end mill. They are hard but carbide is harder and you only have to do one, unless you want to join more than two together. But, on thinking about it your way is less dramatic.

  • @MrPragmaticLee
    @MrPragmaticLee 7 років тому +1

    Very cool idea - thanks for sharing.

  • @rok1475
    @rok1475 5 років тому +2

    If those holes are useless for connecting blocks then what they are for? Does anyone know?

  • @eareeyesee3290
    @eareeyesee3290 4 роки тому +2

    Excellent idea and tip! I will be doing this. I even like the real world human aspect of this video. "I wasn't ready for that" and "G dammit"

  • @jonanderson813
    @jonanderson813 7 років тому

    I have just unpacked my 123 blocks and also discovered the problem you highlighted. Thanks very much for the tip, I'll be having a go at the pins this week end. Still if someone was up to making some Renzetti blocks, I'd be interested in funding the cause..

  • @johnmcdonnell6109
    @johnmcdonnell6109 7 років тому +1

    Great tip Chuck! Thanks!

  • @billybong10
    @billybong10 4 роки тому +1

    this is a cool way to get around the problem.. but the problem is with the Chinese blocks.. the unthreaded holes are supposed to be clearance holes, i think the fix could also be to drill out the undersized unthreaded holes on the block.

  • @pierresgarage2687
    @pierresgarage2687 7 років тому +1

    Nice solution, faster than making a new fancy set of blocks... ;)

  • @anzaal
    @anzaal 4 роки тому

    Seems to me that you could chuck your bolt into a drill and with a file one could remove enough thread from the allen bolt from the head down to a point that would enable the head to spin and not bind in the top block. Not sure if they may already sell allen bolts with a smooth shank so as not to bind ?

  • @doucheus
    @doucheus 3 роки тому +1

    Are the pins pre-drilled and pre-threaded or did you do that yourself? I don't have the tooling to thread them. Thanks and cool idea.

    • @outsidescrewball
      @outsidescrewball  3 роки тому +1

      thanks for viewing, I did the drilling and threading...

  • @carlkulyk366
    @carlkulyk366 2 роки тому

    Another very useful tip. Thank you.

  • @elchuco00
    @elchuco00 6 років тому +1

    GREAT TIP!! THANK YOU MY FRIEND!!

  • @bigbob1699
    @bigbob1699 4 роки тому +2

    Always better to make your own to fit your own job and needs .

  • @ramonching7772
    @ramonching7772 4 роки тому +2

    👍👍👍
    However the reason for having a 3/8-16 tapped hole remain unanswered.
    Can somebody provide some info?

    • @TheAyrCaveShop
      @TheAyrCaveShop 3 роки тому

      I've been scratching my head on that one too

    • @ramonching7772
      @ramonching7772 3 роки тому

      @@TheAyrCaveShop Just recently. Taking hint from this post. I was able to use the threaded hole to clamp an odd shaped part to a 123 block. Then attach the assembly to magnet chuck.
      It was a great observation on the part of the uploader.

  • @johncrea9395
    @johncrea9395 3 роки тому

    Chuck
    You know they make 3/8 to 1/4 thread adapters (common in the photo world) that would let you do the same thing.
    Also, the non-threaded holes on the import 1-2-3 blocks typically is 9mm, so grab some 9mm dowel pins and use those for alinement when ganging up 1-2-3 blocks
    John

    • @outsidescrewball
      @outsidescrewball  3 роки тому

      Hello John,...thanks for viewing and your comment/input with some good info...

  • @chucktipton9596
    @chucktipton9596 7 років тому +1

    Great tip Chuck, Thanks

  • @bcbloc02
    @bcbloc02 7 років тому +2

    Good tip! Now all I need is a set of 1-2-3 blocks! lol

  • @michaelfiller3452
    @michaelfiller3452 7 років тому +2

    Thanks! Another great idea!

  • @MorrowSind
    @MorrowSind 3 роки тому +1

    Cool stuff! Thanks for the tip. :)

  • @80Ragincajun
    @80Ragincajun 2 роки тому

    My set of 11-hole blocks. has bigger blank holes, the the threaded. i paid a little more. But it makes things some simpler

  • @das250250
    @das250250 5 років тому +1

    Do you have the links for those guys making the blocks ? Ty

  • @randomgrinn
    @randomgrinn Місяць тому

    And where do these pins come from?

  • @marvincarvin1846
    @marvincarvin1846 7 років тому +2

    Purty cool! Who says you can't teach an Old Fart new tricks? errr... I mean Old Dog. . . .

  • @georgestuartvail3960
    @georgestuartvail3960 8 місяців тому

    Nice idea. I might cut a screwdriver slot in the end of my "nut" pin for alignment during assembly.

    • @outsidescrewball
      @outsidescrewball  8 місяців тому

      George...I like the slot idea.....thanks for viewing...

  • @PhilsProjects
    @PhilsProjects 7 років тому +1

    Cool trick Chuck, thanks

  • @sharkrivermachine
    @sharkrivermachine 7 років тому +1

    Love it, now I have another project to do.

  • @SolidRockMachineShopInc
    @SolidRockMachineShopInc 7 років тому +1

    Nice tip chuck!
    Steve

  • @terrycannon570
    @terrycannon570 Рік тому

    Love it . Thanks Chuck. Harold is right about you.

  • @claywells662
    @claywells662 2 роки тому

    Thanks, simple and I needed this.

  • @jeffmoss26
    @jeffmoss26 7 років тому +1

    good stuff chuck!

  • @dingoduh
    @dingoduh 4 роки тому +1

    Excellent. Pragmatic. Achievable. Thx.

  • @skiptracer8703
    @skiptracer8703 7 років тому +1

    thanks chuck cool idea. jim

  • @chuirios365
    @chuirios365 7 років тому +1

    Awesome buddy!

  • @leoorockoo
    @leoorockoo 7 років тому +1

    Good tip...thanks.

  • @krazziee2000
    @krazziee2000 7 років тому +1

    nice ,, thanks for the tip ..

  • @TheMiniMachineShop
    @TheMiniMachineShop 3 роки тому

    Just made a set thanks Chuck!!

  • @horkinyorkin
    @horkinyorkin 7 років тому +1

    thank you for this will be using it soon.

  • @robertkutz
    @robertkutz 7 років тому +1

    nice tip.

  • @Orcinus24x5
    @Orcinus24x5 3 роки тому

    Or you could just buy 11-hole blocks for the same price as the 23 hole blocks to begin with that actually are designed to bolt together.

  • @genewhite4141
    @genewhite4141 10 місяців тому

    I like your design! I purchased Taylor Tool 123 Block Hwd Kit. SAVE YOUR MONEY! It such a royal pain to assemble. I so wanted it to work, but NO BUENO!

    • @outsidescrewball
      @outsidescrewball  10 місяців тому

      thanks for viewing and your supportive comment, not familiar with the TT123 kit, I will look at it...

  • @axa.axa.
    @axa.axa. 3 роки тому

    why not just bore out alternating holes on different blocks so you can simply bolt them together as needed

  • @beetlejuice4693
    @beetlejuice4693 3 роки тому

    I am making a set tomorrow for my new surburban tools blocks

    • @outsidescrewball
      @outsidescrewball  3 роки тому

      thanks for viewing and your comment...good luck with the build

  • @RyanWeishalla
    @RyanWeishalla 7 років тому

    Elegant.

  • @mikenixon9164
    @mikenixon9164 7 років тому +2

    Thanks Chuck .

  • @shadowdog500
    @shadowdog500 7 років тому

    I use these photo tripod thread converters from Amazon. 3/8" outside thread 1/4" inside thread www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OKZVXFC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Chris

    • @almeyer405
      @almeyer405 7 років тому

      I like this idea. do you drill out one set for clearance holes?

    • @shadowdog500
      @shadowdog500 7 років тому

      No, I can't because the blocks are hardened. I just use a long 1/4'-20 bolt. The other thing I thought Id mention is that the holes don't always line up. If you place a three hole side against another three hole side everything lines up fine, but if you try to line up a three hole side with the holes on a 5 hole row the spacing is different. For those I use a long 1/4" bolt with a nut in the other side. Chris

  • @mlefe09
    @mlefe09 8 місяців тому

    Nice!

  • @rsitch1
    @rsitch1 2 роки тому

    Great !!! Bob

  • @63256325N
    @63256325N 7 років тому

    Guess you haven't seen Tom Lipton's solution to that problem. Thanks for the video.

    • @14768
      @14768 4 роки тому

      Guess you haven't watched the end of the video where he literally talks about Tom Lipton's solution to that problem. Dumbass.

  • @ronpeck3226
    @ronpeck3226 7 років тому

    Thanks Chuck

  • @joeszabo4237
    @joeszabo4237 2 роки тому

    Don't sell yourself short, I'm sure you could make them also. Cool idea and vid!!

  • @robertfontaine3650
    @robertfontaine3650 Рік тому

    Nice solution with a matched set. Generic solution.

  • @The_Joker_
    @The_Joker_ 3 роки тому

    “Double nut” 🤨

  • @andymandyandsheba4571
    @andymandyandsheba4571 7 років тому

    enjoyed

  • @nyccnc
    @nyccnc 7 років тому

    Slick!!!!

  • @nathanielharms9931
    @nathanielharms9931 5 років тому

    Standard operating procedure

  • @robertbutler8004
    @robertbutler8004 3 роки тому

    Thank you very much but we all don't have 123 blocks at all!!!

  • @CompEdgeX2013
    @CompEdgeX2013 7 років тому +3

    Ha, hate it when someone presents an easy solution and I didnt come up with it....but I'm never too old to learn!! Copying! ;-)

  • @railgap
    @railgap 4 роки тому +2

    Or, you could, you know, buy high quality 1-2-3 blocks instead of cheap Chinese junk, just a wacky idea out of left field.

  • @davestrong6472
    @davestrong6472 7 років тому +1

    I need to get a life Chuck

  • @DawgPro
    @DawgPro 5 місяців тому

    WoW! That because your 1-2-3 block are the garbage model... sorrey! In real blocks, the holes that are not threaded are of the outer diameter of the bolt so it slides through. Watch this clip and the sun will light up. 😁
    ua-cam.com/video/e2BpFdXlXNI/v-deo.htmlsi=DUedtkB6zE3RvK62

  • @RRINTHESHOP
    @RRINTHESHOP 7 років тому +1

    Thumbs up to you and Karl. Great idea. Thank you for sharing.

  • @beetlejuice4693
    @beetlejuice4693 3 роки тому

    I am making a set tomorrow for my new surburban tools blocks