ROADIE REACTIONS: REWIND | "Fear Factory - Zero Signal" [THE FIRST METAL SONG I EVER HEARD]
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2024
- Let's take a trip back in time and listen to the very first song I ever heard that got me into heavy metal music...
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Thank you I’m glad the album played a big significant role in your childhood.
A few fun facts: the band started in 1990 not 1989.
There’s more songs from the Terminator II movie that we used samples from,one of the ones u didn’t mention is “H-K” in the middle and at the end of the song we use “we live to face a new nightmare the war against the machines” and other songs as well .
COW did not play bass on the Demanufacture album. The producer Collin Richardson asked me to play bass cause Christian was so new in the band he didn’t know all the parts and by the way I didn’t change any riffs during the album recording, all the riffs and arrangements are the same from the Demanufacture demo.
Ray ,Burt and I were very well prepared with our parts before going into recording this album, we didn’t want to waste anytime cause time is money. I mean u can hear that we were very well rehearsed we were a band firing on all cylinders. COW was just to new in the band
Hope this helps
Thank you
The man himself has spoken!
Dino, thank you very much for taking the time to respond and throw in some of the history directly from you. I honestly can't believe I forgot about the "H-K" samples, because that's one of my other favorites from that entire album.
I also find it fascinating how much stories get changed over time and lost in translation compared to what the band members actually say. Most of the sources I use for the pop ups are from publications and/or actual interviews, and even then it is wild how different the reported story is compared to what an actual band members SAYS.
But again, thank you, man, and thank you for the years and years of awesome music.
This was amazing and fascinating and a great insight into the first album to ever absolutely blow my mind. Wow.
Holy s...Dino replied here. I must say - Fear Factory was my first metal band since 1995 - Zero Signal - from MK - you know that. And its still one of my very very favorite bands. And you concert in my russian city was amazing. I had autograph from you - and all that was just amazing experience. I sung almost all of the lyrics on that night. Best wishes from Siberia! :)
Dino, I cannot fully express how much joy FF has brought to my life. I have enjoyed every album and I wish you the best in your ventures! I will never stop resisting!
I know FF's got a new singer and I'm definitely gonna check out the new album. I do hope you get Rhys Fulber to produce the new album and take into account a lot of his opinions. I know metal purists get critical when a lot of electronic elements are used but for me that is what has made FF different. I love the mixing and the use of non-metal sounds being brought forth. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Then again I'd say use actual ukeleles, choirs, brass pipes, etc, Feel free to experiment, I'm sure I'm not the only one who would love to hear FF doing so even if in not a live setting.
Fear Factory has been criminally underrated. When it was among the first with a technologically brutal style, but without oversaturation in the sound. Their crystal metal sound and superb lyrics will always be part of my life. Demanufacture is an absolute masterpiece, obsolote is near. Thanx for the video man, keep the good work!!!!
FEAR....
nevermind.....just listen to the rest.
Obsolete was F#&@'&g Masterful
Demanufacture was so far ahead of its time, its still to this day one of my favorite albums. the first time i heard them was in the opening video to the game Carmageddon. I fell in love with it Zero Signal then and ther and it took me weeks to save up enough pocket money to buy the album, kick starting my life long love of metal music.
Yeah, carmageddon!!!
"For those about to die.. we salute you" Love the Carmageddon series
man your story of fear factory is exactly how i discovered them. 1995 watching mortal kombat in theatres and begging my parents to buy me the record. It had a profanity warning on the label so my dad had to listen to the album in the store first. Sure enough the second track by gravity kills and a very clear cuss word "im FUCKING tired of saying goodbye". Was probably the only swear word in the whole album haha but my dad didnt say anything to my mum and the rest is history. My dad just passed away 3 days ago so thankyou for reminding me of that memory.
Man, sorry for your loss, but thank you for sharing that with me.
My grandma took me to see this in 95. 🤘
Fear Factory was my gateway into metal via Mortal Kombat as well. Still love their classic albums from the mid 90's.
every time i hear this song i remember scorpion badass battle with johnny cage.
The best combo ever: Mortal Kombat and Metal...
I own the record. Burton, Raymond, Dino and the bass player combined one of the best records. Raymond's drumming. Uncanny
My favorite song is Self-Bias Resistior
Carmageddon and metal is my fav. tho but MK / metal isent bad either
"Music is fucking awesome" well said... well said!
Can't go wrong with these guys! Saw them in NC a couple years ago and the show was phenomenal!!! First song they played was "Shock"!! Freaking awesome!! 🤘🤘 Personal fav as of now is their newest release "Fuel Injected Suicide Machine". They also made me cry the first time from a metal song "Linchpin". So beautifully written and orchestrated!
Rhys Fulber and his band Front Line Assembly did a great album just before Demanufacture called Millenium. Quitar player for that was none other than Devin Townsend!
I got to play a show with Dino when he was in Divine Heresy. 🤘
The Carmageddon intro is all I can think about with this one! It's actually Carmageddon that got me listening to Fear Factory back in the mid/late 90s! Great game, even better band!
Demanufacture was one of the most important albums of my late teens when it came out, rock on man!
As a metal head for 30yrs now if I had to choose 3 bands and there whole catalog and that’s all I could listen to for the rest of my life Fear Factory would definitely be one of the 3 bands for me that band speaks to my soul
Same!
1995: how advanced was this band at that time
@@aaohknsn extremely advanced. To this day there has never been another band that even remotely sounds like Fear Factory.
Fear Factory's "Demanufacture" and Meshuggah's "Chaosphere" were the two albums that got me into the heavier side of metal. I will forever love this album.
I loved Fear Factory back in the day. Still go back to them every now and then. Just an awesome band
One of my top 5 back in the 90s. :)
My first time hearing them was live in Maine for a Halloween concert headlined by Rob Zombie. They were promoting Obsolete and he was promoting Hellbilly Deluxe. Went for Zombie as I never heard of Fear Factory before but when I left that concert I went out the next day and bought all three albums that were out at the time and cranked it. Never heard anything like it before and just loved it.
Fear Factory was always so amazing. One of my favorite bands. I've seen them live so many times. I don't hear to many people talk about them anymore, but they were so original and so ahead of their time.
My fondest memory of the band was a concert in Amsterdam I went to of them in the early 2000s (Christian was the guitarist at that time). My boyfriend (now husband) managed to convince someone of the crew to allow us to talk with Herrera about him potentially doing the soundtrack of a video game we were working on. We hit it off so much, he asked us to come into the tourbus and we spent the whole night talking about music and video games. He gave us his contact info for Herrera Productions. We really do wanted him on board, unfortunately the game got cancelled. :( But we had the times of our lives. Herrera and Hoglan were drummers I adored.
What a story! I bet that’s a great memory you’ll never forget!
The mortal kombat fight with scorpion is where I heard this first. I was a kid and no means to seek it out and my parents typically thought all metal was evil. Just made me wanted it more!!!
1st band I ever saw live (Obsolete Tour)..changed my life forever!! Magnificent!!
We all know that feeling when childhood music starts and the emotions just roll over you, so relatable :)
I will also say that I thought there were 2 singers when I heard this, and that they were using a drum machine. At this time (1995), I can't remember any other vocalist doing 2 singing styles and drums that sounds that crisp, fast and precise. In thrash metal, you just had really fast double bass doing like 32nd 64th notes. When I heard this doing triplets and weird patterns, I just assumed it was a drum machine.
Raymond was an underrated beast.
Love this band. First song I heard was "H-K (Hunter Killer)" from Demanufacture. It was playing on the backround in a TV add and I just had to know what that was. My high-school band also performed "Replica" live in our first gig.
Saw them live in 2004 in Tuska Festival, Helsinki. We also just randomly found them in a bar later that night. Exhanged few words and I got autograph from Mr. Bell and Mr. Herrera. Memories man...
It's been really rough being their fan, I might add. 2-3 break-ups, line changes etc. And it's very much looking like their last album that we're getting this year.
Fun fact, my wife and I are friends with Dino and his ex Jenn, we stayed with them in their house in Burbank when we toured the US from Australia 🤘🏼🤘🏼
This is one of my favorite Fear Factory songs ever. Their new one “Disruptor” is awesome but this one is on another level.
Saw them live as they closed Wacken 2010. Badass concert!
Nice!!!
This brings back memories!
My start in Metal came with Metallica's Black Album, then Maiden. After that came all those Roadrunner bands in the 90's like Sepultura, Type O Negative, Biohazard, Life Of Agony, but nothing sounded like Fear Factory and both Demanufacture and Obsolete were amazing.
First time I saw them live was on the Obsolete tour in Amsterdam and back then we had no idea about hearing protection or anything like that and the whole concert me and my brother were standing next to a speaker... I came out having a beep in my ear for two days, but my brother couldnt hear sh*t for 3 days! :o So if I do have some form of hearing damage (no problems so far, thank the gods) I can actually pinpoint the day...
Another thing was, back in the day I had an alarmclock with a built-in CD player that you could program. So for a while I woke up every morning, almost having a heart attack, to the beginning of Replica. And you know how that song starts... :p
I discovered FF while seeing Ozzy on the Ozzmosis tour in Detroit. Up until that point, I thought Metallica and Megadeth were the heaviest bands. FF opened, and I was in AWE of their sound. The next day I went and bought Demanufacture. They were my gateway drug into "heavier" metal. I recognized Zero Signal when watching the Mortal Kombat movie and freaked out 🤣
Yes! Me too mate, this album was a revelation for me. I discovered it because they put the instrumental of the album into the video game Carmageddon. Thought the soundtrack was badass and was blown away to find out it was an actual band. You're right about Burton live, I've seen some pretty awful videos.. luckily when I saw them live he was on point
The Mortal Combat Soundtrack came out when I was a preteen and I LOVED it. Introduced me to Type O Negative, Fear Factory, KMFDM, and Napalm Death bands I still love. Helped define my musical tastes today (Industrial, Metal, EBM, etc)
Finally someone who loves Archetype as well! Love that album! All i say here is "Cyberwaste"! :)
One of my favorite songs. The infection has been removed. The soul of this machine has improved! Suck it Dino basically lol
This is the song that started my lifelong love of Fear Factory
Wow this was unexpected! Fear Factory are amazing. Self Bias Resistor is a MUST.
Speaking video games, I am a big nerd and played Dark Age of Camelot (MMORPG). I found a lot of great metal watching other's videos, and made a bunch of my own. Good times!
Demanufacture too is based on the book 1984 by George Orwell from what I recall reading years ago.
Discovered Fear Factory in the MK movie too. Was stoked to find out Dino is from my hometown of El Centro Ca. One of the most influential metal bands of all time.
Saw them live yesterday. Dude they are still kicking ass. Milo has great vocals and Dino is a legend! Pumped to see them again.
LOVE Fear Factory!!
This was also the first time I heard Fear Factory and have loved them since. This song still holds up 25 years later, too. Overall killer soundtrack.
This song live is AMAZING
Aah, this brings me back! 🤘🏻🔥🤘🏻 Awesome album, awesome band!
Fear factory has been huge for me. obsolete and digimortal are my faves. I live in Alaska, and I have a tradition every spring. I put the battery back in my corvette (it is stored all winter) crack a beer, and sit and crank fear factory's cover of 'cars'. Love these guys.
Nice!!!
My first exposure to Fear Factory was Demanufacture too, but the song Replica... first album I asked my dad to buy me was Metallica Black album and the first with my money was Sepultura The Roots of Sepultura (which is the Roots album with a B sides CD)
I saw this movie but I didn't know that song was metal and it was Fear Factory. That is awesome song.
Fan fact: I've got similar story with discover Fear Factory. Song "Bite the hand that bleeds" is placed in soundtrack to Saw movie (I discover this in credits). Great reaction.
i saw them headline the second stage at Ozzfest '99, i was tripping balls. the asphalt became a bubbling boiling mess, i went full primal in the pit through their whole set, one of my favorite memories, even though much of it was hallucinations, i then went and sat in the grass watching Slayer for the first time, one of my favorite days
Fear Factory "Zero Signal," GZR "The Invisible" and Napalm Death "Twist the Knife (Slowly)" were the first metal songs I ever heard. Thanks, Mortal Kombat!
Loved Fear Factory ever since that album came out when I was at uni. Been lucky enough to see them a few times, at festivals, headlining or in support. Saw the, open for the Black Sabbath reunion tour and then do a headline tour with Geezer Butler's band G//Z/R open for them. Most recently caught them in 2016 at a six hundred capacity venue in Brighton called Concorde 2 doing a warm up show for Bloodstock. That was awesome. Most surreal experience was finding myself stood next to Burton himself at the edge of the crowd at Sonisphere, watching Rammstein together. He was really cool. Great band.
My older brother gave me that album as a birthday gift, just in time 👌🔥 ( I turned 10 in 14/6/95). This video brought me so many good memories... going to watch the Mortal kombat movie, playing Carmageddon (which featured "Demanufacture"). Great video man!
That’s my birthday, too! Just a couple years younger than you. Haha
So happy to see Fear Factory on the channel. Yeah there's been conflicts here and there between the members and everything, but their music slaps. Only had chance to see them live once in 2015 back in my hometown in Tucson, they toured with Coal Chamber. Great memories.
Dude.... the Mortal Kombat soundtrack was my intro to Metal also! First CD I ever owned and down the heavy metal rabbit hole I went.
I got into Fear Factory because of their cover of Cars on the Obsolete album. Bought that album and fell in love. Wasn't in love with the next couple of albums, but Mechanize rekindled those feelings. Designing The Enemy is one of my favorites.
Fear Factory were the first band I got to see by myself (with a couple friends). I'd been to a handful of concerts before, but they were always with my parents, and they always chose the concert and brought me. I saw some great acts (Aerosmith and Elton John to name a couple), but for me to buy tickets to see Fear Factory and for my folks to let me go was a big deal. The show was on the Obsolete tour and I was really, really into them at the time. I was either 15 or 16 and listened to their three albums (at the time) daily. Static-X and Dope opened. I don't listen to bands like Fear Factory much (if at all) anymore, and I have no idea if the bands sounded as amazing as I remember. Regardless, the show is forever etched in my memory as being absolutely amazing. It was so awesome that my parents let me go, and brought me to the venue two hours away. It changed my life.
another cool tidbit about fear factory is theyre credited with being the first band to primarily use the clean/dirty vocals.
Much like you, the MK movie lead me to the soundtrack and this song which got me into heavy metal in the first place, and I'm still listening to the Demanufacture album to this day. The incredible drums and the revelation that Burton was doing both screaming and clean vocals when I thought it was 2 different people! Incredible album from front to back and a must listen for all metal fans.
Can we point out the real hero here? This guy's Dad is awesome!
My first Fear Factory experience was completely accidental: I went to see a multi-act concert on my birthday, back in '95, headlined by Megadeth. There was one other band on the bill that I'd heard of, Flotsam & Jetsam (which I knew mainly as being Jason Newsted's old band), plus a band that would blow up shortly afterward that went by the name of Korn. But the band that blew me away, to the point where I went out the very next day and bought their first cd I could find (Soul of a New Machine), was Fear Factory. "Scapegoat" is one of my favorite metal songs of all time, to this day.
Such a great and influential band within the industry, but one that a lot of metalheads either missed completely or just forgot about. Great to see you bringing them back to your audience!
Definitely one of my top 3 Metal bands of ALL time! I have had the honor of seeing them live so many times dating all the way back to 1994. My oldest son’s very first concert was a Fear Factory concert at the House of Blues in LA before it was torn down. Fear Factory has had such an amazing impact in my life, my husband’s life & both of my sons’ lives with nothing but awesome memories. I completely understand your emotions when listening to this song. 🙌🏼
I saw FF back in 1995 opening for Overkill in SF. My jaw dropped and was dangling around in the pit during their set! What a great show!
Sometimes I, too, get a tear after listening to Fear Factory. The first time I listened to Zero Signal on the Mortad Kombat soundtrack cassette. The music of youth for me. I'm 41. The last time a tear came after Humanity Last breath - tide.
Have seen Fear Factory live a couple times. One of the first metal songs I remember hearing was Obsolete. They have so many good albums.
Probably my favorite track of theirs is still Resurrection.
To tears you love FF and music as much as I do. Much Respect
I love every single Album from Fear Factory. Since 2003 my favourite Band of all time. Thank you Tank for the Video 🤘🏻
Pretty sure I first listened to Fear Factory in 1990. It was on a compilation (I *think* it might have been an Earache comp?). The song was “Martyr” and I had NEVER heard anything like it before. Industrial metal was something I had not yet encountered (I was more into Thrash and Prog at the time), but Martyr made me sit up straight and take notice. Bloody hell it was heavy!! Maybe it was Burton’s vocal change-ups, maybe it was Raymond’s precision percussion, maybe it was how Dino attacked the chords, maybe it was the freight-train rumble of Christian’s bass. Hell. It was ALL that, LOL. Anyway I bought “Soul of a New Machine” when it came released but loved only about ½ of it - something was missing, some element. Then “Demanufacture” came out and it was as if the band had reinvented their sound - kinda reminded me of how Metallica’s sound evolved from Kill ‘Em All to Ride the Lightning. A big change in songwriting and recording that was NEXT-LEVEL stuff, that few artists, if any, were doing at the time. My 23-year-old mind was blown and became a solid fan. I know what you mean about Burton’s voice on stage: it can be spotty. But when I saw them on the Obsolete tour in 1998 in San Francisco he and everyone else were fantastic (especially Raymond - the dude must have a V8 in his family tree).
I can remember SO MANY long drives to and from concerts while listening to this album. Ahhh… good days. Thanks for the nostalgia man.
Oh and BTW, the first album I ever bought with my own money was Def Leppard’s “Pyromania” in 1984. My older sister bought “Bark at the Moon” the same day. \m/
"My life, a disarray, and I fade away" This is one of my top 5 albums All Time since I first heard it in 1995, and the delivery of that line can still give me chills.
Oh dude. I actually never connected this dot. I love Fear Factory but I remember getting introduced to them with Obsolete. But I made my mom take me to see Mortal Kombat in theaters twice on opening weekend and then I got the soundtrack. Wasn't really paying attention to music yet so I never put this together. What a nostalgia trip!
My first intro to metal was Disposable Heroes from Metallica in '86 and I've been a metal fan ever since. That sound was just different than anything else I'd ever heard so I can relate to your story with FF. I didn't discover these guys until I heard Descent from the Obsolete album...oddly enough on the radio...back in '99. They quickly became one of my favorite bands and I still would have them in my Top 5 today.
Love Fear Factory! Met Dino when he was playing for Divine Heresy, just a great dude.
This Track just kicks ass, still does
Static X got me heavy rock, FF is what got me into metal!
Loved me some Static-X as well.
It was the same for me this is and was how I got into Fear Factory and Loved it and even got to see them live with Glen Holgen the former drummer. They was on Gigantor tour with Dream Theater and Megadeth headliner in 2005
I got a Mortal Kombat 2021 trailer ad right before your video started. Thanks to your Tank Facts, my long-ass battle with my brother on whether Raymond was using drum triggers has been resolved 😆
Hahahahahahaha. Some people try and discredit him for using them, but it’s just another tool.
Bro, this is EXACTLY how I got into metal (I was ten at the time). Fear Factory introduced me to Roadrunner Records and it’s been a straight path through metal ever since.
You get props just for having Type O Negative playing in the background.
Yes! Only a couple of people have gotten that so far.
It’s really wild to hear your story of how you got into metal and it being the EXACT same way that I did. I’m a handful of years older than you and I was in middle school when this album/movie and soundtrack released. I had started my journey into rock/alternative music the year before and my first contact with the soundtrack came in the form of the cassette tape. Side A contained all of the industrial rock, techno and trance music which my brother and I constantly played and side B contained all of the metal and a chunk of the original score. So the thing that also pulled me into Fear Factory and specifically Zero Signal is the fact that I was (still am) completely obsessed with T2 as a kid so once I herd that intro it was pretty much game on for me. 🤙🏾
I am 49 and this is my fav band of all time!
First heard Fear Factory at the now infamous Columbus, Ohio Ozzfest. (yes, where the riot broke out.)They had a little beer shack in the back of the amphitheater I was standing in line and all of a sudden the ground started to shake and my love for Fear Factory was born.
Tank! This was also the first song I heard from them. I rode my bike up to the theatre to see Mortal Kombat when it came out and this song stuck in my brain. Years later, I worked at a record store and happened upon it again. This song reminds me of everything good of my teenage years. Got to see them once live with Children of Bodom and Lamb of God and that show melted me face off. Love everything you do on here, so keep it up!
Man, that's awesome! Thank you!
This was my first time hearing Fear Factory too, but I was too young to even realise it. Didn't properly discover them until much later.
This is one record I wish I could hear again for the first time.
The whole soundtrack was beyond dope af. My first listen of fear factory and kmfdm, but not metal. Was around the same age, had justice for all for a couple years at that point.
I was a metalhead long before this,but those double bass drum patterns got me excited for thiss band.
For me obsolete was my first fear factory album (3rd overall). Edgecrusher, smasher/devourer, descent and shock were my favourites
First time I ever heard FF was at Ozzfest ‘97 in Minneapolis. Went out & bought Demanufacture the next day. Damn great band who was 20 years ahead of their time.
Man... This album brings me back! I used to listen this album non-stop when I was 16. And The "Mortal Kombaaaaaat" by KMFDM... Good times
That bridge though. That part is awesome in a car
Brings back tons of memories, man. Good times 🤘
Have such great memories seeing them live in the 90s
Dude I’m so happy you played this. I remember hearing them for the first time back in 95 when I was 14 and was blown away. I always thought back then that they were from the future with the way they sampled T2 and the keyboards and Burton’s vocals. This brings back such great memories.
Ahh yes, sweet Carmageddon memories :) Body hammer is probably still my favorite FF track.
Damn Man. A Lot of memories comes to my head right now. it is my first metal song too and i remember put my recording tape linked on vhs in that scene and Rec the fight with the sounds of the fight and listening....
After all these years, this song still makes me want to run my head through walls. It never gets old.
‘Tis somewhat famili... oh, YES! Carmageddon soundtrack!
haha yeah, I just wrote a comment about that.. that's where I found out about the album!
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Feels like I'm back in '97.
I Was familiar with the band sooner than Carmageddon, but never realized it was on Mortal kombat. Which I've seen on VHS '95.
Also my first time hearing metal! Wasn't into metal Just then, but fricking awesome as a videogame soundtrack! Also Saw a documentary that showed the drummer was using weights on his legs to improve the speed of his kicks 🤟🏻😈
Obsolete was probably first concept album I listened to, and it was a great experience. Demanufacture, Remanufacture, and Obsolete are a great mix.
Obsolete is soooooooo good.
I met my first girlfriend when I turned up to school wearing this shirt and she told me she liked it, lasted 3 weeks but I still love fear factory to this day
Thanks for the memories dude, it all just started poring in. I remember Fear Factory from the club "Zeplins" that was like my 2nd home when I was still growing up.Very COOL I wasn't the biggest fan at the time but it had a big impact on my life.
I downloaded the 25th anniversary edition of Demanufacture. What a trip down Memory Lane... I loved that album and Obsolete in high school. I lost favor towards the newer albums, likely as I outgrew my teen angst, but will never stop loving those. Great vid man!
You did it man! Finally someone does this song
🤘🤘🤘
Love that album, always takes me back to an awesome time in the 90's 😃🤘🍻
Intro for the game Carmageddon: Max Damage gets me back every time :D
I've heard a lot of all kinds of metal in my childhood, metallica, korn, slipknot and many more but I remember 1st time I've played a game "Carmageddon" back in 97 and 98 and I was so blown away, the power, energy, the "industrial" type of sound, Fear Factory was the power boost of my childhood
Dude, you and I seem to have alot of music in common. Fear Factory is a staple band for me.
I met Dino back in 2008, when he was doing the Divine Heresy project, and they opened up for Dark Tranquillity.
I was fortunate to meet all of Divine Heresy and Dark Tranquillity members because the venue they played here in Denver. "Marquie Theater" and it is basically a pizzeria/bar, and holds a capacity of about 300 people.
I'll never forget that show!!!🤘🤘
I’ve been to that venue so many times!!! Haha. That’s wild!
@@TankTheTech I love that venue. I've seen some awesome bands, such as Born of Osiris, Allegeon, Between the Buried and Me at that venue.
And, everytime was golden. A slap in the face, in the absolute best way!!! 🖤🤘🤘
The Rewind series is great, keep them coming!