In the movie, she caught on to his lies and the threatening aura he gave off with the gun caused her to want to remove herself from the situation immediately, hence the Katniss excuse. In the books its a little different because its explained that Katniss actually does come out in the rain, so Lucy Gray genuinely could have been going to pick flowers, and Snow's paranoia is what caused her to flee from him
A few notes here: 1. Lucy Gray’s character is meant to be from Appalachia. As someone who has lived in Appalachia all my life, her accent is spot on. 2. The book is from Coriolanus’ perspective, so the movie is meant to be that way. 3. Dr Gaul is supposed to be theatrical and looney! I loved Viola Davis’ portrayal!
On Achara's point of there not being enough signs that Snow doesn't like Sejanus - He tells the other classmates at the beginning that "he doesn't like Sejanus, he tolerates him." Also, didn't he save him in the arena to get on Dr Gall's good side? Snow calls him a friend but doesn't really act like it, more a friend of convenience.
He saved Sejanus in the arena because if he did the would get the plinth prize. A lot is clearer in the books but I thought the movie did a great job in capturing most of it
I think the part where CS said he wishes Sejanus' ma was sent in there was a little more of a clue, too. Doesn't seem like he would have went in there just to save a "friend"
but considering that he's lying that entire scene and acting like some extremely high class individual, it's totally normal to assume that he's in fact lying too to the group about his feeling towards sejanus to fit in. As someone that didnt read the books and didnt knew snow's history that was my first interpretation
Yeah, I mean if my best friend was constantly sneering at me, I might get the impression they didn't like me that much. 😅 Aside from the scene in the train, there's no point in the movie where he treats him as a friend, or does anything for him that doesn't benefit himself. On the contrary, he's angry or annoyed with him far more often.
Like it or not they chose to tell this story very tightly from Snow’s perspective. There almost no scenes that he wasn’t in or somehow watching, even the scenes between Lucy Gray and Jessup in the arena. So given that constraint, there’s a lot they didn’t show, like him protecting her from the bats on the train.
About rachel's accent. Suzanne Collins has been on record saying the books take place near the appalachian mountains and the audio books (which were all read by Tatiana Maslany except for Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes) portrayed District 12 as having appalachian accents.
Sure, but it feels a bit jarring when we didn't get the district 12 country twang in the four previous movies. There was a distinct lack of country music.
The distance, not showing things from Lucy's perspective, is very intentional. We don't know if she's genuine, or simply manipulating Snow as well. The movie encourages you to speculate and project, but never know. You don't even know if she's dead at the end. As Dinklage's character says, a mystery can drive you mad. And as the song "Cant' Catch Me Now" implies during the credits, dead or alive, Lucy Gray is the ghost which is going to haunt Snow for the rest of his life. And not knowing her fate, makes it worse. Neither he, nor we the audience, will ever know what happened to her.
You could see when snow made the recording he must've thought it was a win win by turning him in he could get in good with gaul and serjanus' father would buy his way out of trouble but things didn't go the way he planned but it still ended in his favour
And he wasn't wrong about the fact that he'd be implicated just by being his friend. Considering Serjanus's complete lack of common sense, the whole thing was bound to go sideways.
but considering that he's lying that entire scene and acting like some extremely high class individual, it's totally normal to assume that he's in fact lying too to the group about his feeling towards sejanus to fit in. As someone that didnt read the books and didnt knew snow's history that was my first interpretation
That and Snow is yelling at or scolding him in most of the scenes they share 😂 This was not a mutual friendship. Coriolanus' values are clearly in complete opposition both to Sejanus and Lucy
I originally thought Lucy Gray leaning in for that kiss was a bit premature but then I realized she probably thought there was a chance she’d die the next day and never have a kiss with anyone again.
3:12 no, she "bleached" it, essentially. It was yellowed. 13:21 they didn't tell us in the movie but if I remember correctly, he borrowed it from a pub owner he knew. 20:50 it's not about the money, if Snow had sent the water, it would have headed straight for Lucy Gray and he needed it to go towards Jessup so Jessup's mentor needed to send it.
The point of this is because it’s snows perspective, Lucy is only as much as me know from him. We don’t really know Lucy because he doesn’t really know her
Saying Sejeanus never struggled because he was rich is actually not true. He was from District 2. His father got rich later. That’s why he said his father “bought” his friend’s reaping to prove that he’d never have to go through that again and he said he was “part of that litter” when Snow said he had the pick of the litter.
sejanus probably came from a "middle class" family in 2 too. Nobody gets rich like his dad was out of think air in 20~ years. He probably never struggled in a sense that he never starved, never had to sell his lunch to buy his dinner. he still district, but being district doesnt mean struggling your entire life, means they are below capital by their hierarquy system and that they have a possibility in becoming a tribute
He was young when they moved and his family was already wealthy before that. More than anything his entitled and oblivious behaviour shows the lack of personal hardship. He tells Snow he doesn't need saving, but he expects his parents to bail him out of every problem, and rather than actually using his position and fortune for good, he thought signing up as a peacekeeper and social slumming was the way to go. His morals were in the right place, but he clearly hadn't interacted much with the real world.
her singing and acting are great in THIS. the hate is for how she is acting in interviews about the Snow white movie that shit all over a beloved classic and trying to spin it as a much needed makeover when they're changing things that don't need to be changed. she acts like a spoiled and entitled brat and not many are hyped about her because of it.
@@personafanatic4597Do you think she wrote the script? Because she didn’t. She’s just acting in it not “changing the story.” And she didn’t shit on the movie. She said the prince scared her as a CHILD. It scared me too. That doesn’t mean she hated the movie. Yall are dramatic as hell. It’s funny how most of the people complaining are grown ass men who suddenly are so passionate about a Disney princess.
@@personafanatic4597 Thats an L take. Rachel isn't spoiled or entitled. She's a 22 year old girl that conservative pundits think is too brown to play Snow White, but they cant say it out loud, so they spun a dumb smear campagine about how "entitled" and "ungrateful" she is for saying something mildly disparaging about how dated the stranger danger Prince from the original Snow White is. Now every pundit is pulling the same five out-of-context clips from her personal vlogs to give her the Bre Larson treatment. And dumb people online are eating it up because they like being mad.
@@rjenyawd it's not just about what she said, it's also about how she said it. The fact that she also talked about how the prince's scenes might all be cut out with that god awful attitude 🤢If she got a movie offer she should be grateful for it, instead of complaining about something (which is a classic) with that attitude and people who have the same character will support what she did
Definitely read the book. There's so much more to Snow. This should have been two movies. His thought process is so interesting throughout the book and that transition didn't really make it to screen despite TB doing the best with what he had. Everything he does has a motive. Sejanus was fine in this movie but you really feel for him in the book particularly because you see how Snow manipulates him. And Clemensia was done sooo wrong! They changed her character and shortened her story. I think she is important to Coriolanus story because she's an example of him betraying someone he's friends with for his own needs, and his manipulation of her. He useds everyone in the book and that didnt transition very well to screen.
In the book their perspective are much more clear!! And the girl running in the forest in the end is like kinda we dont know if its true or just snow's hallucination, bcz we dont know that the snake that bit him was poisonous or not.
I am pretty sure that at least in the movie Snow is hallucinating, I mean Lucy basically found out that Snow is a psycho and left and I don´t think she had time to prepare the birds and all that
@@Regarl_prepare the birds? She sung and then they carried on with just the notes. Unless I'm missing something in the movie and forgetting something from the book. 🤔
@@that.ll_do_pig No you´re right it does´nt need much preparation. But I still think he was hallucinating cause it all seemed so trippy and when he "shot" her she just vanished after.
It wasn't poisonous because he'd already be feeling it and having a hard time with the rifle b the time he started shooting. And she dropped her earring, meaning that he grazed her but she kept running.
I think most people catch that, it’s just that in that scene alone he lied to those people multiple times to keep his own image up, so most people assume he’s trying to fit in still
@@heatherdianeclark I’m not saying you didn’t catch it, I just mean that even if people catch it it doesn’t make as much of a difference since we see off the bat how he was lying to keep up appearances
@@clover2739 I didn’t catch it, that’s what I said in my comment just pointing out that it showed from the beginning he didn’t see Sejanus as a friend. Something I personally didn’t catch.
@@heatherdianeclark I know, I’m just explaining why what snow says there doesn’t really mean that much so even though he says that people, including his classmates don’t take it seriously
Katniss should have had an Appalachian accent, that’s where they live, that’s why in the first movie the lady who gives her the pin has the same accent
Collins has said through this story she wanted to explore the nature debate from the enlightenment period. This story though it does have some romance is more about how snow came to think of human nature that ended up making him rule the way he does in the original hunger games movies. John Locke's view of human nature and Hobbs view are very big in this story. He has many people who surrounds him that influence him about human nature but in the end decides human nature is naturally at war with each other. That the hunger games is truly how people are and the ending with Lucy just shows how he ends up seeing human nature. Like he has himself, humans are quick to turn on each other. The situations he gets himself in makes him see human nature as naturally selfish and at war because that is who he is he concludes all humans are like him so they must be ruled with a iron fist.The story isn't so much about the romance but why Snow starts to rule like he ends up doing. It also explains his hate for katniss as she reminds him of Lucy. It is also awesome that the song Lucy writes helps fuel the rebellion 64 years later. Can you imagine Snow's reaction when Katniss started to sing that? Definitely a great villian orgin story. Lucy may have disappeared but she definitely came back to haunt him 64 years later in the form of katniss
About the emotional investment on them as a couple, the movie robbed us a lot. Like a lot, in many ways. Their romance (yes, because once they get together, they couldn't get away from each other's) was cut about 90%, and even the ones that got into script and Tom and Rachel filmed, they've cut from final cut. Production said they cut to make more believable the ending (??), but if they had shown their bonding, the impact of the ending (that is very hard on both) would be even bigger. In book, the very last lines of Snow, and how after Lucy Gray, he didn't want to feel love again, and if ever married would rather be with someone he hates and can't not mess w his feelings, make him "weak", jealous or he feel desire for, which is exactly what happens in his life. Loveless life, haunted by a ghost of the past. A waste of actors great chemistry.
I would have liked to see more of that tbh but the run time was already long. It might have been difficult to show all of that development plus tell the plot in one movie 🤷🏻♀️
"Why did she run?" She ran bc the red flags were waving. He asked her who else knew about the guns and she said "just me." The look on his face...yeah Run girl, run! I don't think Lucy and Snow were meant to be a love story. They were a cautionary tale. From the beginning they were doomed. I didn't want her to be with him. In their 1st scene in district 12, he asked her to go back to the Capitol with him...the same Capitol who just tried to kill her???
I agree with mostly all of your critiques. Having read the book myself, you DO lose alot of the nuanced internal thought processes of Coriolanus. And part 1 DOES lack a little bit of expositional structure, in that sense. But Like Jaby says, I think Tom Blyth does a great job with what he was given. Somethings will be lost in translation from medium to medium, I get that. Its one of the most difficult parts of adapting an IP like this.
The accent is actually necessary actually everyone in disctict 12 in the books has that accent but in the original movies jennifer didn't go with it bur rachel did and she did it so well
Sejanus used to live in the districts. His ideals have everything to do with the fact that he not only knows the cruelty of the Capital but he also knows the people. It could have been HIM in that arena if his father hadn't ended up rich. Corio is such an interesting character because his love for Lucy is based on ownership and posession. He thinks he loves her but he wants to posess her. So in the end when it came to choosing himself and his aspirations, it wasn't a difficult choice. He's obsessed with power, which is why he inevitably betrayed Tigress in the end as well. His one living relative left who sacrificed her body (sexually) to keep him fed and even clothed during their worse years. He condemned her for her sexual impurities later, showing how self serving he really is/was. A power hungry psycopathic was always his fate. He doesn't really feel empathy, he masks. He wasn't always inherently evil as shit. But he morphed into what he is due to the posion of their society at large. Their society is the main issue. He was both a player and pawn. Katniss's later destruction of that society was also inevitable. A society that lacks empathy and mistreats its masses while disenfranchising all of those who are not the rich is what makes it dystopian. The downfall of a society based on this kind of system will never last. Also I always like to think that Dean Casca held deep regret for the creation of The Hunger Games. It was initially a way to go up the ranks from poverty within the capital BUT it soon morphed into something devoid of humanity and cruel. Corio's father is the reason it came to fruition. Which is a full circle moment that with Corio the regime was ended. Dean Casca was driven to drink because of how awful it all was and the fact that he had a hand in it. Viola played the role as it was intended. That character is INSANE. Worse in the books, she is a mad scientist. That's the POINT. She created the mutts. She's supposed to be theatrically evil lol. And no, Corio HATED Sejanus from the start. He is only kind to Sejanus as a stepping stone, that's portrayed well in the films. You just have to pay attention to the nuance in the film, it's obvious. As for Lucy, well she was just a pawn in Snow's game. She was never meant to have a happy ending. She was a stand in for the masses within the districts at the mercy of the capital. I consider both Lucy and Corio as metaphors. Lucy's life and existence is merely a calling card for the downfall of the capital to the people. She deserved better but her "death" was needed for the destruction of Corio (the capital). Revolutions start, unfortunately, with martyrs, deities, and people deemed worthy of championing in death. As far as book to film adaptations go, The Hunger Games films are some of the best. Kudos for the watch!
Gaul is the Viper Snake whom Nurtured Snow to become Her hatchling. She Saw in Him Ambition, yet with Truth Worthy. She knew How to Rear up a Proper Snake.
This story accomplished in one film what the Star Wars prequels could not accomplish in three films: show a man's fall from grace. George Lucas may have come up with some good story ideas for the prequels, but he should have been self-aware enough of his failings as a screenwriter to turn those ideas over to a more accomplished screenwriter who could have given Annakin's story more depth and pathos. The story of Annakin turning to the dark side of the force has always felt rushed and completely unconvincing, even given three films to show the corruption of a man's soul. "The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes" did a masterful job of making me care for a man who had been previously shown in the other films to be pure evil; thus, it was able to make me wince at every corrupting misstep Snow made in his gradual darkening of the soul. As a major Star Wars fan, this is how I wanted the prequels to make me feel about Annakin's journey.
0:010:01 Please check out Black Hawk Down,Taking Chance, Lincoln,Glory,True Lies,Scent of a Woman,Heat 1995, Cinderella Man,Blackadder and 1917 and also Body of Lies.
Hair is looking good, Jaby. Really liking it long. You and Greg both really loved Rachel's singing. He went on about it during his and John's reaction. I agree about the hard accent. Being from WV, the district 12 was modeled after, her accent sounded more like Texas or maybe North Carolina, but NOT WV! LOL.
I think they should’ve split it into two movies. Everything felt so rushed - compare the beginning to the first Hunger Games. They actually spent a decent amount of time building the world and the atmosphere. Felt that the script writers were just checking of boxes instead of finding the best ways to explore moments and tell the best story.
WoooooW what did i just watch😮 Can anyone simply explain me the concept of hunger games😢 What happened to the girl at end What is the politics in it explain......please....😢
I feel like you guys were too busy nitpicking and kinda missed the point of the movie especially in that ending scene lol we don’t need flashbacks on character a that aren’t that important for example jessup, why waste time of the movie showing irrelevant flashbacks? lol they can only make it a certain length. As for fleshing out the story it was basically already sorted into three parts in the book and the beginning was long enough so imagining an hour for each part would be funny. But yea highbottom basically explained the last scene about how snow not knowing what actually happened to her was in his head and it drove him mad but it is funny how her character does seem gray and she too considers herself a mystery. Her disappearing like that was clear that she’d been gone a long time ago due to the mockingjays and his big footprints in the earth from circling the woods searching for her
I believe the book shouldve been adapted into 2 movies, since many important details were left out, but thats me also, not defending Corio, but people like Sejanus who have no common sense piss me off. Like I'm sorry, but if you cant see how flawed the plan to 'liberate the woman and run' is, in my opinion, idiotic. Especially if youre doing it with people who you dont even know the slightest bit. what was he hoping to accomplish truly? what was he going to do after that could ACTUALLY benefit the districts, like he wanted? His heart was in the right place and I understand what he wanted to do, commend it even, but he was an idiot when making it happen, and for that, I cant fault Corio for using the Jabber Jay to record their conversation. Was it morally correct? No. But it was self-preservation and also, humans dont always do morally upstanding things, so... yeah
You say viola’s character isn’t your favorite but it was one of her best, I mean the theatrical performance was everything a movie villain could have. Meanwhile this was not my favorite reaction because ya’ll barely reacted to the movie itself, only the technical stuff like who cares😂 react to the movie itself and analyze more lol it’s almost as if you guys weren’t actually watching it and didn’t read the book😂
Rachel Zegler has a good singing voice, but she failed to convey that she had gone through some trauma, when she’s back in District 12. She acted like nothing had happened to her, she was just all sunshine and lollypops.
You guys should have watched this in theatres. All you guys do is react to these movies for youtube. I mean i get it with older movies but i feel like u guys should be going out and supporting these films.
Nobody has any obligation to help movies get good box office numbers. If you choose to stream the movie when it’s available or purchase a hard copy you’re still paying for it 😂
I hope you had fun watching the adventures of handsome kid murder man and snow no so much white the movie I didn't see it but they say it's pretty decent
@@oakcanary4040I dunno about critically acclaimed lol. I am a massive hunger games fan, and love the books and this movie, but the reception was Luke warm at best and got a moderately successful box office result.
@@vikramprasanna8908 just as delusional as calling it sh***y, but hey, negativity and bitterness is more preferred than being positive about something, right?
In the movie, she caught on to his lies and the threatening aura he gave off with the gun caused her to want to remove herself from the situation immediately, hence the Katniss excuse.
In the books its a little different because its explained that Katniss actually does come out in the rain, so Lucy Gray genuinely could have been going to pick flowers, and Snow's paranoia is what caused her to flee from him
A few notes here:
1. Lucy Gray’s character is meant to be from Appalachia. As someone who has lived in Appalachia all my life, her accent is spot on.
2. The book is from Coriolanus’ perspective, so the movie is meant to be that way.
3. Dr Gaul is supposed to be theatrical and looney! I loved Viola Davis’ portrayal!
Yeah people who say her accent is silly I say “have you listened to Dolly?”
Lol like? I love that she was theatrical, it’s a movie and one of her best roles like what 😂
On Achara's point of there not being enough signs that Snow doesn't like Sejanus - He tells the other classmates at the beginning that "he doesn't like Sejanus, he tolerates him." Also, didn't he save him in the arena to get on Dr Gall's good side? Snow calls him a friend but doesn't really act like it, more a friend of convenience.
He saved Sejanus in the arena because if he did the would get the plinth prize. A lot is clearer in the books but I thought the movie did a great job in capturing most of it
I think the part where CS said he wishes Sejanus' ma was sent in there was a little more of a clue, too. Doesn't seem like he would have went in there just to save a "friend"
but considering that he's lying that entire scene and acting like some extremely high class individual, it's totally normal to assume that he's in fact lying too to the group about his feeling towards sejanus to fit in. As someone that didnt read the books and didnt knew snow's history that was my first interpretation
Yeah, I mean if my best friend was constantly sneering at me, I might get the impression they didn't like me that much. 😅 Aside from the scene in the train, there's no point in the movie where he treats him as a friend, or does anything for him that doesn't benefit himself. On the contrary, he's angry or annoyed with him far more often.
Like it or not they chose to tell this story very tightly from Snow’s perspective. There almost no scenes that he wasn’t in or somehow watching, even the scenes between Lucy Gray and Jessup in the arena. So given that constraint, there’s a lot they didn’t show, like him protecting her from the bats on the train.
Exactly it’s in snow’s pov and that’s why people should read the book first
About rachel's accent. Suzanne Collins has been on record saying the books take place near the appalachian mountains and the audio books (which were all read by Tatiana Maslany except for Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes) portrayed District 12 as having appalachian accents.
Well those are the new recordings anyway
Sure, but it feels a bit jarring when we didn't get the district 12 country twang in the four previous movies. There was a distinct lack of country music.
@@vanyadolly no yeah totally agree on that. Just knowing that there is context for it makes me at least feel less jarred by it.
@@vanyadollyshe was giving johnny cash
I’m happy Viola Davis got to let loose and play such an eccentric character
She was so great. There was not one bite of scenery on that whole set that was safe. She chewed it ALL up, and I was here for it!
Great is a strong word @@rjenyawd
she looked like she had so much fun saying the 'time for my milk and crackers' line 😂
The distance, not showing things from Lucy's perspective, is very intentional. We don't know if she's genuine, or simply manipulating Snow as well. The movie encourages you to speculate and project, but never know. You don't even know if she's dead at the end. As Dinklage's character says, a mystery can drive you mad. And as the song "Cant' Catch Me Now" implies during the credits, dead or alive, Lucy Gray is the ghost which is going to haunt Snow for the rest of his life. And not knowing her fate, makes it worse. Neither he, nor we the audience, will ever know what happened to her.
You could see when snow made the recording he must've thought it was a win win by turning him in he could get in good with gaul and serjanus' father would buy his way out of trouble but things didn't go the way he planned but it still ended in his favour
I didn't think of it. 🤦🏾♀️ True. His plan probably was that Serjanus' father would get him out of trouble
And he wasn't wrong about the fact that he'd be implicated just by being his friend. Considering Serjanus's complete lack of common sense, the whole thing was bound to go sideways.
Wait that’s probably exactly it, idk why I didn’t realize that
at the beginning of the movie he literally says to the group " i dont like him, i tolerate him"
but considering that he's lying that entire scene and acting like some extremely high class individual, it's totally normal to assume that he's in fact lying too to the group about his feeling towards sejanus to fit in. As someone that didnt read the books and didnt knew snow's history that was my first interpretation
@@Gabi-nn6xu i didnt read the book either... but i remembered that
@@Gabi-nn6xuIf you lie about a friend to fit in, then that’s a good indictor you’re not friends with them.
That and Snow is yelling at or scolding him in most of the scenes they share 😂 This was not a mutual friendship. Coriolanus' values are clearly in complete opposition both to Sejanus and Lucy
I originally thought Lucy Gray leaning in for that kiss was a bit premature but then I realized she probably thought there was a chance she’d die the next day and never have a kiss with anyone again.
3:12 no, she "bleached" it, essentially. It was yellowed.
13:21 they didn't tell us in the movie but if I remember correctly, he borrowed it from a pub owner he knew.
20:50 it's not about the money, if Snow had sent the water, it would have headed straight for Lucy Gray and he needed it to go towards Jessup so Jessup's mentor needed to send it.
The point of this is because it’s snows perspective, Lucy is only as much as me know from him. We don’t really know Lucy because he doesn’t really know her
Saying Sejeanus never struggled because he was rich is actually not true.
He was from District 2. His father got rich later. That’s why he said his father “bought” his friend’s reaping to prove that he’d never have to go through that again and he said he was “part of that litter” when Snow said he had the pick of the litter.
sejanus probably came from a "middle class" family in 2 too. Nobody gets rich like his dad was out of think air in 20~ years. He probably never struggled in a sense that he never starved, never had to sell his lunch to buy his dinner. he still district, but being district doesnt mean struggling your entire life, means they are below capital by their hierarquy system and that they have a possibility in becoming a tribute
@@Gabi-nn6xuin essence he dealt with classism but not hunger and loss. He got to be an SJW without experiencing pain and Coriolanus hated him for it
He was young when they moved and his family was already wealthy before that. More than anything his entitled and oblivious behaviour shows the lack of personal hardship. He tells Snow he doesn't need saving, but he expects his parents to bail him out of every problem, and rather than actually using his position and fortune for good, he thought signing up as a peacekeeper and social slumming was the way to go. His morals were in the right place, but he clearly hadn't interacted much with the real world.
I thought everyone was fantastic in this movie! I don't understand the hate Rachel Zegler gets, her singing and acting were great!
her singing and acting are great in THIS. the hate is for how she is acting in interviews about the Snow white movie that shit all over a beloved classic and trying to spin it as a much needed makeover when they're changing things that don't need to be changed. she acts like a spoiled and entitled brat and not many are hyped about her because of it.
@@personafanatic4597Do you think she wrote the script? Because she didn’t. She’s just acting in it not “changing the story.” And she didn’t shit on the movie. She said the prince scared her as a CHILD. It scared me too. That doesn’t mean she hated the movie. Yall are dramatic as hell. It’s funny how most of the people complaining are grown ass men who suddenly are so passionate about a Disney princess.
@@personafanatic4597 Thats an L take. Rachel isn't spoiled or entitled. She's a 22 year old girl that conservative pundits think is too brown to play Snow White, but they cant say it out loud, so they spun a dumb smear campagine about how "entitled" and "ungrateful" she is for saying something mildly disparaging about how dated the stranger danger Prince from the original Snow White is. Now every pundit is pulling the same five out-of-context clips from her personal vlogs to give her the Bre Larson treatment. And dumb people online are eating it up because they like being mad.
@@jalarhone it's not just grown ass men trust me
@@rjenyawd it's not just about what she said, it's also about how she said it. The fact that she also talked about how the prince's scenes might all be cut out with that god awful attitude 🤢If she got a movie offer she should be grateful for it, instead of complaining about something (which is a classic) with that attitude and people who have the same character will support what she did
“Her heart was doing all sorts of swipe right” absolutely SENT me 😂
0:30 Achara's "well I know how to read..." 😂😂😂
Definitely read the book. There's so much more to Snow. This should have been two movies. His thought process is so interesting throughout the book and that transition didn't really make it to screen despite TB doing the best with what he had. Everything he does has a motive. Sejanus was fine in this movie but you really feel for him in the book particularly because you see how Snow manipulates him. And Clemensia was done sooo wrong! They changed her character and shortened her story. I think she is important to Coriolanus story because she's an example of him betraying someone he's friends with for his own needs, and his manipulation of her. He useds everyone in the book and that didnt transition very well to screen.
In the book their perspective are much more clear!! And the girl running in the forest in the end is like kinda we dont know if its true or just snow's hallucination, bcz we dont know that the snake that bit him was poisonous or not.
Venomous, not poisonous.
I am pretty sure that at least in the movie Snow is hallucinating, I mean Lucy basically found out that Snow is a psycho and left and I don´t think she had time to prepare the birds and all that
@@Regarl_prepare the birds? She sung and then they carried on with just the notes. Unless I'm missing something in the movie and forgetting something from the book. 🤔
@@that.ll_do_pig No you´re right it does´nt need much preparation. But I still think he was hallucinating cause it all seemed so trippy and when he "shot" her she just vanished after.
It wasn't poisonous because he'd already be feeling it and having a hard time with the rifle b the time he started shooting. And she dropped her earring, meaning that he grazed her but she kept running.
Well at the beginning he did say to the others that Sejanus wasn’t his friend that he just tolerates him, I didn’t catch that the first time I saw it.
I think most people catch that, it’s just that in that scene alone he lied to those people multiple times to keep his own image up, so most people assume he’s trying to fit in still
@@clover2739 never said that others didn’t just saying I didn’t, but I also have ADHD and have to watch several times to see what I missed.
@@heatherdianeclark I’m not saying you didn’t catch it, I just mean that even if people catch it it doesn’t make as much of a difference since we see off the bat how he was lying to keep up appearances
@@clover2739 I didn’t catch it, that’s what I said in my comment just pointing out that it showed from the beginning he didn’t see Sejanus as a friend. Something I personally didn’t catch.
@@heatherdianeclark I know, I’m just explaining why what snow says there doesn’t really mean that much so even though he says that people, including his classmates don’t take it seriously
Katniss should have had an Appalachian accent, that’s where they live, that’s why in the first movie the lady who gives her the pin has the same accent
Collins has said through this story she wanted to explore the nature debate from the enlightenment period. This story though it does have some romance is more about how snow came to think of human nature that ended up making him rule the way he does in the original hunger games movies. John Locke's view of human nature and Hobbs view are very big in this story. He has many people who surrounds him that influence him about human nature but in the end decides human nature is naturally at war with each other. That the hunger games is truly how people are and the ending with Lucy just shows how he ends up seeing human nature. Like he has himself, humans are quick to turn on each other. The situations he gets himself in makes him see human nature as naturally selfish and at war because that is who he is he concludes all humans are like him so they must be ruled with a iron fist.The story isn't so much about the romance but why Snow starts to rule like he ends up doing. It also explains his hate for katniss as she reminds him of Lucy. It is also awesome that the song Lucy writes helps fuel the rebellion 64 years later. Can you imagine Snow's reaction when Katniss started to sing that? Definitely a great villian orgin story. Lucy may have disappeared but she definitely came back to haunt him 64 years later in the form of katniss
This is the right analysis. It's a story about the state of nature and the choices we make
About the emotional investment on them as a couple, the movie robbed us a lot. Like a lot, in many ways. Their romance (yes, because once they get together, they couldn't get away from each other's) was cut about 90%, and even the ones that got into script and Tom and Rachel filmed, they've cut from final cut.
Production said they cut to make more believable the ending (??), but if they had shown their bonding, the impact of the ending (that is very hard on both) would be even bigger.
In book, the very last lines of Snow, and how after Lucy Gray, he didn't want to feel love again, and if ever married would rather be with someone he hates and can't not mess w his feelings, make him "weak", jealous or he feel desire for, which is exactly what happens in his life. Loveless life, haunted by a ghost of the past.
A waste of actors great chemistry.
I would have liked to see more of that tbh but the run time was already long. It might have been difficult to show all of that development plus tell the plot in one movie 🤷🏻♀️
@@Acharawhich is why they should bring back longer movies with intermissions. 🙃
"Why did she run?" She ran bc the red flags were waving. He asked her who else knew about the guns and she said "just me." The look on his face...yeah Run girl, run!
I don't think Lucy and Snow were meant to be a love story. They were a cautionary tale. From the beginning they were doomed. I didn't want her to be with him. In their 1st scene in district 12, he asked her to go back to the Capitol with him...the same Capitol who just tried to kill her???
i remember watching this in the cinema when Snow said "my old self" I snorted out a laugh and blurted 'ok Taylor Snow-Swift'
I agree with mostly all of your critiques. Having read the book myself, you DO lose alot of the nuanced internal thought processes of Coriolanus. And part 1 DOES lack a little bit of expositional structure, in that sense. But Like Jaby says, I think Tom Blyth does a great job with what he was given. Somethings will be lost in translation from medium to medium, I get that. Its one of the most difficult parts of adapting an IP like this.
The accent is actually necessary actually everyone in disctict 12 in the books has that accent but in the original movies jennifer didn't go with it bur rachel did and she did it so well
Sejanus used to live in the districts. His ideals have everything to do with the fact that he not only knows the cruelty of the Capital but he also knows the people. It could have been HIM in that arena if his father hadn't ended up rich.
Corio is such an interesting character because his love for Lucy is based on ownership and posession. He thinks he loves her but he wants to posess her. So in the end when it came to choosing himself and his aspirations, it wasn't a difficult choice. He's obsessed with power, which is why he inevitably betrayed Tigress in the end as well. His one living relative left who sacrificed her body (sexually) to keep him fed and even clothed during their worse years. He condemned her for her sexual impurities later, showing how self serving he really is/was.
A power hungry psycopathic was always his fate. He doesn't really feel empathy, he masks. He wasn't always inherently evil as shit. But he morphed into what he is due to the posion of their society at large. Their society is the main issue. He was both a player and pawn.
Katniss's later destruction of that society was also inevitable. A society that lacks empathy and mistreats its masses while disenfranchising all of those who are not the rich is what makes it dystopian. The downfall of a society based on this kind of system will never last.
Also I always like to think that Dean Casca held deep regret for the creation of The Hunger Games. It was initially a way to go up the ranks from poverty within the capital BUT it soon morphed into something devoid of humanity and cruel. Corio's father is the reason it came to fruition. Which is a full circle moment that with Corio the regime was ended. Dean Casca was driven to drink because of how awful it all was and the fact that he had a hand in it.
Viola played the role as it was intended. That character is INSANE. Worse in the books, she is a mad scientist. That's the POINT. She created the mutts. She's supposed to be theatrically evil lol.
And no, Corio HATED Sejanus from the start. He is only kind to Sejanus as a stepping stone, that's portrayed well in the films. You just have to pay attention to the nuance in the film, it's obvious.
As for Lucy, well she was just a pawn in Snow's game. She was never meant to have a happy ending. She was a stand in for the masses within the districts at the mercy of the capital. I consider both Lucy and Corio as metaphors. Lucy's life and existence is merely a calling card for the downfall of the capital to the people. She deserved better but her "death" was needed for the destruction of Corio (the capital). Revolutions start, unfortunately, with martyrs, deities, and people deemed worthy of championing in death.
As far as book to film adaptations go, The Hunger Games films are some of the best. Kudos for the watch!
I didn’t expect to walk out of a Hunger Games movie with a roots music buzz, but I’m not complaining!
43:15 the second book. Catching Fire. Was the weakest of the 3 and the only one I would not call a classic so you are not crazy for saying that.
Gaul is the Viper Snake whom Nurtured Snow to become Her hatchling. She Saw in Him Ambition, yet with Truth Worthy. She knew How to Rear up a Proper Snake.
This story accomplished in one film what the Star Wars prequels could not accomplish in three films: show a man's fall from grace. George Lucas may have come up with some good story ideas for the prequels, but he should have been self-aware enough of his failings as a screenwriter to turn those ideas over to a more accomplished screenwriter who could have given Annakin's story more depth and pathos. The story of Annakin turning to the dark side of the force has always felt rushed and completely unconvincing, even given three films to show the corruption of a man's soul. "The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes" did a masterful job of making me care for a man who had been previously shown in the other films to be pure evil; thus, it was able to make me wince at every corrupting misstep Snow made in his gradual darkening of the soul. As a major Star Wars fan, this is how I wanted the prequels to make me feel about Annakin's journey.
what happened to The Brothers Sun?
0:01 0:01 Please check out Black Hawk Down,Taking Chance, Lincoln,Glory,True Lies,Scent of a Woman,Heat 1995, Cinderella Man,Blackadder and 1917 and also Body of Lies.
You guys should watch and reaction to Les Misérables movie starring Hugh Jackman and others. Really recommended.
I think you guys missed that this is from Snow's point of view. So, they're not going to focus on the other characters stories.
Wasn’t really expecting tips on better cannibalism when I sat down to watch😂
Yes! I was waiting for this reaction! 🙌🏽
“I know how to read” 😂😂
Tom Blythe does steal this movie plus viola Davis
The Juliard School educated both of them
Right. They were superb. Especially Tom
Hair is looking good, Jaby. Really liking it long. You and Greg both really loved Rachel's singing. He went on about it during his and John's reaction. I agree about the hard accent. Being from WV, the district 12 was modeled after, her accent sounded more like Texas or maybe North Carolina, but NOT WV! LOL.
I thought lucy gray was great!
I think they should’ve split it into two movies. Everything felt so rushed - compare the beginning to the first Hunger Games. They actually spent a decent amount of time building the world and the atmosphere. Felt that the script writers were just checking of boxes instead of finding the best ways to explore moments and tell the best story.
Awesome reaction of my favorite The Hunger Games movie!!!!😊😊😊😊😊
great reaction! When I seen it, this had 999 likes. And I'm PROUD to make it 1K! keep it up and hope you get way more likes in the future!
WoooooW what did i just watch😮
Can anyone simply explain me the concept of hunger games😢
What happened to the girl at end
What is the politics in it
explain......please....😢
Are y'all still doing Succession??
hmm.. nalla iruke😮😊
I feel like you guys were too busy nitpicking and kinda missed the point of the movie especially in that ending scene lol we don’t need flashbacks on character a that aren’t that important for example jessup, why waste time of the movie showing irrelevant flashbacks? lol they can only make it a certain length. As for fleshing out the story it was basically already sorted into three parts in the book and the beginning was long enough so imagining an hour for each part would be funny. But yea highbottom basically explained the last scene about how snow not knowing what actually happened to her was in his head and it drove him mad but it is funny how her character does seem gray and she too considers herself a mystery. Her disappearing like that was clear that she’d been gone a long time ago due to the mockingjays and his big footprints in the earth from circling the woods searching for her
I believe the book shouldve been adapted into 2 movies, since many important details were left out, but thats me
also, not defending Corio, but people like Sejanus who have no common sense piss me off. Like I'm sorry, but if you cant see how flawed the plan to 'liberate the woman and run' is, in my opinion, idiotic. Especially if youre doing it with people who you dont even know the slightest bit. what was he hoping to accomplish truly? what was he going to do after that could ACTUALLY benefit the districts, like he wanted? His heart was in the right place and I understand what he wanted to do, commend it even, but he was an idiot when making it happen, and for that, I cant fault Corio for using the Jabber Jay to record their conversation. Was it morally correct? No. But it was self-preservation and also, humans dont always do morally upstanding things, so... yeah
Please react to poor things when its available!
The whole video is just gonna be muted and blurred😂
Me watching
dont know any of the shitt😂😂😂😂
You say viola’s character isn’t your favorite but it was one of her best, I mean the theatrical performance was everything a movie villain could have. Meanwhile this was not my favorite reaction because ya’ll barely reacted to the movie itself, only the technical stuff like who cares😂 react to the movie itself and analyze more lol it’s almost as if you guys weren’t actually watching it and didn’t read the book😂
37:06 😂😂
I hope Francis Lawrence gets to direct BIOSHOCK
Sorry, but could you not just keep the movie in firm border rather than smooth ones. It's really distracting. Thank you, loved the reaction.
Succession when 😊
Oh wow I thought this video was you guys reacting to the pitch meeting of this movie haha.
Watch Little Nicky!!!
please react to society if the snow when possible
Please react to society o the snow
Where are the succession reactions tho?
Jaby should have said "snaks" and watch Acharas head explode...
Rachel’s casting was definitely a miss.
Fan of the original absolutely not one of this version. Not terrible but neither enjoyable
0:08 @CinePals May the reaction be ever in your favour! 🙂😁😎👍
Tom blyth daddy
Rachel Zegler has a good singing voice, but she failed to convey that she had gone through some trauma, when she’s back in District 12. She acted like nothing had happened to her, she was just all sunshine and lollypops.
Completely agree, I really disliked the accent!!
The book is 10x better than the movie!
Is that the snow woke?
You guys should have watched this in theatres. All you guys do is react to these movies for youtube. I mean i get it with older movies but i feel like u guys should be going out and supporting these films.
It's not that deep
@@Nightwolf_500 Probably not but thats just how i feel...
They're still supporting the movies if they're streaming them
@@oakcanary4040 Exactly
Nobody has any obligation to help movies get good box office numbers. If you choose to stream the movie when it’s available or purchase a hard copy you’re still paying for it 😂
I hope you had fun watching the adventures of handsome kid murder man and snow no so much white the movie
I didn't see it but they say it's pretty decent
Why are you guys covering s***y movies or shows when you have succession waiting?
Ah yes the critically acclaimed prequel of the most successful YA trilogy of all time is "shitty"
@@oakcanary4040I dunno about critically acclaimed lol. I am a massive hunger games fan, and love the books and this movie, but the reception was Luke warm at best and got a moderately successful box office result.
@@davidfairweather3301I think he meant the franchise as a whole
@@TheIqram12 nah they said “critically acclaimed prequel” lol
@@vikramprasanna8908 just as delusional as calling it sh***y, but hey, negativity and bitterness is more preferred than being positive about something, right?