How Strong Is Ronnie Coleman Vs Mariusz Pudzianowski?
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- How Strong Is Ronnie Coleman Vs Mariusz Pudzianowski?
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It's not a Ronnie video without hearing, "800 solid ass pounds!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah buddy! Light Weight!😂
I remember Dr. Terry Todd making a top ten list of the strongest men of all-time. Although Ronnie didn't make the list, Todd was impressed with him enough that he included him as an honorable mention.
do you have a link ??
@lordmegatron6145 It was in a magazine. I saved the page, but I wouldn't be able to find it quickly with all the tons of stuff I have. Big Z was on top at the time, and Todd put him #1. Kaz, Anderson and Cyr finished in the top 5 (not necessarily in that order). Shaw, Hall and Thor weren't a force yet, so they didn't make the list.
@@PinnaclePete thanks..
Pound per pound, Ronnie is stronger than most strongman
@@Manusia.satu1 I'm fairly sure Todd also included Franco Columbu as an honorable mention because of his great pound-for-pound strength. In that regard, he was beyond even Ronnie!
Mariusz is obviously going to be stronger (because he was a professional strongman) but it would have been interesting to see what Ronnie could have accomplished in that area if he'd focused on strongman instead of bodybuilding.
These guys were superhuman.
Might be unpopular opinion but prime Pudz vs Prime Ronnie strength, body, function and athleticism I'd prefer Pudz hands down. Ronnie was massive and strong but couldn't walk without being out of breath.
@Pantelifts10 That's very true. But although Mariusz had one of the better physiques for a strongman, put him on a stage posing against Ronnie and he gets blown out of the water. They both specialized in different areas.
Absolutely, due to training, Mariusz was the better athlete.
I don’t think your opinion will be unpopular. Let’s not forget, Pudz was cut and ripped and absolutely huge back in his prime.
@@PinnaclePete now tell me what is more important being strong and fit or "looking strong in a beauty contest" ?
bodybuilding is just the most unnecessary thing ever and other than being unhealthy af unrealistic (as they never look in contest shape for 95% of the time)
and they have no cardiovascular endurance whatsoever what is even the point
they just look strong they aren't really strong considering muscle size though if you compare them to actual strength athletes
no one is beating Mariusz at old WSM events
Bodybuilding coaching and workouts have come so far since Ronnie. WSM training has come so far since the days of bending an iron bar around your neck. This footage needs to be preserved for the future! Amazing work as always and your analysis is spot on. Thanks for another great episode!
Thanks Matt.
A seated overhead with back support makes a huge difference on an overhead. I have done seated overhead at 315 for 4 reps. But 300 log and 330 overhead push press.
Yes absolutely; the core strength required to do military press is incredible. As you are aware most strongman overhead lifts usually require the athlete to clean the weight from the floor to the shoulders which is also massively taxing.
Great video and comparison!
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks for doing this !
Thanks for suggesting it
Both are beasts but Mariusz is from another planet, what a freak of nature.
Great video!!! Can you make one with Alexander Karelin? Probably the most terrifying and powerful athlet ever !!
Mariusz is flexible
another awesome video! I will give Marius the leg press because I count full range of motion as more important than stacking up 45's on it and barely moving it
Thanks bud, Mariusz's Leg press ROM is seriously impressive
@@StrengthUniverse when I've done leg press I've always gone for a crazy range of motion and never done more than 5 or 6 plates on each side
Ronnie is always good for these comparisons because he has so many lifts on video, but his form and ROM are always lacking. I am shocked there wasnt better choices for lifts from Pudz as he has a decade of strongman footage. I am shocked here how close Ronnie was to Pudz who has a case for strongest man in history.
I dont think any one would argue that Pudz is the strongest man in history. Yes he was one of the most dominant strongman of his time but he competet in one of weakest eras. If were looking for the strongest men we would end with prime
Hafþór Björnsson, Žydrūnas Savickas or some or some of the elite powerlifters even after adjusting for people getting better over the course of history.
he's doing lengthened partials which have now been proven to be superior than full ROM for muscle growth
@stopplzs I will stick with Dr.Mike in the "full rom club". Unfortunately there is workout research to support any point. Lol no shade
@@stopplzs Ahahahahahahaaa!
@@thewelfaregourmetdr mike himself has completely switched and is emphasizing the stretch and very lengthened positions and skipping the lockout or top lately
It's not stated enough Ronnie was depleted on those legendary clips. Prepping for a bodybuilding show is ridiculous, let alone an Olympia. Ronnie likely wasn't even @ 70% doing those insane lifts. I'm sure Mariusz was dinged up on most of his WSM performances also, but Ronnie has to have way less to give in the gym trying to lean out for a show. Mariusz would still be stronger than Ronnie because of the training, but Ronnie would be very close carbed up and hydrated.
I have always wondered how much more incredible Ronnie would have been had he lifted smart rather than heavy,
800 solid 800
It’s hilarious to me that people think bodybuilders aren’t strong, and call it “show muscle”. They worry about keeping a super low body fat % so strongen have a slight edge, but they are ridiculously strong also
Mariusz is a beast
Incredible athlete
@@StrengthUniverse Partial reps shouldn't count as real strength. Because I guarantee Ronnie would be pushing out fewer reps if he used a full range of motion on his lifts. Mariusz is stronger than Ronnie when it comes to real overall strength using a full range of motion on all lifts.
@@NeverTrustGovrnmentOrGlobalist Ronnies deadlift was pulled with full ROM and zero hitching. His squat was marginally short of full depth and his shoulder press was not locked out to keep tension on the shoulder rather than the tricep (as I mentioned at the start of the video, they trained for different sports). You seem to fail to account for the fact that all of Mariusz lifts are claims e.g they are not of video so cannot be accurately judged. Many people doubt his claims of a 290kg bench and we don’t no if the squat was performed raw or equipped. Also the fact that for the deadlift and shoulder press, Ronnie was only 5 weeks out from the Mr O so definitely not at full strength
Спасибо за видео брат, это реально две легенды!
Thanks. Two of the best
Mariuz, Raw 400kg DL, 639lbs, 800lbs+ raw squat...not even close. Ronnie's DB shoulder press was in actuality an incline press
Mariusz was at his best in strongman events that required a combination of strength,endurance and agility as opposed to pure strength output.
What Ronnie was able to do was incredible and it would have been nice to see what he could have done training strictly for strong man.
No roids = weak.
I would never think to challenge any claims by Mariusz, but many of the categories were "claims" , but not verified! That being said, I believe he's the strongest ever competed in WSM!
*Ronnie done half reps but Mariusz done full reps
he's doing lengthened partials which have now been proven to be superior than full ROM for muscle growth
@@stopplzsit’s now been proven your absolutely wrong. Get with the latest data bro
Legends !!!!!!!!
ROM counts
It’s possible Ronnie could have done well WSM. Being a “smaller” power guy when compared to guys like Brian Shaq and The Mountain. Mariusz was obviously dominant in the WSM events that required movement. Absolutely the best ever. Ronnie maybe could have been that type of competitor? Very strong on static lifts but top tier on the movement lifts?? Who knows I guess. Would have been fun to see that’s for sure
I absolutely love your videos! I would love to see more on Tom Haviland and Christopher Dorn. Also gage_the_guggernaut and Joesph Tumbarello
Honestly/ if you made a 1.5 hour documentary I would buy it. Keep up the great content!
Additionally, I think we all wonder what Ronnie would do via strongman or powerlifting if he trained a whole year for it after a few Mr.O titles…so incredibly strong
Thank you, I've made a note of your suggestion
Nice
Thanks
@@StrengthUniverse welcome
what an awesome video....this is excellent content. I wish the guys at "It's just bodybuilding" (Dusty Hanshaw, Big Ron Partlow, & Coach Scott McNally) would do a "It's just bodybuilding reacts" review of this video !!! Their discussion on this 5 1/2 minute video could easily become close to a 30 minute reaction video.
Ronnies lifts were designed primarily as body building not powerlifting and he was a reduced carb diet. His potential IMHo is about 10-20% more than his recorded.
How strong was the undefeated heavyweight champion of the world Rocky Marciano?
I would like to see a strength comparison between Greg Kovacs and Markus Rühl in their physical primes.
I don't know if you've seen it but I made a video on Greg and for the reasons I highlighted in that video an accurate comparison would be difficult
I'm 58. My lag press 500 kg * 30reps.
I think Mariush did more.
They use to have a video of Maruiz on here shoulder pressing over 500lbs of Free weights for reps
Great video! Both Marius and Ronnie were phenomenal. Hard to believe Marius built his size and strength mostly on ice-cream, candy bars and other highly processed junk foods.
Did he?
He said that he eats a lot of those things @@MrDreamer60
He had a reasonable Bodybuilding diet but also liked to indulge
IN THE NEXT VIDEO DANIEL BELL VS JESUS OLIVARES PLEASE... 💪👌
Ronnie was strong in the gym with limited range of motion. Its really no competition. Mariusz would smoke Ronnie
In strongman yes, but put both in a powerlifting competition with a few weeks to prepare.........
Both are legends but Mariusz is also a lot more athletic. Bodybuilders tend to be more musclebound where strongmen keep a lot of their mobility for their sport.
Don't agree with giving Ronnie the overhead press for a seated press with much shorter ranger of motion.
It was based on the seated barbell and DB press judged against Mariusz's full history of overhead events which left them very close. than factoring in that Ronnie wasn't training as a strength athlete and was only 5 weeks out from the Olympia. Also Consider that all of Mariusz lift's were achieved with leg drive
Can you do a video about Michael Jordan vs LeBron James?
So I feel compelled to comment on the leg press as ronnie should take an honest and easy win (thou personally don't know about straps so someone else can quantify that difference)
There is a way to quantify the angle in leg press and the force on the leg with mechanics.
A 35 degree leg press is 57.54% of a vertical leg press in terms of the force on the legs.
While a 45 degree leg press is 70.71% of a vertical leg press.
So 2300 pounds at 57.54% is 1,319 pounds vertically.
Then 860 pounds at 70.71% is 608 pounds vertically.
That's over a 2x advantage to ronnie.
I guess you are referring to Knee Wraps? They can make a huge difference with a full ROM,. but as seen in the video Ronnie didn't use a full range of motion so how much difference they made is questionable. The biggest difference in the angle of the sled which you have accounted for but Range of Motion is just as important and as seen in the video, Mariusz was moving the weight twice the distance of Ronnie. Taking everything into account they are pretty close.
@@StrengthUniverse I did forget the lesser range of motion
Battle of titans
Can u do one for Andrey Smaev now, he is a lot stronger now
I'm working on that video at the moment.
1:11 that's not 290kg ... that looks like 200kg
I'll agree with all of the assessments because the overhead press. Standing combined with those loose apparatuses on the ends is so much harder. That being said i don't think there was enough evidence to compare the 2 athletes fairly on the strength of that lift.
What about Krzysztof Radzikowski Ron Gronkski Bill Romanowski All these polish people seem pretty dame strong with reputation in status
I'm not sure if it's still up but i made a video with Krzysztof Radzikowski about 3 years ago
The impressive part about this is that reguardless of Ronnie's less than steller range of motion, he was able to perform lifts near the same level as Mariusz WHILE being significantly leaner.
If you've ever tried lifting heavy while starving, then you'll know what i mean 71124
Mariusz najlepszy !
Is it worth doing a video on powerlifter turned bodybuilder Joel Thomas? Although he isn't a 300-400 lb. guy, he has exhibited incredible pressing power with barbells and dumbbells in the bench and incline press for max sets and high rep sets.
Interesting video bro,i like it.
Imagine if ronnie dedicated his life to powerlifting instead bodybuilding... i dont think he could achive 500kg on deadlift,but probably around 450kg (i guess).
So in facts,we could say Marius was stronger,but ronnie had more power projection in a future.
Anyway,is my opinion,good video 👍🏻.
Thanks bro, If only we'd got to see Ronnie participate in Strongman or Powerlifting; that would have been cool
The strong man competitions are so diffident level than the gym. I’ve tried this many time and laughed at my “lack of success”: try alternate standing dumbbell curls with 40 pounders. No problem can do multiple reps as I’m sure any of you guys can. Then from the store , I’ll carry in each hand an 18-litre water cooler jug which are also 40 pounds a piece. Try curling them. Same weight. I can’t get one! Just that awkward, non-conventional object makes incredible difference. If anyone can get couple of decent reps using those coolers…let me know👍
Don't forget Jonnie Jackson. Trained with Ronnie and maybe had some better lifts.
Ronnie made zero clean lift like Mariuz!!
Before you keep bringing up range of motion, you should listen to what Eddie has to say on that topic...
And lets not forget. Ronnie was in his late 30s/early 40s when Mariusz was in his 20s (1964 vs 1977)
Remembering that strength athletes usually peak in there late 30's.
4:07 this is 400 kg, not 415 kg.
As is clearly stated in the video his best claimed deadlift is 415
@@StrengthUniverse Pekanov won- 410 kg. Mariusz 415 kg??no movie.
@@Zajc-rm2cd correct, in that competition Mariusz did 400. There is no video of his claimed 415
all good except that a bodybuilder's OHP cannot possibly be near the GOAT strongman, low chance.
Having checked the results of all of Mariusz's OHP events across his 10 years of competing; I can safely conclude that Ronnie and Mariusz were very closely matched.
@@StrengthUniverse wow..ok i guess mariusz won because his contests had more dynamic lifting unlike a static shown like Shaw Classic or Arnold's
Can you do a video on Tom Stoltman and Mitchell hooper. Then Luke Stoltman and Eddie Williams.
Theoretical 1 rep maxes are bogus. If you’ve never held that much or put it on your back it feels completely different
I think you meant to say "1 rep maxes are bogus". I state it is theoretical e.g a supposition to make it as clear as possible that this is a calculation.
POLSKA GUROM !!!
Marius can really DO something with his muscles in the ring, bodybuilders all get whooped by thinner fighters. Their muscles don’t mean anything.
Ronnie would destroy Conor or Khabib in UFC lol. Strength difference is crazy. One grab, Conor dead
@@Manusia.satu1 Ronnie doesn’t destroy anyone but himself. Poor man can hardly walk anymore.
My pr squat leg press is heavier than Mariusz'.
Mariusz, unlike Ronnie, was smart enough to maintain his health and not become disabled. This is the main thing, not power. In general, an incorrect comparison - powerlifting and bodybuilding are completely different disciplines.
The fact they are from different sports was literally mentioned in the first 20 seconds of the video and again at the end
Co by nie mowic to Mariusz jest w duzo lepszej kondycji dzis niz Ronnie pomimo dzwigania.Szkoda Ronniego bo to bardzo pozytywny facet.
Imagine how strong Ronnie would be at 20-30 percent bodyfat
Being the Strongest Bodybuilder of all time doesn't equate to Being the Strongest Man on Earth aka The World's Strongest Man
He's not the Strongest Bodybuilder of all time
@@StrengthUniverse Strongest Mr Olympia?
@@rafaelcisneros562 Yes Ronnie was the strongest winner of the Mr Olympia
Love Ronnie.
Not a fair comparison
Light weight baby!
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Those huge veins on Coleman cannot be healthy 😢
Proffesional bodybuilding isn't a healthy sport.
It ain't a sport@@vojtechkorhon4159
Marius 5ft10
He's 6'1. Even now he's 47 years old and after years of training his height in MMA is still listed at 186cm
I think how crippled Ronnie is now is a testament to how hard he pushed and how strong he was.
I’d dubious of some or Mariusz claims though. His bench seems very high
Mariusz. Mr Olympia is a glorified chippendale show. Static gym lifts dont necessarily translate to WSM. Ronnies range of motion is awful too.
Your comment comes across as very angry. This is purely for entertainment purposes, and they are legends in their own right.
Breathe man
You ok bro? Got some body dismorphia going on?
😂
Point being who would win with both of these individuals in their prime in a WSM competition?.. We all know this answer
@@noladude5046what's the answer?
Mariusz locked his knees on every rep of the leg press. That's called resting. There was no rest for Ronnie. Tension on the muscles the entire time.
mariusz was walking with heavy ass weights Ronnie couldn't even walk without getting out of breath
@@Thereallevan that doesn't make my statement untrue.
Ronnie was within spitting distance, at a much lower bodyfat.
Has there been video confirmation of Mariusz claimed 290KG Bench?
Ronnie is not 5'11 😂 this video is hokie
Ronnie prior to his serious back injury was 5'11. Plenty of resources and pictures that verify his height
Ronnie half reps coleman
Show your 300lbs+ shredded body kid
Solid ass half reps that would fold you like a clean pair of clothes
he's doing lengthened partials which have now been proven to be superior than full ROM for muscle growth
@@stopplzs Could you repeat that? I'm not really sure what you're getting at.
He's intentionally overloading his targeted muscles for his upcoming Olympia victory.
So now where going by “Claims” of what that person says. I believe several of these lifts were exaggerated by Marius. He never benched 639. I can almost guarantee it. Look at what Thor and Brian Shaw Max bench is, Thors around 540-560 and Brian‘s around 585 I believe. Ronnie said he could have squated 5-6 reps that day but stopped at 2. So that would give him max of 900-930 for a single. Brian Shaw in an interview and he said Marius wasn’t know as the strongest in the static lifts but excelled in the athletic events. So with all this being said, I’m pretty sure Ronnie definitely has Marius beat in the bench and squat. The dead lift is the only thing that I believe. Marius would probably beat him in. Shows how strong Coleman was that he was stronger in most static lifts than the top strongman which was Marius in that era.
Maybe if Ronnie was a bit taller he could have been one of the best strongmans of all time...The Strength's there
Ronnie could not have competed
Give him 6-8 months training for powerlifting, and, say, 2 years or so for strongman of that era... He could make a meaningful dent in the former, and who knows in the latter.
@BuJammy, I agree, especially if he had competed in Powerlifting
If ronnie was at 19-20% body fat he would've broken all records
Ah, I do not see any however here. Ronnie did the 562 pounds 5 times. The other guy did 639 once. Ronnie wins. Because a guy that can do 25 pushups 5 times is stronger than the guy that could only do 20 pushups 1 time.
Incorrect, Ronnie did 500lb x 5 and that would in theory provide a 1 rep max of 562.
Ach, colman war viel massiger.. Kommt keiner an. Er hat Bodybuilding gemacht und der andere strongman is ein gewaltiger unterschied. Und vor allem hat colman keine mit Menschen geschlagen. Für mich ist er ein Ehrenmann. Und nicht vergessen milo barus der noch stärker war, er hob mit ein Arm ein 360 kg schweres Pferd
auf sein Rücken und ging die Leiter hoch. 👍 👍 Auch milo schlug keine Menschen. Das sind für mich ehrenmänner. 👍 👍
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Mariusz was stronger clearly. That is not a knock on Ronnie at all.
Among bodybuilders Ronnie was one of the strongest ever and compared to average Joes Ronnie was stronger than anyone you will see at your local gym.
However, Mariusz was legit one of the strongest human beings on the planet. He could lift weight and do things with heavy weight that Ronnie simply could not quite do.
Ronnie would be a great strongman, mariusz wouldn t b a top 10 bodybuilder
White man 10 time stronger