Hahahaha yeah it really seems that way, I have the same bike, same color, mine is a 2003 no ABS, a very dynamic bike love it except 2 things maintenence and it gets absurdly hot when not running at moderate high speed, have to change oil to 15w 50 7100 until I saw just a little improvement but still tends TU spit cooland some times due to heat (I live in México and environment temperature sometimes is about 36 °C)
I always fill oil filters prior to fitting. Normally 3-4 times. However, when the fitment is horizontal (like the Viffer) I normally only do it twice. The paper cartridge absorbs the oil and there wont be any spillage when you fit it.
Interesting, I may give it a go. But TBH filter filling isn't something I ever saw until the last few years. I can see the benefits, but I doubt it makes very much of a difference.
@@SPANNERRASH i always have because i dont want aa few seconds of no oil when i start it. did it once and seemed one of my tensioners didnt like it and went out after the change butr that couldve just been good timing
Its funny that this popped up for me today. I'm storing one of these for a friend. I took it for a test ride yesterday and when I got back, I asked him if it has always been rough at or below 3k rp.
Brilliant video great commentary I thoroughly enjoyed your walk through guide I have been thinking about one of these bikes for the future great thank you
Thanks, I have been really enjoying the bike, and now the weather is improving I suspect I will put quite a few miles in this year. Definitely worth having on your list.
@@SPANNERRASH bought a 2006 model from a good friend of mine early this year. Already installed some raisers to get a better position with my 191cm. A windshield wit adjustable spoiler and a phone mount including a 12V to 5V USB C adapter.
I have never found them making such a difference. The bike started and idled well, just ran a little rough at low revs. Comments on forums seem to say this is quite common, with a lot of people saying, PAIR and starter valves. Maybe because the plugs are so dear people don't change them as a first stab at the issue. Especially as the service interval is 32k. Maybe the connection idea is a possibility.
I had run at least 5 tanks of 99 octane E5 along with Redex through it before the service. It had improved but the plugs and filter made the biggest difference.
I bought the blanking plates, and all of the kit to do a PAIR delete. But the more I looked into it the more it looks to be with standard pipes you should leave it alone. Now my bike has settled down from the service, and probably not having been used enough for a few years it runs lovely. The low speed running is fine, even down to 2.5 rpm in highish gears with great pick up when you open the throttle. So for now I do not think I will be dePAIRing, as I don't want to upset .
When you remove the fairing panels, there should also be 3x plastic push clips, 2 holding it to the plastic V piece, and 1 up under the nose cone. These are moved by pushing the middle section In and not by digging them out with a screwdriver as you have shown with the 2 bottom clips, as this will result in them breaking. Just for future reference.... cheers
Spanner Rash, I am considering, at least, a try on a 6th gen. I've never ridden one before. Started on an '81 CB650 in 1997. An '04 Yamaha V-Star 1100 classic, then my '76 CB750 SuperSport, now a '98 VFR and what you Brits call a 'Pan -European' ST1300.
Give it a try. I am really pleased with it in virtually every way. Riding position, performance, luggage capacity. Although I am trying bar risers, I am not sure they are necessary, but they are cheap. The only thing that is worthy of mention is the wind from the screen, but I am trying a double bubble. Overall I can't find any reason why I would move on from my sixth gen VTEC, but I probably will :)
Good day. Thanks for replying. When I picked up my '98 vfr , in 2015, it had Helibars already installed on it. A Corbin two-part seat (rider and pillion) was part of the sale, but it had the OEM seat installed when I arrived to buy the bike. There was a three LED volt meter attached in line with the battery. It is mounted in front of the right fork facing rearward, but sill visible while riding. The green LED stays lit when operating the bike normally, but amber comes on with starting and low rpms. Sometimes red and amber when starting. No pillion grab handles, of course. Those are hard to come across. I want to install a Shorai brand battery, but I have an AGM for it right now. I am curious as to which aftermarket exhaust I should install. I still have the OEM can on it since I bought it.@@SPANNERRASH
@@pdx650 Sounds like a great bike. I don't know if I would change the exhaust. I love the look of them on my bike. It is a good idea to keep your eye on the charging system, seems that no manufacturer coulld make reliable regulator and rectifiers at the turn of the last century.
I am considering the 'VFRness' R/R replacement I keep hearing about on vfrdiscussion and vfrworld forums. They seem to be a popular choice to go with. One of the previous owners did install a fan on top of the OEM R/R and is turned on when the ignition is on.@@SPANNERRASH
Their has been fake NGK and similar spark plugs on the market in recent years that in itself can cause rough running of the bike your replacement ones are obviously the real deal.
you can remove just the V in front and you can reach the oil filter from there , i recomand to use the HF204RC , no need to remove the left fairing ever. Great bike
I would have been sorely tempted to give that engine and airbox a birthday, it would have scrubbed up well,. you think those plugs are expensive, my yamaha OW02 R7 £200/£315,.!
I intend to have all of the fairings off and give it a good scrub long before it's birthday. I wanted to make the most of the good weather and get out and ride it. I must admit, I was a bit embarassed watching the video back :) You've put me off OWO2 ownership, plugs for my CB are £15 for a set!
@@SPANNERRASH Wait until you buy engine parts for an R7, (if you can source them) cost me £7000 for cylinder head work, and that was buying used parts, titanium valves "not much bigger than 6" nails" titanium rods and sleeveless pistons, and its engine out to remove rocker cover,. eyewatering expense,...
@@SPANNERRASH I have always experienced low RPM issues when Toyota VVTI systems need service. Low power, sluggish throttle response until above 3500 RPM.
Здравствуйте. Если не секрет, Ваш возраст? Ваш рост? Мне 64, рост 173, хочу поменять свой харлей девидсон стрит 750х на ВФР 800. Удобно ли будет? Спасибо!
@@ТагирШаймарданов-ь1э Мне 65 лет, рост около 183 см, хороший день. VFR800 - большой мотоцикл, но он далеко не такой большой в управлении, как мой Triumph Sprint 1050. Я думаю, что Honda вас устроит, надеюсь, это поможет!
I'm not convinced. I am sure that it would make it louder, but there isn't any real evidence of performance gains. The more I researched the PAIR delete , and got through the background noise of Internet chatter, the more I became convinced the only reason you would do this, would be if you changed the exhaust. If you haven't changed the exhaust you could end up making the original work less efficiently due to cooler exhaust gases. The Flapper and Snorkle seems to litterally be just a noise change, and it sounds fine as it is to me. I don't think the Honda engineers were doing things just for fun. I have seen too many bikes ruined by back yard tuning to make changes lightly. Not the common view, but I did buy a PAIR delete kit, and following research decided to leave it in the packageing, I should get it on eBay :)
Watching the plug change is a reminder that the people who design these motorcycles have probably never actually done any maintenance on motorcycles.
Seems like a reasonable assumption! :)
Hahahaha yeah it really seems that way, I have the same bike, same color, mine is a 2003 no ABS, a very dynamic bike love it except 2 things maintenence and it gets absurdly hot when not running at moderate high speed, have to change oil to 15w 50 7100 until I saw just a little improvement but still tends TU spit cooland some times due to heat (I live in México and environment temperature sometimes is about 36 °C)
I always fill oil filters prior to fitting. Normally 3-4 times. However, when the fitment is horizontal (like the Viffer) I normally only do it twice. The paper cartridge absorbs the oil and there wont be any spillage when you fit it.
Interesting, I may give it a go. But TBH filter filling isn't something I ever saw until the last few years. I can see the benefits, but I doubt it makes very much of a difference.
@@SPANNERRASH i always have because i dont want aa few seconds of no oil when i start it. did it once and seemed one of my tensioners didnt like it and went out after the change butr that couldve just been good timing
Its funny that this popped up for me today. I'm storing one of these for a friend. I took it for a test ride yesterday and when I got back, I asked him if it has always been rough at or below 3k rp.
It seems a common issue, but new plugs made a phenomenal difference to mine.
@SPANNERRASH Seems like something I could manage!
Brilliant video great commentary I thoroughly enjoyed your walk through guide I have been thinking about one of these bikes for the future great thank you
Thanks, I have been really enjoying the bike, and now the weather is improving I suspect I will put quite a few miles in this year. Definitely worth having on your list.
Yeah very good motorbikes I’ve got one
One of the best and most helpfull diy I have seen. Greetings from germany,
Thank you, really glad the video was useful for you. 😁
@@SPANNERRASH bought a 2006 model from a good friend of mine early this year. Already installed some raisers to get a better position with my 191cm. A windshield wit adjustable spoiler and a phone mount including a 12V to 5V USB C adapter.
New plugs do make a difference ,also the plug leads might have had a bad connection .
I have never found them making such a difference. The bike started and idled well, just ran a little rough at low revs. Comments on forums seem to say this is quite common, with a lot of people saying, PAIR and starter valves. Maybe because the plugs are so dear people don't change them as a first stab at the issue. Especially as the service interval is 32k. Maybe the connection idea is a possibility.
@@SPANNERRASH Maybe old fuel or dirty injectors , fill it with v power or bp ultimate, maybe a dose of injector cleaner additive,?
I had run at least 5 tanks of 99 octane E5 along with Redex through it before the service. It had improved but the plugs and filter made the biggest difference.
Do a PAIR delete. Really makes a huge difference in low speed/ low rpm riding. Great video
I bought the blanking plates, and all of the kit to do a PAIR delete. But the more I looked into it the more it looks to be with standard pipes you should leave it alone. Now my bike has settled down from the service, and probably not having been used enough for a few years it runs lovely. The low speed running is fine, even down to 2.5 rpm in highish gears with great pick up when you open the throttle. So for now I do not think I will be dePAIRing, as I don't want to upset .
Absolutely fantastic video
Thank you very much! I do hope it has been helpful for you.
When you remove the fairing panels, there should also be 3x plastic push clips, 2 holding it to the plastic V piece, and 1 up under the nose cone. These are moved by pushing the middle section In and not by digging them out with a screwdriver as you have shown with the 2 bottom clips, as this will result in them breaking. Just for future reference.... cheers
Thanks for sharing. I think the bottom clips have been replaced in the past. I hven't spotted the other 3, but I will look.
Spanner Rash, I am considering, at least, a try on a 6th gen. I've never ridden one before. Started on an '81 CB650 in 1997. An '04 Yamaha V-Star 1100 classic, then my '76 CB750 SuperSport, now a '98 VFR and what you Brits call a 'Pan -European' ST1300.
Give it a try. I am really pleased with it in virtually every way. Riding position, performance, luggage capacity. Although I am trying bar risers, I am not sure they are necessary, but they are cheap. The only thing that is worthy of mention is the wind from the screen, but I am trying a double bubble. Overall I can't find any reason why I would move on from my sixth gen VTEC, but I probably will :)
Good day. Thanks for replying. When I picked up my '98 vfr , in 2015, it had Helibars already installed on it. A Corbin two-part seat (rider and pillion) was part of the sale, but it had the OEM seat installed when I arrived to buy the bike. There was a three LED volt meter attached in line with the battery. It is mounted in front of the right fork facing rearward, but sill visible while riding. The green LED stays lit when operating the bike normally, but amber comes on with starting and low rpms. Sometimes red and amber when starting. No pillion grab handles, of course. Those are hard to come across. I want to install a Shorai brand battery, but I have an AGM for it right now. I am curious as to which aftermarket exhaust I should install. I still have the OEM can on it since I bought it.@@SPANNERRASH
@@pdx650 Sounds like a great bike. I don't know if I would change the exhaust. I love the look of them on my bike. It is a good idea to keep your eye on the charging system, seems that no manufacturer coulld make reliable regulator and rectifiers at the turn of the last century.
I am considering the 'VFRness' R/R replacement I keep hearing about on vfrdiscussion and vfrworld forums. They seem to be a popular choice to go with. One of the previous owners did install a fan on top of the OEM R/R and is turned on when the ignition is on.@@SPANNERRASH
Their has been fake NGK and similar spark plugs on the market in recent years that in itself can cause rough running of the bike your replacement ones are obviously the real deal.
Seems that way, I bought them from a "reputable dealer"! I think the ones I took out were the originals with 23k on them.
Go on Boss🙂
Cheers.
you can remove just the V in front and you can reach the oil filter from there , i recomand to use the HF204RC , no need to remove the left fairing ever. Great bike
Thanks for the tip!
I would have been sorely tempted to give that engine and airbox a birthday, it would have scrubbed up well,. you think those plugs are expensive, my yamaha OW02 R7 £200/£315,.!
I intend to have all of the fairings off and give it a good scrub long before it's birthday.
I wanted to make the most of the good weather and get out and ride it. I must admit, I was a bit embarassed watching the video back :) You've put me off OWO2 ownership, plugs for my CB are £15 for a set!
@@SPANNERRASH Wait until you buy engine parts for an R7, (if you can source them) cost me £7000 for cylinder head work, and that was buying used parts, titanium valves "not much bigger than 6" nails" titanium rods and sleeveless pistons, and its engine out to remove rocker cover,. eyewatering expense,...
Thanks for the warning! :) Maybe I will stick with older stuff.
The VVTI behaves a lot better with fresh oil. Especially if the valves are worn out.
Interesting. I was quite happy with the higher speed running, it was the low speed that was an issue.
@@SPANNERRASH I have always experienced low RPM issues when Toyota VVTI systems need service.
Low power, sluggish throttle response until above 3500 RPM.
Flipping’eck those plugs are a fiddle 😅
I have seen a lot worse. I still can't get over that the tank hinges up :)
@@SPANNERRASH Yamaha RD500 did the same , came with a cable to hook it up, it lifted right up out of the way to,.
I might jiust buy one just for that feature! :) :)
Здравствуйте. Если не секрет, Ваш возраст? Ваш рост? Мне 64, рост 173, хочу поменять свой харлей девидсон стрит 750х на ВФР 800. Удобно ли будет? Спасибо!
@@ТагирШаймарданов-ь1э Мне 65 лет, рост около 183 см, хороший день.
VFR800 - большой мотоцикл, но он далеко не такой большой в управлении, как мой Triumph Sprint 1050.
Я думаю, что Honda вас устроит, надеюсь, это поможет!
Delete PAIR and flapper.
Full Delkevic system.
I'm not convinced. I am sure that it would make it louder, but there isn't any real evidence of performance gains.
The more I researched the PAIR delete , and got through the background noise of Internet chatter, the more I became convinced the only reason you would do this, would be if you changed the exhaust. If you haven't changed the exhaust you could end up making the original work less efficiently due to cooler exhaust gases.
The Flapper and Snorkle seems to litterally be just a noise change, and it sounds fine as it is to me.
I don't think the Honda engineers were doing things just for fun. I have seen too many bikes ruined by back yard tuning to make changes lightly.
Not the common view, but I did buy a PAIR delete kit, and following research decided to leave it in the packageing, I should get it on eBay :)
@@SPANNERRASH On the 2002 vtec Honda engineers did do it for fun.
It was a complete test.
Sadly full exhaust needs the centre stand removed, I realised it's because the factory exhaust has the rubber stop for the stand.
I've got full system and still got centre stand.
@simwin1782 How did you figure out the rubber damper/stopper?
best improvement for these is quality
aftermarket suspension
That and decent tyres I think.