To be entirely clear: I am ok with big changes to things that don't fit the game design vision of the game. I only ask that they reduce the friction for players to adapt to these changes while we're in a highly turbulent phase.
@@SkMrFusion123 Agreed! And the argument that my build is not op because of deadeye, doesn't fly! This is suppose to not be like poe 1, and it shouldn't. Otherwise the game loses it's identity and becomes another clone
This also deters me to play other meta builds or play the game in general. Who's gonna guarantee GGG won't just decide to drop a patch next week and completely waste all my time I spent into making that character?
@@lifeloverNorris Your best bet is to find your own stuff, and hope a content creator doesn't also land on it. Anything popularized by content creators usually gets whacked with the nerf stick. That's just how it is, either they find the builds themselves, or some desperate viewer shows them the build and then they make it and publish it.
@@ruibarian5187 This. For the love of God people are treating the game as if it is in full release. EA is a chaotic period in a game lifecycle where many changes are made constantly. This might be nerfed toda, buffed tomorrow, deleted the next day after, get broken again on the third day, etc. Even regarding deadeyes, I'm sure they are on the chopping block as well. Give it time people.
I don't really find it nerfed. But maybe that's because i used cast on freeze on top of other skills thus the synergy still works on bosses and rares. The trash is obliterated by a mix of fire, ice and lightning. I spec heavely into frost (i'm pretty fan of crowd control) and i use solar orb and orb of storm to mutliply the ailments on mobs (and thus damages). I lean to add elemetal equilibrium (if it's still possible to annoint, dunno i'm still in campaign cruel. Otherwise, i'll saty with my focus on cold pen + cold exposure) in the equation as it will really shine with that kind of skill rotation. (NB: my God the text went completely wacked out of my phone :D).
Your frustration is SO ON POINT. I mean, if not this build, what else was Cast on Freeze for? 60 Spirit is CRAAAAZY expensive for what it is now. I'm really bummed man. I'm barely 2/3 through the campaign, and I thought I'd be smooth map clearing through the rest of it. This change makes it back to a slog... I'm so bummed, I'm a regular player and I feel exactly as you described. I do feel like my time was disrespected.
I was doing it in Blood Mage which made it even harder rofl. I don’t have the gold to respec anymore. I tried Lightning spells instead and spent all my gold and exalts on new gear and it was hilariously bad in comparison to the cold build I had before. I rerolled to warrior and I’ve been having fun actually.
@@JasielMartiniYeah it's pretty rough. I can't afford to respec and earning enough gold to do so with this build now being dead isnt going to be fun. Think I'll switch to warrior too. How have you found melee to be so far?
agreeing totally with everything you said here. I finally got CoF and could change to comet. respecced, used all my gold and it felt so good and I had fun playing again! ..to wake up to these news today makes me think "what do I do now" since I dont have the currency, nor gold or mats or gems, to fix another build/setup. meanwhile seeing other way more "op" builds still out there.
I was working on this process not as far so I'm still out of the woods. Hats off to you guys. I think en mass we were ALL going this direction that probably freaked them out some. Lol. A bunch of PoE1 players stress testing this to make it feel familiar. We only have one pair of glasses to look through.
@@floppy31145 Which is fine, but the issue is players were not aware of that until after the build was deleted leaving people hard stuck and either facing 10 hours of farming low content to afford a respec, or rerolling. This just feels super punishing and will likely be the end of POE2 for a large number of players unfortunately, EA or not this could have been handled much better for sure.
@@deinpapa3769 ? you know you build ur tree around what build you're playing right. if said build doesn't work out well anymore and you wish to swap, you also need to respec so of course this has everything to do with respec
I honestly still don't understand the high cost of respeccing. A FULL Passive Talent reset should at most cost 10-20k. I'll never understand GGG's gripe against being able to Easily change up a build when you feel like it and it has always been a major downside to PoE for me that wanting to just mess around and try different builds is such a colossal pain in the fucking ass for no real reason.
@@pascalromeijn8241 But replaying act 1-3 2 times to get a new build up is not replayable. The second time running through the acts was a pain already especially with no movement speed or skills and the walls you hit because the gear is so bad.
I myself as an old school gamer feel that every decision should be permanent. No respecs whatsoever. If you mess up your build, then reroll, or live with it. But I'm guessing I'm a minority with this opinion. If it's possible to respec, then it should be really expensive (maybe even more then now). Imo it should always be easier to reroll a character then to do a full respec.
@@Greamzih one of the biggest gripes, or at least very vocal, with Diablo was that you had to use 3rd party websites to figure shit out...well what in the ever living fuck do PoE cultists call this shit? I'm new to PoE, played less than 10h before PoE2 dropped in EA - and the game explains abso-fucking-lutely nothing. Any mistake I made, and as a new player, felt like I was being punished, on top of the feeling of being punished simply for playing beause GGGs definition of "challenging" comes really close to "tedious, chore, and just fuck you for playing" categories.
The huge problem is that people will stop playing or respec then it gets adjusted back and who's going to switch back to try. It's early access they don't need to do enormous nerfs with no thought. They could have nerfed it 10% then revisit it in a week. They keep devastating skills in 1 shot and it's going to force people out.
yeah to go from 20+ % per ailment to less than 1% on some mobs screams a lack of testing and foresight... definitely not a good look and these are completely worthless now. absolute overkill in my opinion
@@BaconSweats well, if they aren't gonna do it in EA, when do you think they should do such things? if anything, EA is *the* place and time to do such massive reworks. I would understand the massive critique if this was a regular league after the final release, but in EA? EA is not the final release version which you just happen to be able to play earlier, which is perfectly balanced and satisfies everyone. by buying yourself into early access, you basically agree to beta test the game and the balance and the interactions etc. I'd much rather have all this stuff happen now (and in the next 6+ months) then once POE2 goes 1.0 and the first real league releases.
@@Xebtria Early access is not beta testing. Beta testing is a job, volunteer work usually. Early access is a product, a paid privilege. I hope this helps you with your misunderstanding.
A full respec should 100% be offered with this kind of a change. I can't even afford to change my build into something that will work. This character is effectively bricked
try being creative in an EA game and not just copying the most meta OP streamer build. it's EA. roll a new character. games a few days old. you'll live.
yeaah the support gem on herald no longer applies elemental dmg boost to all spells but only to herald lightning itself, I can't play rn but im sure my build felt that change
Im not bothered. Its gonna be like this all during EA. The only thing I want them to do is make respecing free during EA so if a nerf slaps our build we can pivot.
@@SCVC123 Bro I'm still Level 23, working my way through Act 2. Was actually leveling an Ice Sorceress eager to check out the Cast on Freeze stuff. Now I can't. Cry more.
New player to POE here. Was finally able to get all the things I needed for the build and didn't realize it was already nerfed. So many resources wasted to finally get the build, and it was all for nothing. Taking a break from this game. It will take too much time to try and make up for all the resources I lost and make a new build. Sucks because I was having so much fun with the game.
Might I suggest trying out POE 1. It might not be for you and probably more complex than POE 2, but with an actual proper guide that's for 3.25, you should have a much straight forward and easier time. At least you shouldn't be expecting any kinds bullshit nerfs incoming.
bro i went from 21% per mob shocked to less than 1%, thats INSANE. i had been cooking up my own version of cast on shock with orb of storms consuming the shocks, the double shock and reduced duration of shock ascendancy point, and arc or ball lightning to apply the shocks. guess all that is out the window now
Same here man, I fully invested into shock chance in the tree and with my ascendancy as sorc, all that is useless now. Feels really great, thanks GGG. I don't have it in me to reroll and play the campaign again ... guess I'm quitting the game for now.
People keep mentioning respec points but the bigger issue I have is: what exactly is the point of the Trigger spells if the trigger rate so low that it's virtually unusable for anything The cast trigger spells were great because they were intuitive and they were fun: throwing spells and testing interactions for which spell bests functions as the trigger driver in different scenarios and which spells are good to trigger was a blast to experiment with. I personally came up with a Cast on Ignite Firestorm Stormweaver (so I can shock as well) for acts, which I transitioned into frost wall + comet, and then I hit endgame and started poking around to see what other people came up with. It was genuinely cool to see that my fireball + frostwall tech was also used by goratha. And now all of that is gone because... devs said so? For a build archetype that wasn't laddering at all? Just feelsbadman
Trigger spells let you "skip" the cast time, at the cost Spirit and at least one less link. As you said, there is no point into getting a trigger spell if it doesn't proc enough. I believe the easy fix could be just adding a line to the Cast on X: "the triggered spell does y% LESS damage", and that y could be as high as 40 or 50% and I'm sure builds would still benefit from having an auto cast spell. That said, I believe the underlying design problem is that the triggered SHOULDN'T be the most damaging spell, but some kind of support to the damage or to the build tech (for example, something that shocks or w/e).
I hate this nerf. Wasn't even doing the broken thing but now meta gems plain don't work. I was very excited for automation but in it's current state it's unplayable. I was just using cast on freeze to automate my profane ritual and contagion. Had to go back to self cast which feels bad man
My opinion is that, since it is clear that certain skills are way out of balance for what they want, and due to how expensive respec is, it ought to just be free at this point, at least daily or even hourly or something - because it IS early access. Get people to break their game quickly so they can address what they want, then worry about setting the expectation of respec. In the end, I think that saves time all around. just my 2cp. Also, I find it funny, based on forum posts, how many people do not know what they signed up for when they spent money just to be in this early access.
@@IsaacChoo88 I disagree, they can call it what they want, if they are making that big of a change to skills.... its still a beta. Just my view on it. I'm cool with them changing things, but not with changing things and leaving people high and dry when they nuke builds they were using.
Diablo doesn't nerf anymore. That was a big problem in the last season. It's important that they work on balancing in the EA. I wouldn't mind cheaper respec costs either.
Diablo nerfed the sorc about 1/3 off his entire capacity of damage. In the 5 day beta. Before anyone could reach lvl 25. The only thing that they didn't nerf recently was the spirtbullshit because was the only new character from the dlc. We are not even in the same dimensional string for what concern how bad D4 was and still is in gameplay mechanics
Welcome to the club. I was SRS autobomber. Went from really rough start to finally a cool build. Had it for about an hour, slept woke up nerfed. Not a dead build but it’s been a kick in the dick for sure.
I have read your comment over 4 or 5 years ago....deja vous !!!!! Yeah, my SRS got nerfed just as I was setting it up and tonight , in 8 more levels I would get comet , so I don't get to try it either haha
@@Vulgaels That´s not the problem, but having massive respec costs while changing/destroying playstyles every two days just discourages people to try anything at all.
@@Uelibertiga That's why you don't play the busted meta builds that every streamer adverstises. Play something no else does and I can guarantee you your build won't be nerfed. It's early access and people want to already abuse busted builds instead of having a balanced game on release where actual investments and creativity leads to payouts. I've had zero builds nerfed or killed in over 10+years of playing PoE1.
I was worried they'd nerf CoF Comet, but since the other big nerfs they did were 30% or 40% less damage, that's what I expected. I didn't expect "we murdered your archetype, so you need to respec 40 points and change all your gems and some gear" WITHOUT a free respec. Yikes.
I get GGG does not want to compromise their vision for PoE 2 and I can respect that. That being said I do think they need to give out respecs it not only helps the players try another build but also the theory crafters to find out other broken builds to spec into for testing. literally a win win.
@@presseplay Slow, souls like "arpg" built around dodge roll for surviving and not defense. Wanting to "feel your character" and not just having them a way to express a build. Basically the antithesis to ARPGs meanwhike D4 is coming out with a spec armory.
This has been my experience - Was super excited for the game, I have played a ton of POE 1. I played with friends during the campaign. Found a good cold staff and started playing a version of this build. I am at 84 hours in game, so I have been playing a TON because I was having heaps of fun. With this nerf it is going to cost me upwards of 500K to respec. I hadn't been saving gold and only have 5K. I just don't have the will power to farm enough gold for hours and hours- especially now my build can't even kill anything. I don't want to start all over again. Now I just have to stop playing all together, I guess. Now yes, get gud etc but at the end of the day video games should be fun, and now there is no joy in the game, or anything that makes me want to play. This is only my own personal experience and not to say the game isn't still fun for other people.
I’m on the same boat but thankfully 50 hours behind you, I might be able to respec but it will be costly. I’m considering starting a new character besides sorceress. CoF builds desperately need a free respec. IMO it wouldn’t hurt to make all respec for all characters free for a weekend maybe, it is EA after all and I’d love to expirement more if it wasn’t so costly
@@dirtydard4870 He is not, though. Gold costs rise exponentially the higher your character level is. The higher the character level, the more expensive every single point is. 500k is realistic at high lvl.
I think the problem wasn't that it was overpowered compared to Deadeye, but that Cast on X was what every caster build was getting funneled into. They possibly went overboard with it, but it seems like every endgame caster build was some variation of Cast on X.
even without them doing this, the respec costs is unacceptable(currently), it hinters new players and limits experimentation, it only really promotes build guides and playing the meta because you can't afford to respec and it creates an inherent fear of trying new things because if you mess up there is no way to get back from it, even more so since we can't respec in to another ascendancy
@Subtractem - To answer your question about what now? I was in my 50’s and had put so much effort in to the build and gambling and crafting and now I’m just looking at a game that isn’t fun. I literally just turned it off and I’ll probably come back some day. If they made it free to respec it would go a long way. To be honest I’m actually kind of glad they did this, I was far too invested haha. Now I can walk away and breathe.
Same on the situation, lv50, stuck in the middle now without any resource to respec, even they offer a full respec, I dont think I have enough support gem cut to actually make a usable build. Starting another char from scratch would probably take me another week, so bye for now I guess
I can see now why we don't get patches during seasons, except for big bug fixes. I saw how long even streamers took to put this build in a good shape and now it is simply dead. And as someone who hasn't played PoE 2 yet, it makes me kind of scared to get into it now, as this was one of the build I considered to play as it looked like a lot of fun.
Let the smooth brains do QA for free. I'll join the fun when it know tencent is keeping the game 1 way for at least a season. People really still don't get it. Yall working for free haha.
@@Capitan_Captain second time ive seen you post this. this is not a beta, beta is over. this is early access, which is a stage AFTER beta that weve all payed for. this should have been all worked out in the beta phase and apparently wasnt, thats what betas are for. this is a released product that they are changing and not compensating for the time and money invested. simple fix is free respecs at this point otherwise they arent respecting our investment into their released product.
@@justinmills2360 this is a beta test, get over it. What do you think were those 3 years on early access for baldurs gate 3? exactly as i said on another post. Even Jonathan said it already on more than one interview: they didnt call it a beta because early acces was a better marketing strategy, being both exactly the same. The fact that there are studios that abuse that concept just to abuse consumer ignorance is a different thing.
@@justinmills2360 also, have you even read the version of the game? we're at 0.1.0d, a complete software is released at 1.0.0 at least. We have a shit ton of iterations before the beta ends. Also, you're mixing the closed beta with the early acces, AKA open beta.
Yeah. Respec cost is insane esp for an Early Access. This nerf leaves a lot more questions than answers This build wasn't even OP. Builds are out there untouched with FAR faster map clear, FAR faster boss damage, and FAR better survivability. This was one of the few sorc builds that actually felt nice without having to by uniques that cost 30-50 exalted orbs each. No respec leaves a lot of people with 3 options: quit, wait a few months for the nerf parade to stop, or quite literally make an entirely new character. For the average player, only 1 of these options is feasilbe. Very disappointed in GGG because this to me shows they have no vision for the game's balance, and they didn't test these things out. What else would cast on freeze be used for? How did they not find this interaction if it's "too strong?" This feels like an open alpha not a Early access game at this point.
"Very disappointed in GGG because this to me shows they have no vision for the game's balance, and they didn't test these things out. " You're talking about an early access game 6 months away from release, for fucks sake. You people need to get a grip. GGG will probably see the respeccing outrage and offer some one time free respec or something like that in a matter of days. Calm the fuck down, jeez.
It's a beta y'know, what else did you expect? I also think the change was too extreme. But come on, we are literally less than a week into the beta and people cry like it's the end of the world.
@ 1. It’s not a beta it’s an early access. I wish people would stop trying to make excuses for GgG. 2. If they are going to kill a build then at least give us a respec
@Vezuls lmao, ok. I've been playing for almost 25 years and you know more than me. You can go and read what it is, and you can also ask another devs (like larian) why baldur's gate 3 was on early access for 3 years without delivering all the acts until the GAME LAUNCH maybe. Also, if you have a minimal knowledge about software, you should know that a version 0.1.0d isn't very close to a full fledged 1.0.0 version. Anything below 1.0.0 is a beta, and this is the open beta after the couple of closed betas that they did. You can use Google too, it isn't that hard.
theyre gunna need to start giving us a little somethin something every time they poof peoples 10's if not hundred hours of play into oblivion. people are gunna burn out on the "beta" testing REAL fast if they have to reroll characters or refarm another 500k gold on a broken build in act3c every time a patch comes out.
I think that they will be nerfing deadeye in a big way, but we haven't gotten it yet because it likely involves fundamental changes to deadeye/ranger. The fact tailwind works the way it does in poe2 is definitely baffling when compared to the rest of the classes. Don't think the deadeye isn't gonna get its day of reckoning!
Whether they fix this I think will determine for a lot of players whether they keep playing or not. The response is so overwhelmingly negative and if they don't roll it back, it's obvious they don't want the game to be fun for most of their playerbase and are totally fine with ruining fun mechanics to make the game hard. I hope they choose fun over bland difficulty.
Personally Ive stopped playing POE2. I think the game looks great. Boss fight are awesome, scenery is awesome but the game isnt anywhere near worth playing for 100s if not thousands of hours until its released. POE2 is atleast a year away from being ready for release. Its pretty unbalanced at the moment. I was playing a Lightning Sorc and feel like she has hit a wall. Ive not dropped items, or found NPC sellers with items that will allow her to progress. I spent 5 hrs trying to run Dreadnaught in order to level and get better items. POE2 just doesnt work that way. I wasnt having fun so started a new POE1 character to enjoy. Dont get me wrong, POE2 looks great but SSF is just way to RNG to invest time into.
I saw the patch, I tried a zone with it, and just sat there debating if I wanted to play on. I was going to use it to level up, go archmage but now wondering how nerfed archmage will be
@@panzerswineflu Opposite for me, logged in after sleeping, then wondered why Comet was not proccing. Gone to the page and saw the patch notes. I'm now wondering if I'll respec or just stop playing for the time being
@lordrald09 I had just got the spirit gem. Leveling has been so painful for me I've just wanted to get that build to feel good finally. I've had more fun on monk up to this point
Yeah I think I'm going to take a break. Was planning on gas grenade build then it got nerved. Switch to a monk and leveling into a meteor build on cast on freeze and it got nerfed. GGG telling me that I'm wasting my time. Not a fun feeling
WTF ... they completely killed my lightning build! Everyone said that lightning sorc was not viable and I was so happy that I proved them wrong, I just entered cruel and killed the act 3 endboss in the first try. I am using 'cast on shock' and for that, I have stacked as much shock as possible on the skill tree and with my ascendancy Now?? Every time I shock an enemy, I get 1% or maybe 2% on the cast on shock counter ... and it only triggers when the counter is at 100. Before this patch, I would get like 15% or 20% on the cast on shock counter for every shock. This has completely ruined my build and ALL the investment I made on the skill tree is completely useless now. I was having so much fun with the game and this build that people called 'unviable', well guess what? Now GGG have ACTUALLY made it not be viable. I guess we are all supposed to once again just copy meta builds from big streamers? Because we are being PUNISHED for trying our own things. Why tf are they doing this? I'm honestly considering quitting the game right now.
I understand this frustration but this is early access. This is how it goes: things are going to change wildly, nothing is safe, and you may have to start over. I play an archmage lightning stormweaver without cast on crit and I'm doing just fine, but if they nerfed archmage, I would just try another build.
To me, this was 100% expected to be nerfed. You have so many skills that can apply tiny ailments like 20 times per second, being able to trigger the strongest skills several times per second. This goes against all other archetypes, that are all slow, having to sacrifice single target dps for clear and vice versa, with dual spec etc. This is EA, and alot of things will change. GGG did however say they would offer a free respec to characters that are majorly affected by changes, so if people with Co[X]-builds didn't get a free respec, I would leave feedback and ask for a free respec.
We as a community saw what ruthless was in poe1 and said man....... this fucking sucks and GGG in their infinite wisdom said man. what if we just made the sequel everyone was looking forward too that game mode no one likes. where fun isnt allowed.
I agree with them goving everyone a respec. I think thats reasonable and wise. I also agree that these trigger builds needed a nerf, maybe not quite so heavy handed but they definitely needed to be toned down. It felt like every build coming out in the last 2 days have been either trigger on freeze, trigger on crit or trigger on minion death. I understand that build diversity is limited due to us not having as many toys but there was definitely a meta forming of cast on being head and shoulders above everything else.
No its need a heavy nerf because why the heavy attack that got punished with slow movement to have big dmg exist while you can just use this and spam that shit while dealing dmg more than slow heavy move and can reposition easily
@@itsallinthepast2944 Alright bootlicker, clearly you don't actually know what your talking about in your broken English. The build did not need a heavy nerf at all. It needed some number tuning. You don't go from strong to completely dead. Morons like you ruin the game for everybody. GGG can do no wrong in your eyes.
The nerfs werent due to the power, they were due to only needing you to mostly push a single button. Cant have that, didnt you hear that combo game play is the name of the game? The dead eyes all have to set up their gas clouds or lightning spikes and then detonate them with a different attack. 2 buttons! See?
Seems heavy handed. They are clearly watching certain players. At the end of the day, this community will find the ridiculous builds always. There are too many working parts to completely balance. It's better to have a bunch of really great builds and 1 or two broken builds than a bunch of crappy builds and a 1 or 2 broken builds. They will likely undo this nerf or rework it again. Also, respeciing is wayyyyyy harder than it was in PoE1 and I remember them saying they wanted it to be easier, especially in the early game. Currently, as you pointed out, it's hard af to respec more than a few points.
Same, the campaign is definitely fun if you have the right build, but the endgame is completely unapproachable for all but the most elite players who enjoy getting stomped on for fun. Hopefully by 1.0 (or before) it changes otherwise this is not for me and that’s okay.
@@robe4314 I was thinking this exactly. The builds they are nerfing are nearly perfectly balanced for end game. Every map I've played I get absolutely swarmed (tier 1) and since the nerf, I can't make it 5 feet into a map without getting spawn trapped. Keep in mind I've spent dozens of hours trying to find a character a like, just for it to get nerfed brutally.
@@SloRush dude they were far from "perfectly balanced". They were able to kill map bosses in like 2 seconds, and clear an entire screen of enemies with 1 cast. The only thing holding those builds back were the lower movement speed. If we had PoE 1 movement speed, they'd play exactly the same.
I think it's reasonable to feel that way if you had the expectation that early access was just "VIP only release" or something, which seems to be the view of a lot of the PoE community, but normally major gameplay changes including nerfs are expected when a game is early access. GGG clearly does not want PoE 2's endgame meta to be like PoE 1's and what I've heard over and over from the people using these builds is that they turned PoE 2 into PoE 1. Literally that's what people have been saying. This shouldn't have been unexpected!
You can gor for Frostwall - Fireballs, thats not too expensive. U can keep most of your cold and freeze build up note and go for crit for additional damage. The only bottlenecks are the unique gloves "Blueflame Bracers Goldcast Cuffs" (1 Ex in Trade) and maybe some Gems if you dont have the level 3 Support Gems and Level 13 Spell Gems. Then its basically a two button build. You cast your Frostwall and then you cast your Fireball into the walls (Works like spark with flamewall) Gem Setup: Fireball -> Scattershot -> Wildshards -> Unleash Frost Wall -> Icicle -> Spell Cascade Frost Bomb (single Target Damage) -> Fast Forward -> Strip Away -> Conc Effect For spirit i just use some QoL Auras: Blasphemy -> Hypothermia -> Magnified Effect (This Aura gives u auto curse to nearby enemies) Arctic Armour -> Clarity (makes ur mana bottle useless :) ) For the Passive Tree just delete all the "Energy" Notes and put them into crit or spell dmg Notes, thats it Have Fun :)
it killed THIS way of triggering. there are other ways to build these triggers. my incidental cast on ignite, on my fire blood mage, just a firestorm. feels almost exactly the same. the way people were playing it, is not viable. there are going to be other ways. there are also going to be many more things nerfed. i will say though, when changes like this are made, everyone should get a one time respec. i was and still am levelling a build that might use cast on x, its different though, ill find out when i get there. i think itll still work.
I am working full time, only have 2h max a day. Was happy to get to Act 4 in this time. And now I have to change everything without the time. Early access ok, but this game is lost for casual players.
I like that GGG has attempted to make this game challenging. Gone are the days that you can just throw your corpse at a boss until you beat it. You have to actually think about what you're doing. That said, in their effort to make a challenging game, they have instead made a clunky, tedious game. That is not a fun game to play. I agree 100% with what everyone else has said. This kind of change should come with a free respec. If you're in early access and making big adjustments to balance the game before release, then you need to make those changes accessible to your players. How will they know if the changes had the desired result if the player base isn't willing or able to test them? D4 had a rough start. The first 6 months were dreadful. But they learned and adjusted, and the game is playable and enjoyable now. POE1 is 11 years old and is still the reigning champ, IMO. POE2 is still in early access, so we should expect that they're going to make adjustments. This change is frustrating, but not unexpected. I just hope GGG can figure out their $@^! within a month or two rather than having the debacle that Blizzard had with D4. I really want to enjoy this game, but I'm not going to force it if GGG can't differentiate between challenging and clunky and tedious.
For me this nerf not only kills my build but also my char. I'm playing a bloodmage which already means that I wont be able to do a lot of different builds (CI, BM, Archmage and more) and combining that with all of the bugs my ascendancy has just doesn't leave a lot of room for build variety tbh. Don't really have much time cus of working schedule and this all is a little frustrating for someone like me.
It’s like the removal of trigger loop costing 90 spirit for Minion builds … we were already pushing 6-7 skill buttons but we got SRS loop removed even with the cost
I felt like a nerf like that should have been done during beta testing rather then EA. What did they feel about it then? I don't know anything about Alpha & Beta phases so maybe I am wrong. However, I feel the same I started an Infernalist because I did not have enough gold to respect my other minion witch now that I have saved up 200k (not finished with cruel act 3) I did respect my cast on ignite to turn back to minions and I am not sure of how strong they are. We have very few gems, items and therefor builds possibles this just feels like choices taken away.
They could have just nerfed the damage or nerfed the proc a bit, because it was broken. But they nerfed it by 500%... It is pretty cringe when you invest so much time and especially currency into these builds and gems that are now completely unusable. A character that could do everything in the game should not struggle going into a t5 map, deserved a nerf but they just deleted the gem.
I dont care for the nerfs... i care for the fact that now i have to spend another 40 hours to struggle my way thru the fucking obnoxiously long campaign. PS. ggg give free respecs
After a decade of trying to balance CoC in PoE1, I really have to question how and why any developer working on PoE2 thought it was a good idea to even have trigger gems in the game. They're inherently abusable. They're either incredible, or non-functional. Why would you put them in the game.
Cost me about 575,000 gold to fully respec my tree to archmage energy shield from this at level 75. Very upsetting but now I am unkillable with over 9000 energy shield.
I think the changes are depressing sure, but the worst thing is not giving us all free respecs. The amount of builds that are just bricked now is really gonna put people off. If we could redo our tree and experiment freely it would hit very different i think
I'm OK with them nerfing and buffing things often in EA. But they should ideally give at least a couple days head up, so we don't waste our time on a build relying on something that will get nerfed and/or make respeccing free while in EA. Or at least much cheaper towards endgame.
What does GGG want? They want players to suffer and feel very inconvenient. Cold spells are already weaker than lightning and fire, now they've just killed cold caster builds. On top of that, they didn't want reduce the respec cost so that people can try to fix their builds.
I don't know what you mean by cold is weaker I made a frost nova build with Cascade and Unleashed and it absolutely dominated act 1 best starter build I've made so far, can't wait to put some more hours into it
@@Nukerstyxler I'm sure I'll figure something out I'm very good at these types of games I've already looked at most of the skill tree and acendency I see plenty of ways to stack crit damage on Frost builds plus it has inherit CC I've already end game two other characters that everybody else says are trash more than likely it's just a skill issue and besides I'm using Frost Nova to freeze everything around me because I'm running Unleashed with Kaskade and then using Frost bomb to basically one shot everything so far I haven't run into a boss that I couldn't kill with four Frost bombs after Nova freezing them I forget what the support is on bomb but it allows you to have two of them with a 40% increase to cool down by the time I freeze them with Nova set two bombs on them and then freeze them again with Nova the bosses are pretty much stunned locked I have a fire sorceress that I am on cruelty act 3 and I'm still using Firebolt which is the very first basic skill you get from an item and I'm Wrecking the whole game with it pretty sure you just don't know how to stack damage properly and what support gems you're using
@gundamnit3594 I have two other characters that have completed T3 Maps I'm just better than you little buddy now you can pull your foot out of your mouth I'll give you permission here's a little background on me in every Diablo game from 2 to 4 I hold World Records I also hold a few Records On poe1 and I will hold a few records on poe2 I'm just in a whole nother League then you casuals not that it's really anything to brag about considering it's just basic math but considering how a lot of you guys are pretty dumb that puts me in the top 1% tile now go cry to grinding gear games about how it's too hard
with how cast on freeze worked, it was busted for sure, there's no point in having energy in the game if freezing 1 monster gets you to 100%, but they went too extreme, it should be around 15% per monster, so it procs fully only on packs of at least 8. Probably not going to respec cause freeze itself is still nice and can be used to help self cast comets
And i wasn't even following any Meta Cheeselord Sweaties Build that want to one Shot the whole Campaign in 3 Seconds lol. Just figuring out Spellcaster for myself. They are really Incompetent.
GGG pretty much took the piss on half the playerbase since many classes used these trigger gems and they were build defining and yes they were REALLY fun, the gems had so so many interactions that you could do, even the CoC was rly fun which now is like COMPLETELY and ABSOLUTELY nuked And btw...I've seen much more broken builds on twitch at some streamers , it's not like OMFG OMFG CoF sorc was completely OP , CoF wasnt even that good on bosses for example it was good for clearing. At this point with 45hrs played I`m like 60% ACT 3 cruel and my character is literally bricked, not even a full respec would help cause I have no items and I`d have to take other gems and I dont have jewelers orb since I invested everything into CoF to have 4 slots. This is donkey shit to say the least. If they dont revert the change they might just killed their EA and killed all the hype surrounding the game. It's very hard to bring people back if you`re pissing them off like this and pissing on their time. Anyways , there was so much cool stuff you could do with triggers and now it's all gone , poof
100% agree with you on this. I built my character from scratch into a cast on freeze comet and I had the same impression. It felt good to play and not OP at all. I wasn't one-shotting bosses. Not even close. I wasn't even wiping the screen when there were elites. It just felt good. And it seemed like there were natural places to expand the build. I don't know what killing the "cast on" gems is meant to do. If this is the build they are killing, it feels like anything I spec into now could get destroyed later. I keep seeing people deleting content; is that not what we are supposed to do? I thought we were supposed to find cool ways to make characters more powerful. I don't understand their design philosophy with this change. Before Early Access Jonathan said that they try to not nerf or mess with skills in the middle of leagues/early-access. So far I've only seen them nerf stuff and it feels really panicked and reactionary. I think they really, REALLY need to slow down on nerfs, because killing multiple builds in under a week with multiple hot-fixes and patches isn't the messaging they put out before. Even this change, to "cast on" gems. They had a post on twitter where they talked about "cast on" being too easy to trigger "with low level spells" which seemed more than fair. Instead they killed all "cast on" gems without real warning. Again, I don't know what to feel about this. I don't think they should get credit for PoE2 being different than PoE1. If what they mean by different is "no fun >:|" then I'm not sure I want to play this game. And that's kinda the message I'm getting. I'm sure there were broken builds out there using "cast on" stuff. But not giving respecs is pretty rough for people like me. I'm not even out of the cruel campaign acts yet and now I have to try and find a full respec or just reroll. And I don't even know if the next thing I find that's fun will also be nerfed into the ground. This sucks.
The Cast on Condition gems have been nothing but problematic, they were problematic in PoE, and it was no surprise that they would also cause more problems in PoE2. If GGG wanted less automation, then they needed to have never introduced these skill gems. Because Players will always look for ways to press as little as possible. Pressing one button to start the engine is the dream. If the point of PoE2 combat was to encourage a combo of button pressing, then they have to eliminate automation with these kinds of gems. Because there will never be a sweet spot for them that works as both developer intended and player enjoyment; they're two different goals that can never meet in the middle.
@@Smakenzi well the main problem, is that comet is close to unusable without a hell of a lot of cast speed/skill speed, if you don't have it, the mobs will just swarm you, same for multiple other abilities and spells, they all feel like you are stuck knee deep in a mire to use in practical gameplay
Currently at work so I can't watch the video, but I used to love them for sure. As a dev myself, I loved seeing things from vastly different points of views, combined with some cool in-depth things. Sadly, looking at the comments, it seems things have gotten way too toxic with the community, and it feels very much like reddit now. Stay safe man, keep being awesome, but being on the same ground as such people seems like a bad idea - maybe in the future things will be better ❤
I've said it to my friends already. When GGG said they can't wait to see what kind of combos players come up with it was so they could know what to nerf into the ground, not because they actually wanted to see cool interactions. They want all these combos and for players to use skills in conjunction with each other so individually spells and abilities are going to feel like trash. They want this game to play like molasses and I think it's going to bite them in the ass.
I was planning to go to one of these builds to push though as it looked much quicker. I’m in Act 3. Currently using Spark and dropping 2 Orb of Storms. It’s been pretty effective. But probably not tuned. Mana Tempest & Conductivity for bosses / rares, but the issue is you really can’t stand still for long to get the DPS before something is falling on your head. Going to have to work out what to do next
there is a way to make it still playable, buy a amulet + body armor with spirit so you have 180 total, then use 3 cast on freeze setups, 1 with impetus, 1 with energy retention and 1 without anything, they buffer nicely like that. Also take both of the meta skill clusters on the tree
That legit took my joy of playing Poe 2. Nerfing myself by playing a Blood Mage while also trying to find any working build for her was already challenging enough. I'm not going to deal with the gold costs or the rerolling for another build just for it to get nerfed again. It's crazy how they shit on the time people put into the game.
I appreciate your 100% honesty. You weren't particularly brutal about it, so upholding the class as always, but you definitely let them know, hey....this ain't right. As you said, we're essentially beta testers....not even essentially, that's what we are. There was no poll, or even a notice of what things were going to be changed, just a unknown patch when launching the game and guess what, build no longer works. Got the Hammer Of The Gods one shotting pretty much every boss in the game, got rangers out here playing like it's POE 1, and we're playing what we thought would be a pretty safe, fun playstyle with none of the benefits and our real only advantage as spellcasters and it gets taken away. There's still power in the build, but it doesn't feel comfortable at all. So before, where we were going a 1/3 of the speed of a ranger, cut that down by another third because now we have to self cast. So we're going pretty much 10% the speed of a ranger, we have probably 20% the power of a warrior.....Where is the benefit of being a spellcaster at this point? (Sorc/Monk) Are we missing something?
Couldn't agree more with your sentiments. What's worse is what this did to everyone using Meta gems as utility. I was using Cast on Shock to proc Ice Wall Arenas for added defensive blocking of small trash and now I'm back to having no zerg protection.
i don't get why Deadeye is able to just use its skills how you're "supposed" to and it just works but every other class feels terrible and needs to do some degen shit to even play the game and then have it nerfed
You won't like the answer but here goes. The CCP Party member resident at the GGG offices in Auckland has a son who really likes bow characters (and has for years). His favorite class is deadeye in PoE1 and wouldn't you know it, Deadeye in PoE2 is the most overly represented in terms of power on the ladder. Really makes you think huh?
@@bazdarinothebizier9085what a reddit moment. Sure they work 8 years for a game and balance it for a son of one of the members. The other son who liked ice mages is the middle child so who cares
Yeah, no. Deadeye turned to "totem"-like playstyle now instead of bow character, you need to throw lightning rod 3 times or more for bosses ( if u don't have extra proj ) and then attack, and then throw rods again. It's literally worse than totem pigeonhole in poe1 before they removed them xd. We only play it for the damage
That is the thing. If they nerfed the skill, it is to put it more balanced, right? So, what we're supposed to do with cast on anything? They are all useless now. It was the wrong move by a mile
Apparently, reading the patch notes, we should be able (if they indeed balanced this properly) to get back to a reasonable amount of triggers using a higher-level triggering skill -- Flame Wall, Frost whatever, etc.). Dunno if it works -- I can't test because I semi-abandoned my Sorc yesterday (partly because I saw this coming, and partly because leveling with Spark is tedious as compared to my new toon).
I've been saying it was terrible since day one, and then getting shit from all the fanboys who just blindly defended it. So it's nice to see them having a little meltdown after GGG took their toys away.
I don't really understand why respecing is expensive in the first place, like if I want to change my tree at some points it is probably because my build is too weak, which means I have a hard time farming gold I'm not playing this build but I'm very surprised they nerfed this that much, seems strong, but not OP at all
This feels EXACTLY like season one of Diablo 4 when they absolutely DESTROYED every Sorc build. This game and the actions of its developers should never remind me of Diablo 4.
Being able to trigger a very high damage Long Casttime skill 5 times per second is not healthy. It OP for PoE2 Standards and deserved a nerf. You still run around and freeze the whole screen instantly. Glad they stick to what they want to have in the game and how it's played. And that is not being poe-Machspeed brain off builds. But being stuck to a build that doesn't work anymore the way you set it out to is not good either
@@zzrroott6459 By "optimization" do you mean making a new character? Because any character that used this build is effectively bricked, since you'd have to grind for multiple hours on a shitty half-functioning build to respec lmao
I’m surprised that so many didn’t seem this coming. Even more so that PoE 1 vets didn’t. It’s less that it was overpowered and more so thst a good percentage of builds we’re using this. Every build and class started to look the same. Turn on most streamers, most build showcases on Reddit , etc … what did you see ? Some variation of “cast on xxx” and 5,000 comets falling from the sky. In PoE1 this would’ve lasted a league , and then been nerfed to the ground as well. The trick GGG has here is figuring out how to make the cast on gems useful without them taking over every build in the game
I was playing invoker monk with elemental expression as a ailments procer. After the nerf it doesn't do enough damage to proc any ailments. A level 16 skill granted from an ascendancy does ... 30dps with 60% support gem dmg.
Typical ggg move tbh, hey all the no lifers have had their fun with it nerf to the ground. The only people who suffer are the casuals. I know it’s still early access and it’s not even been a week but boy ggg aren’t doing themselves any favors in actually keeping any players
Wish fundamental changes like these are only applied seasonally, at the very least we as a community would be expecting sweeping changes and have the mindset for it when it lands
100% agree, the respec costs should be lower for EA so we can have a better testing environment. Once the game is more reflective of the balance they're looking for, they could just turn that knob and put the costs back up.
They keep changing stuff because it’s not the vision they have and I totally get that. With that said I feel like they somehow need to tell us what that vision is…
what am I suppose to play then: spark build? boring af... also why should I respec or even start playing another class where's there's no guarantee I won't end up in this exact same situation again?
It feels bad to get nerfed, but It's early access and almost every build was going for same mechanic. If you want close to finished game wait for launch. Maybe they should temporarily lower respec cost.
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To be entirely clear: I am ok with big changes to things that don't fit the game design vision of the game. I only ask that they reduce the friction for players to adapt to these changes while we're in a highly turbulent phase.
On the other hand, you had a massively OP build to farm WAY more than you should be able to, so respeccing payed itself
Mate it's alright to feel negative towards something. I'm a new player to the universe and I find it mind boggling.
@@SkMrFusion123 Agreed! And the argument that my build is not op because of deadeye, doesn't fly! This is suppose to not be like poe 1, and it shouldn't. Otherwise the game loses it's identity and becomes another clone
Classic GGG "vision". They just want everyone to play ruthless mode. Ill play something else.
No, not remotely. This is EA for a reason. Im tired of this ideology that people are using POE lenses to view a DEEPLY EA and unfinished game.
I agree the nerfing of builds when it's so expensive to respect is a punishment to a correction.
This also deters me to play other meta builds or play the game in general. Who's gonna guarantee GGG won't just decide to drop a patch next week and completely waste all my time I spent into making that character?
@@lifeloverNorris Your best bet is to find your own stuff, and hope a content creator doesn't also land on it. Anything popularized by content creators usually gets whacked with the nerf stick. That's just how it is, either they find the builds themselves, or some desperate viewer shows them the build and then they make it and publish it.
@@lifeloverNorris It's early access, the devs have been VERY forward with saying they were going to nerf things that were out of control.
@@ruibarian5187 This. For the love of God people are treating the game as if it is in full release. EA is a chaotic period in a game lifecycle where many changes are made constantly. This might be nerfed toda, buffed tomorrow, deleted the next day after, get broken again on the third day, etc.
Even regarding deadeyes, I'm sure they are on the chopping block as well. Give it time people.
I don't really find it nerfed. But maybe that's because i used cast on freeze on top of other skills thus the synergy still works on bosses and rares. The trash is obliterated by a mix of fire, ice and lightning. I spec heavely into frost (i'm pretty fan of crowd control) and i use solar orb and orb of storm to mutliply the ailments on mobs (and thus damages). I lean to add elemetal equilibrium (if it's still possible to annoint, dunno i'm still in campaign cruel. Otherwise, i'll saty with my focus on cold pen + cold exposure) in the equation as it will really shine with that kind of skill rotation. (NB: my God the text went completely wacked out of my phone :D).
Your frustration is SO ON POINT. I mean, if not this build, what else was Cast on Freeze for? 60 Spirit is CRAAAAZY expensive for what it is now. I'm really bummed man. I'm barely 2/3 through the campaign, and I thought I'd be smooth map clearing through the rest of it. This change makes it back to a slog... I'm so bummed, I'm a regular player and I feel exactly as you described. I do feel like my time was disrespected.
I knew this nerf was coming. I was having fun with this build, and fun is against GGG's plan for this game
I was doing it in Blood Mage which made it even harder rofl. I don’t have the gold to respec anymore. I tried Lightning spells instead and spent all my gold and exalts on new gear and it was hilariously bad in comparison to the cold build I had before.
I rerolled to warrior and I’ve been having fun actually.
@@michaelsteffeck6114 jesus christ people like you are insufferable crybabies
@@JasielMartiniYeah it's pretty rough. I can't afford to respec and earning enough gold to do so with this build now being dead isnt going to be fun. Think I'll switch to warrior too. How have you found melee to be so far?
Exactly the same here, just got to cast on freeze today 😂 I was so looking forward to play this and go to maps and then ... 🎉
agreeing totally with everything you said here. I finally got CoF and could change to comet. respecced, used all my gold and it felt so good and I had fun playing again! ..to wake up to these news today makes me think "what do I do now" since I dont have the currency, nor gold or mats or gems, to fix another build/setup. meanwhile seeing other way more "op" builds still out there.
same
I was working on this process not as far so I'm still out of the woods. Hats off to you guys. I think en mass we were ALL going this direction that probably freaked them out some. Lol. A bunch of PoE1 players stress testing this to make it feel familiar. We only have one pair of glasses to look through.
CoF was designed to be a buff to your build, it was not designed to play the game for you.
@@floppy31145 Which is fine, but the issue is players were not aware of that until after the build was deleted leaving people hard stuck and either facing 10 hours of farming low content to afford a respec, or rerolling. This just feels super punishing and will likely be the end of POE2 for a large number of players unfortunately, EA or not this could have been handled much better for sure.
@@shiftone242Im interested in checking concurrent players today around 5pm est to see if thats the case.
90% nerf and no free respec. GG xD
not just that people invested in their Gems too
Even with a respec you would play a character with gear for another build and gems having 2 links which would be complete dogshit at higher levels.
really crying for a respect...
what does a OP gem setup has todo with respecc?
you relied purly on those procc´s
@@deinpapa3769 ? you know you build ur tree around what build you're playing right. if said build doesn't work out well anymore and you wish to swap, you also need to respec so of course this has everything to do with respec
I honestly still don't understand the high cost of respeccing.
A FULL Passive Talent reset should at most cost 10-20k. I'll never understand GGG's gripe against being able to Easily change up a build when you feel like it and it has always been a major downside to PoE for me that wanting to just mess around and try different builds is such a colossal pain in the fucking ass for no real reason.
The reason is replayability
@@pascalromeijn8241 But the result is most people are reading guides instead of playing
@@pascalromeijn8241 But replaying act 1-3 2 times to get a new build up is not replayable.
The second time running through the acts was a pain already especially with no movement speed or skills and the walls you hit because the gear is so bad.
I myself as an old school gamer feel that every decision should be permanent. No respecs whatsoever. If you mess up your build, then reroll, or live with it. But I'm guessing I'm a minority with this opinion. If it's possible to respec, then it should be really expensive (maybe even more then now). Imo it should always be easier to reroll a character then to do a full respec.
@@Greamzih one of the biggest gripes, or at least very vocal, with Diablo was that you had to use 3rd party websites to figure shit out...well what in the ever living fuck do PoE cultists call this shit?
I'm new to PoE, played less than 10h before PoE2 dropped in EA - and the game explains abso-fucking-lutely nothing. Any mistake I made, and as a new player, felt like I was being punished, on top of the feeling of being punished simply for playing beause GGGs definition of "challenging" comes really close to "tedious, chore, and just fuck you for playing" categories.
Lance's pure lightning archmage mana stacker still looks good. Give it a week though, once enough ppl switch GGG will nerf that too
I think the amount of energy gained should be adjusted. Simple enough to fix.
The huge problem is that people will stop playing or respec then it gets adjusted back and who's going to switch back to try. It's early access they don't need to do enormous nerfs with no thought. They could have nerfed it 10% then revisit it in a week. They keep devastating skills in 1 shot and it's going to force people out.
yeah to go from 20+ % per ailment to less than 1% on some mobs screams a lack of testing and foresight... definitely not a good look and these are completely worthless now. absolute overkill in my opinion
@@BaconSweats well, if they aren't gonna do it in EA, when do you think they should do such things? if anything, EA is *the* place and time to do such massive reworks. I would understand the massive critique if this was a regular league after the final release, but in EA? EA is not the final release version which you just happen to be able to play earlier, which is perfectly balanced and satisfies everyone. by buying yourself into early access, you basically agree to beta test the game and the balance and the interactions etc. I'd much rather have all this stuff happen now (and in the next 6+ months) then once POE2 goes 1.0 and the first real league releases.
@@Xebtriathey didn't say no changes, but to try incremental smaller changes rather than just bury it six feet under
@@Xebtria Early access is not beta testing. Beta testing is a job, volunteer work usually. Early access is a product, a paid privilege. I hope this helps you with your misunderstanding.
A full respec should 100% be offered with this kind of a change. I can't even afford to change my build into something that will work. This character is effectively bricked
lol love it, had my merc bricked, rolled monk, hopefully they dont gut him
try being creative in an EA game and not just copying the most meta OP streamer build. it's EA.
roll a new character. games a few days old. you'll live.
True. It should be cheaper at least to respec in EA. It benefits everyone. We are beta testing the game and have also payed to do so.
@@tooeasyy5287what merc build have been bricked?? Surely you aren't talking about gas grenade
I'm surprised they didn't provide a free respec, it's something they would do pretty regularly in the past
Someone get jung playing a deadeye so they nerf that too
Deadeye got the infusion bug fixed, its a pretty decent dps drop for them.
@@nagorner3791 decent lol my tt dps on mag salvo when from 8k to 6.2k
They already nerfed it, good morning, lol
@@nitothegravelord7798 RoA got nerfed?
yeaah the support gem on herald no longer applies elemental dmg boost to all spells but only to herald lightning itself, I can't play rn but im sure my build felt that change
well thats not a nerf, that a kill...there is no reason to use COC COF or COI now...
Good
They literally took them out back and shot them in the head 😂 Rip trigger builds
womp womp
@@riveteye93 What's the point of them existing then?
@@pythonxzI see the nerfed version...its not bad as people say lol except if you want stupid spam op skill then i understand why people upset
Im not bothered. Its gonna be like this all during EA. The only thing I want them to do is make respecing free during EA so if a nerf slaps our build we can pivot.
Ya let's see what comes out of your mouth when your build gets nerfed. I hope you're playing a lightning deadeye. You're next.
@@SCVC123 I hope to god I need to see these people know how it feels. They ain't safe from this.
@@SCVC123 Bro I'm still Level 23, working my way through Act 2. Was actually leveling an Ice Sorceress eager to check out the Cast on Freeze stuff. Now I can't. Cry more.
New player to POE here. Was finally able to get all the things I needed for the build and didn't realize it was already nerfed. So many resources wasted to finally get the build, and it was all for nothing. Taking a break from this game. It will take too much time to try and make up for all the resources I lost and make a new build. Sucks because I was having so much fun with the game.
insanity lol
Might I suggest trying out POE 1. It might not be for you and probably more complex than POE 2, but with an actual proper guide that's for 3.25, you should have a much straight forward and easier time. At least you shouldn't be expecting any kinds bullshit nerfs incoming.
might I suggest getting some mental toughness
lol and I thought the Destiny community was a group of cry babies. This one tops it by a mile 😂
same
bro i went from 21% per mob shocked to less than 1%, thats INSANE. i had been cooking up my own version of cast on shock with orb of storms consuming the shocks, the double shock and reduced duration of shock ascendancy point, and arc or ball lightning to apply the shocks. guess all that is out the window now
I just leveled a minion build for this exact reason
Same here man, I fully invested into shock chance in the tree and with my ascendancy as sorc, all that is useless now. Feels really great, thanks GGG.
I don't have it in me to reroll and play the campaign again ... guess I'm quitting the game for now.
@@z0ttel89 Bye
@@z0ttel89 there's like 20 other builds you can play with that setup lol
@@SebiBubbleyeah but the cost to respect is insane so what was the point in this comment I mean do you even play the game.
People keep mentioning respec points but the bigger issue I have is: what exactly is the point of the Trigger spells if the trigger rate so low that it's virtually unusable for anything
The cast trigger spells were great because they were intuitive and they were fun: throwing spells and testing interactions for which spell bests functions as the trigger driver in different scenarios and which spells are good to trigger was a blast to experiment with. I personally came up with a Cast on Ignite Firestorm Stormweaver (so I can shock as well) for acts, which I transitioned into frost wall + comet, and then I hit endgame and started poking around to see what other people came up with. It was genuinely cool to see that my fireball + frostwall tech was also used by goratha.
And now all of that is gone because... devs said so? For a build archetype that wasn't laddering at all? Just feelsbadman
he didnt show vs a boss example, from the wording what i get is they want it to be a boss killer setup, not a do it all thing
@@MefoWho yep it's straight buff on bosses
@@MefoWho why as a sorc would you use spirit for a trigger spell that only work on boss loll
Imagine people that stupid making a video game? LMFAO
Trigger spells let you "skip" the cast time, at the cost Spirit and at least one less link. As you said, there is no point into getting a trigger spell if it doesn't proc enough.
I believe the easy fix could be just adding a line to the Cast on X: "the triggered spell does y% LESS damage", and that y could be as high as 40 or 50% and I'm sure builds would still benefit from having an auto cast spell.
That said, I believe the underlying design problem is that the triggered SHOULDN'T be the most damaging spell, but some kind of support to the damage or to the build tech (for example, something that shocks or w/e).
I hate this nerf. Wasn't even doing the broken thing but now meta gems plain don't work. I was very excited for automation but in it's current state it's unplayable. I was just using cast on freeze to automate my profane ritual and contagion. Had to go back to self cast which feels bad man
Oh no, you'll have to play the game, what a tragedy
@@riveteye93 waaaa waaaaa
explain very well how its "not" broken
I stop when he said its not broken😂
Poe2 is not poe1. You can't play with 1 hand anymore lil bro
My opinion is that, since it is clear that certain skills are way out of balance for what they want, and due to how expensive respec is, it ought to just be free at this point, at least daily or even hourly or something - because it IS early access. Get people to break their game quickly so they can address what they want, then worry about setting the expectation of respec.
In the end, I think that saves time all around.
just my 2cp.
Also, I find it funny, based on forum posts, how many people do not know what they signed up for when they spent money just to be in this early access.
It is early access, not beta testing though, but I'm cool with the changes, I'm not a good builder anyway
@@IsaacChoo88 I disagree, they can call it what they want, if they are making that big of a change to skills.... its still a beta. Just my view on it. I'm cool with them changing things, but not with changing things and leaving people high and dry when they nuke builds they were using.
That nerf is Diablo-like
The game is diablo like too
Diablo doesn't nerf anymore. That was a big problem in the last season.
It's important that they work on balancing in the EA. I wouldn't mind cheaper respec costs either.
At least they let you have fun with it for a season. Even then transitioning to another build is infinitely easier there
Diablo nerfed the sorc about 1/3 off his entire capacity of damage.
In the 5 day beta.
Before anyone could reach lvl 25.
The only thing that they didn't nerf recently was the spirtbullshit because was the only new character from the dlc.
We are not even in the same dimensional string for what concern how bad D4 was and still is in gameplay mechanics
LEARN TO NOT SIMILAR 2 DIFFREND GAMES EACH OTHRE... AND GROW UP
Welcome to the club. I was SRS autobomber. Went from really rough start to finally a cool build. Had it for about an hour, slept woke up nerfed. Not a dead build but it’s been a kick in the dick for sure.
I have read your comment over 4 or 5 years ago....deja vous !!!!! Yeah, my SRS got nerfed just as I was setting it up and tonight , in 8 more levels I would get comet , so I don't get to try it either haha
It's ea changes will be big and a lot
@@Vulgaels That´s not the problem, but having massive respec costs while changing/destroying playstyles every two days just discourages people to try anything at all.
@@Uelibertiga That's why you don't play the busted meta builds that every streamer adverstises. Play something no else does and I can guarantee you your build won't be nerfed.
It's early access and people want to already abuse busted builds instead of having a balanced game on release where actual investments and creativity leads to payouts. I've had zero builds nerfed or killed in over 10+years of playing PoE1.
that shit WAS OP though
I was worried they'd nerf CoF Comet, but since the other big nerfs they did were 30% or 40% less damage, that's what I expected. I didn't expect "we murdered your archetype, so you need to respec 40 points and change all your gems and some gear" WITHOUT a free respec. Yikes.
I get GGG does not want to compromise their vision for PoE 2 and I can respect that. That being said I do think they need to give out respecs it not only helps the players try another build but also the theory crafters to find out other broken builds to spec into for testing. literally a win win.
Respect the slow 🤡
@@bob-dm1mo hun?
to help the players try another build but also the theory crafters to find out other builds.. to get nerfed, right
Okay but what is their vision ? I want to know. No build ? no strong gem ? souls like hack n slash with trash economy ?
@@presseplay Slow, souls like "arpg" built around dodge roll for surviving and not defense. Wanting to "feel your character" and not just having them a way to express a build. Basically the antithesis to ARPGs meanwhike D4 is coming out with a spec armory.
This has been my experience - Was super excited for the game, I have played a ton of POE 1. I played with friends during the campaign. Found a good cold staff and started playing a version of this build. I am at 84 hours in game, so I have been playing a TON because I was having heaps of fun. With this nerf it is going to cost me upwards of 500K to respec. I hadn't been saving gold and only have 5K. I just don't have the will power to farm enough gold for hours and hours- especially now my build can't even kill anything. I don't want to start all over again. Now I just have to stop playing all together, I guess. Now yes, get gud etc but at the end of the day video games should be fun, and now there is no joy in the game, or anything that makes me want to play. This is only my own personal experience and not to say the game isn't still fun for other people.
I’m on the same boat but thankfully 50 hours behind you, I might be able to respec but it will be costly. I’m considering starting a new character besides sorceress. CoF builds desperately need a free respec. IMO it wouldn’t hurt to make all respec for all characters free for a weekend maybe, it is EA after all and I’d love to expirement more if it wasn’t so costly
500k? You're exaggerating beyond belief
@@dirtydard4870 He is not, though. Gold costs rise exponentially the higher your character level is.
The higher the character level, the more expensive every single point is. 500k is realistic at high lvl.
@@dirtydard4870 😂 wait till you hit higher levels
@@dirtydard4870 He is not. Im level 70 right now and one point respec is 4.600 gold for me or something like that.
I think the problem wasn't that it was overpowered compared to Deadeye, but that Cast on X was what every caster build was getting funneled into.
They possibly went overboard with it, but it seems like every endgame caster build was some variation of Cast on X.
It’s a meta skill for casters will you not use your meta gems for your build
@@80sKid237 should all caster builds just be "pick your flavor of cast on x"?
Then they should have had other decent options at that level
Not true. Self cast frost bolt/cold snap is just as powerful but requires multiple buttons and some precision to pull off.
@@purdo84 it requires 0 precision, its just extra button presses lol
even without them doing this, the respec costs is unacceptable(currently), it hinters new players and limits experimentation, it only really promotes build guides and playing the meta because you can't afford to respec and it creates an inherent fear of trying new things because if you mess up there is no way to get back from it, even more so since we can't respec in to another ascendancy
@Subtractem - To answer your question about what now? I was in my 50’s and had put so much effort in to the build and gambling and crafting and now I’m just looking at a game that isn’t fun. I literally just turned it off and I’ll probably come back some day.
If they made it free to respec it would go a long way. To be honest I’m actually kind of glad they did this, I was far too invested haha. Now I can walk away and breathe.
Same on the situation, lv50, stuck in the middle now without any resource to respec, even they offer a full respec, I dont think I have enough support gem cut to actually make a usable build.
Starting another char from scratch would probably take me another week, so bye for now I guess
Yeh touch some grass bro
Just give people a free respec. Some people's characters will be completely bricked by this and they won't be able to afford to spec out of it.
but then they wont be forced to make a new characters.
I can see now why we don't get patches during seasons, except for big bug fixes.
I saw how long even streamers took to put this build in a good shape and now it is simply dead.
And as someone who hasn't played PoE 2 yet, it makes me kind of scared to get into it now, as this was one of the build I considered to play as it looked like a lot of fun.
That's why it's a beta, and people don't understand that they're paying for a beta, which we aren't even a week into.
Let the smooth brains do QA for free. I'll join the fun when it know tencent is keeping the game 1 way for at least a season. People really still don't get it. Yall working for free haha.
@@Capitan_Captain second time ive seen you post this. this is not a beta, beta is over. this is early access, which is a stage AFTER beta that weve all payed for. this should have been all worked out in the beta phase and apparently wasnt, thats what betas are for. this is a released product that they are changing and not compensating for the time and money invested. simple fix is free respecs at this point otherwise they arent respecting our investment into their released product.
@@justinmills2360 this is a beta test, get over it. What do you think were those 3 years on early access for baldurs gate 3? exactly as i said on another post. Even Jonathan said it already on more than one interview: they didnt call it a beta because early acces was a better marketing strategy, being both exactly the same. The fact that there are studios that abuse that concept just to abuse consumer ignorance is a different thing.
@@justinmills2360 also, have you even read the version of the game? we're at 0.1.0d, a complete software is released at 1.0.0 at least. We have a shit ton of iterations before the beta ends. Also, you're mixing the closed beta with the early acces, AKA open beta.
Yeah. Respec cost is insane esp for an Early Access.
This nerf leaves a lot more questions than answers
This build wasn't even OP. Builds are out there untouched with FAR faster map clear, FAR faster boss damage, and FAR better survivability. This was one of the few sorc builds that actually felt nice without having to by uniques that cost 30-50 exalted orbs each. No respec leaves a lot of people with 3 options: quit, wait a few months for the nerf parade to stop, or quite literally make an entirely new character. For the average player, only 1 of these options is feasilbe.
Very disappointed in GGG because this to me shows they have no vision for the game's balance, and they didn't test these things out. What else would cast on freeze be used for? How did they not find this interaction if it's "too strong?" This feels like an open alpha not a Early access game at this point.
"Very disappointed in GGG because this to me shows they have no vision for the game's balance, and they didn't test these things out. "
You're talking about an early access game 6 months away from release, for fucks sake.
You people need to get a grip. GGG will probably see the respeccing outrage and offer some one time free respec or something like that in a matter of days. Calm the fuck down, jeez.
It's a beta y'know, what else did you expect? I also think the change was too extreme. But come on, we are literally less than a week into the beta and people cry like it's the end of the world.
@ 1. It’s not a beta it’s an early access. I wish people would stop trying to make excuses for GgG. 2. If they are going to kill a build then at least give us a respec
@Vezuls lmao, ok. I've been playing for almost 25 years and you know more than me. You can go and read what it is, and you can also ask another devs (like larian) why baldur's gate 3 was on early access for 3 years without delivering all the acts until the GAME LAUNCH maybe. Also, if you have a minimal knowledge about software, you should know that a version 0.1.0d isn't very close to a full fledged 1.0.0 version. Anything below 1.0.0 is a beta, and this is the open beta after the couple of closed betas that they did. You can use Google too, it isn't that hard.
@Vezuls also, I've never said that I was against respecs, you understood whatever you wanted.
theyre gunna need to start giving us a little somethin something every time they poof peoples 10's if not hundred hours of play into oblivion.
people are gunna burn out on the "beta" testing REAL fast if they have to reroll characters or refarm another 500k gold on a broken build in act3c every time a patch comes out.
I think that they will be nerfing deadeye in a big way, but we haven't gotten it yet because it likely involves fundamental changes to deadeye/ranger. The fact tailwind works the way it does in poe2 is definitely baffling when compared to the rest of the classes. Don't think the deadeye isn't gonna get its day of reckoning!
Whether they fix this I think will determine for a lot of players whether they keep playing or not. The response is so overwhelmingly negative and if they don't roll it back, it's obvious they don't want the game to be fun for most of their playerbase and are totally fine with ruining fun mechanics to make the game hard. I hope they choose fun over bland difficulty.
Personally Ive stopped playing POE2. I think the game looks great. Boss fight are awesome, scenery is awesome but the game isnt anywhere near worth playing for 100s if not thousands of hours until its released. POE2 is atleast a year away from being ready for release. Its pretty unbalanced at the moment.
I was playing a Lightning Sorc and feel like she has hit a wall. Ive not dropped items, or found NPC sellers with items that will allow her to progress. I spent 5 hrs trying to run Dreadnaught in order to level and get better items. POE2 just doesnt work that way.
I wasnt having fun so started a new POE1 character to enjoy. Dont get me wrong, POE2 looks great but SSF is just way to RNG to invest time into.
I saw the patch, I tried a zone with it, and just sat there debating if I wanted to play on. I was going to use it to level up, go archmage but now wondering how nerfed archmage will be
@@panzerswineflu Opposite for me, logged in after sleeping, then wondered why Comet was not proccing. Gone to the page and saw the patch notes. I'm now wondering if I'll respec or just stop playing for the time being
@lordrald09 I had just got the spirit gem. Leveling has been so painful for me I've just wanted to get that build to feel good finally. I've had more fun on monk up to this point
Yeah I think I'm going to take a break. Was planning on gas grenade build then it got nerved. Switch to a monk and leveling into a meteor build on cast on freeze and it got nerfed.
GGG telling me that I'm wasting my time. Not a fun feeling
Gás still broken bro, I didn't even notice it had been nerfed 😂😂😂
gas still strong but i expect it's not gonna last long lol
Swapping to Cast on Freeze was the First time i Had fun playing that Game after forcing myself Into 30 hours of grinding Not working witch builds.....
Your build will be slow, do zero damage, and you're going to like it.
WTF ... they completely killed my lightning build!
Everyone said that lightning sorc was not viable and I was so happy that I proved them wrong, I just entered cruel and killed the act 3 endboss in the first try.
I am using 'cast on shock' and for that, I have stacked as much shock as possible on the skill tree and with my ascendancy
Now?? Every time I shock an enemy, I get 1% or maybe 2% on the cast on shock counter ... and it only triggers when the counter is at 100.
Before this patch, I would get like 15% or 20% on the cast on shock counter for every shock.
This has completely ruined my build and ALL the investment I made on the skill tree is completely useless now.
I was having so much fun with the game and this build that people called 'unviable', well guess what? Now GGG have ACTUALLY made it not be viable.
I guess we are all supposed to once again just copy meta builds from big streamers? Because we are being PUNISHED for trying our own things.
Why tf are they doing this? I'm honestly considering quitting the game right now.
I understand this frustration but this is early access. This is how it goes: things are going to change wildly, nothing is safe, and you may have to start over. I play an archmage lightning stormweaver without cast on crit and I'm doing just fine, but if they nerfed archmage, I would just try another build.
This is EA. It was stupidly OP and no brainer. I think you might survive a build nerf 5 days into early access, lol.
CO(X) was a streamer meta build..
Feel your pain buddy, hope you will find nice solution thet bring fun back
To me, this was 100% expected to be nerfed. You have so many skills that can apply tiny ailments like 20 times per second, being able to trigger the strongest skills several times per second. This goes against all other archetypes, that are all slow, having to sacrifice single target dps for clear and vice versa, with dual spec etc. This is EA, and alot of things will change. GGG did however say they would offer a free respec to characters that are majorly affected by changes, so if people with Co[X]-builds didn't get a free respec, I would leave feedback and ask for a free respec.
I just hit act 3 and got cast on freeze last night. Felt realy good. Gotta start over again i guess 🤣
Feel weak enough in poe2 and all we've seen balance wise is nerf after nerf not a good look
Nearly the entire patch was buffs, only meta gems got nerfed
@@sparx2565 lots of 1-2% buffs compared to a few 50-60% nerfs? yeah seems balanced
GGG: here is a lego set to build a plane
Player: builds rocket.
GGG: its my legos only build what I said.
We as a community saw what ruthless was in poe1 and said man....... this fucking sucks and GGG in their infinite wisdom said man. what if we just made the sequel everyone was looking forward too that game mode no one likes. where fun isnt allowed.
I agree with them goving everyone a respec. I think thats reasonable and wise. I also agree that these trigger builds needed a nerf, maybe not quite so heavy handed but they definitely needed to be toned down. It felt like every build coming out in the last 2 days have been either trigger on freeze, trigger on crit or trigger on minion death. I understand that build diversity is limited due to us not having as many toys but there was definitely a meta forming of cast on being head and shoulders above everything else.
was really only Cast on Ignite that was an issue, maybe cast on shock, cast on freeze was perfectly fine. the "per skill" made it not go crazy
It’s a meta skill for a build it is impossible to do sustained dps without them😊
Deadeye, minions, and archmage were still stronger than the meta skills. I'd be shocked if selfcasting non archmage can compete with anything at all.
No its need a heavy nerf because why the heavy attack that got punished with slow movement to have big dmg exist while you can just use this and spam that shit while dealing dmg more than slow heavy move and can reposition easily
@@itsallinthepast2944 Alright bootlicker, clearly you don't actually know what your talking about in your broken English. The build did not need a heavy nerf at all. It needed some number tuning. You don't go from strong to completely dead. Morons like you ruin the game for everybody. GGG can do no wrong in your eyes.
The nerfs werent due to the power, they were due to only needing you to mostly push a single button. Cant have that, didnt you hear that combo game play is the name of the game? The dead eyes all have to set up their gas clouds or lightning spikes and then detonate them with a different attack. 2 buttons! See?
I know right? You need to feel a certain degree of inconvenience while playing POE 2, no fun and chilled gameplay allowed.
my build was not a 1 button build dude XD
@@ThanhLai5 pushing more than one button is fun, "chilled gameplay" is the new way to call out "exploit" ?
@@ThanhLai5 if you're not having fun you're doing something majorly wrong. My first build took 10 minutes for the Act 1 Boss, still fun as hell 🤷♀️
@@grimkiller696 Same, I had to press 3 buttons. I know a lot. 4-5 depending on if time freeze or need to temporal rift.
Seems heavy handed. They are clearly watching certain players. At the end of the day, this community will find the ridiculous builds always. There are too many working parts to completely balance. It's better to have a bunch of really great builds and 1 or two broken builds than a bunch of crappy builds and a 1 or 2 broken builds. They will likely undo this nerf or rework it again. Also, respeciing is wayyyyyy harder than it was in PoE1 and I remember them saying they wanted it to be easier, especially in the early game. Currently, as you pointed out, it's hard af to respec more than a few points.
That nerf and the Kripp review pretty much killed my excitment for the game.
Same, the campaign is definitely fun if you have the right build, but the endgame is completely unapproachable for all but the most elite players who enjoy getting stomped on for fun. Hopefully by 1.0 (or before) it changes otherwise this is not for me and that’s okay.
Then don't play it
@@robe4314 I was thinking this exactly. The builds they are nerfing are nearly perfectly balanced for end game. Every map I've played I get absolutely swarmed (tier 1) and since the nerf, I can't make it 5 feet into a map without getting spawn trapped.
Keep in mind I've spent dozens of hours trying to find a character a like, just for it to get nerfed brutally.
@@SloRush dude they were far from "perfectly balanced". They were able to kill map bosses in like 2 seconds, and clear an entire screen of enemies with 1 cast. The only thing holding those builds back were the lower movement speed. If we had PoE 1 movement speed, they'd play exactly the same.
I think it's reasonable to feel that way if you had the expectation that early access was just "VIP only release" or something, which seems to be the view of a lot of the PoE community, but normally major gameplay changes including nerfs are expected when a game is early access.
GGG clearly does not want PoE 2's endgame meta to be like PoE 1's and what I've heard over and over from the people using these builds is that they turned PoE 2 into PoE 1. Literally that's what people have been saying. This shouldn't have been unexpected!
You can gor for Frostwall - Fireballs, thats not too expensive. U can keep most of your cold and freeze build up note and go for crit for additional damage. The only bottlenecks are the unique gloves "Blueflame Bracers Goldcast Cuffs" (1 Ex in Trade) and maybe some Gems if you dont have the level 3 Support Gems and Level 13 Spell Gems.
Then its basically a two button build. You cast your Frostwall and then you cast your Fireball into the walls (Works like spark with flamewall)
Gem Setup:
Fireball -> Scattershot -> Wildshards -> Unleash
Frost Wall -> Icicle -> Spell Cascade
Frost Bomb (single Target Damage) -> Fast Forward -> Strip Away -> Conc Effect
For spirit i just use some QoL Auras:
Blasphemy -> Hypothermia -> Magnified Effect (This Aura gives u auto curse to nearby enemies)
Arctic Armour -> Clarity (makes ur mana bottle useless :) )
For the Passive Tree just delete all the "Energy" Notes and put them into crit or spell dmg Notes, thats it
Have Fun :)
it killed THIS way of triggering. there are other ways to build these triggers. my incidental cast on ignite, on my fire blood mage, just a firestorm. feels almost exactly the same. the way people were playing it, is not viable. there are going to be other ways. there are also going to be many more things nerfed. i will say though, when changes like this are made, everyone should get a one time respec. i was and still am levelling a build that might use cast on x, its different though, ill find out when i get there. i think itll still work.
First sane comment I've seen lol.
I am working full time, only have 2h max a day. Was happy to get to Act 4 in this time. And now I have to change everything without the time. Early access ok, but this game is lost for casual players.
im down with it getting nerfed but god damn. the ggg quad taps are already out. I also just leveled a sorc to 50 to try this build out, looked so fun
I like that GGG has attempted to make this game challenging. Gone are the days that you can just throw your corpse at a boss until you beat it. You have to actually think about what you're doing. That said, in their effort to make a challenging game, they have instead made a clunky, tedious game. That is not a fun game to play.
I agree 100% with what everyone else has said. This kind of change should come with a free respec. If you're in early access and making big adjustments to balance the game before release, then you need to make those changes accessible to your players. How will they know if the changes had the desired result if the player base isn't willing or able to test them?
D4 had a rough start. The first 6 months were dreadful. But they learned and adjusted, and the game is playable and enjoyable now. POE1 is 11 years old and is still the reigning champ, IMO. POE2 is still in early access, so we should expect that they're going to make adjustments. This change is frustrating, but not unexpected.
I just hope GGG can figure out their $@^! within a month or two rather than having the debacle that Blizzard had with D4. I really want to enjoy this game, but I'm not going to force it if GGG can't differentiate between challenging and clunky and tedious.
For me this nerf not only kills my build but also my char. I'm playing a bloodmage which already means that I wont be able to do a lot of different builds (CI, BM, Archmage and more) and combining that with all of the bugs my ascendancy has just doesn't leave a lot of room for build variety tbh. Don't really have much time cus of working schedule and this all is a little frustrating for someone like me.
It’s like the removal of trigger loop costing 90 spirit for Minion builds … we were already pushing 6-7 skill buttons but we got SRS loop removed even with the cost
I felt like a nerf like that should have been done during beta testing rather then EA. What did they feel about it then? I don't know anything about Alpha & Beta phases so maybe I am wrong. However, I feel the same I started an Infernalist because I did not have enough gold to respect my other minion witch now that I have saved up 200k (not finished with cruel act 3) I did respect my cast on ignite to turn back to minions and I am not sure of how strong they are.
We have very few gems, items and therefor builds possibles this just feels like choices taken away.
If it becomes a primary thing for most builds to use. Dont expect it to stay. If every build is using it. It is overpowered.
Well, I guess GGG is going to have camp fire chats soon
Not even a week into a BETA and people are crying like Bobby Kotick was the new CEO. Get your shit together.
They crying is too loud
I spent two days trying to level a char for this build and the patch dropped right before I reached the level requirement, feels pretty bad…
They could have just nerfed the damage or nerfed the proc a bit, because it was broken. But they nerfed it by 500%... It is pretty cringe when you invest so much time and especially currency into these builds and gems that are now completely unusable. A character that could do everything in the game should not struggle going into a t5 map, deserved a nerf but they just deleted the gem.
I dont care for the nerfs... i care for the fact that now i have to spend another 40 hours to struggle my way thru the fucking obnoxiously long campaign. PS. ggg give free respecs
So many automation shit, it is a good nerf, but grant players the ability to respect free of charges. That's the only miss
After a decade of trying to balance CoC in PoE1, I really have to question how and why any developer working on PoE2 thought it was a good idea to even have trigger gems in the game. They're inherently abusable. They're either incredible, or non-functional. Why would you put them in the game.
I think the nerf was too harsh and hopefully GGG will think the same. I think the Solar Orb Tech is really great tho
Cost me about 575,000 gold to fully respec my tree to archmage energy shield from this at level 75. Very upsetting but now I am unkillable with over 9000 energy shield.
I think the changes are depressing sure, but the worst thing is not giving us all free respecs. The amount of builds that are just bricked now is really gonna put people off. If we could redo our tree and experiment freely it would hit very different i think
Don't be a meta cuck, but I agree, give respecs for free.
I'm OK with them nerfing and buffing things often in EA.
But they should ideally give at least a couple days head up, so we don't waste our time on a build relying on something that will get nerfed and/or make respeccing free while in EA. Or at least much cheaper towards endgame.
What does GGG want? They want players to suffer and feel very inconvenient. Cold spells are already weaker than lightning and fire, now they've just killed cold caster builds. On top of that, they didn't want reduce the respec cost so that people can try to fix their builds.
I don't know what you mean by cold is weaker I made a frost nova build with Cascade and Unleashed and it absolutely dominated act 1 best starter build I've made so far, can't wait to put some more hours into it
@@thehatefull1761 in act 3 you wont do shit with frost nova dmg is way to low for that
@@Nukerstyxler I'm sure I'll figure something out I'm very good at these types of games I've already looked at most of the skill tree and acendency I see plenty of ways to stack crit damage on Frost builds plus it has inherit CC I've already end game two other characters that everybody else says are trash more than likely it's just a skill issue and besides I'm using Frost Nova to freeze everything around me because I'm running Unleashed with Kaskade and then using Frost bomb to basically one shot everything so far I haven't run into a boss that I couldn't kill with four Frost bombs after Nova freezing them I forget what the support is on bomb but it allows you to have two of them with a 40% increase to cool down by the time I freeze them with Nova set two bombs on them and then freeze them again with Nova the bosses are pretty much stunned locked I have a fire sorceress that I am on cruelty act 3 and I'm still using Firebolt which is the very first basic skill you get from an item and I'm Wrecking the whole game with it pretty sure you just don't know how to stack damage properly and what support gems you're using
@@thehatefull1761 Wow act 1. That's practically endgame.
@gundamnit3594 I have two other characters that have completed T3 Maps I'm just better than you little buddy now you can pull your foot out of your mouth I'll give you permission here's a little background on me in every Diablo game from 2 to 4 I hold World Records I also hold a few Records On poe1 and I will hold a few records on poe2 I'm just in a whole nother League then you casuals not that it's really anything to brag about considering it's just basic math but considering how a lot of you guys are pretty dumb that puts me in the top 1% tile now go cry to grinding gear games about how it's too hard
with how cast on freeze worked, it was busted for sure, there's no point in having energy in the game if freezing 1 monster gets you to 100%, but they went too extreme, it should be around 15% per monster, so it procs fully only on packs of at least 8. Probably not going to respec cause freeze itself is still nice and can be used to help self cast comets
"Hey guys, we have these cool tools like COC, COI and COF"
...
"but we nerfed them to the ground so yall wont use them 😊"
Most likely intended to be used as utility not primary damage
@@HarkinsX Okay, then they should have a 30--50% less damage penalty. Now they don't function for utility or damage (barring boss fights).
And i wasn't even following any Meta Cheeselord Sweaties Build that want to one Shot the whole Campaign in 3 Seconds lol. Just figuring out Spellcaster for myself. They are really Incompetent.
GGG pretty much took the piss on half the playerbase since many classes used these trigger gems and they were build defining and yes they were REALLY fun, the gems had so so many interactions that you could do, even the CoC was rly fun which now is like COMPLETELY and ABSOLUTELY nuked
And btw...I've seen much more broken builds on twitch at some streamers , it's not like OMFG OMFG CoF sorc was completely OP , CoF wasnt even that good on bosses for example it was good for clearing.
At this point with 45hrs played I`m like 60% ACT 3 cruel and my character is literally bricked, not even a full respec would help cause I have no items and I`d have to take other gems and I dont have jewelers orb since I invested everything into CoF to have 4 slots.
This is donkey shit to say the least.
If they dont revert the change they might just killed their EA and killed all the hype surrounding the game. It's very hard to bring people back if you`re pissing them off like this and pissing on their time.
Anyways , there was so much cool stuff you could do with triggers and now it's all gone , poof
100% agree with you on this.
I built my character from scratch into a cast on freeze comet and I had the same impression. It felt good to play and not OP at all. I wasn't one-shotting bosses. Not even close. I wasn't even wiping the screen when there were elites. It just felt good. And it seemed like there were natural places to expand the build.
I don't know what killing the "cast on" gems is meant to do. If this is the build they are killing, it feels like anything I spec into now could get destroyed later. I keep seeing people deleting content; is that not what we are supposed to do? I thought we were supposed to find cool ways to make characters more powerful.
I don't understand their design philosophy with this change. Before Early Access Jonathan said that they try to not nerf or mess with skills in the middle of leagues/early-access. So far I've only seen them nerf stuff and it feels really panicked and reactionary. I think they really, REALLY need to slow down on nerfs, because killing multiple builds in under a week with multiple hot-fixes and patches isn't the messaging they put out before.
Even this change, to "cast on" gems. They had a post on twitter where they talked about "cast on" being too easy to trigger "with low level spells" which seemed more than fair. Instead they killed all "cast on" gems without real warning.
Again, I don't know what to feel about this. I don't think they should get credit for PoE2 being different than PoE1. If what they mean by different is "no fun >:|" then I'm not sure I want to play this game. And that's kinda the message I'm getting. I'm sure there were broken builds out there using "cast on" stuff. But not giving respecs is pretty rough for people like me. I'm not even out of the cruel campaign acts yet and now I have to try and find a full respec or just reroll. And I don't even know if the next thing I find that's fun will also be nerfed into the ground.
This sucks.
The Cast on Condition gems have been nothing but problematic, they were problematic in PoE, and it was no surprise that they would also cause more problems in PoE2. If GGG wanted less automation, then they needed to have never introduced these skill gems. Because Players will always look for ways to press as little as possible. Pressing one button to start the engine is the dream. If the point of PoE2 combat was to encourage a combo of button pressing, then they have to eliminate automation with these kinds of gems. Because there will never be a sweet spot for them that works as both developer intended and player enjoyment; they're two different goals that can never meet in the middle.
it was more about dps than a single button playstyle.. the comet has a 2 sec cast time whe cast "from hand"..
@@Smakenzi well the main problem, is that comet is close to unusable without a hell of a lot of cast speed/skill speed, if you don't have it, the mobs will just swarm you, same for multiple other abilities and spells, they all feel like you are stuck knee deep in a mire to use in practical gameplay
Currently at work so I can't watch the video, but I used to love them for sure. As a dev myself, I loved seeing things from vastly different points of views, combined with some cool in-depth things. Sadly, looking at the comments, it seems things have gotten way too toxic with the community, and it feels very much like reddit now. Stay safe man, keep being awesome, but being on the same ground as such people seems like a bad idea - maybe in the future things will be better ❤
I've said it to my friends already. When GGG said they can't wait to see what kind of combos players come up with it was so they could know what to nerf into the ground, not because they actually wanted to see cool interactions. They want all these combos and for players to use skills in conjunction with each other so individually spells and abilities are going to feel like trash. They want this game to play like molasses and I think it's going to bite them in the ass.
GGG:We bring back a fan favorit with a twist. Flask piano, but with skills. They need to stop trying to make us have MMO rotations for clearing.
I was planning to go to one of these builds to push though as it looked much quicker.
I’m in Act 3.
Currently using Spark and dropping 2 Orb of Storms. It’s been pretty effective. But probably not tuned.
Mana Tempest & Conductivity for bosses / rares, but the issue is you really can’t stand still for long to get the DPS before something is falling on your head.
Going to have to work out what to do next
i understand the nerf , but i dont understand them literally killing this gems , they are fun part of the game and much fun to use
there is a way to make it still playable, buy a amulet + body armor with spirit so you have 180 total, then use 3 cast on freeze setups, 1 with impetus, 1 with energy retention and 1 without anything, they buffer nicely like that. Also take both of the meta skill clusters on the tree
That legit took my joy of playing Poe 2.
Nerfing myself by playing a Blood Mage while also trying to find any working build for her was already challenging enough. I'm not going to deal with the gold costs or the rerolling for another build just for it to get nerfed again. It's crazy how they shit on the time people put into the game.
Its a beta dude. Getting it to a proper state takes time...
wtf, its EA u m0rn
why are ppl so damn brain dead nowdays
go play D4
@@Muldeeer If they're gonna nerf our builds into the ground, don't make it expensive to Respec
@@WarsWorth Yeah true, but still, they are doing their best to make this game awesome at a faster pace than anyone else.
I appreciate your 100% honesty. You weren't particularly brutal about it, so upholding the class as always, but you definitely let them know, hey....this ain't right. As you said, we're essentially beta testers....not even essentially, that's what we are. There was no poll, or even a notice of what things were going to be changed, just a unknown patch when launching the game and guess what, build no longer works. Got the Hammer Of The Gods one shotting pretty much every boss in the game, got rangers out here playing like it's POE 1, and we're playing what we thought would be a pretty safe, fun playstyle with none of the benefits and our real only advantage as spellcasters and it gets taken away. There's still power in the build, but it doesn't feel comfortable at all. So before, where we were going a 1/3 of the speed of a ranger, cut that down by another third because now we have to self cast. So we're going pretty much 10% the speed of a ranger, we have probably 20% the power of a warrior.....Where is the benefit of being a spellcaster at this point? (Sorc/Monk) Are we missing something?
Thanks for making this video. I am dead in the water.
Couldn't agree more with your sentiments.
What's worse is what this did to everyone using Meta gems as utility. I was using Cast on Shock to proc Ice Wall Arenas for added defensive blocking of small trash and now I'm back to having no zerg protection.
i don't get why Deadeye is able to just use its skills how you're "supposed" to and it just works but every other class feels terrible and needs to do some degen shit to even play the game and then have it nerfed
You won't like the answer but here goes. The CCP Party member resident at the GGG offices in Auckland has a son who really likes bow characters (and has for years). His favorite class is deadeye in PoE1 and wouldn't you know it, Deadeye in PoE2 is the most overly represented in terms of power on the ladder. Really makes you think huh?
@@bazdarinothebizier9085what a reddit moment. Sure they work 8 years for a game and balance it for a son of one of the members. The other son who liked ice mages is the middle child so who cares
Yeah, no. Deadeye turned to "totem"-like playstyle now instead of bow character, you need to throw lightning rod 3 times or more for bosses ( if u don't have extra proj ) and then attack, and then throw rods again. It's literally worse than totem pigeonhole in poe1 before they removed them xd. We only play it for the damage
That is the thing. If they nerfed the skill, it is to put it more balanced, right? So, what we're supposed to do with cast on anything? They are all useless now. It was the wrong move by a mile
It pisses me off because I spent hours trying characters to finally decide on witch and when I finally hit end game after 80 hours, it gets nerfed..
Apparently, reading the patch notes, we should be able (if they indeed balanced this properly) to get back to a reasonable amount of triggers using a higher-level triggering skill -- Flame Wall, Frost whatever, etc.). Dunno if it works -- I can't test because I semi-abandoned my Sorc yesterday (partly because I saw this coming, and partly because leveling with Spark is tedious as compared to my new toon).
PoE 2 is awful compared to PoE 1. I legit don't understand how people actually enjoy it
I've been saying it was terrible since day one, and then getting shit from all the fanboys who just blindly defended it. So it's nice to see them having a little meltdown after GGG took their toys away.
I don't really understand why respecing is expensive in the first place, like if I want to change my tree at some points it is probably because my build is too weak, which means I have a hard time farming gold
I'm not playing this build but I'm very surprised they nerfed this that much, seems strong, but not OP at all
This feels EXACTLY like season one of Diablo 4 when they absolutely DESTROYED every Sorc build.
This game and the actions of its developers should never remind me of Diablo 4.
Lower respec cost by ~50% for start, allow changing ascendancy and it would be fun to try different things, even if build gets bricked.
I'd rather just have a huge "less damage" mod than a proc rate reduction. The flashiness was fun.
Exactly my thoughts.
Being able to trigger a very high damage Long Casttime skill 5 times per second is not healthy. It OP for PoE2 Standards and deserved a nerf.
You still run around and freeze the whole screen instantly.
Glad they stick to what they want to have in the game and how it's played. And that is not being poe-Machspeed brain off builds.
But being stuck to a build that doesn't work anymore the way you set it out to is not good either
This and more is why I'm going to stop playing EA for a while as they continue to make changes before release.
optimizing after nerfs is fun activity
@@zzrroott6459i have fun playing the builds and not respec for 200k gold in maps from my build, and build new gear, thank you.
@@zzrroott6459 By "optimization" do you mean making a new character? Because any character that used this build is effectively bricked, since you'd have to grind for multiple hours on a shitty half-functioning build to respec lmao
This is literally why it's a beta lol I don't fuckin understand what people did expect from this.
I’m surprised that so many didn’t seem this coming. Even more so that PoE 1 vets didn’t. It’s less that it was overpowered and more so thst a good percentage of builds we’re using this. Every build and class started to look the same. Turn on most streamers, most build showcases on Reddit , etc … what did you see ? Some variation of “cast on xxx” and 5,000 comets falling from the sky. In PoE1 this would’ve lasted a league , and then been nerfed to the ground as well.
The trick GGG has here is figuring out how to make the cast on gems useful without them taking over every build in the game
Seems to me they are balancing the game like this is diablo.
diablo is doing the complete ooposite by not nerfing anything at all even when its 10x stronger (spiritborn)
GGG have a really bad history at Balancing anything
worst take on herr
I was playing invoker monk with elemental expression as a ailments procer. After the nerf it doesn't do enough damage to proc any ailments. A level 16 skill granted from an ascendancy does ... 30dps with 60% support gem dmg.
Typical ggg move tbh, hey all the no lifers have had their fun with it nerf to the ground. The only people who suffer are the casuals. I know it’s still early access and it’s not even been a week but boy ggg aren’t doing themselves any favors in actually keeping any players
Wish fundamental changes like these are only applied seasonally, at the very least we as a community would be expecting sweeping changes and have the mindset for it when it lands
Poe 1 reset still being 2.5 months away has me depressed.
100% agree, the respec costs should be lower for EA so we can have a better testing environment. Once the game is more reflective of the balance they're looking for, they could just turn that knob and put the costs back up.
They keep changing stuff because it’s not the vision they have and I totally get that. With that said I feel like they somehow need to tell us what that vision is…
what am I suppose to play then: spark build? boring af... also why should I respec or even start playing another class where's there's no guarantee I won't end up in this exact same situation again?
also ppl complains mainly about golds needed for skills but sockets on gems? gear? it's not like you find valuable mats every 2 mins...
They should really allow a free respec.
It feels bad to get nerfed, but It's early access and almost every build was going for same mechanic. If you want close to finished game wait for launch. Maybe they should temporarily lower respec cost.