I love this video and please keep pushing and pleading, am sure they have heard you. I'm just very grateful that you guys are out there talking for the rest of us, God bless you.
Totally agree. As a user of djay Pro (coming from Serato), the software is "almost" there, they just need to focus on the priorities of DJs and not the marketing/PR department. 1. Library Management 2. Hardware Compatibility. I know so many DJs who would switch today, if they got those two things right.
TL:DR djay is very easy custom midi mappable, the lack of audio drivers on iOS for proprietary sound-cards inside most controllers and mixers is the problem. The challenge Algoriddim faces isn't about "midi mapping" or "HID control"; it's primarily centered around audio drivers. Certain controllers are deemed "class compliant," meaning they function without the need for additional software to manage audio input/output. These controllers will have audio from djay iOS out of the box, and may require some form of midi-mapping to make the control surfaces work. Conversely, some controllers and mixers (such as the Pioneer DJM series and many older controllers) necessitate specific audio drivers for sound functionality on a given Operating System (Mac/Windows). Once that audio driver software is installed that gear become class compliant (simplified version). One might argue that this is Algoriddim's dilemma, but in reality, it falls within the realm of the gear manufacturer's responsibility to ensure seamless integration with the OS and the device at that technical level. For DJ software operating on macOS/Windows, once the hardware manufacturer releases the audio driver for the OS, the device essentially becomes "class compliant". And any DJ software can access it. However, crafting proprietary hardware drivers for iOS, the operating system utilized by iPhones and iPads, presents considerable challenges due to Apple's ecosystem design. Economically, it's also impractical for manufacturers to develop drivers for older gear to function on iOS. This is where the discrepancy between macOS and iOS djay comes from. djay macOS relies on the gear's audio drivers, those drivers are not available on iOS. In the foreseeable future, more equipment will transition to being Class Compliant, facilitating compatibility with djay on iOS. Until then, the situation remains as it is and isn't solely Algoriddim's responsibility. All of the above also applies to a certain extent when it comes to utilizing displays on a controller, but that also involves iOS/USB bandwidth restrictions. On a side note, I recently hosted an AMA livestream on djay 5, and another one is in the works soon.
That is never nearly as good as when the mapping is done by the company behind the software So it's nice for re-mapping a few things based on the official mapping It's generally not good for adding support a brand new controller, that on top of MIDI may have HID integration and specific screens
First time I found a common sense well documented comment on this topic. Djs need to start knowing their tools more deeper instead crying for “impossible solutions”. Serato also needs to step up its game but until Apple opens fully DriverKit to allow these things over iPad we are all doomed. Maybe Apple keeps merging technologies and we reach that point but meanwhile Djay is the best djing mobile app possible followed by DjPlayer. Period. The same issues people are experiencing from Serato has been experienced by iOS based djs over years (and DjPlayer has dvs support since first iPad version… iPad 1st gen!) but Serato users are laggards not early adopters and in the meantime we will see what happens with the dj landscape itself. Apple has the key and also are in the leading technologies such stems but djing is just a niche market against things like vision pro spatial computing… etc. In the end to mix A>B any available djing app can handle that and for everything else there’s not real adoption justifying the investment (NI stems I’m looking to you…) so stop ranting people, stop asking for no-sense without knowledge and start studying your tools and pro/cons before “making open letters” and with the knowledge then help others to understand (or craft your own tools) Jm2c
Pn e again, MMG @@MixMasterGyou have impeccable knowledge on dj software and controllers, and liabray management. Tune in to your Ask me anythng Tuesdays sessions, guys! ❤😊
Love DJAY. Use it on my own Mixon 8 pro and a Mixtour. Plan to get the new Mixtour pro later this year. If you have the Mixtour you can plug into ANY club equipment as a backup or main like laidback Luke does, using your laptop, pad or phone.
💯 this conversation is growing. Thank you for bringing that up to the world! A DJ Software that is natively running M chips. Also watched the entire video to see what's cooking! 😅
Thanks for the video, Do you think that Serato will come soon with the Fluid Beatgrid fonction ? Most of my music come from old time (motown, Soul, Disco) and that is such a important feature for me. Thanks for the time to answer.
Duuuuuuuuuuuude!!!! I’ve been harassing them for Hercules T7 compatibility for months , Hercules DJ told me THEY are the ones stalling . THANK YOU very much for this vid , hope it will give them that kick in the ass they need to get back on track. You rule , keep up that good work , great Dude 😎🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
Nailed it! Those new beatgrids and stems are incredible but, I mainly use a Rane Four, not supported. How do you rate the library/crate management? I feel that needs serious improvement too. Serato is so quick and simple in comparison but I would not be happy having to make my crates etc in Serato just to push them to DJay. With more support and improvement library management it’s a no brainer for open format DJs. Hopefully things the sort of video that might push them to make those advances we all want. Great video as always, thanks for addressing this one!
Excellent Video! I totally agree with all of this! If I could rely on djay like I do Serato (and also learn the shortcuts) id consider giving it a full shot!
The way the Vision Pro version displays a mixer and turntables makes me wonder if Algoriddim is looking more toward a DJ hardware-less future, or maybe will start coming out with hardware of their own (perhaps built by someone like Reloop at first, but to Algoriddim’s specifications). That would set them apart from VDJ and others who try to be compatible with everything, and AlphaTheta who primarily build for Serato and Rekordbox, and InMusic who build for their Engine and Serato.
That’s an interesting point, but if I’m being honest, I think it had more to do with getting in Apple’s good graces, and maybe getting Apple Music support for the rest of the apps, you know what I mean? It’s a cool demo, but how many DJs would perform with a Vision Pro strapped to their face? Most DJs I know feel bad having a computer on the stage!
100% true. I have been using Djay Pro for 6 years plus. They deserve to be the world number one Djay software, however, their failure to mini map more hardware mixers and controllers especially pioneer hardware is seriously impacting their true potential. They also need to have their own cloud syncing rather than depending on Apple iCloud to sync cue point etc.
Cleveland. Thanks for this. I have a ddj flx6 (as one controller). I can’t scratch with the jog wheels. Do you know why. It’s supposed to be 100% compatible. They’re not getting back to me and haven’t seen fix in forums. Thanks 🙏🏼
totally agree! i´m a serato user and also want to jump to Djay but i can´t because i have a Rane 4. and buy the way, does you or anyone knows if the crossfader fusion works on mixers like the Djm S11? great video👍👍👍👍
I have mixon8 and mixtour to use with it. I did buy the Buddy recently. I think I’m covered lol. Mixtour Pro is on order. I’ve bought in to the ecosystem. Using iPad, iPhone and laptop is amazing. My issues are 1) you can’t power and use a notation grid midi controller alongside a reloop controller if you use an iPad or iPhone. It just won’t work to control internal features like loops which is how I want to use it. It’s fine with a laptop with extra USB ports - but then you lose touchscreen and smaller form factor options. I also think they could improve library management between devices - it’s a bit confusing and not that intuitive. But the features outweigh the negatives so far. I think it’s amazing and supporting it and using it.
It's so good! Works with my DDj-1000 and My CDJ3000s & A9.. No Clubkit needed. I use it on ipad and iphone... I have used it for years after being a traktor user. It's the future
I totally agree. I am in the process of moving to DJay Pro and the lack of high grade gear that is compatible with DJay is disappointing. My Rane Seventy and Rev 1 work perfectly with it but kind of settled for the Mixon 8 because my first choice of pro controllers aren’t supported yet.
Just commenting at half of the video. Isn’t it possible to make a custom midi map? I use traktor pro (not sure if in the mobile version you can custom map) and it is possible as well as on Ableton for instance. That would be a total deal breaker for me because I use a XoneK2 to dj.
A big thanks for this video! I am a controller addict. I have pioneer, phase, reloop, Hercules, Roland, Rane. Been waiting and waiting for the support for my T7. I don’t know any better, but I wonder if some of the manufacturers are being restrictive with who they work with. 🤔 Hope this video makes an impact. 🙏
Couldn’t agree with you more CT…I attempted to move over completely to Djay Pro last year but end up returning to serato. I have a rane one which is compatible but the execution was less than stellar…certain functions didn’t work as they should and the scratching produced a pitch jump. I think Djay’s focus is software and being able to dj without a controller which is why I believe there isnt as much support for multiple controllers. This is also why I believe they focused on creating compatibility with the Vision Pro instead of more controllers (+ Apple is a beast so probably something going on here with a possible acquisition ?) The software is dope and I’m also a big fan so I hope this changes. BTW, love the “synergy” between your talking points and making the food…dope video
@lavishlifedjs I am also a Rane One controller DJ and I appreciate the fact CT always going above and beyond with your content in helping and supporting the entire DJ community. Lavish, I'm glad you jumped out on faith with this software just to see what the real business was and I will remain in the Serato world until they get it together, but I must say their layout looks very inviting.
Totally agree, I am also ready to make the jump fully to DJay Pro, but because of it’s hardware limitations I can’t, they need to step up if the want to see more DJ adopting to their software.
The only thing stopping me using djay out in the wild. Hope they listen to the feature requests. Sooo many serato users would transition if they did...
You brought up some excellent points in this video! Algorithm Djay should be able to work in multiple set ups and it would be a working Dj’s best friend. Especially Mobil Dj’s that want to use it as a back up.
They have a chance of not letting the whole alpha theta / pioneer/ rekordbox trying to monopolize the Dj industry. So we shall see, I agree there are some limitations, but the stems are superior to the above software and the Apple Music thing is definitely a game changer! 🙌
A couple of things to pick up on. Mobile / iOS incompatibility is normally due to the hardware manufacturers. Class compliant controllers will work. Controllers that aren't class compliant which need drivers won't work with any DJ software on any iOS device because iOS has no concept of loading drivers. The fault is with the hardware manufacturers for not making class compliant controllers which need extra drivers, nothing any software company can do to make those controllers work with iOS. Petition the hardware companies to make only class compliant hardware (or if we insist on only buying hardware that is they'll get the message). The other thing is Apple Music can now be used with DJay but you can't use the stems (neural mix) function on any streamed music. The music industry prevents Apple Music (or Tidal etc) from allowing that. Essentially they're afraid of people stealing parts of their artist's songs to make other songs. Again petition the music industry about this issue, that isn't the fault of the DJ software companies.
Cleveland I can show you how to use Phase & Algoriddim DJay on your DJM-S11. It works flawlessly… we just need the wave display to be fixed on the S11 👌🏾
Cleveland... 100% agree with you! I own lot's of controllers and it's just not compatible with all of them. I'm also a Serato user (since it's inception). It works with some of my setups but not my Pioneer DDJ-REV5. I went ahead and took an afternoon to map the REV5 and it works pretty well. Jog wheels work perfectly too. But it took a long time for me to map it. If I can do it, then why don't they map it??? I'm sure they could have mapped the REV5 in an hour. Why not map all controllers?? I would love to show up to my gigs with an IPAD pro instead of a laptop. But there's another HUGE issue for us wedding DJ's and this has been a complaint for YEARS! There is no way to edit the ID tags in the software. So when I go to prep for a wedding, I can't change the "comment" section in the crate for each song. I usually put something like "first dance", "grand entrance" etc in the comments section for the important songs. This is a complete dealbreaker for me. Wish they would change this but they say that they might do it someday??? They never said that they couldn't do it. It's just not priority to them. So for me... Algoriddim is a great backup but not ready for primetime! PS: Once you Map a controller, it's easy to transfer the mapping to your other IOS devices. So I sent it to my iPhone as a backup too.
Agreed! I’ve used VDJ and Serarto and am now trying to make the jump to DJAY and it won’t or can’t work with my RANE FOUR! If there is any way for them to make this happen I’d be all in. I think the software is amazing but the compatibility is hit or miss with certain controllers.
You are spot on! I’m so close to switching over the Apple Music integration is game changer for me but man… I need my hardware to work across the board and correctly. With all this being said, what an exciting time to be Alive :) cheers mates
The DDJ1000 works with mobile. The audio does not work. So you need to use an external sound card. The mobile device version cannot support Audio on any hardware that isn't core audio compliant. It's a limitation of iOS/iPadOS. But if you are willing to use an external sound device, any midi mappable controller can control the software, and many are low key mapped. I think you know I've been a DJay fan for a bit, but hardware has always been tough, especially on iOS. PS, I will reach out to a friend to see if you can speak to someone fro Algoriddim.
I'm just about done with Serato. I have a brand new very fast computer with dedicated video card, and I mostly do video mixing. When doing an on-the-fly stems analysis my video craps out, and starts getting choppy, and will last that way until I reset the video through the options tab in Serato. I've had it. Serato just can't get the video mixing thing down packed.
@@ClevelandTerry I think I found a solution! I had to do a deep dive on it. I have to test it out on my other computer first, but I may try to post a video on it. Thanks CT!
Serato is restricted too though, right? Doesn't work on iOS or Android. Controller support is locked, so you can't just plug in or even map whatever you like.
Great video. One more thing: I need DJay to support SoundSwitch. And I know they kind of work work Ableton Link, but no, I’m talking *full* SoundSwitch support. This one thing would make me be a full time DJay user.
Would love to use djay as a back up software for VDJ, especially if something happened to my Mac, but no Rev 5 support. I actually learned how to DJ with the DDJ 400 and my phone using djay back when they had Spotify support. I would definitely pay the subscription if I knew it would work with my hardware.
i have been using this for a year now with my iPhone and s7... but i have bombarded them with msg i though they were going to block me.... the new update is better now..... anyways it does work with phase... its just not easy to set it up... first you have to use the audio wires... its not wireless... second the wires need to go to phono... line wont work. and of course you said it... u cant change gears as you wish you have to stick to one set of equipment you will be happy... but its revolutionary... GOODLUCK AND BE PATIENT!😀
I am with you, I am intrigued by this app/software and I wanna be able to use it. I’ve managed to minimize my library down where I can have my whole library on my phone. I wanna see how I can use it and just leave the laptop at home sometimes ya know? Also ever since they added Apple Music support I’m even more on board. Wish they have more available hardware cause I def feel it’s a great piece of software.
@clevelandterry one thing you didn't mention that is holding me back is the lack of hardware unlock. Algoriddim seems to have taken the opposite approach to other DJ software companies by saying, if you have DJ controllers and or pro hardware, that's when you have to pay for a subscription. Personally, I think this is a likely reason for the lack of adoption. Most DJs that have mid to upper tier gear are used to their hardware unlocking Serato. They'd probably be more inclined to give DJay PRO a go if it did the same.
Almost there but the basics need to be looked at. As said in earlier comments, Library management. Before we can even talk about hardware compatibility, the true basics are library management. Not being able to edit titles, not being able to edit ID3 tag? This is the most basic of any software that has to deal with MP3s. I'm currently running the trial on PC With my DDJ SZ2 and it runs great, and it sounds great. But without being able to edit titles on the fly, this is not for me. Especially because it's a subscription. I'd rather buy it out as I have for my other softwares.
I've been using Algoriddim DJay my entire career, I agree with everything you're saying 100%. On the bright side, I haven't had any issues with hardware but it's definitely something I'm always concerned with. Especially with all these new gear drops.
100 percent man. I cant use my pro dj gear and have to cart around a rev 1 because it works well with the ipad. I want to use the rev 7 straight off the cuff when plugging in but its buggy asf. Really does my head in because I love the software.
Cleveland to use phase you need to connect the RCA from phase straight into your mixer. Then you need to go into the phase software and uncheck Serato, it has work for me on the DJM S5 I had to disconnect the turntables from the mixer and put phase rca in the input of the mixer Funny enough, the turntables RCA wasn’t connected to anything and it worked for me brilliantly so please try that way
I agree with you 100%. Djay pro is my favorite software hands down especially with this last update. BUT I am having to use serato pro and/or Rekordbox just to be prepared for any situation. I can do so much and effortlessly with djay pro but only if I go by their standards. Thank you for putting all this on the table. I would love to just run Djay pro primarily.
Fully agree with this video. I think Djay Pro could kick Pioneer DJ from their leadership if they had serious hardware. Merge with a hardware company and take over the market, you can do it !
Big shoutout to @clevelandterry for daring to cook with a white hoodie on. 👏 👏 👏 Djay is a great software, it’ll be top notch when we can travel and use it with more equipment. Especially just having to plug in a iPad instead of a laptop for 1-2hr sets!
I'm seeing a lot of comments of ppl saying they moved from serato to DJ now back to serato. Is it bcuz u can use DJ on a phone that made you guys leave serato?
I tried their new update and fell in love with the software! The Stems are just epic! The smart beatgrids is the future! I wanna get onboard but have been struggling to find a controller I can be fully happy with that is compatible with the software. I thought DDJ 1000 was it but then I realized I could not use it with a phone... Then I thought Denon Sc live 4 could be it but it was not supported...😭 Thanks for sharing this plead! I fully stand behind it! Also! for me to fully fully be onboard I would need Soundswitch integration. Then it would be unbeatable for mobile events.
Your take is correct, and I would further argue this is a problem for the average user for sure. And the cause is Serato’s business model. The way I see it, Serato’s business model is just like Microsoft’s with Windows in the 90s. I wanted to use MacOS or Linux, but always had to go back to Windows because of the device support. Everyone had one random scanner or printer or audio card that the maker just didn’t bother to support on anything but Windows, and without any inside info, it was impossible to write a driver from scratch. I suspect Algoriddim is in the same spot. See, I don’t use a ton of devices, but I love my Rane One. And it works beautifully with DJay Pro, just as good as Serato. And if that was all I was ever going to use, I would be good. But like many DJs, I eventually wanted to move up a bit, so I got a Rane Seventy-Two. This works wonderfully with Serato, but ONLY with Serato. Sure, you can technically mix with DJay Pro on a 72, but you’re quickly going to realize that half the device is wasted space, because (1) most pad modes don’t work because you have to hold shift, so you can only use 5 modes, (2) you can’t use the waveform view, (3) you can’t use the song browser view, (4) the DJay Pro effects don’t work! Talk about buyer’s remorse. Turns out the Seventy works MUCH better with DJay Pro, which wasn’t clear to me before my purchase. For the average customer, you’re going to end up pretty grumpy with Algoriddim. And that’s the problem. Sooner or later, it will bite most people. So yeah, I agree 100%, I feel you. I suspect there’s a lot of behind-the-scenes effort between Serato and companies like Rane, and it’s a pity. Especially for Rane, who in my opinion is not paying attention to which way the wind is blowing.
DJAY PRO was my first DJ program. I chose it primarily because of Spotify integration, and it ran on my windows laptop. Sadly, the mapping for my controller was messed up. And there was no way to fix it. I still used it for a few events, but had to remember to manually change the program on the laptop instead of the controller. But then they walked away from Windows and might as well have been mac only. So I've moved on and become spoiled by the custom mapping capabilities of TRAKTOR and Virtual DJ. I haven't looked at the software since, and am not inclined to do so as I'm not a mac-centric DJ; but I am very happy to see them succeeding. They are pushing the envelope for what can/should be in software and a rising tide lifts all boats (and all that). Actually, I have used it recently, for a wedding cocktail hour. I loaded it on my Android phone and it was fine. Not awesome, but fine. But that was the previous version and I expect current is better. So good luck Algoriddim! I wish you well, and I wish you success on your path from what you were to your vision of who you want to be.
I use djay on my iPad plugged into my djm2000 usb port to do exactly that, cdj’s on 2 channels and djay for the other 2 channels. I also have the flx6 which actually works great with the newer usb-c iPads providing buss power for the whole device which is an unexpected surprise and it works flawlessly with djay too.
Totally agree, Always liked and followed the software, but like you being able to beat grid old 80s songs & tracks with live drummers with fluctuating rhythms really made me sit up and think of changing from rekordbox, plus obviously the stems which are in real time - that’s fantastic, but I’ve got a DJ flx10 and I can’t use it with that on either Mac or iPhone 15 Pro, and at the other end of the scale I’ve still got my old DDJ-RR but that also doesn’t work with it - that’s ridiculous.
It would also be nice if they could make SoundSwitch work as well. I'd really like to make the jump completely but for half of my events I still need to use VDJ. Their software is likely one of the best available, now if more DJ's could use it that would be great.
If we can use Algorittim dj with an ipad on a pioneer club set up its game over!!! But does pioneer agree with that? Would be the end to recordbox serato and tractor!
The timing of this video! :( I've been using Djay Pro for many year and yesterday went to buy a new controller. I really wanted the Flx10 but... Ended up HAVING to buy a Rane One as it was the only compatible controller that met my needs that was supported! The controller compatibility issue is long been ridiculous with Algoriddim and I don't think they'll change anytime soon they don't seem to care enough! Also they really need to impliment a way to sync playlists across devices it's such a pain having to do it all manually across different devices (I have internal library I don't use streaming services)
I invested into the Reloop Beat Pad 2 system for DJAY Pro and then they dropped Spotify compatibility which was the whole reason I bought it in the first place, Apple music just doesn't have half the underground UK jungle DnB and UK Hiphop. I agree on this video DJAY needs to work with an iPad pro into Pioneer gear where it can only do the Flex4.
I might have to do a switch my try out was a success. Display is a lot more clear, especially for some with progressive vision and just by subscribing to pro you can get mp4s to the package where rekordbox you gotta up the plan to at least double the price. Lots of goodies here and very user friendly. Definitely inviting. Let’s hope they hear you out. I’m game.
Sorry, peeps, should’ve clarified, I mean wireless HD mode with phase doesn’t work.
Word has it that its on the way
It is but until it’s in my hands it’s still an issue.
I love this video and please keep pushing and pleading, am sure they have heard you. I'm just very grateful that you guys are out there talking for the rest of us, God bless you.
Totally agree. As a user of djay Pro (coming from Serato), the software is "almost" there, they just need to focus on the priorities of DJs and not the marketing/PR department. 1. Library Management 2. Hardware Compatibility. I know so many DJs who would switch today, if they got those two things right.
3. SoundSwitch
@@JrGap3rd you can use soundswitch via ableton link but it will only run your autoloops etc, but they will be on beat
@@JrGap3rdwhats soundswitch?
TL:DR djay is very easy custom midi mappable, the lack of audio drivers on iOS for proprietary sound-cards inside most controllers and mixers is the problem.
The challenge Algoriddim faces isn't about "midi mapping" or "HID control"; it's primarily centered around audio drivers.
Certain controllers are deemed "class compliant," meaning they function without the need for additional software to manage audio input/output. These controllers will have audio from djay iOS out of the box, and may require some form of midi-mapping to make the control surfaces work.
Conversely, some controllers and mixers (such as the Pioneer DJM series and many older controllers) necessitate specific audio drivers for sound functionality on a given Operating System (Mac/Windows). Once that audio driver software is installed that gear become class compliant (simplified version).
One might argue that this is Algoriddim's dilemma, but in reality, it falls within the realm of the gear manufacturer's responsibility to ensure seamless integration with the OS and the device at that technical level.
For DJ software operating on macOS/Windows, once the hardware manufacturer releases the audio driver for the OS, the device essentially becomes "class compliant". And any DJ software can access it.
However, crafting proprietary hardware drivers for iOS, the operating system utilized by iPhones and iPads, presents considerable challenges due to Apple's ecosystem design. Economically, it's also impractical for manufacturers to develop drivers for older gear to function on iOS.
This is where the discrepancy between macOS and iOS djay comes from. djay macOS relies on the gear's audio drivers, those drivers are not available on iOS.
In the foreseeable future, more equipment will transition to being Class Compliant, facilitating compatibility with djay on iOS. Until then, the situation remains as it is and isn't solely Algoriddim's responsibility.
All of the above also applies to a certain extent when it comes to utilizing displays on a controller, but that also involves iOS/USB bandwidth restrictions.
On a side note, I recently hosted an AMA livestream on djay 5, and another one is in the works soon.
That is never nearly as good as when the mapping is done by the company behind the software
So it's nice for re-mapping a few things based on the official mapping
It's generally not good for adding support a brand new controller, that on top of MIDI may have HID integration and specific screens
@@klausmogensen8691 true, HID mapping by software is preferred, but that's not the point of my comment.
First time I found a common sense well documented comment on this topic. Djs need to start knowing their tools more deeper instead crying for “impossible solutions”. Serato also needs to step up its game but until Apple opens fully DriverKit to allow these things over iPad we are all doomed. Maybe Apple keeps merging technologies and we reach that point but meanwhile Djay is the best djing mobile app possible followed by DjPlayer. Period.
The same issues people are experiencing from Serato has been experienced by iOS based djs over years (and DjPlayer has dvs support since first iPad version… iPad 1st gen!) but Serato users are laggards not early adopters and in the meantime we will see what happens with the dj landscape itself. Apple has the key and also are in the leading technologies such stems but djing is just a niche market against things like vision pro spatial computing… etc.
In the end to mix A>B any available djing app can handle that and for everything else there’s not real adoption justifying the investment (NI stems I’m looking to you…) so stop ranting people, stop asking for no-sense without knowledge and start studying your tools and pro/cons before “making open letters” and with the knowledge then help others to understand (or craft your own tools)
Jm2c
Thanks for the info. Very interesting
Pn e again, MMG @@MixMasterGyou have impeccable knowledge on dj software and controllers, and liabray management.
Tune in to your Ask me anythng Tuesdays sessions, guys! ❤😊
Love DJAY. Use it on my own Mixon 8 pro and a Mixtour. Plan to get the new Mixtour pro later this year. If you have the Mixtour you can plug into ANY club equipment as a backup or main like laidback Luke does, using your laptop, pad or phone.
Great video. Love the formatting and production!
💯. I shared your video on the Facebook djay user group. There's no excuse for them not to support the t7 or the rev5 both are basic controllers.
My FLX10 custom mapping (see DJAY community forum) work with instant double stems and MAC or IPAD or IPHONE
💯 this conversation is growing. Thank you for bringing that up to the world!
A DJ Software that is natively running M chips.
Also watched the entire video to see what's cooking! 😅
Thanks for the video, Do you think that Serato will come soon with the Fluid Beatgrid fonction ? Most of my music come from old time (motown, Soul, Disco) and that is such a important feature for me. Thanks for the time to answer.
Duuuuuuuuuuuude!!!! I’ve been harassing them for Hercules T7 compatibility for months , Hercules DJ told me THEY are the ones stalling . THANK YOU very much for this vid , hope it will give them that kick in the ass they need to get back on track. You rule , keep up that good work , great Dude 😎🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
Nailed it! Those new beatgrids and stems are incredible but, I mainly use a Rane Four, not supported.
How do you rate the library/crate management? I feel that needs serious improvement too. Serato is so quick and simple in comparison but I would not be happy having to make my crates etc in Serato just to push them to DJay.
With more support and improvement library management it’s a no brainer for open format DJs.
Hopefully things the sort of video that might push them to make those advances we all want.
Great video as always, thanks for addressing this one!
Excellent Video! I totally agree with all of this! If I could rely on djay like I do Serato (and also learn the shortcuts) id consider giving it a full shot!
thank you for adressing this ! i really hope they listen
Great video Cleveland...that's all I want too!
The way the Vision Pro version displays a mixer and turntables makes me wonder if Algoriddim is looking more toward a DJ hardware-less future, or maybe will start coming out with hardware of their own (perhaps built by someone like Reloop at first, but to Algoriddim’s specifications). That would set them apart from VDJ and others who try to be compatible with everything, and AlphaTheta who primarily build for Serato and Rekordbox, and InMusic who build for their Engine and Serato.
That’s an interesting point, but if I’m being honest, I think it had more to do with getting in Apple’s good graces, and maybe getting Apple Music support for the rest of the apps, you know what I mean? It’s a cool demo, but how many DJs would perform with a Vision Pro strapped to their face? Most DJs I know feel bad having a computer on the stage!
100% true. I have been using Djay Pro for 6 years plus. They deserve to be the world number one Djay software, however, their failure to mini map more hardware mixers and controllers especially pioneer hardware is seriously impacting their true potential. They also need to have their own cloud syncing rather than depending on Apple iCloud to sync cue point etc.
Cleveland. Thanks for this. I have a ddj flx6 (as one controller). I can’t scratch with the jog wheels. Do you know why. It’s supposed to be 100% compatible. They’re not getting back to me and haven’t seen fix in forums. Thanks 🙏🏼
totally agree! i´m a serato user and also want to jump to Djay but i can´t because i have a Rane 4. and buy the way, does you or anyone knows if the crossfader fusion works on mixers like the Djm S11? great video👍👍👍👍
great video! As a Doctor Im impressed with your harmonic mix of food groups ;))
Thank you. 😀
I have mixon8 and mixtour to use with it. I did buy the Buddy recently. I think I’m covered lol.
Mixtour Pro is on order. I’ve bought in to the ecosystem. Using iPad, iPhone and laptop is amazing.
My issues are 1) you can’t power and use a notation grid midi controller alongside a reloop controller if you use an iPad or iPhone. It just won’t work to control internal features like loops which is how I want to use it. It’s fine with a laptop with extra USB ports - but then you lose touchscreen and smaller form factor options.
I also think they could improve library management between devices - it’s a bit confusing and not that intuitive.
But the features outweigh the negatives so far. I think it’s amazing and supporting it and using it.
It's so good! Works with my DDj-1000 and My CDJ3000s & A9.. No Clubkit needed. I use it on ipad and iphone... I have used it for years after being a traktor user. It's the future
I totally agree. I am in the process of moving to DJay Pro and the lack of high grade gear that is compatible with DJay is disappointing. My Rane Seventy and Rev 1 work perfectly with it but kind of settled for the Mixon 8 because my first choice of pro controllers aren’t supported yet.
It works perfectly with the 3000s and A9 !!
It works great with the rev7. Besides the jog display Ofcourse
Amen. they definitely need to become more compatible. My issue is that it only reads Serato crates from internal storage NOT an external HD.
How about compatibility with the Denon Prime Go? I know, too much to ask.
Thanks for the change in the Production of Video.
Thank you for appreciating it.
Just commenting at half of the video. Isn’t it possible to make a custom midi map? I use traktor pro (not sure if in the mobile version you can custom map) and it is possible as well as on Ableton for instance. That would be a total deal breaker for me because I use a XoneK2 to dj.
A big thanks for this video! I am a controller addict. I have pioneer, phase, reloop, Hercules, Roland, Rane. Been waiting and waiting for the support for my T7. I don’t know any better, but I wonder if some of the manufacturers are being restrictive with who they work with. 🤔 Hope this video makes an impact. 🙏
Why not get a DDj rev 1 as back up ?
Couldn’t agree with you more CT…I attempted to move over completely to Djay Pro last year but end up returning to serato. I have a rane one which is compatible but the execution was less than stellar…certain functions didn’t work as they should and the scratching produced a pitch jump.
I think Djay’s focus is software and being able to dj without a controller which is why I believe there isnt as much support for multiple controllers. This is also why I believe they focused on creating compatibility with the Vision Pro instead of more controllers (+ Apple is a beast so probably something going on here with a possible acquisition ?)
The software is dope and I’m also a big fan so I hope this changes.
BTW, love the “synergy” between your talking points and making the food…dope video
@lavishlifedjs I am also a Rane One controller DJ and I appreciate the fact CT always going above and beyond with your content in helping and supporting the entire DJ community. Lavish, I'm glad you jumped out on faith with this software just to see what the real business was and I will remain in the Serato world until they get it together, but I must say their layout looks very inviting.
Totally agree, I am also ready to make the jump fully to DJay Pro, but because of it’s hardware limitations I can’t, they need to step up if the want to see more DJ adopting to their software.
I installed Neural Mix but haven't started the trial of Djay. I'll keep a. Eye out for these issues
07:20 Lucky you. It does not work with Serato crates that are not stored on the internal drive. They need to fix that.
The only thing stopping me using djay out in the wild. Hope they listen to the feature requests. Sooo many serato users would transition if they did...
You brought up some excellent points in this video! Algorithm Djay should be able to work in multiple set ups and it would be a working Dj’s best friend. Especially Mobil Dj’s that want to use it as a back up.
Totally agree but the same with traktor pro 3
I've got djay pro it doesn't work with numark ns7 mk3.
ON POINT! I LIKE HOW YOU THINK! ✌️
They have a chance of not letting the whole alpha theta / pioneer/ rekordbox trying to monopolize the Dj industry. So we shall see, I agree there are some limitations, but the stems are superior to the above software and the Apple Music thing is definitely a game changer! 🙌
A couple of things to pick up on. Mobile / iOS incompatibility is normally due to the hardware manufacturers. Class compliant controllers will work. Controllers that aren't class compliant which need drivers won't work with any DJ software on any iOS device because iOS has no concept of loading drivers. The fault is with the hardware manufacturers for not making class compliant controllers which need extra drivers, nothing any software company can do to make those controllers work with iOS.
Petition the hardware companies to make only class compliant hardware (or if we insist on only buying hardware that is they'll get the message).
The other thing is Apple Music can now be used with DJay but you can't use the stems (neural mix) function on any streamed music. The music industry prevents Apple Music (or Tidal etc) from allowing that. Essentially they're afraid of people stealing parts of their artist's songs to make other songs. Again petition the music industry about this issue, that isn't the fault of the DJ software companies.
Cleveland I can show you how to use Phase & Algoriddim DJay on your DJM-S11. It works flawlessly… we just need the wave display to be fixed on the S11 👌🏾
Wireless Hid mode.
Agreed the ability to dj from your iPad with a t7 would be insane
I'm with you - since djay 5 I also want to switch. unfortunately no rane four support. Only my Backup controller works (ddj-rx)
I feel the same way, great video
Cleveland... 100% agree with you! I own lot's of controllers and it's just not compatible with all of them. I'm also a Serato user (since it's inception). It works with some of my setups but not my Pioneer DDJ-REV5. I went ahead and took an afternoon to map the REV5 and it works pretty well. Jog wheels work perfectly too. But it took a long time for me to map it. If I can do it, then why don't they map it??? I'm sure they could have mapped the REV5 in an hour. Why not map all controllers?? I would love to show up to my gigs with an IPAD pro instead of a laptop. But there's another HUGE issue for us wedding DJ's and this has been a complaint for YEARS! There is no way to edit the ID tags in the software. So when I go to prep for a wedding, I can't change the "comment" section in the crate for each song. I usually put something like "first dance", "grand entrance" etc in the comments section for the important songs. This is a complete dealbreaker for me. Wish they would change this but they say that they might do it someday??? They never said that they couldn't do it. It's just not priority to them. So for me... Algoriddim is a great backup but not ready for primetime! PS: Once you Map a controller, it's easy to transfer the mapping to your other IOS devices. So I sent it to my iPhone as a backup too.
Could you also map older controllers like a Rane 57-MKII to work with the software?
Agreed, they still can’t use the screen on the Rev7 with this software.
Agreed! I’ve used VDJ and Serarto and am now trying to make the jump to DJAY and it won’t or can’t work with my RANE FOUR! If there is any way for them to make this happen I’d be all in. I think the software is amazing but the compatibility is hit or miss with certain controllers.
Also. It is slow when you press the buttons (stems) when triggering it on the Rev7
I have noticed that.
You are spot on! I’m so close to switching over the Apple Music integration is game changer for me but man… I need my hardware to work across the board and correctly. With all this being said, what an exciting time to be Alive :) cheers mates
Yea once deejay can plug & play like virtual dj with all the gear they will be the real option for professionals
The DDJ1000 works with mobile. The audio does not work. So you need to use an external sound card. The mobile device version cannot support Audio on any hardware that isn't core audio compliant. It's a limitation of iOS/iPadOS. But if you are willing to use an external sound device, any midi mappable controller can control the software, and many are low key mapped. I think you know I've been a DJay fan for a bit, but hardware has always been tough, especially on iOS. PS, I will reach out to a friend to see if you can speak to someone fro Algoriddim.
Rev 1 and Rev 7 are supported and not the Rev 5 and it's not importing id tags from serato crates like cue points, unless it does now.
I'm just about done with Serato. I have a brand new very fast computer with dedicated video card, and I mostly do video mixing. When doing an on-the-fly stems analysis my video craps out, and starts getting choppy, and will last that way until I reset the video through the options tab in Serato. I've had it. Serato just can't get the video mixing thing down packed.
Pick up resolume or something else like it. Serato has not kept up with video at all. Or else go to one of the competitors
@@ClevelandTerry I think I found a solution! I had to do a deep dive on it. I have to test it out on my other computer first, but I may try to post a video on it. Thanks CT!
Serato is restricted too though, right? Doesn't work on iOS or Android. Controller support is locked, so you can't just plug in or even map whatever you like.
Serato never claimed to be open
Not open but it’s the standard at least in professional settings
Very nice cooking tutorial. What were you saying about some deejay thingy 🤣
lol
Well said 👏🏼
Great video. One more thing: I need DJay to support SoundSwitch. And I know they kind of work work Ableton Link, but no, I’m talking *full* SoundSwitch support. This one thing would make me be a full time DJay user.
I"ve had it almost a month now and can't get it to read my serato crates
I'd love to know how you got it to do that. Ima Windows user btw
If you're serato crates are on an external drive then it can't. I've been asking them for this also. Impossible for me to transition otherwise...
@@cosmicbaggy9637 I thought that, but mine are on the internal drive.. and still no dice
Would love to use djay as a back up software for VDJ, especially if something happened to my Mac, but no Rev 5 support. I actually learned how to DJ with the DDJ 400 and my phone using djay back when they had Spotify support. I would definitely pay the subscription if I knew it would work with my hardware.
Yep, exact same. Was so excited and thought I could use my T7. Nope.
i have been using this for a year now with my iPhone and s7... but i have bombarded them with msg i though they were going to block me.... the new update is better now..... anyways it does work with phase... its just not easy to set it up... first you have to use the audio wires... its not wireless... second the wires need to go to phono... line wont work. and of course you said it... u cant change gears as you wish you have to stick to one set of equipment you will be happy... but its revolutionary... GOODLUCK AND BE PATIENT!😀
I am with you, I am intrigued by this app/software and I wanna be able to use it. I’ve managed to minimize my library down where I can have my whole library on my phone.
I wanna see how I can use it and just leave the laptop at home sometimes ya know?
Also ever since they added Apple Music support I’m even more on board.
Wish they have more available hardware cause I def feel it’s a great piece of software.
Anyone using DJay Pro with Pioneer S11 and Rane 12s if so how is it working?
@clevelandterry one thing you didn't mention that is holding me back is the lack of hardware unlock. Algoriddim seems to have taken the opposite approach to other DJ software companies by saying, if you have DJ controllers and or pro hardware, that's when you have to pay for a subscription. Personally, I think this is a likely reason for the lack of adoption. Most DJs that have mid to upper tier gear are used to their hardware unlocking Serato. They'd probably be more inclined to give DJay PRO a go if it did the same.
Any updates?
Almost there but the basics need to be looked at. As said in earlier comments, Library management. Before we can even talk about hardware compatibility, the true basics are library management. Not being able to edit titles, not being able to edit ID3 tag? This is the most basic of any software that has to deal with MP3s. I'm currently running the trial on PC With my DDJ SZ2 and it runs great, and it sounds great. But without being able to edit titles on the fly, this is not for me. Especially because it's a subscription. I'd rather buy it out as I have for my other softwares.
Oh man, because I use my serato crate I didn’t even realize that you couldn’t update at all. That’s crazy. Yeah they need to fix that.
I've been using Algoriddim DJay my entire career, I agree with everything you're saying 100%. On the bright side, I haven't had any issues with hardware but it's definitely something I'm always concerned with. Especially with all these new gear drops.
I love that program on my photo to play cocktail music. I am not ready to use it for my main system.
100 percent man. I cant use my pro dj gear and have to cart around a rev 1 because it works well with the ipad. I want to use the rev 7 straight off the cuff when plugging in but its buggy asf. Really does my head in because I love the software.
100% with you on this 👍🏻
Cleveland to use phase you need to connect the RCA from phase straight into your mixer. Then you need to go into the phase software and uncheck Serato, it has work for me on the DJM S5 I had to disconnect the turntables from the mixer and put phase rca in the input of the mixer Funny enough, the turntables RCA wasn’t connected to anything and it worked for me brilliantly so please try that way
Wireless Hid mode is what in was referring to.
EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID!!!..This was great Cleveland !!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I agree with you 100%. Djay pro is my favorite software hands down especially with this last update. BUT I am having to use serato pro and/or Rekordbox just to be prepared for any situation. I can do so much and effortlessly with djay pro but only if I go by their standards. Thank you for putting all this on the table. I would love to just run Djay pro primarily.
yep i love DJAY but they need to do a VDJ and have their software work with all the major hardware at least
Fully agree with this video. I think Djay Pro could kick Pioneer DJ from their leadership if they had serious hardware. Merge with a hardware company and take over the market, you can do it !
I like DJay I just need better library management. I also agree on the hardware 100%. Thank you for your videos!
I’ve been using it since I came back and there something’s that are and aren’t but for the most part it’s great. I use rane one
Big shoutout to @clevelandterry for daring to cook with a white hoodie on. 👏 👏 👏 Djay is a great software, it’ll be top notch when we can travel and use it with more equipment. Especially just having to plug in a iPad instead of a laptop for 1-2hr sets!
I'm seeing a lot of comments of ppl saying they moved from serato to DJ now back to serato. Is it bcuz u can use DJ on a phone that made you guys leave serato?
I’ve switched for virtual dj to dj ai and love it. But in your case yes it makes sense to ask for a bit more compatibility
I tried their new update and fell in love with the software! The Stems are just epic! The smart beatgrids is the future! I wanna get onboard but have been struggling to find a controller I can be fully happy with that is compatible with the software. I thought DDJ 1000 was it but then I realized I could not use it with a phone... Then I thought Denon Sc live 4 could be it but it was not supported...😭 Thanks for sharing this plead! I fully stand behind it!
Also! for me to fully fully be onboard I would need Soundswitch integration. Then it would be unbeatable for mobile events.
ADJP doesn’t read my serato crates. (Maybe because their I’m using a EX HD? 🤷🏼♂️
Your take is correct, and I would further argue this is a problem for the average user for sure. And the cause is Serato’s business model.
The way I see it, Serato’s business model is just like Microsoft’s with Windows in the 90s. I wanted to use MacOS or Linux, but always had to go back to Windows because of the device support. Everyone had one random scanner or printer or audio card that the maker just didn’t bother to support on anything but Windows, and without any inside info, it was impossible to write a driver from scratch.
I suspect Algoriddim is in the same spot.
See, I don’t use a ton of devices, but I love my Rane One. And it works beautifully with DJay Pro, just as good as Serato. And if that was all I was ever going to use, I would be good.
But like many DJs, I eventually wanted to move up a bit, so I got a Rane Seventy-Two. This works wonderfully with Serato, but ONLY with Serato. Sure, you can technically mix with DJay Pro on a 72, but you’re quickly going to realize that half the device is wasted space, because (1) most pad modes don’t work because you have to hold shift, so you can only use 5 modes, (2) you can’t use the waveform view, (3) you can’t use the song browser view, (4) the DJay Pro effects don’t work!
Talk about buyer’s remorse. Turns out the Seventy works MUCH better with DJay Pro, which wasn’t clear to me before my purchase. For the average customer, you’re going to end up pretty grumpy with Algoriddim. And that’s the problem. Sooner or later, it will bite most people.
So yeah, I agree 100%, I feel you. I suspect there’s a lot of behind-the-scenes effort between Serato and companies like Rane, and it’s a pity. Especially for Rane, who in my opinion is not paying attention to which way the wind is blowing.
With you on that one with out a doubt. ✊
Yeah my pioneer flx -10 won’t work . 😢
See my custom FLX10 mapping in DJAY forum
DJAY PRO was my first DJ program. I chose it primarily because of Spotify integration, and it ran on my windows laptop. Sadly, the mapping for my controller was messed up. And there was no way to fix it. I still used it for a few events, but had to remember to manually change the program on the laptop instead of the controller. But then they walked away from Windows and might as well have been mac only. So I've moved on and become spoiled by the custom mapping capabilities of TRAKTOR and Virtual DJ.
I haven't looked at the software since, and am not inclined to do so as I'm not a mac-centric DJ; but I am very happy to see them succeeding. They are pushing the envelope for what can/should be in software and a rising tide lifts all boats (and all that).
Actually, I have used it recently, for a wedding cocktail hour. I loaded it on my Android phone and it was fine. Not awesome, but fine. But that was the previous version and I expect current is better.
So good luck Algoriddim! I wish you well, and I wish you success on your path from what you were to your vision of who you want to be.
I was just literally just saying this last week and was going to email them and ask if they were gonna have Android support for the T7
RANE 4 and Denon sc6000m....??? Pioneer xp2
Dope we are same timing.
I agree with you completely. I wish I could plug into my FLX10 with my iPhone as a back up or for requests on the fly without having to get wifi.
You can plug your phone into the FLX10 - line inputs. Run DJay on the phone, find request, play via line inputs.
I use djay on my iPad plugged into my djm2000 usb port to do exactly that, cdj’s on 2 channels and djay for the other 2 channels. I also have the flx6 which actually works great with the newer usb-c iPads providing buss power for the whole device which is an unexpected surprise and it works flawlessly with djay too.
How are the line inputs / preamps on the FLX10? Are they much improved from the DDJ-1000?@@groovindj
@@DJNeerav No idea - I don't own either product. IMO though, if you're using a phone as a source, why worry about quality of inputs.
@@DJNeeravyes they are
Man this is so TRUE.
Totally agree, Always liked and followed the software, but like you being able to beat grid old 80s songs & tracks with live drummers with fluctuating rhythms really made me sit up and think of changing from rekordbox, plus obviously the stems which are in real time - that’s fantastic, but I’ve got a DJ flx10 and I can’t use it with that on either Mac or iPhone 15 Pro, and at the other end of the scale I’ve still got my old DDJ-RR but that also doesn’t work with it - that’s ridiculous.
It would also be nice if they could make SoundSwitch work as well. I'd really like to make the jump completely but for half of my events I still need to use VDJ. Their software is likely one of the best available, now if more DJ's could use it that would be great.
If we can use Algorittim dj with an ipad on a pioneer club set up its game over!!! But does pioneer agree with that? Would be the end to recordbox serato and tractor!
Is fluid beatgrid only on Mac?
I actually haven’t used it on PC so I’m not sure.
Its on ios too
The timing of this video! :(
I've been using Djay Pro for many year and yesterday went to buy a new controller.
I really wanted the Flx10 but... Ended up HAVING to buy a Rane One as it was the only compatible controller that met my needs that was supported! The controller compatibility issue is long been ridiculous with Algoriddim and I don't think they'll change anytime soon they don't seem to care enough!
Also they really need to impliment a way to sync playlists across devices it's such a pain having to do it all manually across different devices (I have internal library I don't use streaming services)
Algoriddim Please Make 16 hotcue points per deck! ❤️ Ready to switch from serato 🔥
Agreed 👍🏽 let's go DJ...!!!
I invested into the Reloop Beat Pad 2 system for DJAY Pro and then they dropped Spotify compatibility which was the whole reason I bought it in the first place, Apple music just doesn't have half the underground UK jungle DnB and UK Hiphop. I agree on this video DJAY needs to work with an iPad pro into Pioneer gear where it can only do the Flex4.
Man forget all this what time is the food gonna be ready lol jk great video hopefully they listen!!
I might have to do a switch my try out was a success. Display is a lot more clear, especially for some with progressive vision and just by subscribing to pro you can get mp4s to the package where rekordbox you gotta up the plan to at least double the price. Lots of goodies here and very user friendly. Definitely inviting. Let’s hope they hear you out. I’m game.
Could someone do a patch to use it with the rev 7
so that all the functions work
It works on the rev7