....you been an economists, first activist journalist, politician, writer,...have I left out any thing...? ...Adit's father...anithas husband... That was so movie ...I had tears Respect to this great man...
I admire the man! I felt very disheartened when he quit BJP. The interview been an enlightening one. At start I felt this could turn in to a controversial one, but the discussion was very methodical and slowly it moved on to how we should move ahead as a society. Madhu Trehan *hugs* for the way you conduct interviews.... Especially loved Karan Thappar one... :)
Didn't he resign when BJP expelled Jaswant Singh? I think he said that to a reporter then... If he hasn't quit, that's good. Clearly he isn't actively involved though :(
anup nair Yes! He had issues with Rajnath and he did not like how Jaswant singh was expelled. he is actively involved right now. but more against Cong. than for Modi. he had also stated in another interview that he had informed Manmohan about the impending 2G danger before the papers were signed and that he was extremely distraught by Manmahon's lack of courage to stand up against Raja n co. & had lost all the respect he had for Manmohan But yeah...he is one of my favs too.
27:14 *HE"S SPEWING ABSOLUTE GARBAGE!* That's such a stupid defense of Advani's hate politics! Disappointed to hear this garbage from Arun Shourie! I'm pretty sure he regrets enabling hate politics of Hindutva now!
If there were an un-biased "professional" Media, the so-called "Internet Hindus" would never have come into existence or have grown this big into an alternate journalism.
Incredible interview of Arun by Madhu! I absolutely love the way Arun puts his arguments in a systemic way to identify the needs for religions to evolve and how Hinduism is a way of life rather than a diktat of a book to be blindly followed with reason. As a Hindu, I feel proud to have people like Arun and Madhu articulating the beauty of Hinduism very well, particularly when Arun says that nothing in Hinduism is beyond critique and reason and that is how it needs be in all religions.
Wow, what an intellectual gem! Loved the way he explained how communism as an ideology has become obsolete in public discourse of late. Only an ideology can defeat another ideology. What a beautiful thought!
27:14 *HE"S SPEWING ABSOLUTE GARBAGE!* That's such a stupid defense of Advani's hate politics! Disappointed to hear this garbage from Arun Shourie! I'm pretty sure he regrets enabling hate politics of Hindutva now!
OMG! Arun Shourie and Madhu Trehan, both these Indians have hit it out of the park. This interview cum discussion is PURE GOLD. All patriot Indians shall watch it over and over again except anti-India traitors like Munavar Rana, BurQa, Sardesai, Mahesh Batt, K Thapar, Pappu Gnadhi, and many many more.
Newslaundry is doing great work. For last 15-20 days i have seen all the interviews especially of Can You Take it ... i am a fan of Arun Shourie for quite long and now i have become of Madhu Trehan as well. promod
As the first crusader journalist of modern India, who dared to take-on and investigate in exposing the misdeeds in the high offices in our country, thereby inspiring a new generation of journalism in India, help inspire an independent school of journalists/journalism, a learned man who contributed in many walks of life - Economics, Governance, Journalism, Religion, but above all - a Fine Human Being.....truly a Bharat Ratna. My nomination for Bharat Ratna.
In Hinduism each person can be a vehicle to realize the ultimate reality/Truth/Sat (and they were like the numerous rishis/munis/sadhus) while in Abrahamic religions they need a Messiah, Prophet or Son of God. They have to be 'told' what Truth is. So whatever is 'told' is sacred, sacrosanct and cannot be refuted. Ideas/mentalities of people stem from this HUGE difference in how one views religion/spirituality.
Listening to this interview is an uplifting way to end the weekend. Arun Shourie is probably the most ideal role model an Indian can have today. It is a misfortune of the country that we are not able to fully utilise his intellect and nobility.
When News Laundry was actually unbias. You feel ashamed when you look at what content it produces now, I understand it may be pop culture shit they have become. Now NL has become just another troll channel
By watching this interview, I have no doubt that Shri Arun Shourie ji has great refined intellect and understanding. He should be utilised in whichever form by the next BJP government.
Arun Shourie sounds like a man who have his heart in the right place. And he believes in the kind of work he is doing unlike others who fakes it. Probably that become one of the reason why he quit BJP he must have enrolled in the party thinking that they will Channel his energy in right direction but as soon as he realised that now even BJP wants to mimic Islamists he must have felt that he is either being misused or BJP is no longer a place he should be.
Madhu ji, thank you for wonderful interviews. I went through interviews of Karan Thapar, Rajdeep, Ravish Kumar, Talveen Singh & now Mr. Shouri. Out of all these journalists, only Shouri is only & still bigot. Sometimes, ask him following questions - 1. He got 18000 pages & translators to understand Quran & Fatwa but he didn't get copy of Manusmruti. 2. He wrote worshipping False god but he didn't examine White & Black Yajurveda & Purushsukta, which was examined by Dr. Ambedkar. He asks us to learn from traditions but did he ever examine Hindu religion & traditions? 3. Each village in India is nothing less than a Ashwitz camp for OBCs, Dalits, NTs-DNTs. Yes, like Quran or Fatwa, no one read Manusmruti (including Mr. Shouri) but it is followed wholeheartedly. 4. Bigotry won over erudite Shouri in such gamaut that he critisizes Khap Panchayat but didn't point of 'Father' of Khaps i.e. RSS. 5. He is trying to paint himself very tolerant & saintly person but he even don't know that Jainism was existed even before Vaidik (Hinduism) Dharma. So Jainism isn't offshoot of Hinduism. 5. Likewise, Buddhism & Vidikism (i.e. Hinduism) are north & south Pole apart in their scriptures. One day I would love to meet Mr. Shouri and write an article on him as how to remain bigot through out life! So there's no difference between internet Hindu and Mr. Shouri except way of presenting the points.
So his observation and somewhat critical analysis of quran and hadith makes him a bigot and for this you counter him by asking him to study manusmriti the usal rss gibresh and what not ?It is amusing that you mention Ambedkar maybe you should also read regarding ambedkar obsevation of quran and Islam ..and how does his analysis of quran and hadith compel him to study hindu scriptures ,Many historians have done critical analysis of hindu scriptures so it a pre restique for them to study islamic quran too ? They are not termed bigots rather scholars ..have the capacity and capability to understand not get emotionally charged because here the one is questioning aspects of islamic scriptures
more than interview it was her best lecture of "Hindutva" and so for us... Best interview... What a man with great heart!! well done Madhu Trehan, You are the eye opener for main stream media that like everybody you also don't like what some hindus abuses everyone on internet but i liked the way you tried to understand so called internet Hindus. Please be gentle, be kind, listen to others thats Hinduism. Don't let our religion down.
Thank you so much Madhu for voicing questions that the majority Hindus find pertinent in today's day and time. I am tired of Hindus not asserting our incredible culture and values of peace and harmony more vocally. Hindus must assert themselves more to show how all religions and communities must and can live peacefully with each other and treat the world as a family (Vasudhev Katumbhakam). We should be proud of ourselves.
And there she sat like a schoolgirl, looking at him with adoring eyes, while unconsciously giving away her anti-muslim bias and religious fundamentalism for all to savour. So mesmerized she was that she forgot the difference between an Indian and a Hindu. Launder yourself first Madhu!
For every such discussion, there are numerous hate comments. Most common ones are "these people does not know anything about Quran, Hadis etc and they have no right to say anything like this" . I have a request to such people. Let's assume for once that these people are wrong. Why don't you falsify all the arguments presented objectively and with proof.. Nobody is stopping you from doing that.. if they have an argument you have an equal right to counter that.. But instead what I only see is disgusting words, abuse...
On the subject of the Internet Hindu debate: There is also an army of 'Intellectual Hindus' who try to reason with the radicals with a rational comment(s), which I believe helps calm some nerves and encourage rational thinking. Here is a random thought that i would like to share with you all - Can the Govt gift its citizens some sort of a perk in tax exemption of 25% or 50% during the month of August ( our month of Independence ) If the particular state or country (more tax benefits) has experienced NO communal violence. This will definitely be motivation for communal harmony :o)
Ohhhhhh.... pls don't buy this shit of internet hindus, its just a divisive tactic of these new breed journos.. it was coined by Sagarika, which explain Hindus as abusive, aggressive people over internet.. These people are used to the passive, non-reactive people and if we respond, we become internet Hindus, just like how the term 'saffron terrorism' was coined.. Don't even bother to fall for this trick. We are one as a nation, in spirit and letter!
What a superb interview. Can Arun Shourie take it ? Yes ! I wish though that he would do more than just teach us. I wish there was a way for him to practice it.
This is top class, simply top class journalism !! Wow, this is an in-depth, low-decibel, high content interview like no other I have seen in the Indian media. Great job #newslaundry
A very nice interview, and my thanks to Madhu Trehan for being brave and honest and giving us a refreshing departure from the drivel one gets to see on English News channels - on CNN-IBN and NDTV, in particular.
Arun Shourie then was talking a different tone - when he had ministership dreams (under Modi). Now when Modi crushed those dreams, Shourie curses Modi all the time. Just shows how small a man - despite great god given talent - can be.
Enjoyed the discussion. The subject of internet hindus was perhaps interrogated out of context. I personally think hindus have taken internet as a medium of expressing their anger towards so called secular government and some media houses.
Madhu I am a big Fan of yours since Newstrack days, Please make Newloundry a big Digital channel, your voice should be heard i believe, People like us who like truth to be heard doesn't have resources which you have, I want to be a part of of that in any small way can contribute
Very nice to see Arun Shourie I always quote phrases he coined in 1982(The Indian Express)and earlier that is : POLITICS OF PANDERING a n d 420 AND MORE etc.
I deny the word internet hindu. We are hindus who were always there but erupted when one of us became chankya, shivaji, maharana pratap, gandhiji, swami vivekanand many more too save from outside extremism. We only become part of indian history saved our land and tradition.
Nice take by Arunji on the 2002 riots. Seriously it's easy to point fingers at Modi but when you are at that point when everyone is berserk in riots it's very hard to think rationally and keep yourself organized. Commendable job by Modi though to handle the riots and none such thing in past 13 years. Too bad the Indian Media sells-out too quickly. Riots happen in a split of a second due to years upon years of suppression towards the Hindus by almost everyone. Things have reached to a boiling point off late which resulted in Babri demolition and what not. Personally I blame Congress and their appeasement policies post-transfer-of-power in 1947. But more importantly us Hindus must also try to keep calm in most situations. Hopefully he can serve as a minister if the BJP wins the general elections in a few months.
Interesting discussion. Two comments: 1. There are reliable and unreliable hadiths. Who issued the Fatwa? A Sunni or Shii’ite Sheikh? The interviewer is asking suggestive questions e.g. “How people are saying it is a book of prace?” @9:40. Not the kind of question to ask a writer using facts and evidence to argue against the fatwas issued by Indian Sheikhs.
Overall, it was a good discussion. But, when it was about islam, they were not clear enough because of their shortcomings. Can someone say after following 'internet hindus' that hinduism is uncouth, they don't let anyone disagree or having different opinion? No, you can not. In the same way, you can not judge islam after observing some muslims.First, I am not from the 'Hindi belt', the reason I mention will be clear later in my writing. I don't know why many north Indians stuck with the word 'fatwa'. Perhaps that's what the NI muslims use for their advantage /disadvantage in their day-to-day lives, it seems. 'Fatwa' simply means 'Opinion' or ''Advisory Opinion". Its given when a questioner asks for it [Fawa-Advisory Opinion]. So, that depends upon the way he frames the question, if he is clever enough, to have it in his favour. This is the 'Fatwa' thing. To continue, I too read that story and followed it up that AlAzher ulema giving a 'Fatwa' about the 'breast-feeding' of a non-relative male. That is totally ill-constructed or mis-construed, played for the gallery or out of their ignorance about the matter, I think, in their conversation.And, 1 more thing Madhu Trehan brought up was about an athlete giving penance by "feeding 1008 people" is completely wrong, either by that muslim athlete who was about to do that or Madhu reading too much in the internet blogs about 'backward muslims'. If one has to skip a day of fasting due to certain circumstances, he/she has to compensate it in some other time within that 'Islamic year', i.e., 330 days approx. before the next Ramadhan starts. If he/she is not physically/medically unfit to fast, they can compensate by feeding 1 to 40 poor people as per their capacity. More interesting is when Madhu asking why didn't MF Hussain want to draw Allah or Mohammed? That is where, I don't know why or how, most of the genius are get flummoxed. Where will one can show a authentic picture of Allah or Mohammed? If Madhu had one, she could have sent it to the painter and asked him to draw them 'naked' and he would've done it - perhaps for a sum or for art. So, where is the question of drawing someone naked arises when there is no 'pratima' -i.e., “natasyapratimaasti“. Funny geniuses.
The so called secular education by the Congress for past 60 plus years has gone to ridiculous extent of even calling Yoga non-secular. This is why most hindus today do not understand their own religion. Hardly any have read the Bhagwat Geetha which they think is to be read only at the deathbed! I live in US. A school in California objected to teaching of Yoga as it was deemed "hindu" teaching. The matter went to court which decided that Yoga had nothing to do with Hinduism as it is now scientifically proven to be good for one's physical well being and can be taught in schools. In the same context, some years ago a bill was sought to be introduced in Indian Parliament making Yoga compulsory in school. The matter was struck down by a Congress led govt as it was considered non-secular. You can't teach Yoga in the place of its birth but it is taught everywhere in USA. What a shame!
Dear Madhu Trehan.............the question you raised at the end of the program......i would like to answer in words of Arun Shourie and i think your concern is absolutely right and we have to bring transformation ourselves but also we have to stand by anything wrong and if needed we can be violent......this is what Gita says.....violence is not just violence cause of weapons but cause of the intentions behind it.
Most hindus do not understand true "hinduism" or "sanatana dharma" as it is better called. When manusmriti talks of duties of varnas, it is talking from a different point of view. In ancient India, a brahmin was not just born a brahmin. He became one by long years of scriptural studies, self-restraint. He is an educator, a teacher, a performer of "vedic ceremonies". The society looked upon him with awe and respect much like a society would look upon a nobel laureate today (in India, the standards have fallen so low that the place has been usurped by bollywood actors and cricketers). Ancient India was great because the best among these brahmins from time to time gave instructions known as "Smritis" or "Sutras" that told the society how to conduct itself. These varied with time and place. These were kind of guide to the rulers of that time. Manusmriti was one such. It was not binding on the king but latter took such instructions seriously. There was a check and balance with knowledge of the brahmin keeping the 'power" of the Kshatriya (the warrior class) in check. But manusmriti is also severe on transgressions of a brahmin much more than by other castes. When Manu says a shudra who hears Vedas should have molten was poured into his ears (not sure it is true as I can't find the original quote in sanskrit), he would have meant that true knowledge should not fall into false hands. This is like Osama bin laden having knowledge to make nuclear weapons. Today we worry about such weapons falling into hands of Taliban. Ancient Rishis took care to not only preserve but protect such knowledge. Vedas are not understood by Indians of today as they have no knowledge of Vedic sanskrit (which is even different from classic sanskrit which some of us may understand). It is deeply symbolic with lot of mysticism, mantras etc that do not make sense today but did in ancient times.
One must avoid these "Lutyens' Delhi" geniuses. Or even better shifting our nation's capital to some other place. They are enjoying the total wealth comes from across the country. Whoever settled in NCR, finds a way to be near the 'corridors of power' to stuck and suck on.
I watched this when it came out. I’m watching it again after all this time. It’s too bad Shourie ji couldn’t fit into Modi’s BJP. Both are poorer for it.
Its refreshing to see such intelligent conversation between a media person and a veteran author and political analyst. There is some intellectual hope from Indian Media :) As for her personal attitude, I see an unsurity. Her interrogation about Biasness towards Hinduism, lacks significant conviction (does she really mean, when she says, ¨why not paint Alah?!¨) Anyways, its a refreshing change, of course futile banalness of bashing Modi, is a virus infection, no media can relinquish!!
when we think Vedas,bible,Quran or any scriptures are absolute(words of Gods) without considering the time,society at that time when they wrote-we will definitely get in to problems.We have to reinterpret or rewrite according the present circumstances.Every religion require reform we cant apply BC period,1 AD,7AD laws in present society.Whichever religion lag-behind in reforming and struct to the values which are not confirm to the present society will cause chaos in society As a Hindu atheist(questioning of existence of god is a part of Hindu thought-ex;samkhya philosophy)it is ultimately human wisdom will decides the nature of society
+narahari javaji sure, but vedas--as you know are mostly highlighting principles of this universe...so, much of it is to be understood and the truth there is not limited to any time or age
Hello Madhu, first of all thank you very much....I really enjoyed the whole interview...and please keep it up a good work...However, let me tell you one thing, this is not a time "If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also"...this is a time to retaliate in such a way that nobody dares to strike you once again....Jai Hind...Vande Mataram...
sadly Hindus do this very rarely do which they should be doing more often. but if you see the other side, all crap is cooked up and taught to Indian muslims about hinduism due to the fear of losing loyalty. ask any muslim he talks as if he's an authority on indic dharma. wonder how!
....you been an economists, first activist journalist, politician, writer,...have I left out any thing...?
...Adit's father...anithas husband...
That was so movie ...I had tears
Respect to this great man...
yeah, same here kind of sad and happy same time when he said adits father anithas husband...
This is the most sensible conversation I've ever heard on religion, social order, politics, communism and journalism... Such a treat...
I admire the man! I felt very disheartened when he quit BJP.
The interview been an enlightening one. At start I felt this could turn in to a controversial one, but the discussion was very methodical and slowly it moved on to how we should move ahead as a society.
Madhu Trehan *hugs* for the way you conduct interviews.... Especially loved Karan Thappar one... :)
He never left BJP dude! he is still with them. But yeah there was friction and clashes of opinions between him and certain party members
Didn't he resign when BJP expelled Jaswant Singh? I think he said that to a reporter then...
If he hasn't quit, that's good. Clearly he isn't actively involved though :(
anup nair Yes! He had issues with Rajnath and he did not like how Jaswant singh was expelled. he is actively involved right now. but more against Cong. than for Modi. he had also stated in another interview that he had informed Manmohan about the impending 2G danger before the papers were signed and that he was extremely distraught by Manmahon's lack of courage to stand up against Raja n co. & had lost all the respect he had for Manmohan
But yeah...he is one of my favs too.
27:14 *HE"S SPEWING ABSOLUTE GARBAGE!* That's such a stupid defense of Advani's hate politics! Disappointed to hear this garbage from Arun Shourie! I'm pretty sure he regrets enabling hate politics of Hindutva now!
@@bobinpune he talking sense unlike you
this is a best discussion I have ever watched! Very well Put Arun Shourie! Appreciate Madhu for bringing out such a wonderful interview!
If there were an un-biased "professional" Media, the so-called "Internet Hindus" would never have come into existence or have grown this big into an alternate journalism.
wow, what an interview, the best i have ever witnessed so far. every moment of this piece is precious and should be practiced.
Arun Shourie is an intellectual asset to the nation. It is delight to hear him on any topic at any time.
🤣 he is poop intellectual
I feel, Arun Shourie is one of the finest human beings, evolved to the highest degree. I pray for him and all those who are dear to him.
A very well conducted interview...wide range of topics, and very very informative. Thank You Madhu Trehan.
This was a brain stimulating interview.
Incredible interview of Arun by Madhu! I absolutely love the way Arun puts his arguments in a systemic way to identify the needs for religions to evolve and how Hinduism is a way of life rather than a diktat of a book to be blindly followed with reason. As a Hindu, I feel proud to have people like Arun and Madhu articulating the beauty of Hinduism very well, particularly when Arun says that nothing in Hinduism is beyond critique and reason and that is how it needs be in all religions.
Wow, what an intellectual gem! Loved the way he explained how communism as an ideology has become obsolete in public discourse of late. Only an ideology can defeat another ideology. What a beautiful thought!
27:14 *HE"S SPEWING ABSOLUTE GARBAGE!* That's such a stupid defense of Advani's hate politics! Disappointed to hear this garbage from Arun Shourie! I'm pretty sure he regrets enabling hate politics of Hindutva now!
the most beautiful and the most enlightening interviews i have watched in a long time.
Thank you madhu for this Interview. he is the BEST!!! this is how a journalist should be.. we stopped reading INDIAN EXPRESS once he left!
"Please be humble and learn from others too" ...................last words from the interview.
OMG! Arun Shourie and Madhu Trehan, both these Indians have hit it out of the park. This interview cum discussion is PURE GOLD. All patriot Indians shall watch it over and over again except anti-India traitors like Munavar Rana, BurQa, Sardesai, Mahesh Batt, K Thapar, Pappu Gnadhi, and many many more.
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This was Newslaundry? Unbelievable. I can't imagine it being this unbiased.
A great inspiring, thought-provoking interview.
one of the best that i have seen and definitely among the most enlightening. Thank you arun shourieji, i can never forget you.
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Newslaundry is doing great work. For last 15-20 days i have seen all the interviews especially of Can You Take it ... i am a fan of Arun Shourie for quite long and now i have become of Madhu Trehan as well.
promod
As the first crusader journalist of modern India, who dared to take-on and investigate in exposing the misdeeds in the high offices in our country, thereby inspiring a new generation of journalism in India, help inspire an independent school of journalists/journalism, a learned man who contributed in many walks of life - Economics, Governance, Journalism, Religion, but above all - a Fine Human Being.....truly a Bharat Ratna. My nomination for Bharat Ratna.
In Hinduism each person can be a vehicle to realize the ultimate reality/Truth/Sat (and they were like the numerous rishis/munis/sadhus) while in Abrahamic religions they need a Messiah, Prophet or Son of God. They have to be 'told' what Truth is. So whatever is 'told' is sacred, sacrosanct and cannot be refuted. Ideas/mentalities of people stem from this HUGE difference in how one views religion/spirituality.
Listening to this interview is an uplifting way to end the weekend. Arun Shourie is probably the most ideal role model an Indian can have today. It is a misfortune of the country that we are not able to fully utilise his intellect and nobility.
Wow! Such a mind opening discourse, Shourie is national treasure. Trehan did wonderful job.
When News Laundry was actually unbias. You feel ashamed when you look at what content it produces now, I understand it may be pop culture shit they have become.
Now NL has become just another troll channel
Beautiful thoughts overall. He probably did not understand the term 'internet Hindu'.
Neeraj Atri ji 8 yrs ago, Nice to see you here!
Atri Sir. Haha not surprised.
By watching this interview, I have no doubt that Shri Arun Shourie ji has great refined intellect and understanding. He should be utilised in whichever form by the next BJP government.
oh and he is a very strong & a brave man, someone that can inspire you tremendously should you know about him in a little great detail!
terrific interview!!
loved every minute of it
Arun Shourie sounds like a man who have his heart in the right place.
And he believes in the kind of work he is doing unlike others who fakes it.
Probably that become one of the reason why he quit BJP he must have enrolled in the party thinking that they will Channel his energy in right direction but as soon as he realised that now even BJP wants to mimic Islamists he must have felt that he is either being misused or BJP is no longer a place he should be.
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Madhu ji, thank you for wonderful interviews. I went through interviews of Karan Thapar, Rajdeep, Ravish Kumar, Talveen Singh & now Mr. Shouri.
Out of all these journalists, only Shouri is only & still bigot. Sometimes, ask him following questions -
1. He got 18000 pages & translators to understand Quran & Fatwa but he didn't get copy of Manusmruti.
2. He wrote worshipping False god but he didn't examine White & Black Yajurveda & Purushsukta, which was examined by Dr. Ambedkar. He asks us to learn from traditions but did he ever examine Hindu religion & traditions?
3. Each village in India is nothing less than a Ashwitz camp for OBCs, Dalits, NTs-DNTs. Yes, like Quran or Fatwa, no one read Manusmruti (including Mr. Shouri) but it is followed wholeheartedly.
4. Bigotry won over erudite Shouri in such gamaut that he critisizes Khap Panchayat but didn't point of 'Father' of Khaps i.e. RSS.
5. He is trying to paint himself very tolerant & saintly person but he even don't know that Jainism was existed even before Vaidik (Hinduism) Dharma. So Jainism isn't offshoot of Hinduism.
5. Likewise, Buddhism & Vidikism (i.e. Hinduism) are north & south Pole apart in their scriptures.
One day I would love to meet Mr. Shouri and write an article on him as how to remain bigot through out life! So there's no difference between internet Hindu and Mr. Shouri except way of presenting the points.
So his observation and somewhat critical analysis of quran and hadith makes him a bigot and for this you counter him by asking him to study manusmriti the usal rss gibresh and what not ?It is amusing that you mention Ambedkar maybe you should also read regarding ambedkar obsevation of quran and Islam ..and how does his analysis of quran and hadith compel him to study hindu scriptures ,Many historians have done critical analysis of hindu scriptures so it a pre restique for them to study islamic quran too ? They are not termed bigots rather scholars ..have the capacity and capability to understand not get emotionally charged because here the one is questioning aspects of islamic scriptures
more than interview it was her best lecture of "Hindutva" and so for us... Best interview... What a man with great heart!! well done Madhu Trehan, You are the eye opener for main stream media that like everybody you also don't like what some hindus abuses everyone on internet but i liked the way you tried to understand so called internet Hindus. Please be gentle, be kind, listen to others thats Hinduism. Don't let our religion down.
Marvellous Interview with one of the most right-thinking intellectuals and researchers of India. 👍
Thank you so much Madhu for voicing questions that the majority Hindus find pertinent in today's day and time. I am tired of Hindus not asserting our incredible culture and values of peace and harmony more vocally. Hindus must assert themselves more to show how all religions and communities must and can live peacefully with each other and treat the world as a family (Vasudhev Katumbhakam). We should be proud of ourselves.
Just cant stop admiring this Gentleman.
Whenever I read him, I wonder why is such a great man not in our Govts or have power.
And there she sat like a schoolgirl, looking at him with adoring eyes, while unconsciously giving away her anti-muslim bias and religious fundamentalism for all to savour. So mesmerized she was that she forgot the difference between an Indian and a Hindu. Launder yourself first Madhu!
Naved H where did she went wrong? u r used to apeasement darling. get over it...
For every such discussion, there are numerous hate comments. Most common ones are "these people does not know anything about Quran, Hadis etc and they have no right to say anything like this" . I have a request to such people. Let's assume for once that these people are wrong. Why don't you falsify all the arguments presented objectively and with proof.. Nobody is stopping you from doing that.. if they have an argument you have an equal right to counter that.. But instead what I only see is disgusting words, abuse...
I agree
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such a sweet and humble person mr arun shourie is
Lovely interview clarity in thoughts expressed by simple words and Madhu need not be secular by quoting "Hindu internet army"
Wonderful interview.
i really miss old fashioned journalism.
No Appeasement politics is BJP... Well said... Good to hear from you Arun Shourie...
On the subject of the Internet Hindu debate:
There is also an army of 'Intellectual Hindus' who try to reason with the radicals with a rational comment(s), which I believe helps calm some nerves and encourage rational thinking.
Here is a random thought that i would like to share with you all - Can the Govt gift its citizens some sort of a perk in tax exemption of 25% or 50% during the month of August ( our month of Independence ) If the particular state or country (more tax benefits) has experienced NO communal violence.
This will definitely be motivation for communal harmony :o)
Ohhhhhh.... pls don't buy this shit of internet hindus, its just a divisive tactic of these new breed journos..
it was coined by Sagarika, which explain Hindus as abusive, aggressive people over internet..
These people are used to the passive, non-reactive people and if we respond, we become internet Hindus, just like how the term 'saffron terrorism' was coined..
Don't even bother to fall for this trick. We are one as a nation, in spirit and letter!
Very practicable thought ..pls keep voicing it and let's have it submitted as suggestions to our MPs and State Legislators
A brilliant man. His book on fatwas opened my eyes to Islam.
sorry, I forgot to appreciate your intellectual capacity and courage
What a superb interview.
Can Arun Shourie take it ? Yes !
I wish though that he would do more than just teach us. I wish there was a way for him to practice it.
This is top class, simply top class journalism !! Wow, this is an in-depth, low-decibel, high content interview like no other I have seen in the Indian media. Great job #newslaundry
One of the greatest Intellectual India has ever produced 🙌
I admire Arun Shourie and Atal ji as one the best politicians in India
A very nice interview, and my thanks to Madhu Trehan for being brave and honest and giving us a refreshing departure from the drivel one gets to see on English News channels - on CNN-IBN and NDTV, in particular.
A MUST WATCH.
What a man, what a leader!
had the interviewer been Karan Thapar, Arun Shorie would have been interrupted, silenced, humiliated, not listened to and proven wrong...
Arun Shourie then was talking a different tone - when he had ministership dreams (under Modi). Now when Modi crushed those dreams, Shourie curses Modi all the time. Just shows how small a man - despite great god given talent - can be.
13:57 Arun just loves reading these fatwas...can almost feel the glee and satisfaction in him when discusses thw worst of them
Arun Shourie is pure class.
Thank you Madhu ! Regards
such a fine personality and clear views. I will definitely read his book.
Awesome stuff !! Full marks to Newslaundry team. We needed you so much and for so long..
Enjoyed the discussion. The subject of internet hindus was perhaps interrogated out of context. I personally think hindus have taken internet as a medium of expressing their anger towards so called secular government and some media houses.
Madhu I am a big Fan of yours since Newstrack days, Please make Newloundry a big Digital channel, your voice should be heard i believe, People like us who like truth to be heard doesn't have resources which you have, I want to be a part of of that in any small way can contribute
Respect both of these people
Very nice to see Arun Shourie I always quote phrases he coined in 1982(The Indian Express)and earlier that is : POLITICS OF PANDERING a n d 420 AND MORE etc.
lovely interview by a learned and lovely person, the conclusion of the interview was extremely good.
Awesome interview and people should must watch before judge BJP and RSS or any Institution.
Arun Shourie is a kind of role model for us. Can be drafted in to active politics by BJP ? I wish they do for the sake of this country.
very nice interview
I deny the word internet hindu. We are hindus who were always there but erupted when one of us became chankya, shivaji, maharana pratap, gandhiji, swami vivekanand many more too save from outside extremism. We only become part of indian history saved our land and tradition.
Very enlightning interview.
Nice take by Arunji on the 2002 riots. Seriously it's easy to point fingers at Modi but when you are at that point when everyone is berserk in riots it's very hard to think rationally and keep yourself organized. Commendable job by Modi though to handle the riots and none such thing in past 13 years. Too bad the Indian Media sells-out too quickly.
Riots happen in a split of a second due to years upon years of suppression towards the Hindus by almost everyone. Things have reached to a boiling point off late which resulted in Babri demolition and what not. Personally I blame Congress and their appeasement policies post-transfer-of-power in 1947. But more importantly us Hindus must also try to keep calm in most situations.
Hopefully he can serve as a minister if the BJP wins the general elections in a few months.
Gem of a person.......B.J.P should not have neglected him
Good one after a long time in news laundry thank you Madhu.
amazing interview of a great thinker!
PM Modi has done a favor on Muslim women by changing the three talaq law.
23:19 That's the most important point we'll have to understand if we want to eliminate terrorism from this world.
Interesting discussion. Two comments: 1. There are reliable and unreliable hadiths. Who issued the Fatwa? A Sunni or Shii’ite Sheikh? The interviewer is asking suggestive questions e.g. “How people are saying it is a book of prace?” @9:40. Not the kind of question to ask a writer using facts and evidence to argue against the fatwas issued by Indian Sheikhs.
Going to be newslaundary subscriber after this beautiful interview
You will regret it 😂
Overall, it was a good discussion. But, when it was about islam, they were not clear enough because of their shortcomings. Can someone say after following 'internet hindus' that hinduism is uncouth, they don't let anyone disagree or having different opinion? No, you can not. In the same way, you can not judge islam after observing some muslims.First, I am not from the 'Hindi belt', the reason I mention will be clear later in my writing. I don't know why many north Indians stuck with the word 'fatwa'. Perhaps that's what the NI muslims use for their advantage /disadvantage in their day-to-day lives, it seems. 'Fatwa' simply means 'Opinion' or ''Advisory Opinion". Its given when a questioner asks for it [Fawa-Advisory Opinion]. So, that depends upon the way he frames the question, if he is clever enough, to have it in his favour. This is the 'Fatwa' thing. To continue, I too read that story and followed it up that AlAzher ulema giving a 'Fatwa' about the 'breast-feeding' of a non-relative male. That is totally ill-constructed or mis-construed, played for the gallery or out of their ignorance about the matter, I think, in their conversation.And, 1 more thing Madhu Trehan brought up was about an athlete giving penance by "feeding 1008 people" is completely wrong, either by that muslim athlete who was about to do that or Madhu reading too much in the internet blogs about 'backward muslims'. If one has to skip a day of fasting due to certain circumstances, he/she has to compensate it in some other time within that 'Islamic year', i.e., 330 days approx. before the next Ramadhan starts. If he/she is not physically/medically unfit to fast, they can compensate by feeding 1 to 40 poor people as per their capacity. More interesting is when Madhu asking why didn't MF Hussain want to draw Allah or Mohammed? That is where, I don't know why or how, most of the genius are get flummoxed. Where will one can show a authentic picture of Allah or Mohammed? If Madhu had one, she could have sent it to the painter and asked him to draw them 'naked' and he would've done it - perhaps for a sum or for art. So, where is the question of drawing someone naked arises when there is no 'pratima' -i.e., “natasyapratimaasti“. Funny geniuses.
The so called secular education by the Congress for past 60 plus years has gone to ridiculous extent of even calling Yoga non-secular. This is why most hindus today do not understand their own religion. Hardly any have read the Bhagwat Geetha which they think is to be read only at the deathbed!
I live in US. A school in California objected to teaching of Yoga as it was deemed "hindu" teaching. The matter went to court which decided that Yoga had nothing to do with Hinduism as it is now scientifically proven to be good for one's physical well being and can be taught in schools.
In the same context, some years ago a bill was sought to be introduced in Indian Parliament making Yoga compulsory in school. The matter was struck down by a Congress led govt as it was considered non-secular.
You can't teach Yoga in the place of its birth but it is taught everywhere in USA.
What a shame!
Dear Madhu Trehan.............the question you raised at the end of the program......i would like to answer in words of Arun Shourie and i think your concern is absolutely right and we have to bring transformation ourselves but also we have to stand by anything wrong and if needed we can be violent......this is what Gita says.....violence is not just violence cause of weapons but cause of the intentions behind it.
Wish there were more journalists like him.
Most hindus do not understand true "hinduism" or "sanatana dharma" as it is better called.
When manusmriti talks of duties of varnas, it is talking from a different point of view. In ancient India, a brahmin was not just born a brahmin. He became one by long years of scriptural studies, self-restraint. He is an educator, a teacher, a performer of "vedic ceremonies". The society looked upon him with awe and respect much like a society would look upon a nobel laureate today (in India, the standards have fallen so low that the place has been usurped by bollywood actors and cricketers).
Ancient India was great because the best among these brahmins from time to time gave instructions known as "Smritis" or "Sutras" that told the society how to conduct itself. These varied with time and place. These were kind of guide to the rulers of that time. Manusmriti was one such. It was not binding on the king but latter took such instructions seriously. There was a check and balance with knowledge of the brahmin keeping the 'power" of the Kshatriya (the warrior class) in check. But manusmriti is also severe on transgressions of a brahmin much more than by other castes.
When Manu says a shudra who hears Vedas should have molten was poured into his ears (not sure it is true as I can't find the original quote in sanskrit), he would have meant that true knowledge should not fall into false hands. This is like Osama bin laden having knowledge to make nuclear weapons. Today we worry about such weapons falling into hands of Taliban. Ancient Rishis took care to not only preserve but protect such knowledge.
Vedas are not understood by Indians of today as they have no knowledge of Vedic sanskrit (which is even different from classic sanskrit which some of us may understand). It is deeply symbolic with lot of mysticism, mantras etc that do not make sense today but did in ancient times.
47:08 That's also a good point.
One must avoid these "Lutyens' Delhi" geniuses. Or even better shifting our nation's capital to some other place. They are enjoying the total wealth comes from across the country. Whoever settled in NCR, finds a way to be near the 'corridors of power' to stuck and suck on.
Best hour i have ever spent
Shashank Kulkarni agreed.
Being Different and Breaking India and Invading the Sacred by Rajiv Malhotra - everyone should read these books and go forth...
I watched this when it came out. I’m watching it again after all this time. It’s too bad Shourie ji couldn’t fit into Modi’s BJP. Both are poorer for it.
Its refreshing to see such intelligent conversation between a media person and a veteran author and political analyst. There is some intellectual hope from Indian Media :)
As for her personal attitude, I see an unsurity. Her interrogation about Biasness towards Hinduism, lacks significant conviction (does she really mean, when she says, ¨why not paint Alah?!¨)
Anyways, its a refreshing change, of course futile banalness of bashing Modi, is a virus infection, no media can relinquish!!
Amazing interview and talk.
when we think Vedas,bible,Quran or any scriptures are absolute(words of Gods) without considering the time,society at that time when they wrote-we will definitely get in to problems.We have to reinterpret or rewrite according the present circumstances.Every religion require reform we cant apply BC period,1 AD,7AD laws in present society.Whichever religion lag-behind in reforming and struct to the values which are not confirm to the present society will cause chaos in society
As a Hindu atheist(questioning of existence of god is a part of Hindu thought-ex;samkhya philosophy)it is ultimately human wisdom will decides the nature of society
+narahari javaji sure, but vedas--as you know are mostly highlighting principles of this universe...so, much of it is to be understood and the truth there is not limited to any time or age
vedas are not the word of God
Kaiser William and you would know how? vedas are revelations
+amazon 👍
+amazon i am hindu.
she seems radical as well....siding Hinduism and taking on other religion high-handed
Hello Madhu, first of all thank you very much....I really enjoyed the whole interview...and please keep it up a good work...However, let me tell you one thing, this is not a time "If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also"...this is a time to retaliate in such a way that nobody dares to strike you once again....Jai Hind...Vande Mataram...
He is a great man!
She talks about the "hindu army on twitter", he himself faces it later in 2015 and then the book "I am a Troll" in 2016.
If you can't watch the whole interview, at least watch from 47:44
What. A. Gentleman.
true genious arun sir
If Questioning facts or trying to strike a civil debate by Internet Hindus would be tagged trolling or abusing, then so be it.
Some Serious Analysis by Hindu Right Wing People on Islam,Muslim and Hindu :
+seemumuqqu its just commmon sense , not right wing
sadly Hindus do this very rarely do which they should be doing more often. but if you see the other side, all crap is cooked up and taught to Indian muslims about hinduism due to the fear of losing loyalty. ask any muslim he talks as if he's an authority on indic dharma. wonder how!
why dont muslim right wing does the same...if their ass is burnt....you know why they dont do bcoz we hindus already did.....