NEVER DEADLIFT LIKE THIS

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  • @tejaskulkarni2971
    @tejaskulkarni2971 2 роки тому +6780

    “Sit back” is the worst cue for a conventional deadlift

    • @Northern85Star
      @Northern85Star 2 роки тому +182

      Eddie Hall disagrees, but what does he know right

    • @daniroadto900lbsdeadlift4
      @daniroadto900lbsdeadlift4 2 роки тому +434

      @@Northern85Star he always gets into proper position after he sits back so he doesn't really "sit back"

    • @Northern85Star
      @Northern85Star 2 роки тому +46

      @@daniroadto900lbsdeadlift4 ... which is the point of sitting back. So therefore we critique someones conventional form by comparing it to sumo. Smart men

    • @periodic98
      @periodic98 2 роки тому +74

      @@Northern85Star ye but he doesn’t do that.He tells you to do that but he himself doesn’t do it that way.
      There’s a name for this I can remember off the top of my head,where you show/describe a technique,but when you actually go to do it you do it a different way.

    • @dildobaggins2759
      @dildobaggins2759 2 роки тому +8

      Sit back but not too much...

  • @tupacshakur4446
    @tupacshakur4446 Рік тому +1587

    “Now let’s see Paul Allen’s deadlift”

    • @dawnoftheshredfit
      @dawnoftheshredfit Рік тому +26

      American Normal Guy

    • @devteazaver
      @devteazaver Рік тому +2

      😆😆😆🙏🏻

    • @v3nzy
      @v3nzy Рік тому +12

      fax he rly does look like bateman

    • @afhostie
      @afhostie Рік тому +5

      So glad this meme has lived on

    • @lltufoll8842
      @lltufoll8842 Рік тому +1

      I just fucking watched da movie😭❗️

  • @Rohan7k
    @Rohan7k 2 роки тому +2184

    ok, but you doing sumo DL while explaining whats wrong with his conventional DL form doesn't really help with the confusion.

    • @christianrushpostpro
      @christianrushpostpro 2 роки тому +156

      The hip placement is more or less the same across sumo and conventional. I think you already know that

    • @abrahamhall3122
      @abrahamhall3122 2 роки тому +44

      It only causes confusion if you are an idiot. The deadlift style doesn't change the fact it is a hip hinge movement.

    • @fabiangonzalez-cortes8894
      @fabiangonzalez-cortes8894 2 роки тому +28

      I’m a noob and I have no clue what any of this means. I do mine like the C4 cellucor or whatever guy said. Why is this wrong? I have no idea.

    • @christianrushpostpro
      @christianrushpostpro 2 роки тому +50

      @@fabiangonzalez-cortes8894 if your hips are so low that it looks like you are sitting then you are most likely not engaging the right muscles. You need to have a lot of tension by pushing your hips back further and really engaging your hamstrings. If you are untrained/new to lifting, this can feel very uncomfortable and almost like your hamstring is too tight. But over time, like every exercise, it becomes easier and the muscle gets stronger and more accustomed to it. Check out a deadlift guide from someone like Allan Thrall or Omarisuf

    • @thegruffalo5383
      @thegruffalo5383 2 роки тому +13

      It’s about the hips. Sumo or conventional format doesn’t matter because your hips are still moving in the same fashion

  • @Enmanuel_V6
    @Enmanuel_V6 Рік тому +115

    As soon as you hear “sit back” on a deadlift video, run away

    • @botzaca0023
      @botzaca0023 Рік тому +3

      Is better to avoid lower back pain

    • @Xilladan093
      @Xilladan093 Рік тому +2

      ​@@botzaca0023 no

    • @KM-iv9xy
      @KM-iv9xy Рік тому +5

      ​@@botzaca0023 it would actually cause lower back pain

    • @roderickclerk5904
      @roderickclerk5904 Рік тому +2

      @@KM-iv9xy nope

    • @wafflehouse6650
      @wafflehouse6650 2 місяці тому +1

      I saw the C4 shorts and immediately knew what was coming

  • @kedr0n
    @kedr0n 2 роки тому +2539

    The biomechanical points you made sounded interesting but unfortunately I just don't think 1 minute is a long enough time for you to fully explain them. Would be interesting to see a longer video on it

    • @purplejerry1
      @purplejerry1 2 роки тому +36

      chris duffin has tons of extremely in depth deadlift videos and is one of the most technically proficient and strong people on the planet check him out

    • @kedr0n
      @kedr0n 2 роки тому +7

      @@purplejerry1 Will do, thanks for the recommendation!

    • @fastlifebmx9292
      @fastlifebmx9292 2 роки тому +7

      So is eric bugenhagen. He teaches jujimufu in juji's deadlift video with him

    • @Laocoon283
      @Laocoon283 2 роки тому +7

      @@purplejerry1 it's a wedge goddamit lol

    • @LondonsFinestSon
      @LondonsFinestSon 2 роки тому +3

      Starting Strength - Edition 3. Has a whole chapter on the deadlift and form considerations with the biomechanics etc. well worth the money!

  • @HaloDude557
    @HaloDude557 2 роки тому +1968

    That's called the AthleanX deadlift. Everything falls apart when he adds a couple more plates.

    • @3Q2HFNILQHF
      @3Q2HFNILQHF 2 роки тому +171

      If he truly follows AthleanX then he will also use fake plates. Then he can keep the same form no problem.

    • @helphowdoinputusername3571
      @helphowdoinputusername3571 2 роки тому +54

      Not if those plates are fake. *taps forehead* 🧠

    • @gustavo1h3
      @gustavo1h3 2 роки тому +1

      @@3Q2HFNILQHF 😂😂😂😂😂

    • @imawarrior313
      @imawarrior313 2 роки тому +32

      Comments like these are killing your gains!!

    • @austing7254
      @austing7254 2 роки тому +37

      Athlean X does not deadlift like that.

  • @dontparknexttome2591
    @dontparknexttome2591 2 роки тому +64

    Love how everyone in the lifting community argues over everything with no context.

    • @heavyrain5949
      @heavyrain5949 Рік тому +3

      Makes it hard for novices to filter information too

  • @clap5
    @clap5 2 роки тому +692

    I don’t know who to take seriously. The bodybuilder who squats his deadlifts or the skinny powerlifter who pulls sumo.

    • @TxHits
      @TxHits 2 роки тому +102

      There’s nothing wrong with pulling sumo, btw I pull conventional because that’s what’s easier for my body

    • @austing7254
      @austing7254 2 роки тому +269

      "The skinny powerlifter" that deadlifts more than you and the goof in the video, combined probably, conventional or sumo.

    • @helphowdoinputusername3571
      @helphowdoinputusername3571 2 роки тому +182

      He also pulls 7 plates conventional lol. So maybe listen to him.

    • @n7pako367
      @n7pako367 2 роки тому +17

      Go to squat university, they have it right, neither of these do it correctly

    • @memeboat9261
      @memeboat9261 2 роки тому +105

      @@n7pako367 squat university lolol

  • @SLouiss
    @SLouiss 2 роки тому +477

    This kind of stuff messed me up in the early 2000s. Squat feet straight ahead completely upright without leaning over at all was another one I could never manage.

    • @benluben1058
      @benluben1058 2 роки тому +66

      Early on I got that squat advice from an incredibly jacked trainer in the gym (obviously I'm gonna take his advice, the guy is huge and squatting like 500 lbs right?).
      Within weeks I'd hurt my hips so badly that I couldn't squat for over a month. People have different anthropometry, there's no one way to squat, and if you're not ACTUALLY qualified to give advice on a subject maybe don't?

    • @mami3790
      @mami3790 2 роки тому +27

      squatting with my feet at an angle has been a game changer for me.

    • @George-nv1ri
      @George-nv1ri 2 роки тому +1

      Yeah that's just use the hack Squat now. Literally must have gone to a few personal trainers to get Squat form right but always hurt my lower back. Doing hacks has really helped keep pressure on the legs and not the back

    • @doctordeath2551
      @doctordeath2551 2 роки тому +1

      @@George-nv1ri I feel it/hurt my knees when squatting.
      I only “hurt”(not really hurting my back but muscles getting tight in my lower right back) my back when deadlifting

    • @George-nv1ri
      @George-nv1ri 2 роки тому +4

      @@doctordeath2551 yes I also had knee pain to begin with, you need yo strengthen legs up before squatting heavy and also get your hamstrings strong. Deadlifts imo will always put some pressure on your lower back, I've tried them many ways and never fully stops that feeling I your lower back. They are a great excersise but I can see deadlifting fucking my back up long term even with good form

  • @Maxi_Jano
    @Maxi_Jano 2 роки тому +701

    TikTok works exactly as quote retweets

    • @joys8634
      @joys8634 2 роки тому +5

      I really don't see the problem in squatting the deadlift up. More better for your back. The guy in the video doesn't state why the form is bad, but that you will lift less.

    • @Maxi_Jano
      @Maxi_Jano 2 роки тому +6

      @@joys8634 I do think that form is a bit incorrect but that's not the point
      If he thinks it's not a good form, then he should make a deadlift tutorial, put some good effort in his stuff.
      If he's worried that other people may adopt what the other guy is teaching, then he should do videos giving cues that cover those issues someone else may be lacking.
      Is all the same, people are gonna watch the video anyway.
      This trend of going around trashing other people's videos putting themselves above the rest is so petty, not surprising at all though

    • @AnthonyMazzarella
      @AnthonyMazzarella 2 роки тому +3

      @@Maxi_Jano but the OP does lots of videos showing tutorial. His entire channel is that.

    • @Maxi_Jano
      @Maxi_Jano 2 роки тому

      @@AnthonyMazzarella no he doesn't, and you know it

    • @AnthonyMazzarella
      @AnthonyMazzarella 2 роки тому +6

      @@Maxi_Jano yes he does and you know it.

  • @thui7889
    @thui7889 2 роки тому +4

    If it wasn’t Sadik, a well known Olympian competitor, I would have believed this video.

  • @user-df3kp9nn7b
    @user-df3kp9nn7b 11 місяців тому +1

    Them: "sit back"
    You: "You wanna get your hips closer to the bar because it's gonna lower the distance between the external load and the axis of rotation, therefore lowering the moment arm and improving your leverages."
    Speaks for itself.

  • @austing7254
    @austing7254 2 роки тому +53

    I love all the people trying to say that "all the strongmen use this form" when they actually don't. Easy to spot beginners when they're unable to notice at what position a lifter is in when the lifting actually commences.

    • @SippingVino
      @SippingVino 2 роки тому +4

      Yea they clearly start off their lifts in a squat to brace the weight, something I started doing to find my leverages, and then correctly pull using hinge form

    • @mortendegn-pedersen3198
      @mortendegn-pedersen3198 2 роки тому +8

      Most of the strongman use deadlift suit. The suit will stretch more when you sit back.

    • @chrism45
      @chrism45 2 роки тому +1

      Strongmen also do it cause they're superheavyweights and it's a good way to activate the lats when you can't fit between your legs.

    • @juvedoo99
      @juvedoo99 Рік тому +5

      There’s several elite lifters that do use the squat technique though. Eddie Coan used it, Eric Lillibridge used it as well, and Konstantin Konstantinovs to an extent as well. Leverages are really person dependent, so having a one size fits all approach doesn’t seem to be the best approach imo.

    • @austing7254
      @austing7254 Рік тому +2

      @@juvedoo99 Lol, they're not initiating the lift like the exaggerated position the guy in this video is suggesting, at all.

  • @arthuralves904
    @arthuralves904 2 роки тому +261

    I got a little bit angry when I was trying to help a woman to do deadlifts at the gym, and the supposed instructor AND I think owner of the gym came up ad gave this shitty advice to her, to squat the damn deadlift. I just sat back and thought to myself: "well, I'll just keep doing what I know and ignore everyone else, unfortunately... I'm still young, but I know a few things, but c'mon, a guy that got a degree on PE saying such things makes my blood boil lol

    • @MB2.0
      @MB2.0 2 роки тому +49

      Most people and trainers give damaging advice. Enjoy the car crash and realize It izzz what it izzz

    • @MB2.0
      @MB2.0 2 роки тому +6

      @@the_ogre_lord5654 especially when you're built like the average "personal trainer"

    • @henriksvensson126
      @henriksvensson126 2 роки тому +9

      You should have asked the instructor why he think it's a good idea to squat the weight so the hips shot up and creates two separate movements. I bet his ego would implode.

    • @arthuralves904
      @arthuralves904 2 роки тому +16

      I guess if they just put on college videos like Alan Thrall's tutorials on how to dealift, and the catch phrase "DO NOT MOVE THE BARBELL"... the whole fitness industry would have less people doing shitty things at the gym like that

    • @donmac5124
      @donmac5124 2 роки тому

      The first part of the video made me cringe. Also your sumo deadlift form is great. But shouldnt your knees locking out be last or at least at the same time when your tallest in the lift? I.e your back and knees locking out at the same time.

  • @ranonl8841
    @ranonl8841 Рік тому +2

    A bunch of red flags went off with the first guy, that was a hybrid squat more than a deadlift.

  • @adambombdon7798
    @adambombdon7798 2 роки тому +12

    That dude has some good flexibility making that look so smooth

    • @roderickclerk5904
      @roderickclerk5904 2 роки тому +5

      Most people in this comment section are just salty they can’t get that low so easily. He has a very athletic deadlifting style

    • @EpicwinFTW27
      @EpicwinFTW27 7 місяців тому +1

      I was impressed by that. I don't know who the hell taught him to deadlift that way, but he does it well. It's impressive how he's able to make deadlift a quad focused lift

    • @bloatmax4420
      @bloatmax4420 7 місяців тому +3

      @@roderickclerk5904 except no good deadlifter has ever pulled like that. It's inefficient. I pull mid 800s and pulling with that form I'd probably max around 600. Defeats the purpose of the lift in the first place; to train the posterior chain. Only athletes you'll ever see pull like that are olympic weightlifters, but they're training for carry over to their specific competition lifts, not to jack up their posterior chain or build a bigger and stronger deadlift.

    • @roderickclerk5904
      @roderickclerk5904 7 місяців тому +1

      @@bloatmax4420 In football and baseball we do barbell lifts to help out general athleticism not finding the best leverages to lift the most weight. Our S/C coach doesn’t allow crazy arching because the bench should be an arm exercise primarily (we still had 12 guys benching 315).
      When we squat we squat upright, ATG which put more emphasis on the feet/calves for balance (still had 10 guys squatting 500 junior year).
      When we deadlift/powerclean we get down in a lower position putting more emphasis on the legs (still had 7 guys deadlifting 600 junior year).
      Could these have been higher, maybe. Could we have had more guys lifting higher weight, maybe. I would say in general our football and baseball teams were pretty strong even though our barbell training didn’t revolve around absolute numbers. We had very little injuries during the season and almost no non contact injuries. And we had very good athletes and a lot of players that played after highschool. So our strength program did its job

    • @barryallen767
      @barryallen767 2 місяці тому

      @@roderickclerk5904
      'the bench should be an arm exercise' HAHAHAHAHAHHAH

  • @mattvena226
    @mattvena226  2 роки тому +74

    Bro you forgot the music

    • @watermelon1221
      @watermelon1221 2 роки тому +7

      sad sax music

    • @jimmy4958
      @jimmy4958 2 роки тому +5

      Sad sax music

    • @JoeyCentral
      @JoeyCentral 2 роки тому +5

      Honestly, I prefer your videos without the music. I personally do not like the tik tok style videos and I think usually the music drowns out your voice and message.

    • @thalloutboy
      @thalloutboy 2 роки тому +2

      I prefer it without the music. Feels less like TikTok, which is *always* a good thing.

    • @andythelifter
      @andythelifter Рік тому +1

      Ay also what happened to you putting the weight up on the screen too?

  • @Panda13572
    @Panda13572 2 роки тому +41

    I honestly thought he was gonna clean the weight instead of deadlift it

    • @joys8634
      @joys8634 2 роки тому

      what is wrong with the form though. you sh33p haven't said anything

    • @Red-yb8qp
      @Red-yb8qp 2 роки тому +2

      @@joys8634 take your meds sperg

    • @Jeneric81
      @Jeneric81 2 роки тому +4

      @@joys8634 It doesn’t actually work. As soon as weights get heavy he won’t be able to get the bar off the floor in that starting position.

    • @heavyrain5949
      @heavyrain5949 Рік тому

      Oly-lifters don't pull from that position.

  • @rubl3troubl381
    @rubl3troubl381 2 роки тому +11

    I was once deadlifting like that "squat technique", i always had pain in my lower back.

    • @Rascon5
      @Rascon5 Рік тому

      I use to squat deadlift aswell. I stopped when I plateaued at 315. I believe the best deadlift form is by "barbell medicine" After I changed my form I hit 365.

    • @ImTheWinningest
      @ImTheWinningest 11 місяців тому +1

      I have the opposite experience. I do a pretty squatty deadlift because I get lower back pain when doing it with a bigger hip hinge.

  • @void8960
    @void8960 Рік тому +4

    Literally the second I saw him I thought “this guys about to give some terrible advice”. I have no idea how I knew, not a clue, but I could just tell 💀

  • @basicmeme1040
    @basicmeme1040 2 роки тому +96

    I did this form he gave, I fell backwards
    I deadlifted using the form hafthor uses and pulled 405 for a few reps afterwards

    • @mirkomarjanovic3234
      @mirkomarjanovic3234 2 роки тому +46

      @Matt Thor doesn't sit back and stay there. It's just a setup for him. He sits back, raises his hips up and then drives up with the bar. Eddie hall does the same. HUGE difference between their's and sadik's pull.

    • @lmc5955
      @lmc5955 2 роки тому +15

      They do that because they’re so tall that’s why, you can’t expect to pull the same as a guy who’s 6’9”

    • @sng3939
      @sng3939 2 роки тому +1

      Thor also squats his deadlifts pretty much

    • @basicmeme1040
      @basicmeme1040 2 роки тому

      @@lmc5955 I mean haack also pulls that way
      I'd say it's more the way an even arm leg upper body ratio person pulls

    • @Jeneric81
      @Jeneric81 2 роки тому +13

      @@sng3939 No, he doesn't. Watch his back angle when the bar actually starts moving upwards.

  • @aaronkenney_17
    @aaronkenney_17 2 роки тому +69

    I remember seeing a video of Stan Efferding deadlifting. One mental cue he suggested was to think of the lift a little like a standing leg press as well as a pull. When I deadlift and imagine trying to push my feet through the floor I feel a lot stronger. (Btw I agree with Matt, this guy's advice isn't good).

    • @noahsibahi-jackson8757
      @noahsibahi-jackson8757 2 роки тому +4

      I would also recommend imaging you are pushing through the heels and driving your feet back given you are mostly using the posterior chain provided those mechanics

    • @matthewthehawk1066
      @matthewthehawk1066 2 роки тому

      @@noahsibahi-jackson8757 agreed

  • @strongman9899
    @strongman9899 Рік тому +16

    Bro been deadlifting since 84 you are 100% correct! Been a powerlifter for about 35yrs I know a bit about it! Back when being a gym rat was un cool.

    • @Burog1
      @Burog1 4 місяці тому +1

      It’s cause back in the day people figured being in the gym everyday was a waste of time and wanted you to contribute in like blue collar work instead. Nowadays you can make a living being a gym rat online so the whole gym culture has changed drastically.

  • @TruthTriumphs786
    @TruthTriumphs786 2 роки тому +2

    Starting Strength has the best advice on deadlifts

  • @koreaface
    @koreaface 2 роки тому +14

    He basically described a more seated back clean pull

  • @dadbod488
    @dadbod488 Рік тому +30

    Mark Rippetoe grows a darker shade of pink each time this video is viewed.

  • @Glutespecialist
    @Glutespecialist Рік тому +74

    “You wanna have strong hands” lmao

    • @Ritiwayra
      @Ritiwayra Рік тому +3

      He's right. Without strong hands you'll only be able to do mixed-grip which I find is unatural and lazy IMO.

    • @Ritiwayra
      @Ritiwayra Рік тому +3

      @@regulus7754 I agree about the straps but lifting with a mixed grip is too easy and feels weird when going up for me. Over hand is the best way IMO just pure raw power.

    • @anon8633
      @anon8633 10 місяців тому +3

      And yeah strong hands is massively important in a deadlift

  • @livingweaponnightmare
    @livingweaponnightmare 2 роки тому +1

    A longer video on this would be so useful

  • @1mario999
    @1mario999 Рік тому +7

    That's a clean pull

  • @ss009
    @ss009 Рік тому +4

    thats how my dad tells me to deadlift but he is obese and worked out for like 3 months of his life and deadlifted for 1 month

  • @Cobalt_11
    @Cobalt_11 Рік тому +1

    Man fuck mechanical engineering you said the biomechanics part and that shit made sense 🤣

  • @SpidermansSymbiote
    @SpidermansSymbiote 2 роки тому +2

    When I deadlift I have a really high hip position but it feels really strong for me. Start position really comes down to your own personal leverages. Love your content!

    • @craftcix
      @craftcix 2 роки тому

      yep, my hips starting high too :)

  • @JoaoGomes-fc9wc
    @JoaoGomes-fc9wc 2 роки тому +54

    Deadlifting with lower hips isn't necessarily bad advice. Most olympic weightlifters lift this way. I'm guessing deadlifting with higher hips is more of a powerlifting thing.
    Also the ability to deadlift with lower/higher hips depends a lot on body type: the size of your arms, legs, torso.

    • @jaghall47
      @jaghall47 2 роки тому +30

      Yeah but oly lifters don't train the deadlift as a competition movement. They use it to increase their clean strength so of course they're going to sit their hips in a position that mimics their clean

    • @heath6809
      @heath6809 2 роки тому +35

      Weightlifters pull this way because they're training for the clean. It's a different exercise. Not efficient to deadlift that way.

    • @TopDoggyRobby
      @TopDoggyRobby 2 роки тому

      They deadlift that way to keep tension on the legs to mimic a vastly more complex lift. Theres so much more to a clean than a deadlift and most of it isn’t helping them deadlift more weight, its helping them clean more weight. Name me one deadlifter that scoops, bends their arms and shrugs near lock out because its their strongest position

    • @OMAR-vk9pi
      @OMAR-vk9pi 2 роки тому +2

      It’s not a deadlift

    • @yeetmeister0704
      @yeetmeister0704 2 роки тому

      @@OMAR-vk9pi ??????

  • @kinncrimson01
    @kinncrimson01 2 роки тому +16

    Love how all the UA-cam coaches in the comments try to protect this shit as technique for some reason

    • @juvedoo99
      @juvedoo99 Рік тому

      Thing is, a lot of elite lifters use the sitting back cue. It’s not just UA-cam coaches. Not only do they recommend it, they actually use the technique as well.

    • @aditwani6562
      @aditwani6562 Рік тому +1

      @@juvedoo99 even for them the bar doesn't break the floor until their hips rise

  • @Tristalukaszewski3765
    @Tristalukaszewski3765 8 місяців тому +1

    C4 on the shirts says it all😂😂

  • @olindblo
    @olindblo 2 роки тому +5

    I also learned the hard way that it's not the best way to deadlift. I had deadlifted with heavy hip hinge for years... and when I had to start "squatting my deadlift" in order to make my deadlift numbers transfer to cleans and snatches, I noticed that it feels so weak. I think he might have got the idea through some kind of chinese whisper that it would be a good idea for everyone, regardless of their goals, sport or background.

  • @basicmeme1040
    @basicmeme1040 2 роки тому +45

    He's mixing a weird "if you even use your lower back properly you die deadlift=leg press" broscience combined with olympic lifter deadlifting

    • @1234Daan4321
      @1234Daan4321 2 роки тому +3

      In olympic lifting you have to be slightly forward over the bar though, not back

    • @Ultradude604
      @Ultradude604 2 роки тому +4

      There's nothing olympic lifting about this

    • @Tom-vu1wr
      @Tom-vu1wr 2 роки тому +2

      @@Ultradude604 there is. Hips starting parallel

    • @giulio359
      @giulio359 2 роки тому

      @@1234Daan4321 no on or behind the bar who thaught you that

    • @miderwr9363
      @miderwr9363 2 роки тому +1

      @creatine addict True, it's concerning how many people jump on steroids before they even learn how to lift and they do pretty much everything in the gym wrong thinking they do everything right. I see all the time people who are as big as myself or slightly bigger and doing all kinds of crazy shit and I've been lifting natty for 11 years.

  • @thegentlemansclubshow2277
    @thegentlemansclubshow2277 2 роки тому +5

    Soon as I saw first guy doing his “correct” deadlifts, I laughed inside thinking of how his back is going to go out in 10 years

    • @petersoar2886
      @petersoar2886 Рік тому

      Nah, he just won't ever get good at deadlifting.

    • @thegentlemansclubshow2277
      @thegentlemansclubshow2277 Рік тому

      @@petersoar2886 and by doing one of the worst exercises on your back wrong for a decade you’re more than likely going to have disc problems. But either way leave it to a 22 year old influencer to teach us all how to lift

    • @petersoar2886
      @petersoar2886 Рік тому

      @@thegentlemansclubshow2277 why though? His core is braced and he's doing it controlled. He likely won't ever get strong enough at the deadlift to get hurt. Something tells he doesn't even deadlift anyway and just made up the technique on the spot.
      He's wrong, but he probably won't get hurt, lol. You and I are much more likely to get hurt doing it right and actually getting strong over a decade.

    • @thegentlemansclubshow2277
      @thegentlemansclubshow2277 Рік тому

      @@petersoar2886 my thoughts are that with him sitting out like that when he pulls up on the weight it’s applying too much pressure to the lower vertebrae that over many years would cause some bulging. Of course deadlifts cause issues done right anyway like you said. I’m no scientist though, I just pick up heavy shit and put it back down

  • @TIZ012
    @TIZ012 2 роки тому +1

    If I’m ever in a deadlift competition, I will follow what the 2nd dude is saying. If I want to engage more muscles for longer, I’ll do what the 1st guy says, I’ll do more than 1 deadlift, I won’t use a belt and I won’t use mix grip and I will not get even remotely close to my deadlift max lift. Mix grip is for when ur seriously gonna pop a fucking haemorrhoid and prove a point.
    Edit: to be fair 1st guy is basically squatting, that’s a bit too much sitting :D

  • @hardassteel
    @hardassteel Рік тому +2

    The sit back method is how Olympic lifters perform their lifts for clean and jerk and snatch.

    • @heavyrain5949
      @heavyrain5949 Рік тому

      No they don't

    • @hardassteel
      @hardassteel Рік тому

      @@heavyrain5949 Yes they do

    • @heavyrain5949
      @heavyrain5949 Рік тому

      @@hardassteel
      They set back to get into the pulling position, (hips up). Oly lifters don't pull while "sitting back", you got this one wrong bud.

  • @JakeLewisReal
    @JakeLewisReal 2 роки тому +3

    I love watching 15 second ads for a 59 second video lol

  • @thomasbrodrecht6137
    @thomasbrodrecht6137 2 роки тому +2

    This dude: ah yes, this is the ideal form hehe
    Real deadlift: okay, put on some weight

  • @Saffrone221
    @Saffrone221 10 місяців тому +1

    I like the sumo version it target the lats well. The standard deadlift target the traps, lats, and quads.

  • @SolomonsProxy
    @SolomonsProxy 2 роки тому +19

    My man turned a lower back exercise into a reverse squat

    • @3Q2HFNILQHF
      @3Q2HFNILQHF 2 роки тому

      Lower back? My g the squat ain't a lower back exercise. It works legs and hips. Lower back is a stabilizer.

    • @helphowdoinputusername3571
      @helphowdoinputusername3571 2 роки тому +3

      @@3Q2HFNILQHF He meant the deadlift.

    • @3Q2HFNILQHF
      @3Q2HFNILQHF 2 роки тому +1

      @@helphowdoinputusername3571 I meant deadlift also lol

    • @SolomonsProxy
      @SolomonsProxy 2 роки тому +5

      @@3Q2HFNILQHF your back is contracted when you deadlift, making it stronger over time no? It works your lower back.

    • @3Q2HFNILQHF
      @3Q2HFNILQHF 2 роки тому

      @@SolomonsProxy yes and that's quite different from it being a lower back exercise lol. Your lower back is contracted to do bicep curls (standing upright) but it's not a lower back exercise bud.

  • @leightonchesser2149
    @leightonchesser2149 2 роки тому +7

    I'm 6'5 with a lot of torso. Man I feel like I almost have to get my hips in that similar position so that I can get my shoulders a decent amount more upright than my ass and low back. Otherwise I'd be fucking starting off looking like I'm about to do a row

    • @ates423
      @ates423 2 роки тому +2

      I have the same problem. I’m 6’5 with a big torso and not too long limbs. If you start with the hips lower you’ll be using leg drive more which makes it harder to get off the floor
      If you start with your hips higher you’ll have to either push your knees more forward or round the shoulders a little bit/lean forward more in order to reach the bar. You’ll be able to get it off the ground easier but lockout is harder. To top it off, I find both forms puts you at risk. The first one chance of sciatica flaring up and the second one chance of your lats getting sprained. That’s just me tho

    • @troybeck5226
      @troybeck5226 2 роки тому +6

      That's the big issue with a lot of these guys on UA-cam, and using other people's content to create content. Neither of them are wrong, but neither explanation is a one size fits all. Everyone's anatomy is different and everyone will have to pull/ press at different angles. Most of what these guys post are opinion based and they try to treat its as fact for others to follow. Always try something different until you find what's most comfortable for you

    • @chrism45
      @chrism45 2 роки тому

      There have been weirder proportioned lifters excel at deadlift, you can find a good enough position. Just film your self and try posting it on a subreddit if you're struggling.

    • @frankytanky5076
      @frankytanky5076 2 роки тому

      Well the issue with with videos like this is that no two people deadlift the same. If you have soem crazy proportions you might need to sit down more. I find I get a lot more hamstring activation from sitting back a bit then starting the deadlift. Yes, I’m not as low as the first guy but I’m also not super high in my position either.
      Being too high with your hips also just turns it into a stiff leg deadlift with almost no leg involvement so that can be an equally damaging que.

    • @troybeck5226
      @troybeck5226 2 роки тому

      @@frankytanky5076 what I've found that seems to be beneficial for a lot of people is moving your hips with the bar. So basically if the bar is going up your hips should be going up as well. And the best way to find the position is on the eccentric and just moving your hips down until it hits the floor finally.

  • @SLK0000
    @SLK0000 11 місяців тому

    Matt is the Og of lifting for all of us to get the education we need!!

  • @bigguy7353
    @bigguy7353 Рік тому +2

    The first guy did a correct deadlift. The second did a dynamic effort exercise that isn't a real deadlift.

  • @Zach-fr2pl
    @Zach-fr2pl 2 роки тому +29

    Matt, do you really think i was going to listen to a guy wearing c4 shorts? I don’t think so

  • @gabrielestevam1172
    @gabrielestevam1172 2 роки тому +5

    if there is a guy doing conventional and a guy doing sumo, I will always trust on what the conventional one has to say

    • @deswegg
      @deswegg 2 роки тому

      💯

    • @austing7254
      @austing7254 2 роки тому

      That's terrible logic. And trust me I hate sumo deadlifts but I can guarantee you Matt is stronger in any kind of deadlift position than the guy in the clip.

    • @juvedoo99
      @juvedoo99 Рік тому

      @@austing7254 both train for completely different disciplines so of course Matt would be stronger . They’re probably around the same weigh class as well. So I’d hope a power lifter can out lift a bodybuilder of similar overall weight. But, I’d like to see Matt vs a power lifter who disagrees with his pov. That would make more sense.

  • @benjaminzaoui9683
    @benjaminzaoui9683 2 роки тому +1

    Excellent breakdown using physics to explain the need to bring the hips closer to the bar in an effort to minimize the moment arm.👌

  • @Void-wm5hh
    @Void-wm5hh Рік тому +4

    I do this with a hex bar for my legs actually. I like to think of it as 70% legs 30% back so mostly legs

    • @SilverSlugs16
      @SilverSlugs16 11 місяців тому

      That’s common knowledge and you can only do it on the hex bar because of where the weight is distributed. Hex gives you more freedom of starting position, you’re standing in the middle of it so you can sit low and just stand straight up. Can be 70-30 legs back, 50-50 whatever you want. Conventional has the bar in front and so there’s a much smaller acceptable range

  • @a.julian3770
    @a.julian3770 2 роки тому +32

    It depends on your goals I think. You see a lot of weightlifters dropping their hips way low for deadlifts as that is the form they typically use when doing the snatch and clean and jerk.

    • @mattvena226
      @mattvena226  2 роки тому +46

      Ya, but that’s a niche case of deadlifting, not really good general advice

    • @vicenteochoa6498
      @vicenteochoa6498 2 роки тому +14

      @@mattvena226 and to add to this that’s not “deadlifting”. Just because the weight is on the ground doesn’t mean it’s a deadlift. The clean and jerk or snatch is a different lift than a deadlift.

    • @a.julian3770
      @a.julian3770 2 роки тому +12

      @@vicenteochoa6498 I think you misunderstand, I'm not claiming cleans or snatches are deadlifting. I am pointing out that how weightlifters deadlift is typically done with low hips to train for cleans and snatches.

    • @guacamolegabi8302
      @guacamolegabi8302 2 роки тому +1

      @@a.julian3770 It’s important to keep in mind that weightlifters also train the clean and snatch pulls w/ a extended spine which requires submaximal weights. This is not good pulling form for cleans or snatches either.

    • @AnthonyMazzarella
      @AnthonyMazzarella 2 роки тому +3

      @@a.julian3770 I think I'm more appropriate term for that would be called a clean pull.
      I also noticed that his position was great for the first pull of a clean but I highly doubt that to he's teaching

  • @bradcosmetics1196
    @bradcosmetics1196 2 роки тому +8

    Seems like he's doing more of a clean pull, which like you said engages the quads and allows for lower absolute weight.

    • @dennisnordlund902
      @dennisnordlund902 2 роки тому +8

      That would be a horredous clean pull, the dude trying to deadlift is just plain wrong

    • @bakotako
      @bakotako Рік тому +1

      @@dennisnordlund902 Lol it is the perfect first pull in the clean. okay lol

    • @o-neil
      @o-neil Рік тому

      ​@@bakotako no, a clean pull you want to have your shoulders over the bar, keeping your back angle the same until you're past the knee. The knees want to almost straighten when the bar is at the knee. From that point you want to then begin to aggressively make your back angle vertical, while rebending your legs slightly (which is unconcious and happens on it's own with good technique), then forcefully extend the legs and hip the moment you contact the bar and shrug.
      This guy just squatted a deadlift

    • @bakotako
      @bakotako Рік тому

      @@o-neil i know what you are saying but ive seen it both ways from oly lifters.

    • @o-neil
      @o-neil Рік тому

      @@bakotako you got an example? I'd be curious to see. In some countries they do have different training methodologies

  • @AndrewVanLare
    @AndrewVanLare 2 роки тому +2

    People love saying this but it really depends on what you want to work out. Your legs or your back. Many oly lifters squat their deadlifts because it helps them move faster into the snatch position. So the guy isn't technically wrong hes just doing the deadlift in a non-orthodox way.
    If you're trying to combat misinformation at least make sure you're right before telling someone theyre wrong.

    • @larryboi2706
      @larryboi2706 2 роки тому +1

      olympic weightlifters do clean deadlifts, this guy does "lean back conventional deadlifts". Also no weightlifters does clean deadlifts for the purpose of moving faster in the "snatch posistion"

    • @AndrewVanLare
      @AndrewVanLare 2 роки тому

      @@larryboi2706 So you haven't seen an oly weightlifter do a clean or a snatch before. Because if you did you'd see they do them exactly like this. Eddie Hall leans back into his deadlift as well and he has lifted more than 1000 pounds. Your legs will always be stronger than your back so if you want to pull the most weight in a conventional position it would only make sense to squat your deadlift.
      To many people want to make deadlifts a back only movement when its a back and legs movement. If you want to isolate the lower back just do Romanian deadlifts. Otherwise you're going to have to squat your deadlifts to lift the most weight.

    • @larryboi2706
      @larryboi2706 2 роки тому +1

      @@AndrewVanLare just google and see. Some people lean back to create momentum but that is a whole different story. Tell me the name of one weightlifter who does it like this.

  • @Kus519
    @Kus519 2 роки тому +1

    The guy deads like someone’s first time deadlifting

  • @vSpade
    @vSpade 2 роки тому +13

    I deadlift with the tighter form like guy you clipped had shown. I feel it less on my back. I guess there are other factors such as body type. I’m more stocky, so I don’t really get the benefit of a wider stance and a higher hip without getting the back involved.

    • @troybeck5226
      @troybeck5226 2 роки тому +3

      He's really only explaining what way to pull is better for him and treating it as a one size fits all. His explanation isn't bad or even necessarily wrong, but it's not the best way for everybody

    • @faintedmemo
      @faintedmemo 2 роки тому +21

      You feel it less in your back because you're not using your back. The guy in the first clip is "squatting the deadlift". Deadlifting is a hip hinge excercise and you're supposed to feel it in your back. You'll never be able to move as much weight by squatting the deadlift.

    • @cimi93x
      @cimi93x 2 роки тому +1

      @@faintedmemo not everyone lifts to move a lot of weight. The guy from the clip is a bodybuilder not a powerlifter.

    • @Red-yb8qp
      @Red-yb8qp 2 роки тому

      @@cimi93x clown

    • @abyss1997
      @abyss1997 2 роки тому +3

      @@cimi93x you dont deadlift when bodybuilding thats not a good excuse. at most romanian deadlift is used by body builders but not deadlifts because there are better alternatives for hypertrophy that aren't as fatiguing.

  • @MrStrongBro
    @MrStrongBro 2 роки тому +4

    Exactly what I was saying when I first saw his clip! I remember Eddie Hall saying how trash it was to “sit in the chair”. I think I’ll listen to the 4 year record holding 500 kg deadlifter. 😂

    • @harrysmith8090
      @harrysmith8090 Рік тому

      He literally did the 500 kilo with that form tho🤔

    • @harrysmith8090
      @harrysmith8090 Рік тому

      Telling people wrong advice so they don’t break his record maybe

    • @christianlopez2793
      @christianlopez2793 Рік тому

      @@harrysmith8090 no he did not use that form since his hips rise up into proper position Before the bar even leaves the ground

    • @harrysmith8090
      @harrysmith8090 Рік тому

      @@christianlopez2793 didn’t say that I said he sat

  • @jacobvalencia7657
    @jacobvalencia7657 2 роки тому +1

    Different techniques for different reasons not just bad advice.

  • @anthonyclark9159
    @anthonyclark9159 2 роки тому +6

    I'd like to see him pull a serious weight with that technique, great leg finisher with 5 second eccentric on a leg day, but you're not moving serious weight. Also takes away from the whole point of a deadlift being a posterior chain movement, and the lower weight removes a lot of the systemic load you should receive from the proper movement.

    • @prstation1363
      @prstation1363 2 роки тому

      Dont forget Sadic is a bodybuilder. Hes not looking for heavy hes looking for GOLD. If this style gives him results it works for him. The guy picking apart his lift is a powerlifter.

    • @hithro5466
      @hithro5466 Рік тому

      @@prstation1363 yeah but he is turning a pretty good hamstring, glute, and spinal erector movement into a shitty quad movement. If you wanna get some good quad work in go squat, lunge, or do leg extensions.

  • @PovertyBench
    @PovertyBench 2 роки тому +6

    The first guy accidentally taught everyone how to clean deadlift. Nice

    • @darealznoopdogg9300
      @darealznoopdogg9300 2 роки тому +1

      Right? I was thinking to myself “this is a good setup for a clean”

  • @CraigCastanet
    @CraigCastanet 2 роки тому +2

    Peyton is exactly right. We need more time for you to do a tutorial on your lifting techniques and rationale.

  • @luisornelas6490
    @luisornelas6490 2 роки тому +1

    That’s perfect advice for a “clean” grip

  • @youngKOkid1
    @youngKOkid1 2 роки тому +24

    I’m a weightlifter so when I teach a deadlift (clean pull), I cue butt down as the man suggested. Regardless of where your butt starts, you will only be able to break the bar from the floor once your shoulders are at least in line with the bar. Therefore starting with your butt low means you will always put as little pressure on your back as possible. I realize for maximum weight powerlifting this is not ideal, but I disagree this is bad form for most people just trying to get strong with the least risk of injury.

    • @canererbay8842
      @canererbay8842 2 роки тому +6

      1) Starting with your butt (too) low means you will inevitably exert unnecessary energy getting yourself to the actually demanded hip height to break a sufficiently heavy bar off the floor and risk throwing yourself off position/balance in the process.
      2) This has nothing to do with injury risk and you sure as shit won't reduce that risk by making your movements unnecessarily inefficient.
      3) "As little pressure on your back as possible" is a strange goal while doing an exercise that clearly targets the back (and for good reason). Is sitting on a sofa a safer way to deadlift, too? It sure puts much less "pressure" on your back.

    • @youngKOkid1
      @youngKOkid1 2 роки тому +9

      @@canererbay8842 As I explained in my original comment, doing a "clean deadlift" will not allow you to deadlift the maximum weight possible if that is your goal as a powerlifter. However, it does minimize the stress on your lumbar spine by virtue of lowering the moment on your back, which lowers the risk of injury.
      For most people, who are not competitive powerlifters, I think it makes sense to do "clean deadlifts" because conventional deadlifts are needlessly risky.

    • @Gilgamesh827
      @Gilgamesh827 2 роки тому +6

      Exactly, he's teaching clean pull. It's a perfectly fine way of deadlifting. Just not for powerlifters.

    • @canererbay8842
      @canererbay8842 2 роки тому +3

      @@youngKOkid1 You didn't explain anything. You just made uneducated assumptions and claims.
      1) You don't need to be a competitive powerlifter to want to do an exercise efficiently and "maximum weight possible" is not an unworthy extreme. There are smart ways to reduce the absolute load on the bar for *load management* purposes and they include pauses, tempos, lack of belt/sleeves/wraps/whatnot etc. "Squatting your deadlift" is not one of them.
      2) It does not shorten the moment arm on the spine. If anything, it lengthens it because you're sitting back and putting the load further away from you in the front. Anyway, a sufficiently heavy bar will make sure the hips are at a proper height and shoulders are over or just in front of the bar (if you don't want to scrape the shit out of your shins along the way) at the moment of lift-off whether you want it or not. This is apparent in weightlifters, too. Look closely and you'll see hips rising before the bar leaves the floor if they set up by sitting back. That set-up may be a good way for a given lifter for other reasons (cues, ritual etc).
      3) You have no idea what you're talking about on injury risk. Deadlift is a perfectly safe exercise and powerlifting is a much safer sport than most other popular sports. It has nothing to do with the absolute length of the moment arm on the spine or the "pressure on the back".

    • @canererbay8842
      @canererbay8842 2 роки тому +2

      @@Gilgamesh827 I highly doubt he even knows what a clean pull is. He's just teaching an inefficient deadlift and no, it's not a perfectly fine way of deadlifting, for powerlifters or anyone else (unless there's some unusual specific reason for a given person). Clean pull is a different exercise that requires the bar to be further in front than in a deadlift and it requires a different movement pattern for the knees among other things.

  • @sreyker180
    @sreyker180 2 роки тому +12

    When I saw his position I was like “wtf Sadik” 😂, Olympia competitor doing this…

  • @swifttech3602
    @swifttech3602 9 місяців тому +1

    What's wrong with targeting your quads more in deadlift?
    Could this be beneficial for hypertrophy purposes?

  • @dokim4zoc1f3r4
    @dokim4zoc1f3r4 2 роки тому +1

    🤣😂🤣 I can't u didn't have to explain and I was laughing

  • @cdl34453
    @cdl34453 2 роки тому +5

    Bro as a former athlete I agree more on the squatting deadlift/ trap bar deadlift more than vena’s advice simply because how much back soreness it accrues
    I litterally couldn’t stand that along with practicing every day

  • @zzll-wk9zj
    @zzll-wk9zj 2 роки тому +29

    I mean, the first kind of deadlift is formally called clean pull, which is specific to Olympic weightlifting. Both forms are right. It depends on your goals.

    • @MrLeBaws
      @MrLeBaws 2 роки тому +16

      A deadlift and a clean pull are completely different movements, what he does isn't close to a clean pull. He's performing a deadlift, just with weird form.

    • @Shannon_Robbie
      @Shannon_Robbie 2 роки тому +2

      A clean pull in weightlifting would have him lifting the bar past his waist line. Like in this video: ua-cam.com/video/1WuSiyM-knI/v-deo.html

    • @branflakee4257
      @branflakee4257 2 роки тому +1

      The fact that you got 24 like proves why gym bro logic will never die

    • @benedictyeong746
      @benedictyeong746 2 роки тому +1

      Nah bro, the Olympic weightlifters sit back down, but as the weight starts to move, their hips will also shoot upwards, unlike this guy who chooses to keep his hips low the entirety of the rep

    • @yza4896
      @yza4896 2 роки тому

      Clean pull is deadlift plus pull deadlift is just deadlift or clean deadlift snatch deadlift

  • @90hjorth
    @90hjorth Рік тому

    Caught Matt saying “taking it for granite” 🤣😂 oh how you love your rocks!

  • @VicenteMMOSilva
    @VicenteMMOSilva Рік тому +1

    How would your form change based on what is your lifting goal? I take it for granted Matt’s advice would be directed towards building strength and power (1-5 rep range), but is it the same with muscle building (8-20 rep range)?

  • @jelloshaha
    @jelloshaha 2 роки тому +7

    i dont think theres anything wrong with this. different movement than powerlifting style deadlift. goal isnt always to move the most weight, could be a variation someone is working on leg drive, or trying to pull with less posterior chain.

    • @coffeevibes1611
      @coffeevibes1611 2 роки тому +1

      You generally don't wanna deadlift this way unless ur a weightlifter improving ur cleans and snatches. General population powerlifter or not it should be a hip hinge movement not a squat movement.

    • @kiraPh1234k
      @kiraPh1234k Рік тому

      The "wrong" part is the fact it puts far more pressure on your lower back while also removing your own leverage. Hips too low = harder to lift and more risk of injury

    • @roderickclerk5904
      @roderickclerk5904 Рік тому +3

      @@kiraPh1234k maybe you should stop ego lifting and you won’t mess up your back. I deadlift the same as the influencer guy. Low hips, lot of ankle flexion and calf activation, upright back, and ive never hurt myself even when doing 525 lb and I barely train deadlift (it’s not that great for athletics solely on its own anyway)

    • @scrumptious9673
      @scrumptious9673 Рік тому +1

      @@roderickclerk5904 you’re one of the few smart guys in this comments section

  • @IAMKNOWINGREADINGS
    @IAMKNOWINGREADINGS Рік тому +3

    I’m sorry but I can’t take advice from a summo dead lifter. Like anyone was doing that pre 2020, gotten laughed @ in 2009.

  • @funkydoggie6487
    @funkydoggie6487 8 місяців тому

    This is the proper way of a clean deadlift he only needs to shrug at the end

  • @karansoam
    @karansoam Рік тому

    Exactlyyyyy.
    Wtf I lost my mind when he said, sit down 😂😂

  • @DarkFairlight
    @DarkFairlight 2 роки тому +8

    I see what you're saying, I have to say tho sitting back like a squat can help you to get even tighter and get more leg drive. Martins Licis just sit back like that, and he got an over 900lbs deadlift.
    edit: it was at the rogue invitational a few days ago, you can find it on the rogue UA-cam channel.

    • @homelander98
      @homelander98 2 роки тому +3

      Yeah even the guy that made this video made a generalization. Also Olympic lifting are almost kissing the floor with their butts before the lift begins. Obviously if you’re hitching or it feels uncomfortable then it’s not the form for you

    • @noah92930
      @noah92930 2 роки тому +5

      don’t copy strongmen. they are incredibly heavy and usually can’t deadlift with ‘proper’ form because their leverages get compromised by such heavy bodyweight

    • @DarkFairlight
      @DarkFairlight 2 роки тому

      @@noah92930 pls look up adam bishop and oleksii novikov, both of them have nearly perfect deadlifts.

    • @vredneckv
      @vredneckv 2 роки тому

      @@homelander98 Well that's not true. Starting too low in both snatch and c&j will cause the butt to shoot up first, which is an error. There are lifters (even elite ones) lifting like that, but in general that's not considered good form in weightlifting. Depending on leverages, the ideal starting position (if we suppose all else is set up properly) would be at or slightly above parallel.

    • @teamrogers1047
      @teamrogers1047 2 роки тому

      Martins doesn’t actually begin lifting from that position, he’ll rock the bar into himself as part of his set up but if you watch closely when he begins lifting the bar he’s in a more forward position.

  • @MikeGuadango
    @MikeGuadango 2 роки тому +9

    Lots wasted effort in his version. When I was starting out most lifters were geared and that really screwed up my squat and bench mechanics.

    • @joys8634
      @joys8634 2 роки тому

      more gains in his version. your muscles will hypertrophy with more time under tension.

    • @MikeGuadango
      @MikeGuadango 2 роки тому

      @@joys8634 I think there’s better movements if you’re looking for hypertrophy. Deadlifts are taxing and cause a lot of centralized fatigue

  • @NefDarknight
    @NefDarknight Рік тому

    He says "drive with the legs" ... proceeds to use the back lol

  • @AvCluB415
    @AvCluB415 2 роки тому

    Nice explanation in such a short timeframe

  • @steveburke_busdriver4641
    @steveburke_busdriver4641 2 роки тому +65

    I mean Eddie Hall says to "drop the hips" too & I think taking advice from one of the top guys is never a bad idea. Honestly though, in my opinion I think both ways are correct, it depends on your goals. Are you looking to pull as much weight as you possibly can? Or are you focusing on the actual hip hinge movement from more of a hypertrophy point of view?

    • @johnnyp.601
      @johnnyp.601 2 роки тому +10

      Eddie Hall has a very rare body structure tho than 99,99% of people, very tall, very wide hips and very heavy. Makes sense for him do use that cue but for a normal guy? I m not Sure about that...

    • @smkibler
      @smkibler 2 роки тому +10

      Sitting on the deadlift is for giant 400lb strongest men in the world, not for average plebs.

    • @erickisiordia9338
      @erickisiordia9338 2 роки тому +2

      @@johnnyp.601 But that's why there's ape index to worry about and to take into account, personally I have long arms, so I can basically "sit back", just depends on anatomy and your body

    • @carlsworldofwisewords8907
      @carlsworldofwisewords8907 2 роки тому

      @@johnnyp.601 Eddie Hall isn’t tall in relation to his overall size - just shy of 6ft3

    • @Jeneric81
      @Jeneric81 2 роки тому +10

      If you look at Eddie's lift and freeze frame when the bar actually starts moving you will notice his hips are way higher.

  • @josephlessa8717
    @josephlessa8717 2 роки тому +45

    He’s trying to teach a beginner with simple advice. A beginner would not understand anything you are saying. It’s why coaching is hard. He also is focused on hypertrophy not trying to spread out and move the weight 3 inches with a mixed grip. It depends what your trying to get out of your deadlift. His form isn’t great because the weight is light so he sits a bit much. He definitely knows what he is doing. There are way worse deadlifts from people with way less success you could break down.

    • @AssassinEzioBlade
      @AssassinEzioBlade 2 роки тому +7

      But this dude isn't even teaching you how to deadlift

    • @morganacres9360
      @morganacres9360 2 роки тому +9

      Even with feet shoulder width apart it's still a 'hip hinge' movement not a squat movement. If hypertrophy is the goal then it's still hugely beneficial to the back and hams. Do a squat to hit quads!!

    • @michaellaidler7143
      @michaellaidler7143 2 роки тому +10

      You don't teach beginners with incorrect form. He's teaching a squat with the bar in your hands. If a beginner listened to this, if he ever wanted to progress they would eventually have to relearn the movement.

  • @chriskailath5281
    @chriskailath5281 Рік тому

    Other than the sit back que, Sadik’s advice was correct

  • @thecaptainwheezy
    @thecaptainwheezy Рік тому +7

    A dude at my gym said my form was shit and told me to do the squat deadlift thing. At first I thought he may be right but I did some research and found this video. Thank you!!!

  • @mokxafitx
    @mokxafitx 2 роки тому

    Agreed.. .that's more of clean pull than conventional deadlift

  • @troybeck5226
    @troybeck5226 2 роки тому +5

    The big issue you both make and aren't taking into account is the fact that everyone's anatomy is slightly different. There are general rules of thumb for every lift and movement that we can follow and help out first timers with, but at the end of the day people's pulling/pressing power is going to be at slightly different angles. What makes you pull more, may not necessarily be what helps others pull more

    • @Auditas
      @Auditas 2 роки тому +4

      The difference in anatomy is not that big. If you are an outlier, you know it.

  • @nuzabe9054
    @nuzabe9054 2 роки тому +5

    There’s nothing wrong with that deadlift advice, it’s a leg dominant style. And if you want to learn how to clean, that style will work.

    • @SilverSlugs16
      @SilverSlugs16 11 місяців тому

      This is absolutely not good conventional deadlift advice lmao. He’s teaching the mistake that tons of newbies make. If you sit back on deadlifts you will not be able to use any challenging and productive weight without your body throwing you off that position into the proper position you need to actually lift the weight. It’s simple physics. Even in a clean deadlift you wouldn’t start pushing from that sat back position, many weight lifters like to rock back this way to begin their rhythm but they never push out of it which is the key difference. You will need to come forward just enough to begin the push. Clean deadlifts are generally done under the capacity of a true conventional deadlift yes but even those aren’t as leg dominant as what he’s demonstrating because that’s not possible. Hinging is still a critical part of the clean and clean dead. And that’s irrelevant anyway because he’s no even demoing how to do a clean or clean accessory

    • @nuzabe9054
      @nuzabe9054 11 місяців тому

      @@SilverSlugs16 nah it’s fine,learning this style when your new is perfectly fine, you’ll learn to use legs and then gradually learn to hinge as your back get stronger. For newbies it’s not a big deal lol. It’s for newbies that’s the point, they have weak lower backs. As the back gets stronger then the hinge will be safer to do, key word safety. Weightlifters don’t learn deadlifts as newbies but have no problem doing clean deadlift, conventional deadlift, even snatch deadlift as they get stronger/experienced, they can adjust no problem. You act like it’s a hard adjustment lol, because it’s not. A perfect ex. is Clarence Kennedy, when he cleans his hips go low, but when he actually deadlifts his hips are higher. He may not be teaching the relevant style but this style will still get you strong enough for a real deadlift. Weightlifters are literal examples. So you’re absolutely wrong in the process of learning a deadlift, there isn’t just one path.

  • @tom6567
    @tom6567 Рік тому +1

    Yeah a more vertical back seems to put more unnecessary pressure on the lower and risk hurting it. I learned the hard way.

  • @marktuason418
    @marktuason418 13 днів тому

    "Squatting your deadlift," however, DOES work for olympic lifters who are performing Clean Deadlifts.
    Olympic lifters are usually quad-dominant because they squat with a high bar position or they do front squats, and they go as low and as deep as possible in their squats, which emphasize the knee bend much more than the hips.
    As a consequence, they NEED to start their deadlift by "squatting" it, i.e. bending their knees and ankles significantly such that the hips are in a much lower position in order to get support from their strong quads in pressing off the floor. If olympic lifters try to pull conventionally with the hips high, this is what ends up leading to rounded lower backs especially when the weight gets heavy, and no amount of paused deadlifts will fix that.
    See how Toshiki Yamamoto (Squat Senpai) does his clean deadlifts.

  • @Grumbledookvid
    @Grumbledookvid 2 роки тому +5

    Lmao a sumo deadlifter giving advice, hilarious

    • @theiviachine
      @theiviachine 2 роки тому

      That’s what I’m saying lol

    • @benejix
      @benejix 2 роки тому

      He's right.

    • @bobbyflaybobbyflay5065
      @bobbyflaybobbyflay5065 Рік тому +3

      His conventional was 675 despite not even training for it and is the national champ wtf are you on?

    • @Grumbledookvid
      @Grumbledookvid Рік тому

      @@bobbyflaybobbyflay5065 he does sumo so I don't care

    • @cristian9365
      @cristian9365 Місяць тому

      ​@@Grumbledookvidyou deadlift 2 plates so I don't care

  • @twistedstrength.
    @twistedstrength. 2 роки тому +13

    I would be reluctant to criticize someone else’s form unless they are being unsafe to them selves or others. You may not know what they are trying to achieve with their movement. They may be trying to target different muscles for different rep ranges or working on self perceived weak points throughout their baseline movement. In my opinion, “The best way” for a lift should always be followed by a goal description for the exercise.

  • @coyotedes6886
    @coyotedes6886 4 місяці тому

    You got a strong split lift, how much do you deadlift though?

  • @talllifts174
    @talllifts174 Рік тому

    Omg thanks! I always forget about my imaginary chair when I deadlift

  • @jonrawls
    @jonrawls 2 роки тому +21

    The beginning of the trainer's deadlift is exactly how the Chinese Olympic gold medalists starts their deadlift, power clean, and snatch.

    • @rcruz6025
      @rcruz6025 2 роки тому +1

      If I’m not mistaken all Olympic lifters at the pro level definitely squat into their cleans and snatches. Just like how their squats are high bar and get way pass parallel and yet keep their backs and chest straight up. Power lifters have different form . I prefer oly than power and it seems to be the more athletically demanding sport as it’s not strictly strength being tested. I digress!

    • @kennethlipton2404
      @kennethlipton2404 2 роки тому +3

      You’re correct, but the intention behind their deadlifts, power cleans, & snatches is to get better at their specific Olympic lift(s). The shoes that they wear tend to be more aggressive in regards to their heel angle than most “squat” shoes in order to provide the leverage they need to get under the bar. Unless your intent is to also improve your Olympic lifts, then taking such a stance isn’t optimal.

  • @markokilibarda9497
    @markokilibarda9497 2 роки тому +13

    Lifting with a mask lmaooo

    • @nickallen2288
      @nickallen2288 Рік тому

      Nothing is more beta than pulling sumo and doing it with a face diaper 🤣

  • @ysong00
    @ysong00 Рік тому +2

    Don’t forget to grip the bar guys! Lol

  • @tsteezy209
    @tsteezy209 2 роки тому

    After you straighten your legs , what muscles are you using to continue your lift ?, because it’s not your legs

  • @Mor3Th4nJust4verage
    @Mor3Th4nJust4verage 2 роки тому +5

    There's a huge discrepency in what you guys want out of the movement, so thats where i think your points of contention come from. I can guaruntee you that that Sadik is doing more reps at a lower intensity (purely for the purpose of hypertrophy and NOT stregnth), so i dont necessairily disagree with his advice. Now this is pure speculation on my part, but sitting back and using your legs more might be better for higher rep sets purely for the sake of feeling safe while perfoming the movement during those "grinder" reps. Huge fan of the channel and your vids, but just thought i'd throw that out there!

    • @Jeneric81
      @Jeneric81 2 роки тому

      Even though this dichotomy is off, why would you do a deadlift for hypertrophy unless you want to train your back? And why would you in that case want to minimize back involvement?

    • @Powerofriend
      @Powerofriend 2 роки тому +1

      If you want to target your legs in a high rep hypertrophy kind of way there are better movement patterns for it than the deadlift or what Sadik is portraying here.

    • @dinnybam2057
      @dinnybam2057 2 роки тому +3

      The way he is doing is taking out a lot of hamstring which is stupid because deadlifts are great for hams. Sure it makes it more of a quad exercise the way he's doing it but there are much better exercises for quads so it makes no sense.

    • @RusyaidiDzulkifli
      @RusyaidiDzulkifli 2 роки тому

      @@Jeneric81 i do it the way sadik does it, it feels perfect for me, maybe it has something to do with the body's anatomy

    • @Jeneric81
      @Jeneric81 2 роки тому +1

      @@RusyaidiDzulkifli You're not pulling a heavy weight in this way, sorry. Video yourself from the side and watch where your hips and shoulders are when the actual bar breaks the floor.
      There's no anatomy that will make you pull significant weight from the floor with his style.

  • @insertname6521
    @insertname6521 2 роки тому +10

    Lol wtf is this form

  • @Tumpz
    @Tumpz Рік тому +1

    I did this for such a long time after starting lifting, doing it the proper way made me so much weaker 😂 but I will definitely be better soon

  • @r3v001
    @r3v001 2 роки тому +2

    Or option c they both are right depending on what someone is trying to achieve, and what will work better for an individuals body type… 💪🏽🤓👍🏽

  • @gouldbergvariations
    @gouldbergvariations 2 роки тому +4

    The first way is somewhat good advice for clean deadlift