Japanese Learning Resources #3: Remembering the Kanji by Heisig!!
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- Опубліковано 12 гру 2024
- This is the first in a two part series where I break down my opinions as a avid Japanese learner on if the Heisig method of learning Kanji (Remembering The Kanji) is actually worth your time, and how to implement it into your regular study regimen! Struggle with Kanji? Feel like you can't remember it all? This book just might be what you need! Here's my review: Heisig's Remembering the Kanji!
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Gotta learn to write! It does something to your brain... A good thing. Also, being able to school your japanese friends when you catch them writing a kanji out of order scores major points. ;)
Oh hey I just started RTK!!:D I've been doing 10 kanji a day, and so far I'm really liking it, it comes super naturally. I'm excited to see your vid next week too because I'm not doing this in a classroom, all my advice comes from asknative and subreddits ahaha.actually, I just finished the te-form chapter, your vid rocked my man
Hey thanks man! Te's kicked my butt for the longest time until I learned those tricks in that video :P Keep kicked fanny, freddy! :D
It worked for me. Once I hit 1,000 I brought it down to 5 since N2 only requires about that many, and I'm 12 months out from that test so no need to rush. But I'm still on 10 words a day!
I’ve always been on the fence with this book honestly. I guess I should try the free version and if it works buck up and buy the darn thing!
Hey buddy, love your vids! Love what you said about writing English now-a-days ahaha! It's actually quite true. Sad but true. Thanks for the review. Have started on this book recently. Thanks again
I'm gonna be doing the Kodansha's Kanji Course instead of RTK, but I'm going to be learning all of them FIRST (not the readings) while setting up an immersion environment for Japanese before I jump into actually learning the language (a la AJATT). Thanks for the review!
Best of luck Christina!
I currently do 30 kanji per day, because I know that I would just stop at some point if the progress is not fast enough. So I can't really use it as supplement, because the workload is already pretty high :'D
Just saying. I love handwriting.
Awesome vidd!
Thanks man!
Great video! I found out about the Remembering the Kanji books from Matt vs. Japan, and I'm glad to see others love the books.
Strongly disagree on the "not writing it by hand" bit, even if we are in the 21st century (actually, I say *BECAUSE* of that).
Speaking from personal experience, writing it out by hand *AT LEAST ONCE* (not repeatedly over and over until it's engraved in your mind) helps it stick more than if you just type it on a phone or computer. You get a physical feel for what you're working with rather than an intangible image.
Also, depending on what you're gonna use Japanese for, you may still have to fill out forms and stuff by hand. Think about it. If you go to the doctor's office for a checkup, do they give you an ipad? (I mean, yours might, but I don't know any). Also, written signatures are pretty much forever. And while I'm not one for comparing how adults learn to read and write compared to a child, they still write their names on their honework.
Now, you might just be learning a little bit for fun, and in that case, go ahead. But if you wanna get serious (and I imagine you are if you picked up Remembering the Kanji), you're gonna have to do a bit of physical writing by hand. Again, not writing it over and over repeatedly, but at least just once to get a feel of it.
Hey man I appreciate your input! I still disagree. I'm pretty serious about Japanese since it's kind of my job haha and I've never learnt any writing of it. I can read and community and even work in Japan without any English just fine. So I don't think it's necessary still for memorization at all. But I can appreciate your frankness and candor for wanting to maintain that piece and I think you, and anyone reading your comment who agrees to should to do it 100%! :D
I may be wrong and I'm totally okay with this. haha I'm not above it and embrace failure pretty often because I learn from it. But I've passed the N2, started several businesses inside of Japan working with Japanese people and even went to an all Japanese program in school in Japan and never had to learn to write kanji. So even though I maintain my position, I respect and honor yours dude! Also Matt is a really cool guy. Listen to him :)
How do you read the kanji
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enjoy the P.O box :)
I actually teared up. Dude thank you so much.
Hey, Chad!! You’ve got a great channel. You’re a great speaker. Thanks so much for your enthusiasm and energy! Quick question: did you invest in Memrise Premium for your kanji work? Trying to decide if it’s worth the doll hairs. Dollars. Worth the dollars.
Jennifer Holeman thanks Jennifer!! I try really hard ^_^ I actually have! I paid for several months just to be able to give my opinion on it: honestly I didn’t find enough value to warrant paying for it back then. I know they’ve updated it recently and to be fair I haven’t tried the new updated paid version, but if it’s anything like the old, I’d save your money for something more worth while personally! But that’s just my ¥2!
Chad Zimmerman Thanks so much for the quick reply!! Yes, from the other reviews i have seen on Memrise, the older version was not much to write home about, but I have been very impressed with what the newer version has to offer just for the free version : funny, memorable videos of native speakers, master vocabulary list for what you’ve been learning (something that Duolingo lacks which drives me crazy XP), the “point your camera at the backpack on the floor and it tells you how to say backpack in the target language O.O” feature. I have heard other Japanese learners use it in conjunction with Remembering the Kanji and didn’t know if those custom “decks” could only be accessed at the Premium level. Sorry, I am rambling now, haha. Thanks again for your input. Recent subscriber!! Looking forward to learning more about Japan with you!!
@@jenniferholeman2957 In the long run I personally still wouldn't use those features myself, but I wouldn't mind giving it another try for a month and doing a video about my thoughts!
I am actually using its pure gold
I was wondering if you've ever used the Kodansha Kanji Learner's course as I've heard it been referred to as a better version of Heisig's RTK
Not yet, but buying now because I'm ALWAYS looking for good kanji resources!
I'm removing these for self promotion. If you want to edit it and just leave the opinion and information than feel free.
Chad Zimmerman did you end up buying it? What are your thoughts on it vs RTK?
I just got the two books, and the second one kinda confuses me. Like 90% of the book just shows the kana that will be used in some compound with other words, but not if its used alone. Is that normal? Like the second one in the book is 女 but it doesnt show おんな, it just says め. Am I missing something? Or should I just focus on those compounds?
I actually never used the second book, and most of the learners I've spoken to who did use book 1 and 3 never used 2. I just learned the readings by actually learning words from my textbooks once I was able to remember and connect the dots of the kanji! Sorry!
Ok, I've heard you make this claim before, and idk what you're talking about as far as native Japanese people only knowing 1k kanji. I'm reading a light novel with 1.6k distinct kanji, and furigana are basically limited to names and jouyougai kanji/readings. I think native Japanese adults who went through high school can comfortably read 2k+ kanji easily based on furigana usage in native Japanese material.
On the other hand, maybe 1k is closer to accurate for being able to handwrite. Idk? I'm a bit skeptical you get through handwriting essays in high school without a higher level of kanji ability than just the kyouiku kanji.
Idk would be interested in some actual studies on this, maybe I'll look for some later.
Its a number that you hear pretty constantly from Japanese people I’ve talked to over the last 9 years or so. Most can recognize quite a bit to some extent or another, meaning they might know what it means but not how to read it, they know how to read it but not what it means, they know both what it means and how to read it (although they may not know which reading in a certain context), they also may know it perfectly well, and I’ve had plenty of adults tell me when we go out to drink at an izakaya they’ve never seen a kanji I point to before xD
The 1,000 number I bring up often is around what most japanese people can recognize both it’s reading and meaning. It becomes a gradient often after that :)
I'm considering buying this book but I couldn't find an answer to how u learn how to read after that, do u read things that have furigana and that's how you figure it out ? the more you read the more you learn ? Or do you use textbooks for that
I watched the other video tho but still couldn't understand ): u say it's waste of time learning how to read kanji because you might never read them in the first place so I thought maybe you relying on reading to know that
This book helps you distinguish 2200 kanji and exactly how to write them. You are then given a keyword or "image" in your head of what the kanji is relating to. So after RTK, vocab is said to be easier in remembering the kanji itself, apart from the rest and remember your given keyword or image. What I plan on doing after I finish; Tae Kim's Guide Grammer guide... and then start sentence mining and adding vocab through Subs2srs and Manga/Novels etc. Check out MattvsJapan
Grant K thanks!
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Welcome to the family ^_^
But how am i supposed to know their pronunciations?
This resource isn't for that. You learn their pronunciations as you go about your regular learning process. This simply is to be able to differentiate the kanji's easily from one another and form solidified meanings to help build word pictures in your head for the radicals for memorization.
I'll give you a very basic example you can scale up: in the book you learn 猫 means cat. So when you then go into a resource to learn, say, either a book you encounter that kanji in, or a word list that is teaching you the word, you'll see the kana ねこ somewhere involving the kanji (either in the form of furigana above the kanji, or in the column of the word you're learning in a dictionary). So, you know it means cat from this book, and now from that main learning resource you know cat means ねこ, so then you can draw the conclusion that ねこ = 猫. That's how you learn a reading. And you can keep learning things with multiple readings by just learning vocab as you normally would from either means. This book isn't for learning the pronunciations, it's just to remember the kanji in your head as separate them from similar looking kanji.
There are additional RTK books that say they teach you pronunciation but I find them way less helpful than just doing whatever main method of language acquisition you choose. Be it a class, a textbook or an app.
@@ThatsMyChad I understand now.Thank u so much for your time.
@@vladouki4066 Sorry if it wasn't as clear in the video I try my best but I'm not much of a teacher ^_^
hope this helps!
Gotta do it, First! Yaldo 🙃
Hey man I've never even gotten a first! So get yours in while you can! :D
That's a really good assessment of RTK! I personally didn't use that method (I used Kanji in Context), so I don't think you need a RTK-type method. I will say that Kanji in Context was much more technical and not as imaginative, so I could see why a lot of people would prefer RTK. Personally, I preferred learning through vocabulary since it allows you to learn the readings and meanings of words that use the kanji. Knowing those 2 things, I felt learning the kanji meaning was unnecessary, since you can infer meaning using the kanji vocab you learned. Not saying I would recommend KIC over RTK, since it really depends on how you like to learn, just giving an alternative method.
Also FYI, I heard there's a website called kanjidamage.com that has a method pretty much identical to RTK except all the stories are already laid out and it incorporates the on/kun yomis and gives vocab examples. Plus it's free, so if you're tight on cash it might be worth checking out. I haven't used it, so I can't comment on what it's like to use the method, but I've heard good things so I figured I'd throw it out there.
I agree the book is good for learning to RECOGNISE the kanji. If you really want to be able to PRODUCE them, you should get a Kanji Writing app. They are fun and teach you the correct stroke order. And you will soon find out that you don't REALLY remember the kanji from the book. It's just another step to do consolidate your learning.
Ok, I'm going to tell you why it's bad to suggest learning how to write is useless, at least for the first 500-ish kanji.
Here's what will happen: they'll learn Japanese without really remembering the kanji, then they'll might want to go to a Japanese language school in Japan, enroll in a Japanese university or get a normal job, not as an English teacher, and BAM: they'll be screwed because they'll have to go back and learn all the kanji. This is especially true in language schools, where they'll put them in a lower level class just because they can't write enough kanji, they'll get bored of the material because they already know it, but still can't pass if they can't write.
Also, the less you write, the worse your handwriting will be in those instances where you'll have to write, which will happen if you live in Japan. Just saying :/
I went to several different language schools with no problems. I also worked in Japan no teaching English. I never studied how to write kanji and I'm fine.
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@@ThatsMyChad it's scientifically proven that you retain more information when you write things down by hand via learning it through electronic means.
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Ok.... "kanji" in plural is "kanji" , it is not an English word, and an other thing, "i'm lazy i won't write and make up stories" well know that making flash cards yourself and not using premade crap helps you memorize them better and faster , a last thing speaking japanese in english is disgusting and makes you "not so cridible".