We watched Long Way Round during my wife’s battle against bowl cancer. It was a really positive and motivating experience for her. We are fans. After her treatment we walked the Camino de Santiago then spent 6 weeks on a BMW R1200 GS across Europe. When we got home I bought one and ride nearly every day. We are doing another European bike trip in 2023 COVID permitting. We’ve only got good things to say about Charlie and Ewan. ✌️❤️🇦🇺 PS she’s still well in 2022 Thank you Jesus 🙏
I am sorry I didn't get a message out to you earlier. Thank you so much for this feedback. I am so glad things are going well and I hope you are continuing to fight and ride.
I have been watching and it seems to be exactly what I’d hoped for with these two. They are very open about their issues with the charging and the tech in general. I’m glad to see the honest discussions about feasibility and all my worries of an HD commercial have dissipated.
I've been watching the Long Way Up series. I thought the recharging of the bikes had to of been much more of a problem than they let on in the show. That said, Ewan and Charlie are as usual, very entertaining, super fun and provide us with hours of high class escapist viewing pleasure. I have LOVED all their adventure shows, and in 'Long Way Up' the scenery and vistas have been spectacular. This trip, in particular, has meant more to me as Tierra Del Fuego and the city of Ushuaia is the number one dream vacay on my personal bucket list.
Up was shot so well and I am really glad to have the chance to see these places. I have been pretty happy to see how open they were about their challenges. It has been a ton of fun and I look forward to future episodes.
They did show the bikes not charging well and one of the bikes broke down and to be pulled apart Harley Davidsons will be the Better of it they lessened a lot with new equipment
I am with you - I was a long distance bicyclist and bicycle tourer and switched over to motorcycles due to the time limits of middle age. My biggest motivation was the Long Way films. I want to see those guys on the screen again - I miss my virtual riding buddies. I will watch the film no matter what, but I was always a little skeptical of the electric thing. Who cares though. I am having my own riding adventures anyway...
Yeh, I guess you are right...who cares but I have held these guys up in such high regard (probably my first error) that I would hate to tarnish that image by creating a fake series. I want to see the adventure and not a commercial. I am guessing they will deliver but I do worry a little after that interview. I thought I was the only one with virtual riding buddies. ;-)
I realize this video is "old," having been published in February, but even then I recall there was some discussion about how they managed charging. It's explained in the link below, which was published in September. As explained therein, they installed phase 2 charging stations, in advance, all along their route. These were used to charge the Rivians, and from those they could charge the bikes in about an hour, supplementing them with local, slow charging. The charging stations were essentially donated to the communities where they were installed. Yes, it has the feel of an advert, but it's really more of an exploration of electric vehicles, their limits, and a focus on the relationship between Charlie and Ewan. Of course it's a production, but still worth a look. For a real, solo adventure, follow Itchy Boots. ua-cam.com/video/_kmK9iTq-FE/v-deo.html
Indeed there was a lot of talk all the way through about the level of support they would need to run this route in the time they had allotted. My issue or worry was that given the interview with Ewan that they might not be entirely forthcoming about the level of support needed for the trip. This would definitely make it feel more like an advert than an actual adventure. Luckily, they were VERY open about how they accomplished the mission which made me very happy to see.
As a motorcyclist myself, the fact remains that they still had to ride the bikes. Electric or otherwise, the trip still had to be made from the southern tip of Argentina to LA. Yes, it's a show and I've always thought that this adventure in particular, would probably have some factors playing in that we, the viewer, didn't see. It's a show after all but in no way does anything they had to do (that we didn't see), make it less entertaining.
I totally agree with you. The part of the trip I was most looking forward to was the difficulty they would have with charging an untested tech through some difficult areas. I was worried they would try to whitewash those issues but it seems like they have been really frank about it, which is very encouraging. The adventure so far has been fun and really beautiful. The show has done a good job of highlighting the holes in the electric possibilities but as they say, it does seem to have a future as they fill those gaps.
The outlet voltages outside of the US is about 230 volts, not 120 like the US. So the charge time would be about 25 miles per hour. Much faster than you stated for US outlets.
That would be a major difference but I didn't realize it would work well with different types of charge. Obviously, the only info I had was directly from HD and they only had the American stats. I am glad to see the honesty of the series around their issues.
@@BeGoneForGood I have taken my EV from Memphis to NY and Canada in 2014 and 2016, simply to disprove the myths about range. The charging network is much better for us in the US than in the route they traveled, They had help to make it possible. It took within 90 minutes of time difference from NY to Memphis in a internal combustion engine versus an EV, using DC fast chargers. And it was free for me!
The chargers Rivian installed were an awesome surprise when we found out about it. Unfortunately, at the time of this release we didn't know much of that info. I am glad to say, the team was very open about the issues they had with the bike all the way through. Fun series even with some of the let downs.
@@BeGoneForGood found a few already, longwayup isnt a fraud mate! its just you americans that belive you are the hot stuff and noone is better! surprise surprise that isnt true!
I think Patagonia and other countries in South America are 220v standard, not 110v like here in the US. So charging a battery would take a while, but it's not trickle charging.
Yeh...the charging cycles are different from what I was expecting but still longer than I think would be tolerable. Hopefully things continue to get better.
Very true but Harley has said that it takes a full night to get a charge on the bike from a wall charger. If they are getting any decent charge at lunch, it isn't from a standard wall charger.
I heard a rumour that they never even did the trip. Same for Long Way Round. It's mainly CGI as Ewan had filming commitments for a new Elvis film. The main reason for the support truck was for the extension cable - total fraudulent in my view. And Long Way Round - fancy filming and making an international best selling / award winning documentary with camera men, equipment and insurance etc. I heard they even had a truck to put the camera men in. Total fraud. I would have made an internationally best selling documentary and book myself - but without a camera or even a book. I just didn't. I heard that Ewan said he was going to ride the electric bike one handed and not charge it up at all - well, we'll see about that - he's just a show off anyway. I'm one of their biggest fans, but even I'm now starting to think that they kept putting petrol in the bikes in Long Way Round - I'm disgusted. They were the reason why I bought a BMW Rallye Suit - but now I feel robbed. I'm gutted but thank you for revealing all this. It's thanks to people like you that we finally get to the truth about the virus. Thoughts and Prayers. xx
Mr. Biketruck, I am well aware of who you are and your proximity to both Ewan and Charley so I am a little mystified that you chose this opportunity to sarcastically blast a fan rather than setting the record straight with information about what is going on with this series. Knowing that the first series was put out three months after completion with the second coming out just two months after completion, we are now more than six months removed from completion of this trip with ZERO word about upcoming release. It is funny how quickly you jumped all over the real concerns people had about this series and how it was/is going to be handled. I will admit that these guys have had to deal with super high expectations for follow up series sequels because of how amped the fans are (something Ewan already knows well stepping into the Star Wars franchise) but the PR side of this excursion has been awful. With channels like Itchy Boots putting out daily content and keeping in touch with fans the whole way, these guys have much higher marks to hit this time around if they are looking to capture similar audiences to the previous runs. I am still hopeful for how this turns out and how the duo handles the new route and the new, relatively untested, tech because I am a HUGE fan. It was a great thrill to see your name show up on my little channel and I get why you would be protective of your friends. If I could break it down simply, the fans are just super excited to see what is going to happen with this third installment and the delays are causing some anxiety. Thank you very much for checking out the vid and leaving feedback. I look forward to being wrong about all these concerns I have for the forthcoming premiere.
I’ve answered this before and I’ll do it again. The video discusses exactly what the title says it discusses. That isn’t click bait. If it had this title and thumbnail and was a recipe for chicken wings THAT would be click bait. Just a friendly little lesson from your crew at BGFG.
AGREE NO ONE would do that traveling with electric, but those guys are cool soooooooooooo I'll watch anyway :) but when I'm ready---> will do on a adventure
I agree. I am pretty sure I am such a huge fan, I would watch them just talk about bikes. The new trailer is out for the series and it looks spectacular. I am excited.
You mean he didn't mention EVERY LITTLE DETAIL in a super quick interview? WOW.. bowl me over with surprise.. What he also didn't mention was how he cuts his toe nails, what his father said to his mother 2 days before his conception, if he had ever tried to cut down a tree with a herring and what hair products he uses. HE MUST BE A SCAM.
If the interview was about his pedicuring routine, his father’s poetry, or his lumberjack skills, I’d think those omissions might matter a bit. However, since this was about the trip they made and the electric bikes they rode, I’d expect some talk of the apparatus and support necessary for that endevour. As I recognized in the vid, this was a quick snapshot but it did lend credence to the idea that these guys were going to whitewash the electric bike issues in an effort to push an unreliable bike in more of a commercial than a documentary. That would have been really disappointing. Luckily, now we have the series coming out so we can see for ourselves how they dealt with exposing the drawbacks of electric riding through areas without the infrastructure for such a ride. All that being said, I am glad LWU does indeed focus momentarily of Ewan’s toenail regimen.
@@BeGoneForGood seems to me that the interview was just about him in general, and the clip on youtube only shows the one part of the interview. but if you want to fixate on a small part of a small interview again i return to my previous comment referencing that he can't talk about every detail about a whole series of show.. if you want to know every little detail about the whole show, watch the whole show, watch the making of the show, watch the director's commentary about the show, or better yet, go back in time and be a staff member, to see the stuff they don't 'really' tell you.. Or you can just accept you can't be told everything in a 3 minute clip
@@ColinRichardson Fair enough. I think the question asked was more than enough room for Ewan to talk about the support necessary to run the route but maybe he just didn't mention it at that time. We can see now for ourselves, with the release, exactly what the final episodes will look like.
I don't know if I would call it hate as much as disappointment. These guys were a big driving force for many of us to jump into ADV and the choices made on this installment kind of left us wanting. It seems like a blending of goals and one of those goals was showcasing electric instead of the adventure. Not bad but just different than what many fans wanted.
Definitely, I think the electric choice changed things a bit but I was still looking forward to the experience. I am glad they remained honest about the difficulties and limitations but it seemed to lose a lot of life also. It is a shame because the first two were so good.
Maybe I missed part of it. But where exactly does “Ewan mcgregor speak out”! All I heard was this guy waffling away about something he knows little about and just speculates and of cours loves the sound of his own voice.
The attached link, which is from a network television show, is where you can hear Ewan talking about the show. The “waffling” is an answer to all the detractors that were in a huff about HD coming on board for the third series and the electric element of the trip. I hope that cleared everything up.
Check out Arkady Fiedler who drove a 2016 30kWh Nissan Leaf from Cape Town to Poland. Have you ever driven an EV or e-bike? It teaches you not to drive wastefully. The expected ranges that are advertised can often be doubled, as many videos prove. And the upside of driving clever means the battery is not overheating when you stop to charge, so the charge rate is higher, and because your mileage per kWh is also higher you're getting more miles back in. We have 2013 Leafs which are probably one of the least efficient EV's out there. A friend gets 6.5km/kWh average, yet when I drive it, I can easily get over 9, which includes a few sprints at the traffic lights. I'm not saying they didn't tell the whole truth, I'm just saying Harley Davidson did good with their first electric bike, and no matter what the mainstream media says. This is what people are starting to want and those that have it, will sell it. Great Channel, thanks
Thank you so much for the feedback and the added knowledge of the EV community. I don't know what the actual mileage for the bikes was compared to the theoretical but I didn't get the impression that HD was underselling their capability. It seemed like they actually ran into the opposite problem pretty often because of the cold, or going to fast, or hitting rough terrain. I imagine there will be a market one day for vehicles like this but between the lacking current offerings and the scarcity of "recharge" options, I could see that tipping point still being a ways off.
In 2010 the 2-seat all-electric SRZero built by Imperial College(London) EV "Racing Green" radicals far exceeded what Ewan et al have attempted ten years later: in 2010 they drove 16,000 miles from Alaska to the southernmost tip of Argentina down the Pan American Highway - and BBC World filmed the whole thing - it became one of the most popular, widely-viewed docu-series they ever broadcast. The SRZero averaged over 260 miles per charge - ten years ago ! Oh - and they were powered by Chinese "ThunderSky" li-ion batteries. The S. American segment is still fully viewable on UA-cam(links below). A full detailed written travelogue of the entire trip is also available here: www.racinggreenendurance.com/blog/?tag=srzero BBC World - the 6-episode SRZero S.American leg: ua-cam.com/video/-nt6ZvO8O-Q/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/X45Dlz6VQq4/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/bwiB5-J7WKQ/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/yO-MiGqMLoU/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/xkD68URe4Wk/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/XhZIK1Kxv6A/v-deo.html They also drove the SRZero 290 miles from London to Paris - in 2010 - on a single charge before heading off to Alaska for the main 26,000 mile EV endurance trip - video: ua-cam.com/video/pbvB-lT8m7E/v-deo.html ....furthermore(!) they got there with 14% charge remaining Paul G
I had never heard about that previous project but that is a pretty solid test of the tech. It will be interesting to see where the moto side of things is ten years from now.
Do you feel like I was misrepresenting what Ewan said in the interview or do you absolutely have to hear his voice to qualify as him “speaking out”? The input was from the interview and it was an answer to the speculation surrounding the project at the time. I guess I’m curious what feels click bait about that set up?
@@BeGoneForGood The first thing that got my attention was the word 'SCAM' on the thumbnail. The second thing was the header stating "Ewan McGregor finally speaks out" so by then I was very interested to watch the video and see what Ewan actually said. I assumed you had filmed an interview with him from the info given. I apologize if I have annoyed or offended you as that was not my intention, but "Ewan McGregor Finally Speaks Out" gave me the impression I would be at least hearing him do it, if not seeing it. I do not feel that you repeating what Ewan said misrepresented him in any way. Best wishes. P.S. I have altered my original comment to what I think is fair after reading your reply.
No offense taken at all. I just like to understand where the disconnect is on stuff like this. I appreciate your feedback and I apologize for not hitting your expectations on the title. As it stands I will see what I can learn to improve in the future but this title will stand as I simply disagree with your assessment. It was good to know how you felt though.
They could have gone the logical route and chose Teslas and Zeros which would have enabled them to complete the trip with no fuss. Instead they chose a prototype Rivian and a Prototype HD and had constant issues, often ran out of charge and had charging problems . let's not forget they required support vehicles with diesel generators to charge their bikes on occasions. It was nothing but a huge paid add for Rivian and HD. No logical person would have chosen those particular electric vehicles for that trip. Good adventure though!
It was a bit of a disappointment but mostly because I think they just tried to do too many different things. The first two series were all about the adventure. This time they also included the electric bike aspect and all the follow vehicles. Focus on any one of those aspects and it would be good.
I don't mind the support or that they charged the bikes broadly. The concern I had at this time, given this interview, is that they wouldn't be forthright about those support measures in an effort to make HD look as good as possible. I am glad to say that my faith in the guys was accurate as they did a good job of highlighting the difficulties of traveling like this. I have different issues with the focus of the show but as far as the support, they did a good job of explaining their specific uses.
I appreciate the feedback. I have gone with and without in various vids. This one wasn't a great example but I will be looking to improve the audio significantly in each one.
You are naive that’s for sure if you don’t think they were supported to the gills. The thing that is pretty lame though is how they talk about how they wanted to do this to lower their carbon footprint but their footprint must have been much bigger because of all the support and resources it took to take this trip on and electric bike.
I expected similar support to the previous two but my worry was whether they would be honest about the extra support needed for the electric element. I was glad to see they remained true to the brand and were very open about their struggles with the electric bikes.
No one mentioned it but I was certainly very curious how this series was going to go down. Now, luckily, we will find out tomorrow. Oh and EVERYTHING is a competition sport. ;-)
If their's no one to beat you're just beating yourself. 😊 Also so you know it is a commercial for UNICEF like all their treks have been. Welcome to the show.
My biggest worry was that they were going to soft peddle the conditions needed to run this route with electric bikes. Judging by some of the early reviews, that isn’t the case. All the questions should be answered with the first three episodes tomorrow, and I am very much looking forward to it.
The hate on this video aged hard. Honestly the entire thing is kinda dumb. The entire series so far is [charge.mp4], and there are so many gas powered support vehicles they may as well be making a larger carbon footprint than before. If they were going to do the whole electric thing, they should have saved it for a trip that was not cold. The beginning is so cold, it just straight up kills the bikes. Not smart. I feel the idea would work better if they did a roadtrip across the United States or something as a special edition on electric. As it would be safer and more practical. And possibly even promote electric bikes. But the nightmare that is the first leg of the trip really convinces the exact opposite.
I don't know if you meant the hate ON the video or the hate FOR the video. It was certainly not my intention to sound hateful in any way. I am a huge fan of this crew and my worry is that they would spoil a ton of goodwill from the previous series if they weren't very honest about their experience on the electric bikes to make HD look good. I am have been pleased to see they don't appear concerned with that aspect and have been exceedingly candid about their problems and issues with the new tech. It has been a great journey and I think instructive to see where the holes exist for electric infrastructure and the future of electric vehicles at large.
First time watcher of one of your videos. And I just watched the first episode of long way up. It will be very disappointing to find out they cheated the trip.
Thank you so much for finding us and taking the time to watch. It all sort of depends on what you consider “cheating the trip” to be. There are definitely some reasonable complaints about the way they handled the trip but I was pleasantly surprised at most of the series given some of my early concerns. Good luck with the rest of the watching and we’d love to know what you think at the end.
No chance they kept true to the tradition of adventure motorcycling and all that stuff you mentioned. Long way round was the same - support vehicles and reality TV. Check out Mondo Enduro if you haven't for a true to life round the world adventure.
I love that channel but I disagree with you a bit on your take on the previous series. I think it is still an adventure but just a different way to do it. I am okay with their support and how they choose to do their routes but I just want them to be honest about it. I got the initial impression with the LWU series that they were trying to hide the limitations of the electric bikes. From people that have prescreened the first three episodes, my worries were unfounded. I am really looking forward to seeing what the show looks like on September 18th. Thank you so much for watching and leaving feedback.
I’m not sure that spending time leaving feedback is the greatest example of “not caring” but I’m okay with it. I don’t know what debugging the series means. If there was ANYTHING better to do I’d be there but this is just too much fun.
I am truly with u. I love these guys and there shows. I also just wanna believe it. But i think its really difficult to go an electric Bikes. But all smells like "money". harley and their idea of "electric Bikes" and going through rough conditions. and the connection to apple TV. But i think their bikes were modified.
There bikes were significantly modified which only led to even more speculation about the motives here. I am glad to see they were very honest about the issues with the electric bikes but I do wish they had gone a different route.
This video was created eight months before the series premiered. The speculation around the trip was rampant at the time and I am glad the guys were honest about just how much support was needed for the trip because it was clear before and after this wouldn’t have been possible otherwise.
dude I am argentinian, what do you think we are?. we have a standard electric grid just like you have. do you even know patagonia or argentina to compare it to bolivia or central america?. dude read a little more.
The issues with charging were well recorded before the trip and even during the series itself. The numbers of available charging areas were also recorded long before I made the video and the comparisons are eminently clear. I’ve read and was well aware of the disparities before I made the video and will continue to stand by the assertions and will use the series itself as proof positive.
11 minutes of a guy speculating about a trip that no one has seen yet. At least you could have waited to see what they did before jumping into criticism disguised as analysis and without real fundaments
@@BeGoneForGood sorry you are not they did not swap the bikes they did plug in peoples houses they did build a grid so you said a lot a shit that was just that shit
@@guillermon5152 They didn't swap bikes? They charged out of people's houses? Hmmm...maybe you watched different series than I did but both of those things certainly didn't occur as you stated. It is good to know that Ewan and Charley have some solid minions though. Good luck to you both. Oh and I am a Marine...vomiting shit is like going home for me.
Be Gone For Good maybe you were not paying attention but Guillermo is correct. They did charge at houses and hotels when they could get to a rivian charging point. Did you forget they charged at weird hotel near the beginning of their trip which caused the electricity to go out? Or that time they went to what they thought was an electronics store and it was actually just someone’s house that was nice enough to let them charge?
@@emilyrico9451 I absolutely saw it but to believe that ALL of their charges were out of people's houses is just patently false. The support they brought with them and the Rivian chargers installed along the route are the ONLY way they were able to accomplish this mission in the time allotted. The point of the video, way back when, was to hope that the boys were better than all the naysayers and would be clear about all the support they used for the trip. So far it appears they have done a good job of showing the issues they've had "charging in people's homes" and how they supplemented a lot of this trip with support not available to most other travelers. That is all I am saying.
Unfortunately, the music is what it is but we have done a much better job for more recent vids of toning down the sound. At the time of this video, there was almost NO press or pictures of the adventure which made it super hard to include anything from the team. Now we can see a lot more since they released the opening episodes.
I thought I was going to watch a video of Ewan talking about the Long Way Up series, NOT some guy babbling on about it. The title is COMPLETELY misleading!!!! Waste of my time.
Scam? What? Like his light sabre wasn't real either? It's an entertainment show that you haven't even saw yet. Would you like them to break down like they might in "real life" without a crew? Would that mate you happy ffs. Can't see any point whatsoever in this totally shit video. Unsubscribed.
As I do my best to put together an answer for every comment, I struggled a little with yours and how to react. I was going to go for humor or start a fight but both would seem a little inauthentic or dismissive so instead, I am going to aim for explanatory. Now I know you didn't ask and likely don't much care but I thought I owed it to you nonetheless so here goes. I understand that "scam" was probably too strongly worded for this series and honestly, it isn't really what I thought but rather what I had heard from many others from my other vids about this subject. I dearly loved the previous two Long Way iterations and didn't think there was likely going to be much change for this one. I was all in on the electric bike twist and liked the idea of seeing the boys deal with new and emerging complications. Perhaps I am naive to think what we saw from the first two was more than entertainment but was closer to documentary. I just hope they maintain that balance, whatever it was from the beginnings. When I first saw the interview with Ewan it seemed like he was being less than genuine with his answers about traveling through SA and CA with electric bikes. Now some of that might be based on my hope for concentrating on that part of the trip and I would be lying if I wasn't a little guarded based on all the feedback from others about this being an HD commercial. It probably also didn't help that this was a tiny interview clip on a show not dedicated to the ins and outs of motorcycle travel. Perhaps Ewan was just telling the fun stories and not the nitty gritty of the trip adversities. It was likely a rush judgement but hell, that is what entertainment is all about right? Now I get to be pleasantly surprised when all of it turns out to be nothing. I don't mind the crew and support but, like the did in the first two, I'd just like them to be candid about that process. They probably will be but this first tiny, incomplete interview made me question otherwise. I really just wanted to see if others felt the same way or if I was crazy. Crazy seems to be the trending assessment. ;-) Okay lastly, I appreciate the sub from way back and I am sorry to see you go. This is the first unsubscribes I saw in real time when I bounced from 1,804 to 1,803. Maybe somewhere down the line, when all my LWU jitters are accounted for, I can earn you back with something else but either way I appreciate your feedback. I do take issue with the "total shit" video part...did you hear that bumper music? That was, at least, pretty solid right? ;-) Thanks again and I am intentionally denying your light saber wasn't real claim to keep the dream alive.
When they started in Patagonia, it was very cold, charging was slow and endurance low. It was not flattering to either Rivian or Harley. They found that charging indoors helped tremendously. As of now, Rivian developed a piggyback charger from truck to bike that takes 2 hours. This video was premature. Say what you will, but the doc is an adventure. Charlie is in rough shape to start. I couldn’t do it *without* broken legs. It’s a dramatic documentary, true. It’s not really technical. They are actors, but you can sense the rapport and love between these guys. They won’t be able to do another of these as they will be too old. I’m loving this.
You are right. This video was premature but that was all we had at the time so I put forward my thoughts because it was interesting to me to see the discord between the pro and anti Long Way folks. I never had any issue with the electric bike or the support necessary to run this route with the untested tech. My issue was with the appearance of dishonesty about that support in what seemed to be an effort to cover the LiveWire and its limitations. I am glad to say, my worries seem unfounded at this point. They have been very candid about the problems they ran into and it seems like a big step forward in understanding for this type of riding in the future. I hadn't heard about the Rivian upgrades but that is encouraging to see them make advancements based on lessons learned.
@@BeGoneForGood Yeah, great that you owned up to being premature but, your title is misleading...you’re banking on people clicking to see an interview with Ewan admitting certain things...but he’s nowhere to be seen or heard in your video...you should rename you video, just click bait. Put up an honest title “my opinion on....” You’re being just as deceptive with your description of the video so you are just as bad as they are by your logic and concern about honesty.....
@@TheNo1kissfan I don't know why you would think it is click bait to say Ewan speaks out about the show when in fact Ewan spoke about the show and I was commenting on that discussion. That seems WILDLY accurate to me. I can't of course play the interview (because of copyright strikes) but I do link to it so you can see it. "My opinion on..." doesn't need to be added because that is true of EVERY video on UA-cam for all subject matter across the board.
Too old? My Dad got back on a bike after 40+ years at 68 and rode until he was 72 - he's decided to knock it on the head now, but enjoyed lots of days out for a few years.
There is a follow up video coming but it won’t be talking about how I got it wrong because all I was doing here is answering the critics. I maintain my faith in the team while being critical of some of their methods. I’m glad you’re as excited as I am to see the next installment. Stay tuned.
@@BeGoneForGood Oh come on dude, you knew exactly what you were doing when you texted this qɯnp ƃuıʞɔnɟ clickbait crɐp. Don't try to ʞɔnɟ with us, man.
You are completely correct. I knew exactly what I was doing, which was answering the critics who were saying all of this stuff about the trip from the minute the partnership with HD was announced. I disagreed with the masses at that time but when I saw the interview I talked about in this video, I wondered if they might be right. This video discusses my hopes for the series and my worries that the naysayers were correct. Nothing about the title or the thumbnail is different from the subject matter of the vid...so yes, I knew what I was doing. I am glad you seemed to have noticed. Awesome text play by the way.
@@spitfire18 his credibility is shot proven by the comments here. But he doesn't care - its all about the number of views and clickbait. you're right. he knows exactly what he's doing (and so do we).
Totally. I completely agree with you and I am going to reserve judgement until I see it all the way through. It just struck as strange how he described the trip without bringing up what I would think would be an integral part of that discussion. My hope is that they deal with all of it during the actual show and I KNOW I will be watching intently. ;-)
I watched the first few episodes of the first series because of the bikes.. but came to enjoy Ewan & Charlie, the dynamic of friendships, scenery and culture. It’s still TV so try not to over think it. The real experience is in the doing not the watching.
I don't know that I said anything about Ewan speaking to me but he did talk about the trip and the support. I was simply commenting on that conversation. The funny thing is, this title is supposed to be the clearer one after I changed the original. I guess I just can't get it right. ;-)
You know, it's a TV show, they show a dozen hours of what was hundreds and hundreds of hours of a trip. I certainly believe this was a big ad for Harley Davidson, it was the worst bike they could use for trip like that...and I'm all pro-electric. That show is probably as "real" as Top Gear.
The 'green new deal' only puts money into the pockets of those pushing it. It's all a scam! Why buy a bike that goes 146 +/- miles, then you have to recharge it for 8 hrs, when you can buy a gas bike, spend a few bucks and 2 minutes to refuel, then be on your way again for another 150 + miles? I'll stick to gasoline engines when it comes to transportation. Batteries might be great for powering a home with solar panels, but when traveling? Not so much.
I agree with you that this bike doesn't, seemingly, make much sense for this type of trip. I could see it being useful as a commuter but as an ADV option it is wanting.
@ 5:15 No experienced traveler does 400-600 miles/day. You won't see anything other than road signs. If you take travel seriously, you're more likely to ride 200 miles per day and ride 3 days/week with four days of that being used to soak up the culture, visit sites and get your pictures/videos, etc. 600 miles/day is for long haul truckers, not tourists. With that being said, I watched both LWR and LWD and wasn't impressed with either. Both were pretty contrived.
That is funny because as an "experienced traveler" I did mileage like that for a couple of weeks with a few breaks but I guess that is sort of irrelevant because it is about THIS trip specifically. They had roughly 10,013 miles to cover over 86 days of travel. That comes out to 116.43 miles per/day without counting the trip across/around the Darien Gap and without any stopping to soak up culture or rest or repairs of filming. With bikes that HD themselves say only make 146-95 miles, that means there could very easily be some room for issues between the "story" and the reality. I just hope what we get is the reality.
You sound like a purist. Ask yourself, would you rather a world where LWR and LWD didn't exist at all? I'd say no for the first and I don't care for the second. The first one had a certain charm and really did convey the joy of adventure riding. The second one seemed very contrived.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 I thought LWD was better than LWR. Contrived? They flew Ted Simon to that flea market in Mongolia just so they could "bump" into him. LWD and LWR are Orange County Choppers version of travel...complete with drama and deadlines. Want to see an actual adventure? Watch 'Mondo Enduro' or 'Terra Circa'. Watch 'Riding solo at the top of the world' or 'One crazy ride'. Read the Book 'Mondo Enduro'. Watch these and you'll wonder how LWR/LWD stuck to the screen. Once you know the difference, you'll see the difference.
@@BeGoneForGood that's 146-195 in perfect conditions. Meaning those numbers are affected by everything including steep road grades, speed of travel, windy conditions, road conditions, temperature, road type, vehicle weight, rider weight, etc etc. If they were riding unloaded across Texas on flat, dry, and warm pavement with no headwind then yes 150-195 miles per charge would be achievable but they weren't.
I’ve enjoyed every series with Ewan and Charley but come on. They have incredible sponsorships and support equipment at all times so this isn’t raw adventure. Doesn’t change my desire to watch and enjoy though. Everybody sells out eventually.
I really hope that isn't true otherwise we are going to have tough days ahead of us with Itchy Boots, Sterling Noren and others... Let it be known now though, I would gladly sell out if anyone out there is willing to pay. ;-)
Even if they cheated a little on their description of the greatness of the electric motorcycle, that doesn’t change the fact the the trip would’ve been challenging and a great ride.
I was glad to see them being really honest about how much support was needed to take the electric bikes on this trip. That was one of my main worries. Now that I have seen the series I am disappointed that they spent so much time on the bikes and not the trip itself. They could have done a much better job but I hope for other options in the future.
Obviously you never watched “The Long Way Up” before posting this uninformed video. Rivian spent time and money to install chargers along the route and both Ewen and Charlie lamented throughout the show about the hassles of charging those electric Haley Davidson bikes. Seems like you have a hidden or possibly uninformed opinion. Watch the show.
You’ll notice this video was released eight months or so before the release of the series when the speculation about the motives behind the HD partnership and the choice of an electric bike were at an all time high. This is an answer to a lot of those conversations people were having and if you’d watched the entire video you’ll see the show did exactly what I expected. It answered the difficult questions about the limitations of the tech right now. It talked about what sort of support was necessary to make this trip possible. In all, I am very proud of this video which hit on the main points of contention and accurately stated the likelihood of the end result as the series was released. Maybe if you’d had less of an agenda yourself, you would have noticed that.
With few chargers in South America of course they had to have support charging along the way. People bagging EV's as impractical have a point but the first "horseless carriages" suffered from the same problems at the start. The range and charging speeds have improved over the years and will continue to improve. Already as commuter vehicles they are really good.
I agree, as a commuter vehicle, electric and more specifically electric motorcycles are pretty solid. I just don't know that there would EVER be a time where I trust it into the backcountry. For that ICE seems the clear winner.
I love the comments. I just didn’t know what you were trying to say. It’s good to know though that my channel name fits so well into gently covert dismissals.
I don’t mean to beat a dead horse but this is just the sort of thing I was mentioning...”at last” doesn’t really make any sense so again...I’m confused. Oh and just so you know...your caps lock keeps getting stuck on.
I wouldn't say its a scam but the program is heavily scripted definitely. Every episode there is a rush to the port or airport and theyre never going to make it but always do. They add a lot of voice over for effect and you hear them say things that clearly arent coming out of their mouth. When there was an accident, it was always assumed as the worst possible outcome. When the crew flipped their car in the Long Way Round on apparent flat ground, I kinda lost the sense that the program was genuine and now I literally dont believe a word that comes out of their mouth because of it. I still really like the series and always will. But Ewan and Charlie really try to make it dramatic as possible and I really dont think it is. Amazing how Ewan adopted his daughter from Mongolia, its the only bit of the entire series I think is genuine.
You need to listen to their interviews. At 2:00.Yes they said that when they stop and eat, they plug in where ever & when ever they can. Not just at night! With over 11'500 views and only 99 likes. Not good!
I’m not searching for likes. I’m taking a stance on a subject and sometimes that is unpopular. Plugging in wherever they are isn’t enough to charge the bikes afternoon riding. The only way these bikes get a full charge is overnight with standard or an hour or so on quick chargers. With the quick chargers that is easy but if they were/are going to go with “we just used local plug ins” then they are full of it. Luckily, from folks that have seen the first three episodes, they are very upfront about their charging regimen.
@@BeGoneForGood I think your missing the point here. This is all new. But first and foremost ....IT'S AN ADVENTURE!.. It is 100% new for motor bikes and no knows where it will go from here. Both the good and the bad are all aired for everyone to see and hear. Harley themselves said they are looking forward to all of the comments the 2 of them make along the way on their journey, so that they can readdress them later. This is very brave of HD to invest in this and for it to be out their for all to see. It doesn't matter if you don't do this for any thumbs up (just as well). But by having more thumbs down than up, shows that most people don't really care what you have to say. And in the end more and more people give you thumbs down don't what to see you channel. Then whats the point?
I’m not missing the point at all. I want this to be a real look at this adventure but when Ewan states that they plugged in where they could and doesn’t mention (at least in this tiny interview) about their reliance on support vehicles and quick chargers then I wonder how much truth we’re getting. If they went about this as a commercial instead of a fact finding mission that will show pros AND cons then I would lose a lot of respect for the pair. Luckily, based off the early viewers, that isn’t the case at all and they were very honest about their unique circumstances. I applaud them for that and it was sort of what I expected all along. This single interview gave me pause but I had faith. Lastly, thumbs up, thumbs down...it’s all part of the feedback loop. One of my most popular vids is about 50/50 so I am okay with being controversial. What I’m not okay with is lying about what I think so people I’ll like me. As you stated, what’s the point in that?
Certainly not a hater as you can see from the vid but you are right about my lack of production capability. My sound mix is ALL off but I’ve gotten better over the last couple of years. I am curious if you believe the forthright nature of the series is an important detail when dealing with new tech and a MASSIVE new sponsor. I absolutely thought that was worthwhile.
you spent 10 mins trying to question the 2 mins Ewan briefly spoke about their latest installment of the Long Way series. Perhaps they are saving it to be revealed on the show that the bikes suck? and that in order to keep with their schedule they had to rely on the backup they planned for. take it easy and wait for the show to air.
Oh man...that would be pretty wild if they went the opposite way from my worries and just TRASHED the bikes the whole way. Hilarious. That would be quite a surprise. I know I am kind of jumping the gun, especially with such a short snippet to work with, but I am so excited to see what this trip looks like. If they had done it on the old GS bikes, I would be looking forward to it but in that "nothing new to see here" kind of way. With the electric bikes this just gets SO much more interesting. My excitement and hope that they stay true to the Long Way brand is obviously bleeding through. I really appreciate you talking me down a bit because without a release date yet, I couldn't keep this up indefinitely. When that date gets announced though, I will be right back here chomping on my fingernails. ;-)
@@BeGoneForGood I join this discussion late and I'm only just starting to watch the show a year later. I wish I could have made this comment a year ago: don't forget that during the first tour Claudio's bike fell apart in Mongolia with the BMWs not getting the best PR and Claudio having a much easier trip on his $ 200 bike that he was using for the duration of the repairs. In both in Italy and Mongolia Ewan and Charlie questioned the bikes, e.g. in Italy they commented on how uncomfortable the bikes were.
The "Long Way Up" series was produced as a entertainment series. Think of this as another "reality" TV series. It is made to appear realistic, but there is way more happening behind the scenes. Don't think too much beyond that. Enjoy the series for the beautiful bikes, gorgeous scenery, and friendship.
I think maybe you didn’t watch it quite well enough because I talk fairly explicitly about the timeline they ran, and that it could NOT be done by standard charging at homes. That would be the scam if, again as stated in the video over and over, they weren’t open and honest about the myriad support options they had along the way. Maybe a cursory review is in order because you may have missed some of the more salient points.
Sorry but without even seeing the interview yet, it was clear to me from the word electric that this was a virtue signalling sell out performance from the word go. When I heard Harley Davidson was involved I was SURE of it. I'm not a big fan of "Man-Made" climate change fearmongering, and although I am excited at new cleaner sources of energy, I do not consider electric propulsion particularly efficient once you dive into the manufacturing and the need for electric power usually made by burning fuel. Get rid of the middleman, go light, and run a gas-powered adventure bike. The environment will thank you. Gas is much more environmentally friendly at this time, and so sorry, electric adventure bikes are a poor choice for a trip like this, so other than the entertainment value which I am hopeful for, it is a sell-out and virtue signalling at it's worse, OR just complete ignorance, but I credit Charlie and Ewan with more intelligence, so I am gonna give them the benefit of the doubt, and accuse them of being used for money. This was a sell-out of common sense from the word go, and I assume fake as hell, although I haven't watched yet, but really if you need to ride that route, DON'T use any kind of electric powered bike. You are just creating problems, and you are NOT helping the environment. BTW CO2 is not a toxic gas, it is the noble gas of life, and for over 90% of the history of life on this planet, it was about 4 to 6 times higher than it is right now without melting anything, and the fauna and flora of the earth was happier for it. You don't need failed models when you have history. Databyter
I don't have the background or expertise to get too deep into your post but I really appreciate your take on the journey. I didn't really think of the electric bike thing as a sell out because I think Ewan is certainly a true believer and wasn't just doing this for the show. It may not be a great choice for the type of adventure they chose but for me, that makes it interesting. They could have chosen to just ride around the States which could have supported this type of bike over those distances pretty easily. The fact that they chose to go in over the top of what this bike is capable of and really find the breaking points, is a HUGE selling point for the series to me. I have been encouraged with how open they have been all the way through about the bike's limitations. It seemed less like a commercial and more like a fact finding mission which is obviously more fun for the viewer. This type of trip on this type of bike probably won't be possible for the "regular guys" for another ten years or so which is why I think their adoption of this tech is instructive for the rest of us. It gives a great indication of where this technology needs to grow before it is broadly accessible. Maybe it is bad tech and won't be the future but right now, this gives us places to grow.
@@BeGoneForGood I have seen the first few episodes so far, out of curiousity since I really liked their other adventures, and I must say, they didn't sugar coat it much. They showed the flatbed with the Diesel generator having to be towed along with the trip. They showed that even most household energy grids do not have sufficient amperage capacity to charge these machines. I still say that it is a bad choice of machine for the task and that a gasoline powered motor is actually more efficient AND environmentally friendly. But I have more appreciation for the pioneering adventure after having watched it. And it is entertaining. My main argument is over the falicy and politics of ManMade Global Warming Theory itself. I applaud any exploration of new technology as a nerd. I just hate the fact that people are being told the sky is falling when it is not, because they are being sold a lie to give manipulative and evil people power to control and destroy economies. Databyter
There is always a way to get something done. The adventure with electric is trying to get there on a battery where for us the adventure is the journey, not having to worry much about the bike. I would consider it for around town but I just don't ride around town. Cross country, absolutely not interested. It's silent because all their batteries are dead. I don't think it's a scam. Just not practical on any electric bike. If you have support vehicles I would think that battery swaps would be the way to go. Someone needs to be hauling a generator. The Ford truck could supply all the DC they could use with a DC generator installed.
You mention the silence but I forgot to mention the release schedules for the first two trips. LWR was released in 3 months after completion, LWD in 2 months. I would suspect, if LWU was going to be released at 2 months or 3 months, we should have an announcement any day now. Maybe I don't understand the marketing plan but getting info out seems like a good choice. Or maybe I just want to hear more. ;-) I don't have an issue at all with the support or measures they needed to make the trip happen. I just hope we get to see all that extra stuff so it doesn't seem like they are "faking" an all electric trip through SA and CA. I want to see the adventure and not a commercial. That is what they gave us before and I hope to see the same this time as well.
Imagine the adventures we will be able to do when the technology matures or when it will be possible to get 1000 miles from a single charge. Adventure riding will be unstoppable!
Adventure ? Having fleet of support vehicles , huge arse diesel Generator, team of people including doctor and mechanic , staying in luxury hotels, massive support from the manufacturers that are paying for tons of stuff …. All of this to promote electric vehicles . Don’t get me wrong I love Charlie and Ewan , all the good work they do really nice guys but I have to warn you that the electric future is not Green !!! If they did the trip like most other adventure riders solo and on petrol powered bikes the environmental impact would have been a microscopic fraction of what they have created with the trip they did . Shame .
Long Way Up was so cringe. Long way round was awesome and epic. Long way down was ok, but too much about Ewans wife and border crossings. This last one was so bad i didnt finish it. The concept was fine but everything was about these stupid bikes and so boring. Ruined a good idea from the green focus crap.
I agree and I think they have enough clout in the category to open it up a little. I just hope we get to see those differences play out during the show. It should be fun to watch.
Obviously, it's a reality show. But I refuse to believe that Ewan McGregor and Charlie Booman would risk their fame and prestige by rigging a trip. The trip really happened, but we don't know everything about it. Cheers!
Oh yeh, I was expecting the same thing. The boys wouldn’t let us down but all the hype around it has me nervous. I’m glad to say I think they did a fair job talking about the limitations of the bike. Mexico was disappointing but the electric bike was handled well.
Well I’m sorry but if you actually watched the whole thing then you would understand that it wasn’t about the bikes it was about getting Charley Boorman back on a bike after his horrific accident that nearly killed him. This is why they used the Harley’s as they were lighter and Charley could manage the trip. Yes the electric is a issue but that’s why they had a 3.5 tonne truck following them with a generator on the back of it. I don’t understand people like you that will sit in your armchair and moan about things that you have never done or ever will!!!!!! I spent a year trying to walk after a spinal injury but My friend got me a motorbike and I got back into riding. I travel around Spain and France and this was due to my friends helping me out after my tragic accident. So if you want to sit in your armchair and moan about what’s true and Not you best not watch Eastenders!!!!!!!! Live your life as we only get one chance to enjoy it and not pick on those who do.
David, I’m glad you battled back and are doing better but if you’ll notice, this video was uploaded 8 months ago. This was long before we had any of the info you are stating here and my speculation was an answer to all the naysayers calling this project a big commercial for HD. I had faith in the crew to do an honest job with everything but a single interview from Ewan got me worried about how much info we were going to get. I’m glad to say they have done a great job so far of being very open about the level of support needed to embark on a trip like this with new tech. There was no moaning but simply recognizing that in an information blackout, like there was after completion of the trip, there will be plenty of rumors flying around. This video was released to address those rumors and their validity.
@@BeGoneForGood many thanks for your response. I have only got to episode 8 and yet I agree with the most of comments that the music is too loud. But I understand that everyone has an opinion and yes they could never have done the trip on electric bikes. But it’s something for old broken bikers like me who can look at something to do. Well one year. With the COVID crisis we can only live our lives through the TV. Thanks and be safe
I don’t. I didn’t really think it was before either but the naysayers got to me after that Ewan interview. I’m glad they seem to be really honest about the pitfalls of the new electric tech. It’s a solid show and doesn’t feel like a commercial at all. I appreciate their open discussions about their logistics issues all around.
Dude reviewed & critiqued something without seeing it🙄 as someone who loved the first 2 trips immensely.. this jus seems pointless pathetic desperate for content.. what a goon
Definitely goonish but this was all we had going eight months ago, speculation. It still amazes me that with all the tech we have now compared to the previous two series that there was zero info about this journey for almost ten months. That is a significant waste of the interest and capabilities of this community. Either way, the series is finally out and able to be watch so all the guessing is over.
It is good to see them being completely forthright about the level of support they needed for this trip. It is exactly what I had expected and it makes it a much more interesting series because of it. Also, there is nothing I can do about the tunes on this one but I have made adjustments for the follow up vids so it should sound better overall in the future.
I am sure you heard all the feedback as these guys chose the bikes and ran through their trip. There were a lot of people calling them sellouts and attacking the project as a scam. This video is an answer to those naysayers and giving my own thoughts on whether the "scam" label is accurate. I wasn't calling it a scam and now seeing the series after being finished I am glad to say our faith in the pairs honesty was well placed.
I think there is a lot of love for this crew and when it appears someone is bad-mouthing them, the feedback comes quick. I get it. I am a fan too so it makes sense. I do also think that these are reasonable questions to ask as they made some major changes to this round. I am glad to see our faith in their process was solid.
@@BeGoneForGood they still had to use diesel generators along the route and cheat quiet a bit. But I think it made the trip even more interesting a new dynamic while keeping the core elements. In any case the old BMWs in the old series would break down the whole time anyway so it’s just a new version of that. Anyway now it’s time to watch the new episode out today 😊 thanks fir the reply you seem like a decent guy ignore the negatives 👍👍
If only...right? That would have been a really cool trick as the two bikes were dwindling, Ewan just puts his finger on the charger and we watch the bike power right back up as Charley loses charge and stops. Hilarious.
I liked portions but overall was a little underwhelmed. It seemed like all the hubbub around the electric bike took attention away from the adventure needlessly. Also, the close of the show with the bus and all but bypassing Mexico was a pretty poor ending. I’d agree though that the shots they did get were incredible. This was certainly a much slicker series than the previous two, which makes sense.
One thing about LWA and LWD (I haven't seen LWU yet) that is important to me is how they explore the culture. Like Bourdain's later stuff, the bikes or food are just an excuse for the exploration. A sort of a SitDoc (Situation documentary) if you will. I've been riding over 50 years, so the bike aspect is indeed important to me, but the overall adventure is the main deal. Sure they had a slew of support. So what? They were making a series...
I don't and never minded the support. I just wanted them to be honest about their support and, right now, they seem to be extremely candid about their issues and problems with the new tech. It isn't the commercial everyone worried about which is significantly encouraging. As far as the culture side of things, I think they have done a great job so far. Some have questioned if their constant search for a charge has affected their ability to take moments to "smell the roses" but it seems like a trade off to me. I look forward to the future episodes as they get closer to the States.
I loved the Long Way Round. Great adventure. But the one thing I didn't understand was why brand as a two motorbikes adventure, when even taking support cars aside, there's actually 3 bikes, because there's a cameraman with them all the time... Was he really essential? I can understand support cars, but a third bike? But I still enjoyed it. Then in the Long Way Down, Ewan's ego started to take over, and we had little McGregor family show. But how can you blame him, he just loves his wife so much. Or loved should I say, because I've watched the first episode of Long Way Up and she wasn't mention even once. I wonder why... Anyway, this whole electric thing totally killed that show for me, it became too commercialized...
I don't know that I think it killed it but it certainly changed the tone and tenor of the series. It was a bit of a disappointment but not for the reasons I was most worried about when I made this video. Ultimately, it is what it is but I wish it had gone another way.
I mean, it's like saying those who ride mountains with a best of the best gear, helicopter crew and shit VS an idiot riding the same mountain in the cardboard and kill themselves on the way are real! And those first one are not. It's a fucking adventure. A journey. Do it however you want. It's not wrong. It's not right. It just is. So who cares what Harley thinks? Who fucking cares. This video? Expectations, expectations, expectations... Fuck that!
The whole show is a very expensive HD publicity stunt that went terribly wrong. The HD electric bike is very important for HD to survive and then this happens. I don’t think people are running to HD shops to buy this bike that travels best on a bus.I feel very sorry for Mr Mc Gregor and Boorman that they did this advertisement movie. It is humiliating to see them in this role. They are getting too old and rich to take part of a real adventure and I don’t think they wil ever do another film of this sort. Maybe a bucket-list film in an old bus with two 250cc dirtbikes in it and without too much sponsors. Sic transit gloria mundi. I am so sad.
I fear you may be right and we will never see the duo out there again in this type of adventure. It is too bad but they seemed to have squandered this opportunity a bit. Maybe if we are lucky there will be several new riders to watch in the coming years as the travel and tech become more and more accessible.
Your UA-cam video is irrelevant because you are using the word scam as beat click before watching the actual documentary. The first notion of lack of credibility is that you have your background music almost louder than your microphone in your mix. You are all seeing using terms like, “I don’t think” , “I’m not sure if“... Remember that a documentary of this sort is actually showing a “in a perfect world” scenario were charging stations of adequate charging capabilities are available for the electric bike. So far the documentary shows that it’s possible if you have diesel generators being pulled with a camera crew. As the technology gets better and better, this gets easier and easier and more likely to be available to every day Consumers. This is the way of all vehicles and I applied to Filmmaker’s for not only making something entertaining while educational which is the true sign of a successful documentary. On the other hand, you are UA-cam video I would not applied as not only a filmmaker but documentary filmmaker as you are beginning with bait click terminology. If you have seen all of the episodes then you should seriously consider either taking down this video or retracting some of your statements. Also fire your sound engineer as I was not able to get more than 40% through your video
The reason I used the word "scam" as a question is because after my first video on the subject I heard tons of feedback from people saying this was a scam to push HD's electric tech. I didn't really believe that and had tons of faith in the boys to be honest about their adventure as they were with the first two in the series. It wasn't until I saw the interview with Ewan mentioned in the video that I started to doubt myself and think maybe those naysayers saw something I didn't. In that super short interview segment, it didn't seem clear just how much support they used for the trip and it seemed possible for the first time, in my mind, that this could have all been a PR stunt. You also have to remember that this video was shot eight months before we even had a release date for the series and all there was to go on was rumor and found photos of the journey from non-participants. The flow of information out of this project, given what is available today, was abysmal and that led to many, including me, to be understandably apprehensive about motives. I said things like, "I don't think..." and "I am not sure if..." because I am not a journalist and am purely giving speculation about a topic we are all interested in. As far as taking this down, it isn't going to happen for two reasons. One, nothing I said in this video is outside the bounds of reasonable criticism given what we had at the time. There have been follow ups which have revised my thinking on their handling of the new tech and their responsibility for honesty. Secondly, asking a question isn't an indictment. It is a question and that is pretty simple to see from the video as I am a huge fan of the team. Lastly, I love that you think I have a "sound engineer" for these productions. Either that means I am better at this than I thought or worse. Tough to say but the music issue has been adjusted in follow up videos and I look forward to your continued viewing to watch how this one man operation improves with each new offering.
The whole thing was a scam. This bike has very shitty range. Its a city bike plain and simple. Unless you live in LA or NYC your gonna struggle finding charging stations in the US. I50 miles tops and if your on it then the charge goes even quicker. Most of the time these guys were riding at 40 mph or lower. Thats not a fun ride. Plus they had a shit ton of support vehicles. If harley can increase the range and lower the price it will sell. Otherwise it will become a museum piece quick.
Just finished watching the series....maybe you should have waited and watched the series. There were numerous challenges they had with regards to charging the bikes and the Rivian vechicles. By doing this video prematurely, it makes you look, at the very least, foolish. I am not familiar with this UA-cam channel is, but why would you even talk about fraudulent behaviour before watching the actual series?
These were the questions swirling around the project basically the moment it was announced that they would be riding the Harley Livewire. My start in adventure biking, like many others, came from the previous two series so I was really excited to see the third installment. I’d always defended the decision by the crew without hesitation until I saw the referenced interview with Ewan where he seemingly skirted the support element to this trip. It was the first I thought maybe all the cynics were right. This video discusses those doubts I’d had and reiterated my expectations, which were met, for honesty and sincerity from the boys, about exactly what was needed to complete this trip.
At the beginning yes, even they complained, Ewan said long way and electric bikes no way! in a hotel room, probably he cried when cameras turned off, they tried not to show their frustration but it was obvious then Rivian made them a new charger (for Harleys) which is portable, installed on Rivian cars and fully charges a bike in 2 hours, watch carefully! Those two men and the team put their life into that series what are you talking about, cameraman guy was dying of altitude sickness, he carried on till they "posted" him down, director went under broken Rivian car, tonnes of weight, to repair on that loose terrain I was shouting get out of under the car you gonna die, just to save the series, just to keep the team going, Charley??? right after an ultra serious accident kept him in hospital for months with all pins on his legs and body, he ride in pain for hours day after day under rough and dangerous terrain, hard and soft mixed, knowing that next accident will leave him disabled, he ain't said nothing, not one single word, just carried on and never showed up his pain, kept the team going. Also it was so cold at the beginning Harleys not charged proper then weather changed things started getting better, smiley faces started on all team members. It's Rivian's invention saved the series. The only thing was good about Harleys, they sound awesome. Credit to Rivian more than Harley. Next series coming, " long way up then round and round again" :)
The series has been incredible and I am glad to see my expectations of the guys being honest about their issues with the new tech were met with flying colors. It has been a monster ride so far.
Watch the show. No one is trying to lie and make anything up, Did they have a vast support team, YES. Did they stop and have failed luck on charging, YES. Did they have a pickup truck that carried a diesel generator to help them in a pinch, YES. Are these guys also doing this on a timeline and on a production schedule, YES. Are they traveling around wearing their celebrity on their sleeves, NO. Are they hiding that they don’t want to be in a Patagonian winter night with just a tent, NO. If you are watching the show to see if two guys did an epic journey with no support and no backups, then this isn’t a show for you. If you want to see two people experiencing humanity on a journey that coincidentally, they did on electric vehicles to bring attention to other pressing environmental issues... you might enjoy it.
This was posted nearly 8 months ago when we were getting zero info from the production and no evidence was available for anything about the trip. The vid was speculative, of course, and I am glad we will finally get a lot of answers to these questions as the series is released. I am glad to see they are being very forthright about their challenges and support. It is exactly as I had expected.
Cannot hear much of what you are saying. Your strong U/S accent, which is not easy for native speakers of English to understand, and the overbearing music (noise) defeat your purpose. I persevered, but gave up after about 4 - 5 minutes.
I apologize for the difficulties. It turns out the mix on this sound was off and created problems for many. It should be getting better in the follow up vids. Thank you very much for the heads up but I can't do much about the accent. I was born with it. ;-)
I watched..but, sadly I did not want to have to hear your personal rant. Neither you or I were there. I would suggest in future to allow the persons watching to watch, listen and determine...not be swayed by YOUR opinion. Thank you
I am pretty sure no one is going to be swayed by my opinion but I do revel in the conversation. It is a shame you didn’t make it all the way through because there were some real gems at the tail end.
complete waste of time, the bikes and Rivians break before or at México because the trip stops at central America and you don´t see any of that up to L.A. instead it turns into pimp my ride with a bus and some phony story about dangerous travel in much safer places than the ones they´ve already been in.
Yeh, this is basically how I felt for the last couple of episodes. It just felt rushed and unfinished. It is a shame really because it could have been so much more if the boys hadn't lost focus.
If you read Rivian's comments on this, Rivian, and possibly Harley, paid for and installed chargers all throughout South America before the long way up. Additionally Rivian vehicles have giant batteries that can go 400+ miles and the extra charge on a 150 miles day can be used to charge the bikes. Beyond that most of the travel was at relatively low speeds, which extends the range of electric vehicles.
That is really cool that Rivian helped them with the charging issues and I am glad to see them being so candid about the limitations of this new tech. It has been interesting to watch their experience.
I don't get what would be bad if they used the DC chargers? In the other show, the support vehicles helped them occasionally with gas and spare parts. Who cares? Isn't this just about seeing the bikes and the guys having fun?
I don't think there is anything wrong with the DC chargers at all. I kind of figured they would be a big part of the show. I think the only thing I would be disappointed about would be if they used the chargers often but acted as though they could have done the trip without them. The interview gave me the impression they were trying to say the bikes made it on house charges and lunchtime "refills" to make the trip. I don't see how that is possible but I am VERY interested in watching to find out. September 18th is the premiere date.
You should not have made any comments without watching the show. They showed the other vehicles and creation of charging stations. Your critique has no merit because you did not watch the show. Shame! Shame! Shame!
Shame, Shame, Shame seems a bit over dramatic but I will address your assertions. The show wasn't available when I made the comments and I made those comments BECAUSE there was a lot of speculation surrounding the project. If you watched the video at all you would have found that I expected the guys to handle themselves exactly as they did. I went through the concerns I was hearing and was VERY supportive of the project. I think they did a very good job of covering the good and bad of the electric bike on a trip like this, which again, is exactly what I expected. If doubts and concerns should never be voiced when dealing with much loved product, then I guess we will simply have to agree to disagree. I appreciate the feedback either way.
Harley Davidson and Apple are paying them a lot of money. That's the big difference this time. Electric bikes wouldn't have been doable on the other Long Way trips.
I would have agreed with you for sure but the trailer just came out and it looks like they tackle some pretty rough areas. I mean, it isn't off-roading in Mongolia but they definitely pushed these bikes.
Yeah support van that won't charge the bikes is fossil fueled! The bike Claudio rides is fossil fueled! Most of the remote locations they charge off are powered by guess what, Fossil Fueled!
It has been a MAJOR undertaking to keep these vehicles on the road but, at least, they are being very honest about those issues. That was my biggest worry as we waited for the series. It is a new tech that is relatively untested, especially in these areas so I applaud their effort. Plus it has been fun to watch and really shot incredible well.
We watched Long Way Round during my wife’s battle against bowl cancer. It was a really positive and motivating experience for her. We are fans. After her treatment we walked the Camino de Santiago then spent 6 weeks on a BMW R1200 GS across Europe. When we got home I bought one and ride nearly every day. We are doing another European bike trip in 2023 COVID permitting. We’ve only got good things to say about Charlie and Ewan. ✌️❤️🇦🇺 PS she’s still well in 2022 Thank you Jesus 🙏
Truly epic!! Love to you both.
I hope you enjoy your 2023 trip. Your wife is a soldier for going through all that. Much love ❤
I am sorry I didn't get a message out to you earlier. Thank you so much for this feedback. I am so glad things are going well and I hope you are continuing to fight and ride.
Please turn the "background" music level down... Very distracting.
Quick question, are you listening with headphones, phone speaker, computer speakers, or home tv speakers?
@@BeGoneForGood HDTV w/ Nvidia Shield TV
Got it. Thank you. I can't do anything about this one but I will take that into account for levels in future vids.
It's kind of loud just on my phone. Like 15 percent lower would be great.
@@BeGoneForGood wow u actually listened 😆
well hopefully you have watched it now. and can understand.
I have been watching and it seems to be exactly what I’d hoped for with these two. They are very open about their issues with the charging and the tech in general. I’m glad to see the honest discussions about feasibility and all my worries of an HD commercial have dissipated.
@@BeGoneForGood good man.
I've been watching the Long Way Up series.
I thought the recharging of the bikes had to of been much more of a problem than they let on in the show.
That said, Ewan and Charlie are as usual, very entertaining, super fun and provide us with hours of high class escapist viewing pleasure. I have LOVED all their adventure shows, and in 'Long Way Up' the scenery and vistas have been spectacular.
This trip, in particular, has meant more to me as Tierra Del Fuego and the city of Ushuaia is the number one dream vacay on my personal bucket list.
Up was shot so well and I am really glad to have the chance to see these places. I have been pretty happy to see how open they were about their challenges. It has been a ton of fun and I look forward to future episodes.
They did show the bikes not charging well and one of the bikes broke down and to be pulled apart Harley Davidsons will be the Better of it they lessened a lot with new equipment
I am with you - I was a long distance bicyclist and bicycle tourer and switched over to motorcycles due to the time limits of middle age. My biggest motivation was the Long Way films. I want to see those guys on the screen again - I miss my virtual riding buddies. I will watch the film no matter what, but I was always a little skeptical of the electric thing. Who cares though. I am having my own riding adventures anyway...
Yeh, I guess you are right...who cares but I have held these guys up in such high regard (probably my first error) that I would hate to tarnish that image by creating a fake series. I want to see the adventure and not a commercial. I am guessing they will deliver but I do worry a little after that interview.
I thought I was the only one with virtual riding buddies. ;-)
I realize this video is "old," having been published in February, but even then I recall there was some discussion about how they managed charging. It's explained in the link below, which was published in September. As explained therein, they installed phase 2 charging stations, in advance, all along their route. These were used to charge the Rivians, and from those they could charge the bikes in about an hour, supplementing them with local, slow charging. The charging stations were essentially donated to the communities where they were installed. Yes, it has the feel of an advert, but it's really more of an exploration of electric vehicles, their limits, and a focus on the relationship between Charlie and Ewan. Of course it's a production, but still worth a look. For a real, solo adventure, follow Itchy Boots.
ua-cam.com/video/_kmK9iTq-FE/v-deo.html
Indeed there was a lot of talk all the way through about the level of support they would need to run this route in the time they had allotted. My issue or worry was that given the interview with Ewan that they might not be entirely forthcoming about the level of support needed for the trip. This would definitely make it feel more like an advert than an actual adventure. Luckily, they were VERY open about how they accomplished the mission which made me very happy to see.
Ofc if you have dedicated charging stations installed JUST FOR YOUR TRIP electric must be pretty cool..
It was pretty clear watching the show/doc that they had additional support. Many of those vehicles made appearances throughout the season.
Guess it was the black sprinter
As a motorcyclist myself, the fact remains that they still had to ride the bikes. Electric or otherwise, the trip still had to be made from the southern tip of Argentina to LA. Yes, it's a show and I've always thought that this adventure in particular, would probably have some factors playing in that we, the viewer, didn't see. It's a show after all but in no way does anything they had to do (that we didn't see), make it less entertaining.
I totally agree with you. The part of the trip I was most looking forward to was the difficulty they would have with charging an untested tech through some difficult areas. I was worried they would try to whitewash those issues but it seems like they have been really frank about it, which is very encouraging. The adventure so far has been fun and really beautiful. The show has done a good job of highlighting the holes in the electric possibilities but as they say, it does seem to have a future as they fill those gaps.
The outlet voltages outside of the US is about 230 volts, not 120 like the US. So the charge time would be about 25 miles per hour. Much faster than you stated for US outlets.
That would be a major difference but I didn't realize it would work well with different types of charge. Obviously, the only info I had was directly from HD and they only had the American stats. I am glad to see the honesty of the series around their issues.
@@BeGoneForGood I have taken my EV from Memphis to NY and Canada in 2014 and 2016, simply to disprove the myths about range. The charging network is much better for us in the US than in the route they traveled, They had help to make it possible. It took within 90 minutes of time difference from NY to Memphis in a internal combustion engine versus an EV, using DC fast chargers. And it was free for me!
Rivian has said specifically they have installed dozens of chargers along their Route, also they did some portions of the trip by bus, plane or boat
The chargers Rivian installed were an awesome surprise when we found out about it. Unfortunately, at the time of this release we didn't know much of that info. I am glad to say, the team was very open about the issues they had with the bike all the way through. Fun series even with some of the let downs.
Ya that makes it boring.
@@BeGoneForGood found a few already, longwayup isnt a fraud mate! its just you americans that belive you are the hot stuff and noone is better! surprise surprise that isnt true!
@@ivo6308 I don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. Maybe next time, lay off the coffee just a touch before hammering on the keyboard.
I think Patagonia and other countries in South America are 220v standard, not 110v like here in the US. So charging a battery would take a while, but it's not trickle charging.
Yeh...the charging cycles are different from what I was expecting but still longer than I think would be tolerable. Hopefully things continue to get better.
ABC, always be charging. Stopping for lunch they would get some charge, maybe not a full charge but some charge is better than no charge.
Very true but Harley has said that it takes a full night to get a charge on the bike from a wall charger. If they are getting any decent charge at lunch, it isn't from a standard wall charger.
In Boliwia? Hehehe
I heard a rumour that they never even did the trip. Same for Long Way Round. It's mainly CGI as Ewan had filming commitments for a new Elvis film. The main reason for the support truck was for the extension cable - total fraudulent in my view. And Long Way Round - fancy filming and making an international best selling / award winning documentary with camera men, equipment and insurance etc. I heard they even had a truck to put the camera men in. Total fraud. I would have made an internationally best selling documentary and book myself - but without a camera or even a book. I just didn't. I heard that Ewan said he was going to ride the electric bike one handed and not charge it up at all - well, we'll see about that - he's just a show off anyway. I'm one of their biggest fans, but even I'm now starting to think that they kept putting petrol in the bikes in Long Way Round - I'm disgusted. They were the reason why I bought a BMW Rallye Suit - but now I feel robbed. I'm gutted but thank you for revealing all this. It's thanks to people like you that we finally get to the truth about the virus. Thoughts and Prayers. xx
Billy!! SHHHHHH!!!!! You're not suppose to tell them! Anyways, in your disgruntled state - is that Rallye Suit for sale???
Mr. Biketruck, I am well aware of who you are and your proximity to both Ewan and Charley so I am a little mystified that you chose this opportunity to sarcastically blast a fan rather than setting the record straight with information about what is going on with this series. Knowing that the first series was put out three months after completion with the second coming out just two months after completion, we are now more than six months removed from completion of this trip with ZERO word about upcoming release.
It is funny how quickly you jumped all over the real concerns people had about this series and how it was/is going to be handled. I will admit that these guys have had to deal with super high expectations for follow up series sequels because of how amped the fans are (something Ewan already knows well stepping into the Star Wars franchise) but the PR side of this excursion has been awful. With channels like Itchy Boots putting out daily content and keeping in touch with fans the whole way, these guys have much higher marks to hit this time around if they are looking to capture similar audiences to the previous runs.
I am still hopeful for how this turns out and how the duo handles the new route and the new, relatively untested, tech because I am a HUGE fan. It was a great thrill to see your name show up on my little channel and I get why you would be protective of your friends. If I could break it down simply, the fans are just super excited to see what is going to happen with this third installment and the delays are causing some anxiety.
Thank you very much for checking out the vid and leaving feedback. I look forward to being wrong about all these concerns I have for the forthcoming premiere.
clickbait
I’ve answered this before and I’ll do it again. The video discusses exactly what the title says it discusses. That isn’t click bait. If it had this title and thumbnail and was a recipe for chicken wings THAT would be click bait. Just a friendly little lesson from your crew at BGFG.
AGREE NO ONE would do that traveling with electric, but those guys are cool soooooooooooo I'll watch anyway :) but when I'm ready---> will do on a adventure
I agree. I am pretty sure I am such a huge fan, I would watch them just talk about bikes. The new trailer is out for the series and it looks spectacular. I am excited.
You mean he didn't mention EVERY LITTLE DETAIL in a super quick interview? WOW.. bowl me over with surprise..
What he also didn't mention was how he cuts his toe nails, what his father said to his mother 2 days before his conception, if he had ever tried to cut down a tree with a herring and what hair products he uses. HE MUST BE A SCAM.
If the interview was about his pedicuring routine, his father’s poetry, or his lumberjack skills, I’d think those omissions might matter a bit. However, since this was about the trip they made and the electric bikes they rode, I’d expect some talk of the apparatus and support necessary for that endevour. As I recognized in the vid, this was a quick snapshot but it did lend credence to the idea that these guys were going to whitewash the electric bike issues in an effort to push an unreliable bike in more of a commercial than a documentary. That would have been really disappointing.
Luckily, now we have the series coming out so we can see for ourselves how they dealt with exposing the drawbacks of electric riding through areas without the infrastructure for such a ride.
All that being said, I am glad LWU does indeed focus momentarily of Ewan’s toenail regimen.
@@BeGoneForGood seems to me that the interview was just about him in general, and the clip on youtube only shows the one part of the interview. but if you want to fixate on a small part of a small interview again i return to my previous comment referencing that he can't talk about every detail about a whole series of show.. if you want to know every little detail about the whole show, watch the whole show, watch the making of the show, watch the director's commentary about the show, or better yet, go back in time and be a staff member, to see the stuff they don't 'really' tell you.. Or you can just accept you can't be told everything in a 3 minute clip
@@ColinRichardson Fair enough. I think the question asked was more than enough room for Ewan to talk about the support necessary to run the route but maybe he just didn't mention it at that time. We can see now for ourselves, with the release, exactly what the final episodes will look like.
For the 1st go, challenges are expected. Its like 1st to go on petrol, when there were no gas stations. Why the hate?
I don't know if I would call it hate as much as disappointment. These guys were a big driving force for many of us to jump into ADV and the choices made on this installment kind of left us wanting. It seems like a blending of goals and one of those goals was showcasing electric instead of the adventure. Not bad but just different than what many fans wanted.
@@BeGoneForGood gotcha. I watched in reverse order. The 1st two def were more adventure. But i commend them for trying electric.
Definitely, I think the electric choice changed things a bit but I was still looking forward to the experience. I am glad they remained honest about the difficulties and limitations but it seemed to lose a lot of life also. It is a shame because the first two were so good.
Maybe I missed part of it. But where exactly does “Ewan mcgregor speak out”! All I heard was this guy waffling away about something he knows little about and just speculates and of cours loves the sound of his own voice.
The attached link, which is from a network television show, is where you can hear Ewan talking about the show. The “waffling” is an answer to all the detractors that were in a huff about HD coming on board for the third series and the electric element of the trip. I hope that cleared everything up.
Check out Arkady Fiedler who drove a 2016 30kWh Nissan Leaf from Cape Town to Poland. Have you ever driven an EV or e-bike? It teaches you not to drive wastefully. The expected ranges that are advertised can often be doubled, as many videos prove. And the upside of driving clever means the battery is not overheating when you stop to charge, so the charge rate is higher, and because your mileage per kWh is also higher you're getting more miles back in.
We have 2013 Leafs which are probably one of the least efficient EV's out there. A friend gets 6.5km/kWh average, yet when I drive it, I can easily get over 9, which includes a few sprints at the traffic lights.
I'm not saying they didn't tell the whole truth, I'm just saying Harley Davidson did good with their first electric bike, and no matter what the mainstream media says.
This is what people are starting to want and those that have it, will sell it.
Great Channel, thanks
Thank you so much for the feedback and the added knowledge of the EV community. I don't know what the actual mileage for the bikes was compared to the theoretical but I didn't get the impression that HD was underselling their capability. It seemed like they actually ran into the opposite problem pretty often because of the cold, or going to fast, or hitting rough terrain. I imagine there will be a market one day for vehicles like this but between the lacking current offerings and the scarcity of "recharge" options, I could see that tipping point still being a ways off.
In 2010 the 2-seat all-electric SRZero built by Imperial College(London) EV "Racing Green" radicals far exceeded what Ewan et al have attempted ten years later: in 2010 they drove 16,000 miles from Alaska to the southernmost tip of Argentina down the Pan American Highway - and BBC World filmed the whole thing - it became one of the most popular, widely-viewed docu-series they ever broadcast.
The SRZero averaged over 260 miles per charge - ten years ago ! Oh - and they were powered by Chinese "ThunderSky" li-ion batteries. The S. American segment is still fully viewable on UA-cam(links below). A full detailed written travelogue of the entire trip is also available here:
www.racinggreenendurance.com/blog/?tag=srzero
BBC World - the 6-episode SRZero S.American leg:
ua-cam.com/video/-nt6ZvO8O-Q/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/X45Dlz6VQq4/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/bwiB5-J7WKQ/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/yO-MiGqMLoU/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/xkD68URe4Wk/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/XhZIK1Kxv6A/v-deo.html
They also drove the SRZero 290 miles from London to Paris - in 2010 - on a single charge before heading off to Alaska for the main 26,000 mile EV endurance trip - video:
ua-cam.com/video/pbvB-lT8m7E/v-deo.html
....furthermore(!) they got there with 14% charge remaining
Paul G
I had never heard about that previous project but that is a pretty solid test of the tech. It will be interesting to see where the moto side of things is ten years from now.
What's the name of the song?
You mean the one blaring in the background of the entire vid? Sadly I don’t know. ;-)
Be Gone For Good talks about Ewan and Charley with no participation from them in the actual video. I think the title can be a little misleading.
Do you feel like I was misrepresenting what Ewan said in the interview or do you absolutely have to hear his voice to qualify as him “speaking out”?
The input was from the interview and it was an answer to the speculation surrounding the project at the time. I guess I’m curious what feels click bait about that set up?
@@BeGoneForGood The first thing that got my attention was the word 'SCAM' on the thumbnail. The second thing was the header stating "Ewan McGregor finally speaks out" so by then I was very interested to watch the video and see what Ewan actually said. I assumed you had filmed an interview with him from the info given. I apologize if I have annoyed or offended you as that was not my intention, but "Ewan McGregor Finally Speaks Out" gave me the impression I would be at least hearing him do it, if not seeing it. I do not feel that you repeating what Ewan said misrepresented him in any way.
Best wishes.
P.S. I have altered my original comment to what I think is fair after reading your reply.
No offense taken at all. I just like to understand where the disconnect is on stuff like this. I appreciate your feedback and I apologize for not hitting your expectations on the title. As it stands I will see what I can learn to improve in the future but this title will stand as I simply disagree with your assessment. It was good to know how you felt though.
They could have gone the logical route and chose Teslas and Zeros which would have enabled them to complete the trip with no fuss. Instead they chose a prototype Rivian and a Prototype HD and had constant issues, often ran out of charge and had charging problems . let's not forget they required support vehicles with diesel generators to charge their bikes on occasions. It was nothing but a huge paid add for Rivian and HD. No logical person would have chosen those particular electric vehicles for that trip. Good adventure though!
It was a bit of a disappointment but mostly because I think they just tried to do too many different things. The first two series were all about the adventure. This time they also included the electric bike aspect and all the follow vehicles. Focus on any one of those aspects and it would be good.
does it really matter how they charged the bikes? isnt it about the adventure, so what if they carried charge u cant have zero back up...
I don't mind the support or that they charged the bikes broadly. The concern I had at this time, given this interview, is that they wouldn't be forthright about those support measures in an effort to make HD look as good as possible. I am glad to say that my faith in the guys was accurate as they did a good job of highlighting the difficulties of traveling like this. I have different issues with the focus of the show but as far as the support, they did a good job of explaining their specific uses.
Lapel mike will take your production to the next level
I appreciate the feedback. I have gone with and without in various vids. This one wasn't a great example but I will be looking to improve the audio significantly in each one.
You are naive that’s for sure if you don’t think they were supported to the gills. The thing that is pretty lame though is how they talk about how they wanted to do this to lower their carbon footprint but their footprint must have been much bigger because of all the support and resources it took to take this trip on and electric bike.
I expected similar support to the previous two but my worry was whether they would be honest about the extra support needed for the electric element. I was glad to see they remained true to the brand and were very open about their struggles with the electric bikes.
Anyone tell this guy it's a television show for entertainment purposes, not a competition sport. 🤔
No one mentioned it but I was certainly very curious how this series was going to go down. Now, luckily, we will find out tomorrow.
Oh and EVERYTHING is a competition sport. ;-)
If their's no one to beat you're just beating yourself. 😊
Also so you know it is a commercial for UNICEF like all their treks have been. Welcome to the show.
My biggest worry was that they were going to soft peddle the conditions needed to run this route with electric bikes. Judging by some of the early reviews, that isn’t the case. All the questions should be answered with the first three episodes tomorrow, and I am very much looking forward to it.
The hate on this video aged hard. Honestly the entire thing is kinda dumb. The entire series so far is [charge.mp4], and there are so many gas powered support vehicles they may as well be making a larger carbon footprint than before. If they were going to do the whole electric thing, they should have saved it for a trip that was not cold. The beginning is so cold, it just straight up kills the bikes. Not smart. I feel the idea would work better if they did a roadtrip across the United States or something as a special edition on electric. As it would be safer and more practical. And possibly even promote electric bikes. But the nightmare that is the first leg of the trip really convinces the exact opposite.
I don't know if you meant the hate ON the video or the hate FOR the video. It was certainly not my intention to sound hateful in any way. I am a huge fan of this crew and my worry is that they would spoil a ton of goodwill from the previous series if they weren't very honest about their experience on the electric bikes to make HD look good. I am have been pleased to see they don't appear concerned with that aspect and have been exceedingly candid about their problems and issues with the new tech. It has been a great journey and I think instructive to see where the holes exist for electric infrastructure and the future of electric vehicles at large.
the background music makes it impossible for me to watch, sorry.
No worries. I didn't nail the mix on this one FOR SURE but hopefully some of my more current videos are a little better.
First time watcher of one of your videos. And I just watched the first episode of long way up. It will be very disappointing to find out they cheated the trip.
Thank you so much for finding us and taking the time to watch. It all sort of depends on what you consider “cheating the trip” to be. There are definitely some reasonable complaints about the way they handled the trip but I was pleasantly surprised at most of the series given some of my early concerns. Good luck with the rest of the watching and we’d love to know what you think at the end.
It won't be long where range won't be a problem.
I hope you're right but I am trying to figure out when this bike becomes a competitor for the ADV segment.
No chance they kept true to the tradition of adventure motorcycling and all that stuff you mentioned. Long way round was the same - support vehicles and reality TV. Check out Mondo Enduro if you haven't for a true to life round the world adventure.
I love that channel but I disagree with you a bit on your take on the previous series. I think it is still an adventure but just a different way to do it. I am okay with their support and how they choose to do their routes but I just want them to be honest about it. I got the initial impression with the LWU series that they were trying to hide the limitations of the electric bikes. From people that have prescreened the first three episodes, my worries were unfounded. I am really looking forward to seeing what the show looks like on September 18th. Thank you so much for watching and leaving feedback.
I agree, loved the first two but yeah this is ridiculous.
Not sure I care what you think about the series. And not sure why you’re trying to debug the series. Find something better to do.
I’m not sure that spending time leaving feedback is the greatest example of “not caring” but I’m okay with it.
I don’t know what debugging the series means.
If there was ANYTHING better to do I’d be there but this is just too much fun.
I am truly with u. I love these guys and there shows. I also just wanna believe it. But i think its really difficult to go an electric Bikes. But all smells like "money". harley and their idea of "electric Bikes" and going through rough conditions. and the connection to apple TV. But i think their bikes were modified.
There bikes were significantly modified which only led to even more speculation about the motives here. I am glad to see they were very honest about the issues with the electric bikes but I do wish they had gone a different route.
You obviously didn't watch the video series.
You are completely wrong about everything you said and apparently think.
This video was created eight months before the series premiered. The speculation around the trip was rampant at the time and I am glad the guys were honest about just how much support was needed for the trip because it was clear before and after this wouldn’t have been possible otherwise.
dude I am argentinian, what do you think we are?. we have a standard electric grid just like you have. do you even know patagonia or argentina to compare it to bolivia or central america?. dude read a little more.
The issues with charging were well recorded before the trip and even during the series itself. The numbers of available charging areas were also recorded long before I made the video and the comparisons are eminently clear. I’ve read and was well aware of the disparities before I made the video and will continue to stand by the assertions and will use the series itself as proof positive.
11 minutes of a guy speculating about a trip that no one has seen yet. At least you could have waited to see what they did before jumping into criticism disguised as analysis and without real fundaments
Yeh totally true but I might be right too.
@@BeGoneForGood sorry you are not they did not swap the bikes they did plug in peoples houses they did build a grid so you said a lot a shit that was just that shit
@@guillermon5152 They didn't swap bikes? They charged out of people's houses? Hmmm...maybe you watched different series than I did but both of those things certainly didn't occur as you stated. It is good to know that Ewan and Charley have some solid minions though. Good luck to you both.
Oh and I am a Marine...vomiting shit is like going home for me.
Be Gone For Good maybe you were not paying attention but Guillermo is correct. They did charge at houses and hotels when they could get to a rivian charging point. Did you forget they charged at weird hotel near the beginning of their trip which caused the electricity to go out? Or that time they went to what they thought was an electronics store and it was actually just someone’s house that was nice enough to let them charge?
@@emilyrico9451 I absolutely saw it but to believe that ALL of their charges were out of people's houses is just patently false. The support they brought with them and the Rivian chargers installed along the route are the ONLY way they were able to accomplish this mission in the time allotted. The point of the video, way back when, was to hope that the boys were better than all the naysayers and would be clear about all the support they used for the trip. So far it appears they have done a good job of showing the issues they've had "charging in people's homes" and how they supplemented a lot of this trip with support not available to most other travelers. That is all I am saying.
Lose the 90s sitcom music and maybe include some still shots of the bikes, characters, or whatever you're describing.
Unfortunately, the music is what it is but we have done a much better job for more recent vids of toning down the sound. At the time of this video, there was almost NO press or pictures of the adventure which made it super hard to include anything from the team. Now we can see a lot more since they released the opening episodes.
I thought I was going to watch a video of Ewan talking about the Long Way Up series, NOT some guy babbling on about it. The title is COMPLETELY misleading!!!! Waste of my time.
Sorry for the waste but if you check the description you can see the video I was referencing. Copyright laws prevent me from showing the actual clip.
Scam? What? Like his light sabre wasn't real either? It's an entertainment show that you haven't even saw yet. Would you like them to break down like they might in "real life" without a crew? Would that mate you happy ffs. Can't see any point whatsoever in this totally shit video. Unsubscribed.
As I do my best to put together an answer for every comment, I struggled a little with yours and how to react. I was going to go for humor or start a fight but both would seem a little inauthentic or dismissive so instead, I am going to aim for explanatory. Now I know you didn't ask and likely don't much care but I thought I owed it to you nonetheless so here goes.
I understand that "scam" was probably too strongly worded for this series and honestly, it isn't really what I thought but rather what I had heard from many others from my other vids about this subject. I dearly loved the previous two Long Way iterations and didn't think there was likely going to be much change for this one. I was all in on the electric bike twist and liked the idea of seeing the boys deal with new and emerging complications. Perhaps I am naive to think what we saw from the first two was more than entertainment but was closer to documentary. I just hope they maintain that balance, whatever it was from the beginnings.
When I first saw the interview with Ewan it seemed like he was being less than genuine with his answers about traveling through SA and CA with electric bikes. Now some of that might be based on my hope for concentrating on that part of the trip and I would be lying if I wasn't a little guarded based on all the feedback from others about this being an HD commercial. It probably also didn't help that this was a tiny interview clip on a show not dedicated to the ins and outs of motorcycle travel. Perhaps Ewan was just telling the fun stories and not the nitty gritty of the trip adversities. It was likely a rush judgement but hell, that is what entertainment is all about right? Now I get to be pleasantly surprised when all of it turns out to be nothing.
I don't mind the crew and support but, like the did in the first two, I'd just like them to be candid about that process. They probably will be but this first tiny, incomplete interview made me question otherwise. I really just wanted to see if others felt the same way or if I was crazy. Crazy seems to be the trending assessment. ;-)
Okay lastly, I appreciate the sub from way back and I am sorry to see you go. This is the first unsubscribes I saw in real time when I bounced from 1,804 to 1,803. Maybe somewhere down the line, when all my LWU jitters are accounted for, I can earn you back with something else but either way I appreciate your feedback. I do take issue with the "total shit" video part...did you hear that bumper music? That was, at least, pretty solid right? ;-) Thanks again and I am intentionally denying your light saber wasn't real claim to keep the dream alive.
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When they started in Patagonia, it was very cold, charging was slow and endurance low. It was not flattering to either Rivian or Harley. They found that charging indoors helped tremendously. As of now, Rivian developed a piggyback charger from truck to bike that takes 2 hours.
This video was premature. Say what you will, but the doc is an adventure. Charlie is in rough shape to start. I couldn’t do it *without* broken legs. It’s a dramatic documentary, true. It’s not really technical. They are actors, but you can sense the rapport and love between these guys. They won’t be able to do another of these as they will be too old. I’m loving this.
You are right. This video was premature but that was all we had at the time so I put forward my thoughts because it was interesting to me to see the discord between the pro and anti Long Way folks. I never had any issue with the electric bike or the support necessary to run this route with the untested tech. My issue was with the appearance of dishonesty about that support in what seemed to be an effort to cover the LiveWire and its limitations. I am glad to say, my worries seem unfounded at this point. They have been very candid about the problems they ran into and it seems like a big step forward in understanding for this type of riding in the future.
I hadn't heard about the Rivian upgrades but that is encouraging to see them make advancements based on lessons learned.
@@BeGoneForGood Yeah, great that you owned up to being premature but, your title is misleading...you’re banking on people clicking to see an interview with Ewan admitting certain things...but he’s nowhere to be seen or heard in your video...you should rename you video, just click bait. Put up an honest title “my opinion on....” You’re being just as deceptive with your description of the video so you are just as bad as they are by your logic and concern about honesty.....
@@TheNo1kissfan I don't know why you would think it is click bait to say Ewan speaks out about the show when in fact Ewan spoke about the show and I was commenting on that discussion. That seems WILDLY accurate to me. I can't of course play the interview (because of copyright strikes) but I do link to it so you can see it. "My opinion on..." doesn't need to be added because that is true of EVERY video on UA-cam for all subject matter across the board.
Hope they do another series. The best escapism tv. Agree big part of the adventure is the rapport between Ewan and Charlie.
Too old?
My Dad got back on a bike after 40+ years at 68 and rode until he was 72 - he's decided to knock it on the head now, but enjoyed lots of days out for a few years.
Is there a follow up video to talk about how wrong you got it ?
There is a follow up video coming but it won’t be talking about how I got it wrong because all I was doing here is answering the critics. I maintain my faith in the team while being critical of some of their methods. I’m glad you’re as excited as I am to see the next installment. Stay tuned.
@@BeGoneForGood Oh come on dude, you knew exactly what you were doing when you texted this qɯnp ƃuıʞɔnɟ clickbait crɐp. Don't try to ʞɔnɟ with us, man.
You are completely correct. I knew exactly what I was doing, which was answering the critics who were saying all of this stuff about the trip from the minute the partnership with HD was announced. I disagreed with the masses at that time but when I saw the interview I talked about in this video, I wondered if they might be right. This video discusses my hopes for the series and my worries that the naysayers were correct. Nothing about the title or the thumbnail is different from the subject matter of the vid...so yes, I knew what I was doing. I am glad you seemed to have noticed.
Awesome text play by the way.
@@spitfire18 his credibility is shot proven by the comments here. But he doesn't care - its all about the number of views and clickbait. you're right. he knows exactly what he's doing (and so do we).
@@BeGoneForGood Dude you blew it. This video sucks
Hey so maybe just wait until it's out before judging what you learned in a 3 minute snippet of an interview.
Totally. I completely agree with you and I am going to reserve judgement until I see it all the way through. It just struck as strange how he described the trip without bringing up what I would think would be an integral part of that discussion. My hope is that they deal with all of it during the actual show and I KNOW I will be watching intently. ;-)
I watched the first few episodes of the first series because of the bikes.. but came to enjoy Ewan & Charlie, the dynamic of friendships, scenery and culture. It’s still TV so try not to over think it. The real experience is in the doing not the watching.
A bit click-baitey, mate. Ewan McGregor didn't actually speak to you. Riiiiight....
I don't know that I said anything about Ewan speaking to me but he did talk about the trip and the support. I was simply commenting on that conversation. The funny thing is, this title is supposed to be the clearer one after I changed the original. I guess I just can't get it right. ;-)
You know, it's a TV show, they show a dozen hours of what was hundreds and hundreds of hours of a trip. I certainly believe this was a big ad for Harley Davidson, it was the worst bike they could use for trip like that...and I'm all pro-electric. That show is probably as "real" as Top Gear.
It is going to be interesting to see how much of the difficulties they show. I hope it doesn't turn too much into an ad for HD.
This is clickbait
I’m curious what you think is the click bait here? Is the title and the content of the video different or in some way misrepresented?
It's clickbait from an idiot for idiots.
The 'green new deal' only puts money into the pockets of those pushing it. It's all a scam! Why buy a bike that goes
146 +/- miles, then you have to recharge it for 8 hrs, when you can buy a gas bike, spend a few bucks and 2 minutes to refuel, then be on your way again for another 150 + miles? I'll stick to gasoline engines when it comes to transportation. Batteries might be great for powering a home with solar panels, but when traveling? Not so much.
I agree with you that this bike doesn't, seemingly, make much sense for this type of trip. I could see it being useful as a commuter but as an ADV option it is wanting.
@ 5:15 No experienced traveler does 400-600 miles/day. You won't see anything other than road signs. If you take travel seriously, you're more likely to ride 200 miles per day and ride 3 days/week with four days of that being used to soak up the culture, visit sites and get your pictures/videos, etc. 600 miles/day is for long haul truckers, not tourists.
With that being said, I watched both LWR and LWD and wasn't impressed with either. Both were pretty contrived.
That is funny because as an "experienced traveler" I did mileage like that for a couple of weeks with a few breaks but I guess that is sort of irrelevant because it is about THIS trip specifically. They had roughly 10,013 miles to cover over 86 days of travel. That comes out to 116.43 miles per/day without counting the trip across/around the Darien Gap and without any stopping to soak up culture or rest or repairs of filming. With bikes that HD themselves say only make 146-95 miles, that means there could very easily be some room for issues between the "story" and the reality. I just hope what we get is the reality.
You sound like a purist. Ask yourself, would you rather a world where LWR and LWD didn't exist at all? I'd say no for the first and I don't care for the second. The first one had a certain charm and really did convey the joy of adventure riding. The second one seemed very contrived.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 I thought LWD was better than LWR. Contrived? They flew Ted Simon to that flea market in Mongolia just so they could "bump" into him. LWD and LWR are Orange County Choppers version of travel...complete with drama and deadlines.
Want to see an actual adventure? Watch 'Mondo Enduro' or 'Terra Circa'. Watch 'Riding solo at the top of the world' or 'One crazy ride'. Read the Book 'Mondo Enduro'. Watch these and you'll wonder how LWR/LWD stuck to the screen. Once you know the difference, you'll see the difference.
@@BeGoneForGood that's 146-195 in perfect conditions. Meaning those numbers are affected by everything including steep road grades, speed of travel, windy conditions, road conditions, temperature, road type, vehicle weight, rider weight, etc etc. If they were riding unloaded across Texas on flat, dry, and warm pavement with no headwind then yes 150-195 miles per charge would be achievable but they weren't.
I’ve enjoyed every series with Ewan and Charley but come on. They have incredible sponsorships and support equipment at all times so this isn’t raw adventure. Doesn’t change my desire to watch and enjoy though. Everybody sells out eventually.
I really hope that isn't true otherwise we are going to have tough days ahead of us with Itchy Boots, Sterling Noren and others...
Let it be known now though, I would gladly sell out if anyone out there is willing to pay. ;-)
Even if they cheated a little on their description of the greatness of the electric motorcycle, that doesn’t change the fact the the trip would’ve been challenging and a great ride.
I was glad to see them being really honest about how much support was needed to take the electric bikes on this trip. That was one of my main worries. Now that I have seen the series I am disappointed that they spent so much time on the bikes and not the trip itself. They could have done a much better job but I hope for other options in the future.
Obviously you never watched “The Long Way Up” before posting this uninformed video. Rivian spent time and money to install chargers along the route and both Ewen and Charlie lamented throughout the show about the hassles of charging those electric Haley Davidson bikes. Seems like you have a hidden or possibly uninformed opinion. Watch the show.
You’ll notice this video was released eight months or so before the release of the series when the speculation about the motives behind the HD partnership and the choice of an electric bike were at an all time high. This is an answer to a lot of those conversations people were having and if you’d watched the entire video you’ll see the show did exactly what I expected. It answered the difficult questions about the limitations of the tech right now. It talked about what sort of support was necessary to make this trip possible. In all, I am very proud of this video which hit on the main points of contention and accurately stated the likelihood of the end result as the series was released. Maybe if you’d had less of an agenda yourself, you would have noticed that.
With few chargers in South America of course they had to have support charging along the way.
People bagging EV's as impractical have a point but the first "horseless carriages" suffered from the same problems at the start. The range and charging speeds have improved over the years and will continue to improve. Already as commuter vehicles they are really good.
I agree, as a commuter vehicle, electric and more specifically electric motorcycles are pretty solid. I just don't know that there would EVER be a time where I trust it into the backcountry. For that ICE seems the clear winner.
64 COMMENTS AND 35 DISLIKES SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING ?????
I’m not great at cryptic messages. Maybe you should spell it out for me, what should it tell me?
@@BeGoneForGood Is this cryptic "Be gone for good " goodbye . stop vlogs if you dont like comments ....
I love the comments. I just didn’t know what you were trying to say. It’s good to know though that my channel name fits so well into gently covert dismissals.
@@BeGoneForGood at last !!!!!!!!
I don’t mean to beat a dead horse but this is just the sort of thing I was mentioning...”at last” doesn’t really make any sense so again...I’m confused.
Oh and just so you know...your caps lock keeps getting stuck on.
Lmao this series showed why gas still rules the day!
I wouldn't say its a scam but the program is heavily scripted definitely. Every episode there is a rush to the port or airport and theyre never going to make it but always do. They add a lot of voice over for effect and you hear them say things that clearly arent coming out of their mouth. When there was an accident, it was always assumed as the worst possible outcome. When the crew flipped their car in the Long Way Round on apparent flat ground, I kinda lost the sense that the program was genuine and now I literally dont believe a word that comes out of their mouth because of it. I still really like the series and always will. But Ewan and Charlie really try to make it dramatic as possible and I really dont think it is. Amazing how Ewan adopted his daughter from Mongolia, its the only bit of the entire series I think is genuine.
You need to listen to their interviews. At 2:00.Yes they said that when they stop and eat, they plug in where ever & when ever they can. Not just at night! With over 11'500 views and only 99 likes. Not good!
I’m not searching for likes. I’m taking a stance on a subject and sometimes that is unpopular. Plugging in wherever they are isn’t enough to charge the bikes afternoon riding. The only way these bikes get a full charge is overnight with standard or an hour or so on quick chargers. With the quick chargers that is easy but if they were/are going to go with “we just used local plug ins” then they are full of it.
Luckily, from folks that have seen the first three episodes, they are very upfront about their charging regimen.
@@BeGoneForGood I think your missing the point here. This is all new. But first and foremost ....IT'S AN ADVENTURE!.. It is 100% new for motor bikes and no knows where it will go from here. Both the good and the bad are all aired for everyone to see and hear. Harley themselves said they are looking forward to all of the comments the 2 of them make along the way on their journey, so that they can readdress them later. This is very brave of HD to invest in this and for it to be out their for all to see. It doesn't matter if you don't do this for any thumbs up (just as well). But by having more thumbs down than up, shows that most people don't really care what you have to say. And in the end more and more people give you thumbs down don't what to see you channel. Then whats the point?
I’m not missing the point at all. I want this to be a real look at this adventure but when Ewan states that they plugged in where they could and doesn’t mention (at least in this tiny interview) about their reliance on support vehicles and quick chargers then I wonder how much truth we’re getting. If they went about this as a commercial instead of a fact finding mission that will show pros AND cons then I would lose a lot of respect for the pair.
Luckily, based off the early viewers, that isn’t the case at all and they were very honest about their unique circumstances. I applaud them for that and it was sort of what I expected all along. This single interview gave me pause but I had faith.
Lastly, thumbs up, thumbs down...it’s all part of the feedback loop. One of my most popular vids is about 50/50 so I am okay with being controversial. What I’m not okay with is lying about what I think so people I’ll like me. As you stated, what’s the point in that?
This dude is a hater. He’s bent out of shape over all the wrong details. And turn your background music down you don’t know how to produce a video.
Certainly not a hater as you can see from the vid but you are right about my lack of production capability. My sound mix is ALL off but I’ve gotten better over the last couple of years.
I am curious if you believe the forthright nature of the series is an important detail when dealing with new tech and a MASSIVE new sponsor. I absolutely thought that was worthwhile.
you spent 10 mins trying to question the 2 mins Ewan briefly spoke about their latest installment of the Long Way series. Perhaps they are saving it to be revealed on the show that the bikes suck? and that in order to keep with their schedule they had to rely on the backup they planned for. take it easy and wait for the show to air.
Oh man...that would be pretty wild if they went the opposite way from my worries and just TRASHED the bikes the whole way. Hilarious. That would be quite a surprise. I know I am kind of jumping the gun, especially with such a short snippet to work with, but I am so excited to see what this trip looks like. If they had done it on the old GS bikes, I would be looking forward to it but in that "nothing new to see here" kind of way. With the electric bikes this just gets SO much more interesting. My excitement and hope that they stay true to the Long Way brand is obviously bleeding through.
I really appreciate you talking me down a bit because without a release date yet, I couldn't keep this up indefinitely. When that date gets announced though, I will be right back here chomping on my fingernails. ;-)
@@BeGoneForGood I join this discussion late and I'm only just starting to watch the show a year later. I wish I could have made this comment a year ago: don't forget that during the first tour Claudio's bike fell apart in Mongolia with the BMWs not getting the best PR and Claudio having a much easier trip on his $ 200 bike that he was using for the duration of the repairs. In both in Italy and Mongolia Ewan and Charlie questioned the bikes, e.g. in Italy they commented on how uncomfortable the bikes were.
It would be possible in Chile.... even Argentina. But no way in Bivia or other dream lands. It was just marketing bullshit.
I thought so too but the series has been pretty great and seemingly honest about the issues with the tech and a trip like this.
The "Long Way Up" series was produced as a entertainment series. Think of this as another "reality" TV series. It is made to appear realistic, but there is way more happening behind the scenes. Don't think too much beyond that. Enjoy the series for the beautiful bikes, gorgeous scenery, and friendship.
I agree. 👏👍
“Adventure” riding! 🤣🤣🤣. Did they have a chef and massage therapist also?!!
McGregor isn't a Hollywood Diva.
This is clickbait. The video is just a guy rambling about the show and doesn’t say anything about it being a scam
I think maybe you didn’t watch it quite well enough because I talk fairly explicitly about the timeline they ran, and that it could NOT be done by standard charging at homes.
That would be the scam if, again as stated in the video over and over, they weren’t open and honest about the myriad support options they had along the way.
Maybe a cursory review is in order because you may have missed some of the more salient points.
Backgroundmusic is so annoying. What do you want to achieve with it?
It was just meant to underlay the speech but, sadly, I can't change it now. We have learned to do a much better job with our current vids now.
Sorry but without even seeing the interview yet, it was clear to me from the word electric that this was a virtue signalling sell out performance from the word go. When I heard Harley Davidson was involved I was SURE of it. I'm not a big fan of "Man-Made" climate change fearmongering, and although I am excited at new cleaner sources of energy, I do not consider electric propulsion particularly efficient once you dive into the manufacturing and the need for electric power usually made by burning fuel. Get rid of the middleman, go light, and run a gas-powered adventure bike. The environment will thank you. Gas is much more environmentally friendly at this time, and so sorry, electric adventure bikes are a poor choice for a trip like this, so other than the entertainment value which I am hopeful for, it is a sell-out and virtue signalling at it's worse, OR just complete ignorance, but I credit Charlie and Ewan with more intelligence, so I am gonna give them the benefit of the doubt, and accuse them of being used for money. This was a sell-out of common sense from the word go, and I assume fake as hell, although I haven't watched yet, but really if you need to ride that route, DON'T use any kind of electric powered bike. You are just creating problems, and you are NOT helping the environment. BTW CO2 is not a toxic gas, it is the noble gas of life, and for over 90% of the history of life on this planet, it was about 4 to 6 times higher than it is right now without melting anything, and the fauna and flora of the earth was happier for it. You don't need failed models when you have history. Databyter
I don't have the background or expertise to get too deep into your post but I really appreciate your take on the journey. I didn't really think of the electric bike thing as a sell out because I think Ewan is certainly a true believer and wasn't just doing this for the show. It may not be a great choice for the type of adventure they chose but for me, that makes it interesting. They could have chosen to just ride around the States which could have supported this type of bike over those distances pretty easily. The fact that they chose to go in over the top of what this bike is capable of and really find the breaking points, is a HUGE selling point for the series to me. I have been encouraged with how open they have been all the way through about the bike's limitations. It seemed less like a commercial and more like a fact finding mission which is obviously more fun for the viewer.
This type of trip on this type of bike probably won't be possible for the "regular guys" for another ten years or so which is why I think their adoption of this tech is instructive for the rest of us. It gives a great indication of where this technology needs to grow before it is broadly accessible. Maybe it is bad tech and won't be the future but right now, this gives us places to grow.
@@BeGoneForGood I have seen the first few episodes so far, out of curiousity since I really liked their other adventures, and I must say, they didn't sugar coat it much. They showed the flatbed with the Diesel generator having to be towed along with the trip. They showed that even most household energy grids do not have sufficient amperage capacity to charge these machines. I still say that it is a bad choice of machine for the task and that a gasoline powered motor is actually more efficient AND environmentally friendly. But I have more appreciation for the pioneering adventure after having watched it. And it is entertaining. My main argument is over the falicy and politics of ManMade Global Warming Theory itself. I applaud any exploration of new technology as a nerd. I just hate the fact that people are being told the sky is falling when it is not, because they are being sold a lie to give manipulative and evil people power to control and destroy economies. Databyter
There is always a way to get something done. The adventure with electric is trying to get there on a battery where for us the adventure is the journey, not having to worry much about the bike.
I would consider it for around town but I just don't ride around town. Cross country, absolutely not interested.
It's silent because all their batteries are dead. I don't think it's a scam. Just not practical on any electric bike.
If you have support vehicles I would think that battery swaps would be the way to go. Someone needs to be hauling a generator. The Ford truck could supply all the DC they could use with a DC generator installed.
You mention the silence but I forgot to mention the release schedules for the first two trips. LWR was released in 3 months after completion, LWD in 2 months. I would suspect, if LWU was going to be released at 2 months or 3 months, we should have an announcement any day now. Maybe I don't understand the marketing plan but getting info out seems like a good choice. Or maybe I just want to hear more. ;-)
I don't have an issue at all with the support or measures they needed to make the trip happen. I just hope we get to see all that extra stuff so it doesn't seem like they are "faking" an all electric trip through SA and CA. I want to see the adventure and not a commercial. That is what they gave us before and I hope to see the same this time as well.
Imagine the adventures we will be able to do when the technology matures or when it will be possible to get 1000 miles from a single charge. Adventure riding will be unstoppable!
Adventure ?
Having fleet of support vehicles , huge arse diesel Generator, team of people including doctor and mechanic , staying in luxury hotels, massive support from the manufacturers that are paying for tons of stuff ….
All of this to promote electric vehicles .
Don’t get me wrong I love Charlie and Ewan , all the good work they do really nice guys but I have to warn you that the electric future is not Green !!!
If they did the trip like most other adventure riders solo and on petrol powered bikes the environmental impact would have been a microscopic fraction of what they have created with the trip they did .
Shame .
You should do yourself a favor and delete this uninformed video that has an obvious alternative agenda.
It’s not getting deleted for all the reasons I’ve already given you but I’m glad you took the time to leave feedback.
When you watch the actual series, they are very candid about all the problems they had charging the bikes and staying on the road.
Long Way Up was so cringe. Long way round was awesome and epic. Long way down was ok, but too much about Ewans wife and border crossings. This last one was so bad i didnt finish it. The concept was fine but everything was about these stupid bikes and so boring. Ruined a good idea from the green focus crap.
To get attention you have to do something special. Nobody cares about unreliable BMW these days anymore...
I agree and I think they have enough clout in the category to open it up a little. I just hope we get to see those differences play out during the show. It should be fun to watch.
Obviously, it's a reality show. But I refuse to believe that Ewan McGregor and Charlie Booman would risk their fame and prestige by rigging a trip. The trip really happened, but we don't know everything about it. Cheers!
Oh yeh, I was expecting the same thing. The boys wouldn’t let us down but all the hype around it has me nervous. I’m glad to say I think they did a fair job talking about the limitations of the bike. Mexico was disappointing but the electric bike was handled well.
Well I’m sorry but if you actually watched the whole thing then you would understand that it wasn’t about the bikes it was about getting Charley Boorman back on a bike after his horrific accident that nearly killed him. This is why they used the Harley’s as they were lighter and Charley could manage the trip. Yes the electric is a issue but that’s why they had a 3.5 tonne truck following them with a generator on the back of it. I don’t understand people like you that will sit in your armchair and moan about things that you have never done or ever will!!!!!! I spent a year trying to walk after a spinal injury but My friend got me a motorbike and I got back into riding. I travel around Spain and France and this was due to my friends helping me out after my tragic accident. So if you want to sit in your armchair and moan about what’s true and Not you best not watch Eastenders!!!!!!!!
Live your life as we only get one chance to enjoy it and not pick on those who do.
David, I’m glad you battled back and are doing better but if you’ll notice, this video was uploaded 8 months ago. This was long before we had any of the info you are stating here and my speculation was an answer to all the naysayers calling this project a big commercial for HD. I had faith in the crew to do an honest job with everything but a single interview from Ewan got me worried about how much info we were going to get. I’m glad to say they have done a great job so far of being very open about the level of support needed to embark on a trip like this with new tech. There was no moaning but simply recognizing that in an information blackout, like there was after completion of the trip, there will be plenty of rumors flying around. This video was released to address those rumors and their validity.
@@BeGoneForGood many thanks for your response.
I have only got to episode 8 and yet I agree with the most of comments that the music is too loud.
But I understand that everyone has an opinion and yes they could never have done the trip on electric bikes. But it’s something for old broken bikers like me who can look at something to do. Well one year. With the COVID crisis we can only live our lives through the TV.
Thanks and be safe
For sure. It is all about the experience and joy of the ride at ANY age. Thank you for your comment. It is a big help for us.
Still think its set up ? i dont !
I don’t. I didn’t really think it was before either but the naysayers got to me after that Ewan interview. I’m glad they seem to be really honest about the pitfalls of the new electric tech. It’s a solid show and doesn’t feel like a commercial at all. I appreciate their open discussions about their logistics issues all around.
Dude reviewed & critiqued something without seeing it🙄 as someone who loved the first 2 trips immensely.. this jus seems pointless pathetic desperate for content.. what a goon
Definitely goonish but this was all we had going eight months ago, speculation. It still amazes me that with all the tech we have now compared to the previous two series that there was zero info about this journey for almost ten months. That is a significant waste of the interest and capabilities of this community. Either way, the series is finally out and able to be watch so all the guessing is over.
They've admitted they charge from the Rivians. They're a huge rolling battery.
I also agree, lose the crappy music.
It is good to see them being completely forthright about the level of support they needed for this trip. It is exactly what I had expected and it makes it a much more interesting series because of it. Also, there is nothing I can do about the tunes on this one but I have made adjustments for the follow up vids so it should sound better overall in the future.
Jeez man. Call the guy a scammer without even seeing it? C’mon
I am sure you heard all the feedback as these guys chose the bikes and ran through their trip. There were a lot of people calling them sellouts and attacking the project as a scam. This video is an answer to those naysayers and giving my own thoughts on whether the "scam" label is accurate. I wasn't calling it a scam and now seeing the series after being finished I am glad to say our faith in the pairs honesty was well placed.
Why is there so much hate ? I don’t see what’s wrong with the video. Interesting to see your perspective before you got to see the show 👍
I think there is a lot of love for this crew and when it appears someone is bad-mouthing them, the feedback comes quick. I get it. I am a fan too so it makes sense. I do also think that these are reasonable questions to ask as they made some major changes to this round. I am glad to see our faith in their process was solid.
@@BeGoneForGood they still had to use diesel generators along the route and cheat quiet a bit. But I think it made the trip even more interesting a new dynamic while keeping the core elements.
In any case the old BMWs in the old series would break down the whole time anyway so it’s just a new version of that.
Anyway now it’s time to watch the new episode out today 😊 thanks fir the reply you seem like a decent guy ignore the negatives 👍👍
We’re out of charge ... use the Force, Luke 🤣
If only...right? That would have been a really cool trick as the two bikes were dwindling, Ewan just puts his finger on the charger and we watch the bike power right back up as Charley loses charge and stops. Hilarious.
Loved the program. Hopefully you enjoyed the show. Brilliant photography as well.
I liked portions but overall was a little underwhelmed. It seemed like all the hubbub around the electric bike took attention away from the adventure needlessly. Also, the close of the show with the bus and all but bypassing Mexico was a pretty poor ending.
I’d agree though that the shots they did get were incredible. This was certainly a much slicker series than the previous two, which makes sense.
One thing about LWA and LWD (I haven't seen LWU yet) that is important to me is how they explore the culture. Like Bourdain's later stuff, the bikes or food are just an excuse for the exploration. A sort of a SitDoc (Situation documentary) if you will. I've been riding over 50 years, so the bike aspect is indeed important to me, but the overall adventure is the main deal. Sure they had a slew of support. So what? They were making a series...
I don't and never minded the support. I just wanted them to be honest about their support and, right now, they seem to be extremely candid about their issues and problems with the new tech. It isn't the commercial everyone worried about which is significantly encouraging. As far as the culture side of things, I think they have done a great job so far. Some have questioned if their constant search for a charge has affected their ability to take moments to "smell the roses" but it seems like a trade off to me. I look forward to the future episodes as they get closer to the States.
I loved the Long Way Round. Great adventure. But the one thing I didn't understand was why brand as a two motorbikes adventure, when even taking support cars aside, there's actually 3 bikes, because there's a cameraman with them all the time... Was he really essential? I can understand support cars, but a third bike? But I still enjoyed it.
Then in the Long Way Down, Ewan's ego started to take over, and we had little McGregor family show. But how can you blame him, he just loves his wife so much. Or loved should I say, because I've watched the first episode of Long Way Up and she wasn't mention even once. I wonder why... Anyway, this whole electric thing totally killed that show for me, it became too commercialized...
I don't know that I think it killed it but it certainly changed the tone and tenor of the series. It was a bit of a disappointment but not for the reasons I was most worried about when I made this video. Ultimately, it is what it is but I wish it had gone another way.
I bet you haven't even crossed the sothern U.S. boarder to know how the power grid is.
I mean, it's like saying those who ride mountains with a best of the best gear, helicopter crew and shit VS an idiot riding the same mountain in the cardboard and kill themselves on the way are real! And those first one are not. It's a fucking adventure. A journey. Do it however you want. It's not wrong. It's not right. It just is. So who cares what Harley thinks? Who fucking cares. This video? Expectations, expectations, expectations... Fuck that!
For sure...I mean I don’t know exactly what you are saying but I am compelled to agree with you.
The whole show is a very expensive HD publicity stunt that went terribly wrong. The HD electric bike is very important for HD to survive and then this happens. I don’t think people are running to HD shops to buy this bike that travels best on a bus.I feel very sorry for Mr Mc Gregor and Boorman that they did this advertisement movie. It is humiliating to see them in this role. They are getting too old and rich to take part of a real adventure and I don’t think they wil ever do another film of this sort. Maybe a bucket-list film in an old bus with two 250cc dirtbikes in it and without too much sponsors. Sic transit gloria mundi. I am so sad.
I fear you may be right and we will never see the duo out there again in this type of adventure. It is too bad but they seemed to have squandered this opportunity a bit. Maybe if we are lucky there will be several new riders to watch in the coming years as the travel and tech become more and more accessible.
Your UA-cam video is irrelevant because you are using the word scam as beat click before watching the actual documentary. The first notion of lack of credibility is that you have your background music almost louder than your microphone in your mix. You are all seeing using terms like, “I don’t think” , “I’m not sure if“...
Remember that a documentary of this sort is actually showing a “in a perfect world” scenario were charging stations of adequate charging capabilities are available for the electric bike. So far the documentary shows that it’s possible if you have diesel generators being pulled with a camera crew. As the technology gets better and better, this gets easier and easier and more likely to be available to every day Consumers. This is the way of all vehicles and I applied to Filmmaker’s for not only making something entertaining while educational which is the true sign of a successful documentary. On the other hand, you are UA-cam video I would not applied as not only a filmmaker but documentary filmmaker as you are beginning with bait click terminology. If you have seen all of the episodes then you should seriously consider either taking down this video or retracting some of your statements. Also fire your sound engineer as I was not able to get more than 40% through your video
The reason I used the word "scam" as a question is because after my first video on the subject I heard tons of feedback from people saying this was a scam to push HD's electric tech. I didn't really believe that and had tons of faith in the boys to be honest about their adventure as they were with the first two in the series. It wasn't until I saw the interview with Ewan mentioned in the video that I started to doubt myself and think maybe those naysayers saw something I didn't. In that super short interview segment, it didn't seem clear just how much support they used for the trip and it seemed possible for the first time, in my mind, that this could have all been a PR stunt.
You also have to remember that this video was shot eight months before we even had a release date for the series and all there was to go on was rumor and found photos of the journey from non-participants. The flow of information out of this project, given what is available today, was abysmal and that led to many, including me, to be understandably apprehensive about motives. I said things like, "I don't think..." and "I am not sure if..." because I am not a journalist and am purely giving speculation about a topic we are all interested in.
As far as taking this down, it isn't going to happen for two reasons. One, nothing I said in this video is outside the bounds of reasonable criticism given what we had at the time. There have been follow ups which have revised my thinking on their handling of the new tech and their responsibility for honesty. Secondly, asking a question isn't an indictment. It is a question and that is pretty simple to see from the video as I am a huge fan of the team.
Lastly, I love that you think I have a "sound engineer" for these productions. Either that means I am better at this than I thought or worse. Tough to say but the music issue has been adjusted in follow up videos and I look forward to your continued viewing to watch how this one man operation improves with each new offering.
The whole thing was a scam. This bike has very shitty range. Its a city bike plain and simple. Unless you live in LA or NYC your gonna struggle finding charging stations in the US. I50 miles tops and if your on it then the charge goes even quicker. Most of the time these guys were riding at 40 mph or lower. Thats not a fun ride. Plus they had a shit ton of support vehicles. If harley can increase the range and lower the price it will sell. Otherwise it will become a museum piece quick.
I agree. This doesn't seem like the right bike for this type of ride at all. It would be a great commuter but ADV is just ridiculous and it shows.
Just finished watching the series....maybe you should have waited and watched the series. There were numerous challenges they had with regards to charging the bikes and the Rivian vechicles.
By doing this video prematurely, it makes you look, at the very least, foolish. I am not familiar with this UA-cam channel is, but why would you even talk about fraudulent behaviour before watching the actual series?
These were the questions swirling around the project basically the moment it was announced that they would be riding the Harley Livewire. My start in adventure biking, like many others, came from the previous two series so I was really excited to see the third installment. I’d always defended the decision by the crew without hesitation until I saw the referenced interview with Ewan where he seemingly skirted the support element to this trip. It was the first I thought maybe all the cynics were right. This video discusses those doubts I’d had and reiterated my expectations, which were met, for honesty and sincerity from the boys, about exactly what was needed to complete this trip.
At the beginning yes, even they complained, Ewan said long way and electric bikes no way! in a hotel room, probably he cried when cameras turned off, they tried not to show their frustration but it was obvious then Rivian made them a new charger (for Harleys) which is portable, installed on Rivian cars and fully charges a bike in 2 hours, watch carefully! Those two men and the team put their life into that series what are you talking about, cameraman guy was dying of altitude sickness, he carried on till they "posted" him down, director went under broken Rivian car, tonnes of weight, to repair on that loose terrain I was shouting get out of under the car you gonna die, just to save the series, just to keep the team going, Charley??? right after an ultra serious accident kept him in hospital for months with all pins on his legs and body, he ride in pain for hours day after day under rough and dangerous terrain, hard and soft mixed, knowing that next accident will leave him disabled, he ain't said nothing, not one single word, just carried on and never showed up his pain, kept the team going. Also it was so cold at the beginning Harleys not charged proper then weather changed things started getting better, smiley faces started on all team members. It's Rivian's invention saved the series. The only thing was good about Harleys, they sound awesome. Credit to Rivian more than Harley. Next series coming, " long way up then round and round again" :)
The series has been incredible and I am glad to see my expectations of the guys being honest about their issues with the new tech were met with flying colors. It has been a monster ride so far.
Watch the show. No one is trying to lie and make anything up, Did they have a vast support team, YES. Did they stop and have failed luck on charging, YES. Did they have a pickup truck that carried a diesel generator to help them in a pinch, YES. Are these guys also doing this on a timeline and on a production schedule, YES. Are they traveling around wearing their celebrity on their sleeves, NO. Are they hiding that they don’t want to be in a Patagonian winter night with just a tent, NO. If you are watching the show to see if two guys did an epic journey with no support and no backups, then this isn’t a show for you. If you want to see two people experiencing humanity on a journey that coincidentally, they did on electric vehicles to bring attention to other pressing environmental issues... you might enjoy it.
This was posted nearly 8 months ago when we were getting zero info from the production and no evidence was available for anything about the trip. The vid was speculative, of course, and I am glad we will finally get a lot of answers to these questions as the series is released. I am glad to see they are being very forthright about their challenges and support. It is exactly as I had expected.
Cannot hear much of what you are saying. Your strong U/S accent, which is not easy for native speakers of English to understand, and the overbearing music (noise) defeat your purpose. I persevered, but gave up after about 4 - 5 minutes.
I apologize for the difficulties. It turns out the mix on this sound was off and created problems for many. It should be getting better in the follow up vids. Thank you very much for the heads up but I can't do much about the accent. I was born with it. ;-)
They sold their souls for a harley davidson PR stunt. So sad.
I watched..but, sadly I did not want to have to hear your personal rant. Neither you or I were there. I would suggest in future to allow the persons watching to watch, listen and determine...not be swayed by YOUR opinion. Thank you
I am pretty sure no one is going to be swayed by my opinion but I do revel in the conversation. It is a shame you didn’t make it all the way through because there were some real gems at the tail end.
complete waste of time, the bikes and Rivians break before or at México because the trip stops at central America and you don´t see any of that up to L.A. instead it turns into pimp my ride with a bus and some phony story about dangerous travel in much safer places than the ones they´ve already been in.
Yeh, this is basically how I felt for the last couple of episodes. It just felt rushed and unfinished. It is a shame really because it could have been so much more if the boys hadn't lost focus.
If you read Rivian's comments on this, Rivian, and possibly Harley, paid for and installed chargers all throughout South America before the long way up. Additionally Rivian vehicles have giant batteries that can go 400+ miles and the extra charge on a 150 miles day can be used to charge the bikes. Beyond that most of the travel was at relatively low speeds, which extends the range of electric vehicles.
That is really cool that Rivian helped them with the charging issues and I am glad to see them being so candid about the limitations of this new tech. It has been interesting to watch their experience.
I don't get what would be bad if they used the DC chargers? In the other show, the support vehicles helped them occasionally with gas and spare parts. Who cares? Isn't this just about seeing the bikes and the guys having fun?
I don't think there is anything wrong with the DC chargers at all. I kind of figured they would be a big part of the show. I think the only thing I would be disappointed about would be if they used the chargers often but acted as though they could have done the trip without them. The interview gave me the impression they were trying to say the bikes made it on house charges and lunchtime "refills" to make the trip. I don't see how that is possible but I am VERY interested in watching to find out. September 18th is the premiere date.
You should not have made any comments without watching the show. They showed the other vehicles and creation of charging stations. Your critique has no merit because you did not watch the show. Shame! Shame! Shame!
Shame, Shame, Shame seems a bit over dramatic but I will address your assertions. The show wasn't available when I made the comments and I made those comments BECAUSE there was a lot of speculation surrounding the project. If you watched the video at all you would have found that I expected the guys to handle themselves exactly as they did. I went through the concerns I was hearing and was VERY supportive of the project. I think they did a very good job of covering the good and bad of the electric bike on a trip like this, which again, is exactly what I expected. If doubts and concerns should never be voiced when dealing with much loved product, then I guess we will simply have to agree to disagree. I appreciate the feedback either way.
Harley Davidson and Apple are paying them a lot of money. That's the big difference this time. Electric bikes wouldn't have been doable on the other Long Way trips.
I would have agreed with you for sure but the trailer just came out and it looks like they tackle some pretty rough areas. I mean, it isn't off-roading in Mongolia but they definitely pushed these bikes.
Yeah support van that won't charge the bikes is fossil fueled! The bike Claudio rides is fossil fueled! Most of the remote locations they charge off are powered by guess what, Fossil Fueled!
It has been a MAJOR undertaking to keep these vehicles on the road but, at least, they are being very honest about those issues. That was my biggest worry as we waited for the series. It is a new tech that is relatively untested, especially in these areas so I applaud their effort. Plus it has been fun to watch and really shot incredible well.