LETS HEAR AND SEE PACMANIA 16BIT AMIGA AND IN 32BIT ACORN ARCHIMEDES PAC MANIA PACMAN PAC MAN PART 1
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(XORIS SEIRA PROTERAIOTHTAS)
A VERY GREAT THANK YOU TO A MAN WHO TEACH ME WHAT ATARI ST/E IS IN LATE 80'S AND 90'S WITH THE PSEUDONYM "LALAOUNIS",THE "GREEK ATARI ST/E MASTER" (AND NOT ONLY) MILLION THANKS IN ADVANCE LALAOUNIS FOR ALL ATARI ST/E HAPPY COMPUTER MOMENTS AND BE GOOD.NASTE KALA KAI EYTYXISMENOI PANTA,GIORGO KAI MAIRH
TO KANALI AYTO EINAI AFIEROMENO SE ESAS
PURPOSE OF MY VIDEOS IS NEITHER "GAMEPLAYING SKILL" NEITHER TO "SHOW GOOD FRAMERATE" IN VIDEOS,NEITHER TO "SHOW THE BEST PROFESSIONAL VIDEO RESOLUTION",NEITHER TO "MAKE LONGPLAYS" NEITHER "PLAYING THROUGH" THE ORIGINAL AMIGA HARDWARE OR ATARI ST/E HARDWARE (VIDEO ARE ONLY FROM EMULATORS) BUT AGAIN THE PURPOSE OF THE VIDEOS IS TO "SEE" FOR "FEW MINUTES OF GAMEPLAY" OF "AMIGA AND ATARI ST/E" "UA-cam YET UNRELEASED GAMES (OR UTILITIES,DEMOS,SONGS,MENU INTROS,CRACKTROS AND SUCH STUFF BUT UNRELEASED - TILL TODAY).THE ONLY "EXCEPTION" FROM THIS ARE THE VIDEOS (WHICH ALREADY RELEASED TO UA-cam) ALTHOUGH I "ASK HELP" FROM OTHER RETRO USERS TO MADE "GAME LONGPLAYS".ALL THESE GAMES ARE "GOOD" GAMES OR "BAD" GAMES BUT ABOVE ALL WE MUST NOT FORGET THAT ALL ARE "GAMES" AND,OF COURSE,WE LOVE THEM ALL.VIDEOS ARE SMALL BUT "INSIDE VIDEO" EXCEPT FROM THE GAMEPLAY OF THE GAME YOU CAN FIND :
1) "GAME DEVELOPER" (GAME INTRO)
2) "GAME PUBLISHER" (GAME INTRO)
3) "MENU" DEVELOPER" (FOR ATARI ST GAMES - WHEN THE MENU STARTS)
4) TEAM WHO "CRACKS" GAME (INSIDE DECOMPACTER FROM ATARI ST OR IN THE AMIGA CRACKTRO)
5) VERSION OF UTILITY "CRACK TEAM" USES (AFTER GAME SELECTION IN MENU IN ATARI ST)
6) PROGRAMMER(S) WHO PROGRAMMED GAME (GAME START SCREEN, AND SOMETIMES EVEN IN "HIGH SCORE TABLE".
BUT IF YOU WANT MUCH MUCH MORE GAME INFORMATION THEN GO TO THESE SITES FOR PLENTY INFORMATION :
FOR COMMODORE AMIGA
hol.abime.net/
AND FOR ATARI ST/E
www.atarimania....
ALSO IF YOU ARE A NORMAL (REAL MACHINE) OR VIRTUAL (EMULATORS) OR BOTH,ATARI STT/E FALCON USER CHOOSE NECESSARY THIS SITE IT HAS EVERYTHING YOU'LL NEED
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Και επίσης,πολύ ενδιαφέρον Ελληνικό forum επιστροφής στο παρελθόν & επαναφοράς αναμνήσεων από τα παλιά computers,μ΄αυτά τα οποία ξεκινήσαμε από το 1983,ZX Spectrum, Amstrad CPC, Commodore, Atari ST,Amiga,καθώς επίσης & παλιά συστήματα PC με MsDos,με οδηγίες επισκευής,βελτιώσεις τους και σημερινές αναβαθμίσεις τους.
ALSO,FOR BEST "PSEUDOCRT" RESULTS CHOOSE "360p" IN MY VIDEOS.PLEASE DONT CHOOSE 720p OR 1080p.THEY ARE BOTH THE WORST CHOICE,HERE
ALSO IN AMIGA WHEN I SAY IN THE TITLE "AMIGA OCS" OR "AMIGA ECS" OR "AMIGA AGA" MEANS THAT THE SPECIFIC GAME RUN AT LEAST IN THIS CHIPSET OR ABOVE (FOR EXAMPLE "AMIGA OCS" MEANS THAT GAME RUN ON "AMIGA OCS" (A1000,A500) (BUT "MAY BE" OR "MAY BE NOT" RUN ON "AMIGA ECS" OR "AMIGA AGA").ALSO WHEN I SAY FOR EXAMPLE "AMIGA ECS PLAY" OR "AMIGA AGA PLAY" MEANS FOR EXAMPLE THAT THE "GAME IS LOADING IN AGA" BUT MAY BE WORKS ON AMIGA ECS OR EVEN ON AMIGA OCS WITH SOME UPGRADES (SUCH AS MORE "CHIP" MEMORY OR WITH "KICKSTART 2.0")
THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES THAT UA-cam VIDEOS FROM OTHER USERS DONT COUNT,SO I UPLOAD MY OWN VIDEO OF THESE SPECIFIC GAMES
1) THE GAME EXISTS IN ONLY ONE VIDEO UPLOAD BUT THE UPLOADER "TALKS CONTINOUSLY",THEN THIS IS USELESS FOR ME AND I UPLOAD THE SAME GAME WITHOUT SPEECH
2) IF ANOTHER GAME UPLOAD (ONE ONLY VIDEO) IS FROM EXTERNAL "BAD" CAMERA WITH BAD SOUND,THEN I UPLOAD IT,AGAIN BECAUSE THE OTHER VIDEO IS USELESS...ETC ETC.WELL,FOR ME THESE GAMES ARE NOT "EXISTS" ON UA-cam
3) ALSO IF THE GAME HAS "FAKE" MUSIC SUCH AS FOR HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE OF "PACMAN" WHICH IN THE VIDEO YOU HERE INSTEAD GAME AND SAPLES "SAMANTHA FOX",THEN THE GAME IS USELESS,AGAIN,FOR ME.
THE KEY TO NOT UPLOAD A GAME,IS NOT ONLY TO "EXIST IN UA-cam" BUT TO "EXIST IN THE RIGHT WAY IN UA-cam"
OTHER SITES OF MY FRIENDS WHICH ARE VERY
INTERESTING
greekarcade.web...
www.streettacti...
partsfromthepas...
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They both look very close to each other that you can't really go wrong with either, but I do think the Amiga version sounds better and as for the visuals, they look slightly different to each other, not really better or worse as such, just different.
Also, the Acorn version was released a few years later so it could have been better but then the Amiga version likely could have been better if released in 91 as it was mostly in the early 90's when developers really got the hang of the Amiga hardware.
i'm glad I never wasted money on Archimedes, Amiga if so much cheaper and yet actually outperforms it here by a slight margin. i love the Amiga
And Commodore went bankrupt because the A500 was too cheap and left too little margin to spend working on the next generation. ROTFL
@TheArchimedesRules Rasterman is just software isn't it? Normal per scaline colour swapping tricks. And you have 256 colour mode anyway? Does God's have a really crazy amount of colours?
@@Archimedes75009 Overall the Amiga was much better value and that matters when it comes to game support but as for Commodore, they went bankrupt because of bad management and now upgrading the Amiga enough and by the time they did, it was too little too late.
The A1200 should have come out around 1990 with 8 channel sound chip, better capabilities with visuals, the cpu would have been fine if it was paired with fast ram and double capacity floppy drive.
It likely would have bumped up the price a bit, at least in the short term it might have helped keep the Amiga in the game.
10 dislikes doesn't make it better than the AMIGA, hahahahahah.
The music in acorn isn't very good.
The Amiga uses dual playfield with only 8 colours for the background (blocks) and 7 colours for some sprites.
4 attached hardware sprites (15 colours + transparent) are combined to create Pacman himself.
The Archimedes version uses a chunky 16 colour mode, which means each pixel displayed can be any colour among a choice of 16, and of course that includes the background blocks : that's twice the number of colours in the Amiga version.
No surprise all in all the Archimedes version looks nicer, for sure.
Read the details here : codetapper.com/amiga/sprite-tricks/pac-mania/
Also :
On the Archie : bigger pacman main character and bigger ghosts too (ridiculously narrow on the Amiga because of the hardware sprites limitations) ; the small pills have a shadow (none on the Amiga) ; ghosts have correct clipping when they exit the playing area in the Archimedes version, when on the Amiga they entirely disappear, they are not clipped if they exit North, East or South.
Anyway this game could be in 256 colours on the Archimedes, and still run at 50 fps with tunes on 4 channels + sound effects on the other 4 channels (yes, the Archie has 8 hardware channels, not 4).
It is one of my projects : to see on the Archie a Pacmania game really using its power, and not an Amiga port.
The Archie had too many non-or-too-slightly-enhanced ports from the inferior Amiga, exactly like the Amiga had too many non-or-too-slightly-enhanced ports from the inferior Atari ST.
WE HAD DISCUSSED THOSE MILLION TIMES, ZARCHOS
IF WE TALK ABOUT BAD PORTS THE AMIGA IS THE COMPUTER THAT HAVE THE MOST SHIT PORTS HAD A MACHINE EVER, FROM ATARI ST, NES, MEGADRIVE SNES ETC. AMIGA EXCEPT ""REAL QUEEN"", WAS ALSO QUEEN OF THE SHIT PORTS, EXCEPT THAT ""WAS AND IS"" THE REAL COMPUTER- CONSOLUTER QUEEN"" OF THE HARDWARE FILOSOPHY, BUT THIS, IS NOT HER FALSE. SOFTWARE IS SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE IS HARDWARE. DONT CONFUSE THEM. NOBODY TOUCHES THE ""AMIGA HARDWARE"" EVEN THE ATARI ST ""SHIT PORTED SOFTWARE"" IN AMIGA.
PACMANIA IS NOT VERY DEMANDING GAME. BECAUSE ITS NOT USES IN REAL TWO SCREENS , ONLY REAL (IN THE EYE) ONE SCREEN, IT HAS NOT PARALLAX. EVERYTHING HAPPENS IN ONE SCREEN & THE SCROLLING. ARCHIMEDES DONT REACH AMIGA, EVEN WITH ITS BIG MIPS WHICH ARE USEFULL AND FAST, ONLY IN 3D GAMES
"" Archimedes also had no horizontal sync
interrupt, meaning that it was difficult to display additional colours
by changing the palette for each scan line, but not impossible, thanks
to the 2 MHz IOC timer 1.""
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Archimedes
REMEMBER ARCHIMEDES HAVE PROBLEMS WITH HORIZONTAL SCROLLING AND THIS IS HAPPENS EASIER IN HORIZONTAL SCROLLING GAMES. SO ARCHIMEDES HAD NOT REAL 2D FILOSOPHY FOR 2D GAMES.AMIGA WAS AND IS, THE QUEEN. ARCHIMEDES DONT REACH THE AMIGA WITH SUCH ""TRICKS""
"" (ridiculously narrow on the Amiga because of the hardware sprites limitations)""
AMIGA WAS OLDER THAN ARCHIMEDES AND HAD HARDWARE SPRITES. ARCHIMEDES WAS NEWER FROM AMIGA AND ""HAS NOT"" HARDWARE SPRITES, TO SET HORIZONTAL SMOOTH SCROLLING IN PLATFORMS IS PROBLEMATIC & ALSO PROBLEMATIC ARE, PARALLAX DEMANDING 256 COLORS GAMES (GAMES NOT DEMOS), WHICH TAKE ALL MACHINE POWER. ALSO WE DONT HAD REAL FAST PLATFORMS DUAL PLAYFIELD PARALLAX GAMES FOR ARCHIMEDES. IT CANT MANAGED SUCH GAMESLET ALONE SOUND, WHICH IS AMIGA INSPIRED
Zarchos I UPLOADED 55,000 VIDEOS TILL NOW. ARE THEY ENOUGH ?
I SHOW YOU WIP PROGRESS IN YOUR SHADOW OF THE BEAST. IT IS NOT ENOUGH. DO MORE.I WANTED ALSO TO KNOW, THAT I NEVER PUT A DISLIKE TO ANY OF YOUR VIDEOS IN SHADOW OF THE BEAST. GOOD LUCK TO YOUR DEMO AND TO YOUR TRY
@@petsasjim1 Yes, I will display the trees soon. I thought you'd like to know the facts about the Amiga and the Archimedes versions, since you made a video to compare them. Now you know :-)
Zarchos THE ONLY FACTS IN 2D GAMES ARE THAT AMIGA HAD INSPIRED HARDWARE BUT ARCHIMEDES, HAD NEARLY NOT HARDWARE. THATS THE REASON WHICH IS VERY DIFFICULT TO ACHIVE SILKY SMOOTH SCROLLING IN FAST & DEMANDING REAL PARALLAX 2D GAMES. THAT'S THE FACT :-)
Slightly better gfx on the Arch.. Better sound on the Amiga.. it's a close one..
Interestingly, the one and only hardware sprite the Archimedes has could have been used to add some colours to the main Pacman character.
There's no more than a couple of games which use that on the Archie, demonstrating how the games programmers have always worked on the software side of this Archie, and never ventured into the usage of its hardware guts.
Zarchos GOOD EVENING AND HAPPY NEW YEAR :)
petsasjim1 Happy New Year too !
I doubt it's going to be a nice year for your country and mine, though ...
Zarchos
I KNOW,Zarchos BUT WISHES ARE WISHES,IF WE BELIVE IN THEM.THERE IS NO LIFE WITHOUT WISHES AND HOPES.ONLY SUICIDES
petsasjim1 Sure ! I read today Herr General Merkel, boss of Europe, is going to allow Greece to leave the sinking Euro boat... it's going to be interesting. Greece might definitively kill a few big banks, the issue is that they'll steal the money from their clients' accounts to survive a bit longer ... Oh dear ;-(
Zarchos
YES,I HAD SMELLED ALREADY THESE THINGS,AND THINGS GOING FROM BAD TO WORSE.WE HAVENT SEE THE WORST.THE WORST OF ALL IS LITTLE FAR AWAY AND WAITING FOR US TO GIVE US THE BIGGEST (AND FINAL?) STROKE IN THE NEAR FUTURE
KEEP IN MIND :
A) SET THE VIDEO AT 720p OR 1080p TO SEE THE DETAILS.I KNOW THAT EMULATORS ARENT THE BEST WAY TO COMPARE SIDE BY SIDE TWO GAMES,BUT AT LEAST I MAKE A TRY AND THAT'S ALL
B) NONE FILTER USE IN AMIGA (WINUAE)
C) IN AMIGA THERE WAS OVERSCAN,IN ARCHIMEDES NOT SUCH THING,SO ARCHIMEDES HAD SMALLER SCREEN (THATS A FACT IN THE GAME), BUT I CAN NOT SHOW THIS HERE
D) SCROLLING IS REALLY VERY NICE BUT UNFORTUNATELY MY "SCREEN RECORDER" DONT SHOW IT. SO,DONT TAKE IT SERIOUS (I MEAN,THE SCROLLING)
E) PACMANIA PAC MAN CENTRAL SPRITE LOOKS TO HAVE MORE COLORS IN AMIGA (SET VIDEO 1080p TO SEE IT). I SAW AND PLAY IN ARCHIMEDES IN THE FAR PAST IN A STORE IN ATHENS (AKSARLHS) BUT COULD NOT REMEMBER TO NOTICE THIS THING
F) GHOSTS ARE "MORE FAT" IN ARCHIE (BIGGER SPRITES).FRUITS ARE BIGGER TOO.ALSO THE SAME HAPPENS FOR THE NUMBER OF STATIC PACMANS THAT SHOWED PERMANENTLY ON SCREEN (LIKE OSD)
G) DOTS HAVE "SHADOWS" IN ARCHIE'S BUT NOT IN AMIGA'S.THANKS TO ZARCHOS FOR THE LAST INFORMATION
Doesn't seem to be any difference except for the resolution.
How does the overscan work? Do you have to set your display to a certain setting to display it correctly?
@@bangerbangerbro NO, THIS IS EMULATORS JOB. PACMANIA HAS FULL OVERSCAN IN AMIGA. SOMETHING LIKE 384x284. IN WINUAE I NEVER KEEP ASPECT RATIO. I USE TO STRETCH WITH NO BORDERS 16:9 ALL SOFTWARE. BUT ANYWAY PACMANIA'S ""FULL OVERSCAN"" FILL ALL THE AMIGA LOW RESOLUTION PIXELS, SO ITS LIKE THE REAL THING EXCEPT 16:9 AND YOU DONT HAVE A REAL CRT (LCD LED PLASMA) (WITH ONLY SOME FILTERS)
@@petsasjim1 Ok. But I mean when using the real thing how does overscan work? Surely with overscan that means you don't see the whole display?
@@bangerbangerbro I HAD AMIGA 500. IT WAS FROM MY MOST FAVORITE MACHINES IN 80's & 90''s . IT DEPENDS FROM THE TV. I HAD A SONY TRINITRON WHICH HAD MORE PIXELS THAN IN GENERAL CHEAP & MEDIUM RANGE ORDINATY CRTs. SO I LOST LESSER PIXELS THAN CHEAP TVs. AGAIN, IT DEPENDS FROM THE CRT TV YOU HAVE. I PLAYED LIKE A MANIAC PACMANIA IN AMIGA. AND OF COURSE, IN AMIGA ALL OVERSCAN PIXELS USED . NOT THE SLIGHTEST BORDER. THIS IS THE EXACTLY ""FULL OVERSCAN"". ANOTHER CATEGORY GAMES IS THE ""PARTIAL OVERSCAN"" GAMES WHICH SCREEN IS BIGGER FROM NORMAL, BUT THERE WERE EXISTS THIN BORDERS IN THE SCREEN. FULL OVERSCAN IS MY FAVORITE, OF COURSE
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Τα sprites στον Archie είναι δουλεμένα και χρωματισμένα από την αρχή.
Το ίδιο και για τις ενδιάμεσες animated σκηνές.
Ο ήχος έχει διαφορές που οφείλονται στα τσιπάκια ήχου του κάθε υπολογιστή.
Τα γραφικά του background μου φαίνονται ίδια και στα δύο μηχανήματα.
Ευχτυχώς για τον Archie δεν είναι μια τεμπέλικη μεταφορά από την Amiga.
+1 στην Amiga για το fullscreen!
SOSTOS SE OLA ALEX.KAI EXEIS DIKIO .ENA APO TA POLLA (GIATI EXEI POLLA) PRAGMATA POU MAS TRELLAINOUN STHN AMIGA EINAI TO OVERSCAN,TO OPOIO LEIPEI EDO APO TON ARCHIE
MarcusTDM, I ALREADY WRITE IN A COMMENT DOWN THE PAGE
""I KNOW THAT EMULATORS ARENT THE BEST WAY TO COMPARE SIDE BY SIDE TWO GAMES, BUT AT LEAST I MAKE A TRY AND THAT'S ALL""
for me having 16 colors for background and another 16 for sprites, make the possibilities to have 32 colors on screen (even if in fact it's a little less) .
And there is more color on screen than archi ,because it's impossible to have a 50fps game in mode 13(256 colors) for action games, even pacman .
And how many RAM you need for the two versions ??
Bad luck as on the Amiga it is 8 colours for the background (the blocks) as detailed on codetapper. This is a hardware limitation of dual playfield (8 colours for background, and 7 colours for foreground).
It is even more visible for Chuck Rocks where the Archie version looks much nicer. It is admited on eab by an honest Amiga owner, on this page : eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=86674&page=26 after Galahad the thief and liar talked BS about the Archie, as usual (in the previous page).
@@Archimedes75009 and according to that codetapper site it doesn't use sprites for anything other than the score as well. Or is pacman a sprite? I can't remember.
I can't feel difference.
So lets get one thing right - The Amiga was not (never was) a 16 bit machine. The 68000 is a 32 bit processor. AmigaOS was 32 bit right from the start.
HI Ian Godfrey :) NICE TO TALK TO YOU. FOR THIS YOU SAID, I HAD OTHER CONCLUSIONS IN MY MIND SINCE 30 YEARS AGO. FIRST AMIGA OCS IS NOT 32BIT MACHINE. BECAUSE THE POWER OF THE MACHINE DONT COMES IN TOTAL FROM THE PROCESSOR. SECOND 68000 VERY RIGHT YES, "IS" ""32BIT CUT CPU AND INSTRUCTIONS AVAILABLE"" BUT ""NOT WORKING IN 32BIT MODE"". THIRDLY WATCH MY WORDS NOW : """AMIGA OCS IS A 16BIT GENERATION MACHINE"" NOT A """16BIT MACHINE""" . YOU MUST SEPERATE THESE TWO CASES. FOURTH AMIGA OCS HAS 16BIT MOTHERBORARD & CHIPSET. SHE CANT ""OPERATE"" IN 32BIT MODE, ALSO AMIGA OCS IS 16BIT NOT 32BIT. FIFTH : MANY MACHINES ARE HYBRIDS LIKE PC ENGINE (8BIT CPU 16 BIT GPU) SO WE CANT SAY WHICH IS FROM THE TWO EXACTLY, EVEN IF WE KNOW THE BIT OF GRAPHICS CHIPSET & MOTHERBOARD ALTHOUGH THE PC ENGINE IS SIMPLY AN HYBRID ""8-16BIT MACHINE""
SO FINALLY AS I SAID, AMIGA OCS HAS A ""32BIT CUT CPU"" BUT ""BELONGS TO 16BIT GENERATION"" AND IN THE OPPOSITE AMIGA 1200 BELONGS TO ""32BIT GENERATION"" BUT HAS 16 AND 32BIT MACHINE ATTRIBUTES SO IN TOTAL IS AN ""16-32BIT MACHINE""
@@petsasjim1 Its a 68000 machine which has 32 bit internal logic, but its on a 16 bit bus. The operating system was 32 bit right from the beginning. So yes, it is a kind of a hybrid, but the OS being 32 bit made it more modern than most people would think. Windows 3.1 was 16 bit and that was released in the 90s - which just shows how behind the times it was.
I think Zorro 3 was the first fully 32 bit Amiga Bus, on the Amiga 3000 - I had one in 1990.
Amiga 1000 should have been released with a 68020 .... ;-)
@@iangodfrey4518 I think the best way to define it is the memory width as that is what bottlenecks all processors. The Amiga has 16 bit memory and everything accesses 16 bits per cycle. In the PC engine and SNES (16 bit CPU and 8 bit bus) the VDP can but not the CPU. In the Mega Drive also with a 68K all access is also 16 bits per cycle.
@@bangerbangerbro Best explanation.
I've just read on a forum that on the Amiga Pacmania supposedly has 32 colours, but as always on the Amiga it's all wrong again : the devil hides in the details : it's 16 colours for the background (4 bitplanes), and 16 colours for Pacman ; and not at all 32 possible colours for each pixel. It seems the weak copros of the Amiga can't handle more than 4 bitplanes for this kind of game where the whole screen has to scroll in each direction. Ah ah ah.
So as I already wrote, on the Archie version using the hardware sprite to add 3 or 4 colours per line, with a palette change on each scanline (the hardware cursor has its own palette from 4096 colours), would give the same result to the Pacman character (or even better, more colourful : do the maths).
+Zarchos HAPPY NEW YEAR.AMIGA HAD OVERSCAN,I HAD THOUSANDS OF GAMES INCLUDED THIS AND I HAD SEEN IT (ARCHIMEDES WHY HADNT OVERSCAN ?).THIS IS ONLY PORT DIFFERENCES (AND IF THE INFORMATIONS YOU FOUND WAS RIGHT BECAUSE IN OTHER PLACES SAID THAT ARCHIMEDES ONLY HAD 16 COLORS www.retroshowcase.gr/index.php?id=Archimedes&p=games&gameid=119&model=Archimedes IS THAT WHICH HAD LESS COLORS ( AMIGA HAD COME WITH 32 COLORS IN DENISE AND ANOTHER 32 COLORS IN EHB AGAIN IN DENISE.COPPER CAN MAKE MANY COLORS AND SPRITES WITH SOME TECNIQES.THEY ARENT SOFTWARE TECHNIQUES.FOR EXAMPLE LIONHEART HAS NEARLY 200 COLORS AND RUFF N TUMBLE MORE THAN 100 ELFMANIA,TOO AND UNIVERSE HAD 256.SOME GAMES HAD THOUSANDS COLORS IN BACKGROUNDS IN AMIGA OCS LIKE ua-cam.com/video/CnnrWEuL6O4/v-deo.html.THEY ARE TEQNIQUES THAT COUNT ON ""HER HARDWARE"".IT IS MEAN NOTHING THAT AMIGA USES IN PACMANIA 16+16 COLORS ETC.THE DIFFERENCES ARE ""MINOR"" AND IT IS ONLY THE PORT.ALSO ARCHIMEDES HAS PROBLEMS IF ARCHIE WANTS TO & ""SEE"" 256 COLORS ON SCREEN WITH A ""DUAL PLAYFIELD"" QUICK ACTION PLATFORM GAME LIKE ""KID CHAOS"".IF WE HAD SEEN ON ARCHIMEDES 256 COLORS ON PACMANIA ONLY THEN WE COULD SAW ""DIFFERENCES"" BETWEEN AMIGA AND ARCHIMEDES BUT THIS IS NEVER HAPPENS.ALSO IN GAMES SUCH ""PINBALLS"" ""PACMANIA"" ETC GAMES WE HAVE 1 SPRITE AND ONE BACKGROUND ONLY.MOUSE HARDWARE SPRITE IN ARCHIMEDES IS DIFFICULT TO SET RIGHT.IF WE COULD SEE GAMES WITH DUAL PARALLAX OR DUAL PLAYFIELD ON ARCHIMEDES WASNT TO BE SO GOOD AS AMIGA.AMIGA WAS BORN WITH HARDWARE SPRITES BLITTER COPPER PERFECT SCROLLING AND CAN DO BETTER THINGS IN 2D OVERALL THAN ARCHIMEDES.THIS IS THE REAL TRUTH.AMIGA HAD NOT 32 NATIVE COLORS IN HER HARDWARE BECAUSE DENISE HAD EHB AND HAM AND BECAUSE HE CAN DO COLORS FROM DENISE AND FROM COPPER AND EVEN FROM BLITTER.SHE IS THE QUEEN IN THE 2D.ARCHIMEDES IS ONLY BEST FROM STOCK AMIGAS WITH VASLTY BIG DIFFERRENCE ONLY IN 3D BECAUSE OF RISC.(I NEVER LIKED EARLY 3D GENERATION IN ANY MACHINES) BUT RISC DONT SAVE ARCHIMEDES IN 2D EVEN IF ARCHIE HAD A MUCH MUCH STRONGER CPU.AMIGA IS MORE SOPHISTICATED MACHINE FROM A SIMPLE ""BRUTAL POWER"" MACHINE LIKE 386 IN 40 MHZ OR 486 AND THAT COMES FROM ΤΗΕ & ""CHIPS PROGRESS IN THE LATER YEARS"".IF ARCHIMEDES WANTS TO BE BETTER FROM AMIGA ONLY ONE CASE EXISTS : HARDWARE OF ARCHIES MUST HAVE ALSO AT LEAST TWO (2) GRAPHIC ACCELERATORS CHIPS SUCH AMIGA'S.ONLY THEN ARCHIE'S PHILOSOPHY CAN BE SO GOOD AS AMIGA AND EVEN BETTER,BECAUSE OF THE INCLUDED RISC CPU.AND PLEASE DONT BE CONFUSED BY DEMOS.DEMOS IS ""ONE THING"" AND GAMES IS ""ANOTHER THING"".HERE IS AN EXAMPLE : IN ATARI ST WE HAD THIS DEMO (I HAD THIS DEMO IN ATARI ST BACK THEN AND HAD PERFECT SCROLLING DONT SEE THE VIDEO THAT HASNT ITS VIDEO FAULT) : ua-cam.com/video/pZa9h4sgWww/v-deo.html BUT THAT IS NOT MEANT THAT ATARI ST ""CAN DO"" PERFECT SCROLLING IN A GAME LIKE THIS BECAUSE OF SPRITES MOVEMENTS AND SOME BETTER BACKGROUNDS AND VASTLY IMPROVEMENTS IN DUAL PLAYFIELDS AREA.CONCLUSION : IN ANY MACHINE,WHAT IS MOST BEAUTIFUL AND WE CAN IT ""SEE IN DEMOS"" THE MOST TIMES ""COULD NOT BE ACHIVED"" IN GAMES.THIS IS A "GENERAL RULE"
+Zarchos Comparing the two computers by just one game is wrong from the begining.
Amiga has hardware sprites (own palette) with 64 background colors and I speak for 16bit Amiga only.
You can't compare amiga with its efficient hardware and customs with a cpu based machine.
I would love to see lionheart on archie too even if it was based uppon cpu and this is not a comparison, just curiosity and a hope for archie users.
Too bad that there were more games on that platform too.
+Vincent GR HI VINC.FROM AMIGA I WANTED ALSO FOR CURIOSITY TO SEE AN ""AMIGA WITH EMBED RISC"" TO SUPPORT HER OS WORKBENCH AND THIS ""RISC-CPU"" I WANTED TO SEE ALL AMIGA GOODIES (BLITTER COPPER DMA ETC) ALL THESE AGAIN I REPEAT I WANTED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE FROM RISC.THIS IS MY TOP NOTCH MINE ""NIGHT DREAM"".THIS IS THE AMIGA I WANTED TO SAW.AN AMIGA WITH ""AAA"" AND SUCCESSORS CHIPSETS (HOMBRE PLACKET IS BULLSHIT) AND AN AMIGA CPU EMBED RISC TO TAKE ADVANTAGE FROM ALL THESE GOODIES.I DONT LIKE INTEL AND COMPATIBLE CPUs BECAUSE THEY HAD DISADVANTAGES IN LOTS OF THINGS.AMIGA DESERVES ONLY RISC CPUs IN HER ""HYPOTHETICAL FUTURE"".IF COMMODORE WAS NOT TRADER AND HAD PROCEED IN "AAA" AND ITS DESCENDANT "AAA2" "AAA3" "AAA4" "AAA5" IT MAY PROCEED TO HAD RISC CPUs FOR VASTLY DIFFERRENT 3Ds GAMES BECAUSE ""AAA"" GENERATIONS CHIPSETS HAD PLANAR MODES OR (AND) CHUNKY MODES OR ""DOUBLE SIMULTANEOUS PLANAR-CHUNKY"" MODES IN HER RESOLUTIONS.IF COMMODORE EXISTED TODAYS WE HAD SEEN SOME 1920X1080 PERFECT SCROLLING AND ANIMATION 50FPS 60 FPS SUB PIXEL SCROLLING IN 2D GAMES WITH LOTS OF SPRITES AND FX LIKE ARCADES OR BETTER AND TABLE RENAISSANCE MIDDLECENTURY COMMERCIAL GAMES MASTERPIECES PAINTS AND HUNDREDS THOUSANDS OF SUCH PUBLIC DOMAIN SHAREWARE GAME-TRIES BUT UNFORTUNATELY.........
petsasjim1
Amiga has a risc cpu and OS, PPC.
+Vincent GR YES BUT I WANTED AN ""ALL IN ONE"" PPC AMIGA (E.G. ALL IN ONE LIKE A500) WITH ONBOARD ""BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY"" (NOT PPC UAE PSEUDO EMULATION) THAT HAD AAA AND SUCCESSORS CHIPSET THAT HAD SUPPORT DIRECTLY THE CHIPSET ""TO AND FROM"" RISC.NOT A PUZZLE ""THIRD PARTY"" MACHINE WITH ALL CPUS 68K+PPC+OLD AGA+TOWER+CDROM+HD+GPU PICASSO OR CYBERVISION ETC.I WANT AN ""ALL IN ONE PPC AMIGA"" WITH AAA SUCCESSORS THAT SUPPORT ANYTHING AND CHUNKY AND PLANARS AND ALL MUST BE WORKS PERFECT LIKE IN 68K ALL IN ONE MACHINE SUCH AS RISC+32BITFATAGNUS+32-64BITBLITTER+32-64COPPER+16-32BITPAULA AND OF COURSE WITH ""BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY EVEN WITHOUT DEGRADERS"".THIS IS""MY DREAM""