It's a double edged sword because if they don't take the medication, they could be suffering. With medication, they're not suffering, but they're not living either. Having a good day? It's going too good, the drop will be worse than usual, take a pill so at least I can survive. Go through life on autopilot because it hurts less than feeling everything.
Chinchilla’s line “Take this one wash it down and you’ll be fine. The feeling goes and you draw a chalk outline.” Hits the nail on the head. The antidepressants, actually most of the psychiatric medicines, help to dampen the depression but in doing so they dampen everything. My experience with most of them was exactly this. I was still depressed. It didn’t leave I just didn’t feel it anymore along with happiness, joy, excitement, and just plain sadness. I really did feel like a walking chalk outline. Emotionally dead inside and putting on a smile hoping no one else would notice. 😐
Some helpful hints are that Ren is big with symbolism. At the beginning of the video, he's walking through what may look like the basement of a psych hospital. Of course, the white garb they're both wearing is another symbol for a psych ward. The flashing bulb is another eery element. Ren never uses any extraneous words - nor backdrops. His attention to detail is immaculate.
Are you guys familiar with Ren's past issues with his medical condition? Not everybody does at first, but it's an important context to a lot of his music. "Hi Ren", "Sick Boi", "Chalk Outlines", "Seven Sins", "Wicked Ways", "The Hunger", "Genesis", etc., etc all make references to his experiences in different degrees from a decade of misdiagnosis and being medicated for conditions he didn't initially have that were created by or exacerbated by the Medical industry's mismanagement of his actual condition (Lymes Disease). He continues to receive treatments in Canada to try and reclaim some of what his untreated condition took from him over many years. For many, many years his body was in pain and he knew something was wrong, and he was gaslit over and over again by "professionals" telling him it was all in his head. ✌, ❤, & Ren 🙏
@@beckthter for sure, just putting it out there b/c there was a lot of back and forth speculation as to this song's potential meaning to Ren and why it was written. 🫶🏼
I feel that the serious nature of his physical illness being masked by mental health treatment is important to Ren's story. Its why he goes into such detail in Seven Sins He would not have become chronically ill maybe if they had treated him as more than a depressed person being in bed 23hrs a day is serious Depression is in need of correct help too. But anyone in severe pain is likely to be depressed especially if not believed and listened too.
It’s primarily about depression. While you could compare it to drug or alcohol use, “setraline and a sip of seratonin” is referring to a type of anti depressant
As A person who struggled with depression and anxiety turn on my life I’ve been prescribed many different medication‘s for both, I understand the song perfectly. Does absolutely about depression and anxiety and what those medication‘s do to a person. They help lift those symptoms but at the same time it is widely known and through experience that they tamper down all emotions sometimes negative and positive and you almost become unfeeling, or almost like a dead person. Hence walking around in a chalk outline means you’re walking around technically still alive but you really feel dead on the inside or on the edge of that as with trying to breathe at the gallows. Chinchilla says sertraline and a sip of serotonin, not just sipping on serotonin! Sertraline is a common anti-depressant that can help but results in the feeling of dead emotions hence feeling dead inside. There is no hope in the song. Pushing that pain back down with a “ great big smile“ is almost sarcastic. Not allowing yourself to feel that smile once in a while as you may have thought, but since we can’t feel those emotions it’s putting that big smile on your face to hide the pain from other people so they think you’re OK. When it said it’s a beautiful day but take it just in case, as with my anxiety medication, you continue to take it because no matter how beautiful something might seem at the moment that anxiety or depression can hit hard at any moment and you have to be prepared. Being scared to be OK is referring to that fear and anxiety that gets heightened if you let yourself feel OK because you know that that low is coming at any second again. Thanks for reacting to this incredibly beautiful song and we can’t forget to shout out to their incredible voices and harmony! ❤🙏🏻
His Docs were giving him wrong meds, because they mis diagnosed his illness. Years later all the Docs did for him were the absolute worst thing they could have done. Finally he was correctly diagnosed and began to see hope. God bless Ren!
They're both incredible vocalist, but together?? Remarkable! Ren has such a way of highlighting his features/collabs without overshadowing them. He is just brilliant!
@@Mhantrax Could be multiple things, really. Could be as in, being alive but not living. Or walking around slowly killing yourself with medication. Or just feeling empty and emotionless. The reason i stopped treatment with antipsychotics and remain unmedicated, is that they made me feel like a zombie. I was alive and breathing but it felt like i barely existed. I would regularly just sit and stare into a wall or at an object, basically just running on idle mode. It was hell, felt like my personality, what made me.... me, was just fading away, being replaced by an autopilot. Being unmedicated, i may struggle more with my mental health, as i'm not getting sedated on the daily but i feel like a person again, i feel like "me" now. Some days are quite difficult but it's better than being a drugged zombie without a care in the world. Sorry for the rant btw lol
What a thoughtful reaction and great how songs can be interpreted in many ways. From what I understand and heard through various interviews when Ren was misdiagnosed for years for his Lyme's disease the medical industry were giving him different pills which made him feel dead (sometimes psychotic) as if he wasn't real. Then sometimes he'd feel a bit better but as he says take it just in case because he has mentioned before he'd get a brief time of being a little better then going right back to being extremely unwell again which I guess leads to self doubt as you would obviously think as soon as you feel better you didn't trust it would last so take your medication just in case even though the medication would ultimately take the potential of a beautiful day and make you feel erased like after the body had been removed from a chalk outline that's all that remains 🎶🧡🔥👩🦰
@user-qj5lc8bm2m you are erased from life bedbound with the illness. Medication madness is a thing. He had the contract with Sony, then was so ill. He was in bed for a year. Thought he would die. Like a dead person. But alive. Gradually he found treatment Pulled himself out of illness. Still getting stemcell treatment to stay well. Maybe it'll not go away for good. Invisible illnesses take person out of sight away from the world they crave
@@Qalibrated I agree with you. I think the drugs they're talking about are drugs that were prescribed- certraline is an antidepressant, I found my personality was suppressed while I was on antidepressants so, I arranged with my doc to wean myself off them as soon as I could because, as you said, your personality is what makes you you. Hope you're doing ok. Good for you for holding onto your personality- it's important!
You're both right. That's the beauty in Rens lyrics and exactly why they resonate with so many people. Because what they mean is to everyone themselves. It's up to everyones interpretations and feelings and there is no correct or incorrect interpretation, it is what it is, it feels what it feels, it reminds you of what it reminds you. All different experiences, all different stories but still so relatable to so many people. Sure, you're twins, but you're still seperate people. What someone interprates or feels at certain lyrics is valueable and beautiful. It's so awesome that Ren can "trigger" so different experiences and feelings with the same outcome - you're touched and feel emotional. Besides that I have to ask (though I don't expect an answer, because obviously it's personal and none of my business): Did anything happen between you guys in the last 1-2 weeks? If so, you should talk about it - with each other obviously, not with us. Be honest with yourself and your brother. Share whats bothering you. Your relationship is the most valuable thing you got. Don't risk it because you don't know how to phrase something that is bothering you.
As a survivor of a decade of depression, this hits deep. The 'chalk outline', to me, is when you take anti depressants, you totally level out your emotions.. never truly happy, never truly sad.. it kills who you were. The drugs that you're thinking they're taking to escape, I think are prescribed.. having a shit day? Pop this valium..That's my understanding of the chalk outline, and it fits so perfectly into the narrative of this song. Beautiful. Great reaction, love you guys ❤
If you want to see a completely different side of ren, check out ren and his band called The Big Push. They have original music and covers, they used to do alot of busking.
Ren doesn't like to explain his lyrics too much so that different people can relate to his music within their own experience, just like you guys did. Great reaction.
You two absolutely kill me. My brother is not a twin, but he is my best friend. Has been my whole life, and he has the ability to get on my nerves more than anyone!.... I'm sure it's been commented already, but take into consideration the amount of prescription medications Ren had to endure before being properly diagnosed. Sometimes he'd start feeling better after a particular treatment or med, but he was always scared to get his hopes up.... Yes, it's art. It's our OWN personal connection and how we relate personally
All of these are one take, lives. The mixing is done by the walls. Ren's doctors were continually pushing new meds off on him all the while making his condition worse.
You've got most of it... it's live-sourced audio, then Ren does the mixdown on the audio (mixdowns are standard for music, however Ren's mixdowns are extraordinarily meticulous and VERY well-done). If you're interested in what he does, I can personally highly recommend his interview on the channel The Charismatic Voice where he talks in some detail about it, but not too technical to where laypeople (like myself) can understand what he's saying.
Your reaction summed up why I love Ren! He produces music that uncovers different interpretations and provokes discussion and emotion. It’s what lacks in so much of main stream music. Appreciate you ❤
SWEET!!! Knew this would come up soon, I know this is gonna be good!!! 🙏 If you guys want some more awesome collabs on the lighter side of Ren, I highly recommend a couple Renegade favorites: "The Big Push - I Shot the Sheriff/Road to Zion/Hip Hop" (look for the thumbnail of Ren in the RED SUSPENDERS), or one of his collabs with Sam Thompkins, particularly "Ren & Sam Tompkins - Earned it /Mans World / Falling"
@@jessietucker9342that's a good one as well (aren't they all?) , but I opted for those because they're closer genre-wise to they appear to be into, going off their reactions and their own music. :)
You both are right to feel what ever you felt with this. This one took me with my journey of depression and mental health. It’s a perfect day but just take that tablet just incase. Just incase things turn shit. Medication makes every one a walking chalk outline. You numb your feelings because the drs have told you that you need to take this. But what if you could be happy without it? The fear of not taking them and feeling good. There’s always that fear that if you let yourself feel hope, you’re going to fall on that noose you’re balancing on anyway. Sertraline and a sip of serotonin is about the drug Zoloft. That little hit of serotonin with each tablet but you eventually become numb. No point in crying to the dr because there’s a pill for everything. Gaslit by drs into taking meds for everything. Either was you look at this, I can’t get through it without crying. Chinchilla is a perfect balance for Ren and vice versa. I blast this and sing her part because this is my genre I live in. Fospel 😊 Great upload again. I’m glad you both felt different things and talked it through. Also, Ren had said he will never fight the copyright infringement if people are doing reactions and just feel compelled to listen without stopping. A little note you should have had for Jenny and Screech. Our bad for that. Thank you for another brilliant upload. We know it takes a lot of work to get us these. We are really grateful you exist. xx Much love to you both. ❤❤
To me it's about how while experiencing depression, you're medicated (antidepressants) just to feel ok, just to be able to bury your pain with a smile. To add to that, sometimes we add a habit (like smoking) just to help deal with things. Chinchillas first line was "Sertaline and a sip of serotonin" sertraline is an antidepressant. So when you are medicated, your own personality is erased and you become an outline of a person. You're floating around because the meds have made you feel numb. "Such a perfect day, take it just incase" .. some days you feel like you're ok but you cant stop taking the meds, you have to take them "just incase". I know I've also been afraid to be happy because of the fear of it all going away. Instead of being able to enjoy the moment, you become fearful of depression taking over again. That's my take. Love your reactions, guys. I'm sure we can claim you two as RENegades at this point 😄. Peace and love ✌️
I'm the husband of someone with a chronic illness, and part of the treatment over the years was the medication mentioned in the song, as well as other stronger things. For a significant amount of time the stuff she was being prescribed put her out of it mentally and emotionally--but she needed it just to get through the day most of the time. From this perspective, I see the song as that mournful lament of living in that way: taking the necessary medications you need to live can also remove you from living life like normal. A chalk outline defines something real, but then the body must be removed from that scene and all that is left is the chalk outline. So it defines and erases at the same time. My bride had days where she was "better" and yet, she knew she still needed to take the required meds so they would continue built up in her system for when she wasn't doing so great. It's that love/hate relationship with a chronic illness--you are a victim of the cure inasmuch as you are victim of the disease.
As someone who has had mental breakdowns and suffers with anxiety and depression, the line about being scared to feel ok because everything changes rings true, because you can be crippled with depression and then be in a period of feeling ok but your scared to enjoy it and be in that moment because at the drop of a hat it could change and your suffering again. Also when you have chronic pain or symptoms of certain conditions, you may physically be ok one day and then in excruciating pain again the next - Ren experiences both of those - physical and emotional pain. When he’s fine he creates but he has had periods of time when he has been in so much physical pain that he couldn’t even stand in the shower or leave his bed! Also, when you live with chronic pain that leads to depression and anxiety and you fear being able to even leave the house because of your symptoms. It is a very deeply sad but beautiful song expressing where many people are in the lives for whatever reason. It could also describe how an addict feels, that too fits, that’s what makes REN’s music so good, because people relate.
*How to Be Me Live Ren X Chinchilla There are 2 separate busking videos with Ren X Chinchilla 1. Sexual Healing 2. One Dance/Drunk In Love (Drake/Beyonce Cover) Ren "Halftime" Nas Retake was released a couple of hours avo Chinchilla is releasing "MF Diamond" tomorrow!💙💙💙💎💎💎
Do ren and sam tompkins blind eyed mc sessions its a live performance its absolutely amazing and i never see any reactors do it please be one of the first! Make sure u pic the mc session its indoors much bettter audio than the live outdoor one
Thank you both for the honest, insightful and knowledgeable reactions. Specially The ones for Ren's, performances which are always, lovely ever-changing moods. Cheers mates.
You both had beautiful interpretations of the song. This is what I love the most about Ren, he's never going to tell you what any of his work means to him. Instead of defining it, he wants everyone to see, and take from it, what they need. That being said, my thoughts on this one align more with Trix's. I've been through a lot in my life. Any time things are going well, I find it suspicious. Such a perfect day, it's a beautiful shame because I'm not enjoying it. I'm waiting for that other shoe to drop. I'm waiting for something to go wrong because in my experience it usually does and if I'm on guard and expecting it then it's gonna hurt less when it happens. I know that's no way to live and I'm working on it because it really can make me feel like a shell of a person sometimes.
Every sounds and vocal you hear in a Ren video is live. Nothing is added post production. That chair at the beginning is live on the spot. Ren has done an interview that goes over all this
The way I see certain lyrics: A new habit is taking the psych meds. Erasing yourself in a chalk outline is because your walking around partially numbed from those meds. It's such a beautiful day, such a beautiful shame is because of the numbing down it's a shame you can't enjoy that beautiful day as much, but if you skip the meds enough to enjoy those days you will fall further down into your depression So you need to take them just incase.
To me the “it’s such a perfect day I’m scared of being ok, because all things change” To me I feel like it’s when you’re so used to things being hard and going wrong. That when you feel like you’re going ok and having a good day you’re just waiting for something to go wrong so you can’t really enjoy it. That’s why you’re scared of being ok because you’re waiting on whatever is going to take that from you. Because it always does it’s always changes at some point. That’s just what I felt but that’s the great thing about Ren he wants his fans/ppl who listen to and love his music to get what they get from it. :)
@@StrawhatDynasty definitely 👍🏼 Great music gets feeling across but each person because of their life experiences is going to feel it a little differently.
The thing I loved about this reaction is it is a perfect reflection of how different people get something different out of the same piece of music. Discussing and exchanging ideas. Thanks guys. 💜
i got 20 yrs of depression and addiction on u guys. push ut back down with a new habit. pushing the uneasiness of existence down to cope. it doesnt last long just for a while. i am killing myself with a great big smile to fool the world
this song relates heavily to someone with depression, the pills being antidepressants or other types of mood stabilizers. as someone who used to be on zoloft, it made me less depressed, sure. but it took away all the other feelings too. I stopped taking it because I couldn't stand feeling like an emotionless robot. I couldn't feel happy or sad or angry or any other emotion you can think of... I was just empty, like a chalk outline.
I think this is the beauty of true art...which is what Ren makes...every person has their own ideas and opinions based on your experience, this just makes his music so universal. You don't have to have gone through exactly what he did to relate to his music. I love that you had different opinions...ahh...the beauty of real music! Thank you for sharing!
Chinchilla is amazing!! This song introduced me to her. She is so beautiful and different and talented. Sort of like a female Ren. She just released a new song and it is ah-may-zing!! It’s called MF Diamond 💎 And it is absolute fire 🔥 You guys should definitely check it out!
I think he meant by taking one just incase is that he's trying to do without those pills but he knows something is going to happen to where he is feeling so horrible again that he wished he took the pill. Hence take it just in case because all things change. The chalk outline seems to be referencing what a person feels like when they take certain medication for depression and/or anxiety. They feel like they are floating in a chalk outline almost ready to escape this reality.
**ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED** congratulations! You have discovered new ren friend chinchilla! She is also fantastic and has some other good collabs with ren and some amazing solo stuff 😊💜💜
Love how the camera, which floats around Ren, embodies the creation of 'chalk outlines'. Dont think I've ever noticed anyone comment on this observation before in other reactions, so just wanted to add my 2 cents 😂. Love your reactions to Ren guys ❤
Ren and Chinchilla have referred to each other as musical siblings. Ren surrounds himself with super-talented independent artists. Chinchilla, Sam Tompkins, his band-mates from The Big Push. You could go down reaction rabbit-holes for any of them and not be disappointed. Love your takes on his work. Keep it up.
Sertraline is better known as Zoloft, an SSRI commonly used as an antidepressant. This song is about how depression is often treated from a pharmaceutical standpoint, and how it can make people feel. SSRIs can make people feel "dead inside". In short, life has its ups and downs. When you're depressed you feel like you're drowning or suffocating. The pills help, but the effect is temporary in many cases. Every day taking the pills can be hard, and give you that "dead inside" feeling, but the fear of the alternative; being miserable or even suicidal; may be what forces you to take the antidepressant (I'm scared of being OK, 'cause all things change)...
This song in particular is very open to interpretation. It relates to most people in one way or another. What it means to Ren isn't as important as what it means to each one of us. He has said this before. That's why Ren rarely talks about the meaning in his lyrics. One other thing. In almost every song of Ren's there is a juxtaposition within the lyrics, instrumentals or both. The Ying Yang, light dark, dispair and hope.
Nice one guys, it was really interesting seeing the 'twinsense' a bit out of synch! Loved your discussion. I love the build up to this one, the atmospheric scene setting reminds me how Pink Floyd often draw you into their songs but musically in their case. My take is that it's about dealing with depression with medication, how empty it can make you feel and how 'feeling ok' is only temporary. I don't feel there's much hope or optimism expressed, sadly. The smile is just for show, standing on tip toes in the noose is how close to the edge you feel. I think (possibly???) the chalk outline gets drawn when you take your meds, you walk around in it while the meds are working, not really feeling alive, then they wear off and the chalk outline gets erased so you start over again with the meds, maybe different ones? They are so good together it's really special, I couldn't have imagined such chemistry. You have to check out 'How to be me' live, I think it's even better than this! Cheers
Two more to watch: Ren and chinchilla together, How to be me (live) Chinchilla solo, fingers (live) As far as the drug aspect goes, there's a pill for everything, i think Is more if you go to a doctor about anything, its just here's a pill, take this three times a day, you'll be fine.
I see this song as another inner battle. I think they're both wearing all white for a reason. And if you notice, they're not singing with each other, they're singing at each other. They're both saying the same words, but I think each character is conveying something totally different. Do with that what you will.
Many of us felt very emotional when hearing this song . Even their voices can make you emotional. Also each person may interpret a engagement differently, and of course you will bring yourself into any interpretation. It was interesting to see how you differed.
I’m happy you have now found chinchilla… lets she you react to things like…. ‘Little Girl Gone’, ‘Cut You Off’ and for sure ‘Fingers Live (hunger tv) ‘
One of my favorites of Ren. Setraline is also know as Zoloft. Which is a serotonin reuptake inhibitor. I think that may be the first time I've heard a medication name put so beautifully into lyrics. He is a master of words.
chinchillas first line "sertraline and a sip of saratonin" sertraline is an anti-depressant and sometimes used for anxiety. one of the side effects is loss of emotion.
Its about over medicating by medical profession and how it makes you feel. Ren was misdiagnosed and very ill with low quality of life for around 7 years - You could get to know Ren by reacting to his "Defining Success" video . He wrote a thank you speech to celebrate him reaching 1 million subscribers
its about certain adverse effects of prescripted anti depressants = when then people don´t feel being themselves anymore and sort of emotionally numb as side effect = "kinda dead inside" = "chalk outline"
"Chalk outline" has several meanings. It brings to mind the chalk outlines drawn around bodies at crime scenes but also pills are usually mostly made of chalk.
It's about mental health. How they tell you to take a pill and your be ok. Burying yrself with a great big smile is the face you put on when yr dead inside but the meds put on that fake smile. There's a pill for everything that's wrong with you. Not about a person on drugs.
Could be talking about endless things,hi Ren fading out poem comes to my mind.But that was his hope with his two and throw.his music finding people who respect it.Thanks to ren I feel hes opend my eyes to limes disease! My drs have not been able to say anything to me but Ren definitely does, so so much Ty Ren
Man where's the "TWIIIN SENNNNSE!" in this one?! 😅😆 Nah for real you guys quickly became one if the reactors i most look forward to! Some of the most genuine breakdowns on youtube! Hugs to both of you bros!
His lyrics usually refer to his own life. And "sertraline" is an anti-depressant and serotonin is a neurotransmitter. This song is about depression, how it feels and the struggle to get out of it. "Little by little…I push it back down with a new habit" doesn’t refer to drugs as a habit can be anything that distracts oneself, shopping, sex, the internet.
It's about how anti depressants make you feel numb, dead inside like you're a zombie, walking around in a chalk outline. It based on his experience with particular meds!!!
Ren writes about himself and his struggles with his illnesses, depression, Lymes disease and his life in general. However he also writes in such a way that others can relate. Seretonin is a drug that naturally occurs in the brain and I believe certain prescribed medications used for anxiety and depression use that process in the brain to calm the negative feelings in the patient.
The amazing thing about this song is I have heard as many opinions of what the chalk outlines represent as what I have watched reactions. . .and none of them are wrong. The way we can all relate to the outlines based on our own circumstances is my favourite part of the song.
Medication is turning people into the walking dead = walk around in floating chalk outlines
It's a double edged sword because if they don't take the medication, they could be suffering. With medication, they're not suffering, but they're not living either. Having a good day? It's going too good, the drop will be worse than usual, take a pill so at least I can survive. Go through life on autopilot because it hurts less than feeling everything.
Chinchilla is another rabbit hole worth diving into
Totally, the expressiveness of her voice is insane!
New Chinchilla track drops tomorrow! "MF Diamond"
Fingers (live) is a must
Chinchilla’s line “Take this one wash it down and you’ll be fine. The feeling goes and you draw a chalk outline.” Hits the nail on the head. The antidepressants, actually most of the psychiatric medicines, help to dampen the depression but in doing so they dampen everything. My experience with most of them was exactly this. I was still depressed. It didn’t leave I just didn’t feel it anymore along with happiness, joy, excitement, and just plain sadness. I really did feel like a walking chalk outline. Emotionally dead inside and putting on a smile hoping no one else would notice. 😐
Check out their other collab ‘How to be me’ live it maybe even better. Also check out the live version of ‘Fingers’ by Chinchilla.
Please do this one next 🙏
I second this!
Me three
Me four!!! 😂
Some helpful hints are that Ren is big with symbolism. At the beginning of the video, he's walking through what may look like the basement of a psych hospital. Of course, the white garb they're both wearing is another symbol for a psych ward. The flashing bulb is another eery element. Ren never uses any extraneous words - nor backdrops. His attention to detail is immaculate.
White is also the color of death in Chinese culture
Are you guys familiar with Ren's past issues with his medical condition? Not everybody does at first, but it's an important context to a lot of his music. "Hi Ren", "Sick Boi", "Chalk Outlines", "Seven Sins", "Wicked Ways", "The Hunger", "Genesis", etc., etc all make references to his experiences in different degrees from a decade of misdiagnosis and being medicated for conditions he didn't initially have that were created by or exacerbated by the Medical industry's mismanagement of his actual condition (Lymes Disease). He continues to receive treatments in Canada to try and reclaim some of what his untreated condition took from him over many years. For many, many years his body was in pain and he knew something was wrong, and he was gaslit over and over again by "professionals" telling him it was all in his head. ✌, ❤, & Ren 🙏
I’m pretty sure they said they did some research after their first or second react
@@beckthter for sure, just putting it out there b/c there was a lot of back and forth speculation as to this song's potential meaning to Ren and why it was written. 🫶🏼
very well explained.
Great comment especially about him being gas lighted - that's exactly what it was - and happens way to much
I feel that the serious nature of his physical illness being masked by mental health treatment is important to Ren's story. Its why he goes into such detail in Seven Sins
He would not have become chronically ill maybe if they had treated him as more than a depressed person being in bed 23hrs a day is serious
Depression is in need of correct help too. But anyone in severe pain is likely to be depressed especially if not believed and listened too.
Ren's described the chalk outline as just being the shape of the person. The real you has been erased, though you look the same.
It’s primarily about depression. While you could compare it to drug or alcohol use, “setraline and a sip of seratonin” is referring to a type of anti depressant
As A person who struggled with depression and anxiety turn on my life I’ve been prescribed many different medication‘s for both, I understand the song perfectly. Does absolutely about depression and anxiety and what those medication‘s do to a person. They help lift those symptoms but at the same time it is widely known and through experience that they tamper down all emotions sometimes negative and positive and you almost become unfeeling, or almost like a dead person. Hence walking around in a chalk outline means you’re walking around technically still alive but you really feel dead on the inside or on the edge of that as with trying to breathe at the gallows. Chinchilla says sertraline and a sip of serotonin, not just sipping on serotonin! Sertraline is a common anti-depressant that can help but results in the feeling of dead emotions hence feeling dead inside. There is no hope in the song. Pushing that pain back down with a “ great big smile“ is almost sarcastic. Not allowing yourself to feel that smile once in a while as you may have thought, but since we can’t feel those emotions it’s putting that big smile on your face to hide the pain from other people so they think you’re OK. When it said it’s a beautiful day but take it just in case, as with my anxiety medication, you continue to take it because no matter how beautiful something might seem at the moment that anxiety or depression can hit hard at any moment and you have to be prepared. Being scared to be OK is referring to that fear and anxiety that gets heightened if you let yourself feel OK because you know that that low is coming at any second again. Thanks for reacting to this incredibly beautiful song and we can’t forget to shout out to their incredible voices and harmony! ❤🙏🏻
Both of you giving those disagreeing faces got me lmao 😂
I love how music can be interpreted different ways, even by twin sense!
His Docs were giving him wrong meds, because they mis diagnosed his illness. Years later all the Docs did for him were the absolute worst thing they could have done. Finally he was correctly diagnosed and began to see hope. God bless Ren!
They're both incredible vocalist, but together?? Remarkable! Ren has such a way of highlighting his features/collabs without overshadowing them. He is just brilliant!
Every single time, with every single collab, even behind the scenes with videographers/filmmakers Sam, Luke Flegg, etc.
Chinchilla co-wrote this masterpiece!
People reduced to chalk outlines are empty/dead inside.
Add to that, perhaps it is the depression medication that is part of these empty chalk outlines.
@@Mhantrax Could be multiple things, really. Could be as in, being alive but not living. Or walking around slowly killing yourself with medication. Or just feeling empty and emotionless. The reason i stopped treatment with antipsychotics and remain unmedicated, is that they made me feel like a zombie. I was alive and breathing but it felt like i barely existed. I would regularly just sit and stare into a wall or at an object, basically just running on idle mode. It was hell, felt like my personality, what made me.... me, was just fading away, being replaced by an autopilot.
Being unmedicated, i may struggle more with my mental health, as i'm not getting sedated on the daily but i feel like a person again, i feel like "me" now. Some days are quite difficult but it's better than being a drugged zombie without a care in the world. Sorry for the rant btw lol
What a thoughtful reaction and great how songs can be interpreted in many ways. From what I understand and heard through various interviews when Ren was misdiagnosed for years for his Lyme's disease the medical industry were giving him different pills which made him feel dead (sometimes psychotic) as if he wasn't real. Then sometimes he'd feel a bit better but as he says take it just in case because he has mentioned before he'd get a brief time of being a little better then going right back to being extremely unwell again which I guess leads to self doubt as you would obviously think as soon as you feel better you didn't trust it would last so take your medication just in case even though the medication would ultimately take the potential of a beautiful day and make you feel erased like after the body had been removed from a chalk outline that's all that remains 🎶🧡🔥👩🦰
@user-qj5lc8bm2m you are erased from life bedbound with the illness.
Medication madness is a thing.
He had the contract with Sony, then was so ill. He was in bed for a year.
Thought he would die.
Like a dead person. But alive.
Gradually he found treatment
Pulled himself out of illness.
Still getting stemcell treatment to stay well.
Maybe it'll not go away for good.
Invisible illnesses take person out of sight away from the world they crave
@@Qalibrated I agree with you. I think the drugs they're talking about are drugs that were prescribed- certraline is an antidepressant, I found my personality was suppressed while I was on antidepressants so, I arranged with my doc to wean myself off them as soon as I could because, as you said, your personality is what makes you you. Hope you're doing ok. Good for you for holding onto your personality- it's important!
Chinchilla has a new solo song coming out in 4 hours! Let's goooo!
Their chemistry is beautiful! Perfect connection.
You guys saw that Ren dropped a NAS halftime retake?? Crazy good! Bars on Bars!
You're both right. That's the beauty in Rens lyrics and exactly why they resonate with so many people. Because what they mean is to everyone themselves. It's up to everyones interpretations and feelings and there is no correct or incorrect interpretation, it is what it is, it feels what it feels, it reminds you of what it reminds you. All different experiences, all different stories but still so relatable to so many people. Sure, you're twins, but you're still seperate people. What someone interprates or feels at certain lyrics is valueable and beautiful. It's so awesome that Ren can "trigger" so different experiences and feelings with the same outcome - you're touched and feel emotional.
Besides that I have to ask (though I don't expect an answer, because obviously it's personal and none of my business): Did anything happen between you guys in the last 1-2 weeks? If so, you should talk about it - with each other obviously, not with us. Be honest with yourself and your brother. Share whats bothering you. Your relationship is the most valuable thing you got. Don't risk it because you don't know how to phrase something that is bothering you.
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It was co-written with Chinchilla!
As a survivor of a decade of depression, this hits deep. The 'chalk outline', to me, is when you take anti depressants, you totally level out your emotions.. never truly happy, never truly sad.. it kills who you were. The drugs that you're thinking they're taking to escape, I think are prescribed.. having a shit day? Pop this valium..That's my understanding of the chalk outline, and it fits so perfectly into the narrative of this song. Beautiful.
Great reaction, love you guys ❤
If you want to see a completely different side of ren, check out ren and his band called The Big Push. They have original music and covers, they used to do alot of busking.
Ren doesn't like to explain his lyrics too much so that different people can relate to his music within their own experience, just like you guys did. Great reaction.
You two absolutely kill me. My brother is not a twin, but he is my best friend. Has been my whole life, and he has the ability to get on my nerves more than anyone!.... I'm sure it's been commented already, but take into consideration the amount of prescription medications Ren had to endure before being properly diagnosed. Sometimes he'd start feeling better after a particular treatment or med, but he was always scared to get his hopes up.... Yes, it's art. It's our OWN personal connection and how we relate personally
Very interesting dynamic here.
You gotta know what REN has and is going through.
REN out here reducing everyone to tears. 😂
What a talent
All of these are one take, lives. The mixing is done by the walls. Ren's doctors were continually pushing new meds off on him all the while making his condition worse.
You've got most of it... it's live-sourced audio, then Ren does the mixdown on the audio (mixdowns are standard for music, however Ren's mixdowns are extraordinarily meticulous and VERY well-done). If you're interested in what he does, I can personally highly recommend his interview on the channel The Charismatic Voice where he talks in some detail about it, but not too technical to where laypeople (like myself) can understand what he's saying.
@@dropbarracuda Yep. With The Big Push busking videos, he forensically mixes everything esp the drums when every snare beat might be tweaked.
Very thoughtful reaction guys. Enjoyed going along for the ride 😊
yes 🙌 Same with me as a lyme and autoimmune warrior - Drs were doing more damage and I suffered psychosis also 😢🦠🦠🦠🦠
@@lisadavenport2390 It is true you are a warrior you struggle but fight on through battles - I wish the best for you 🎶🧡🔥👩🦰
Your reaction summed up why I love Ren! He produces music that uncovers different interpretations and provokes discussion and emotion. It’s what lacks in so much of main stream music. Appreciate you ❤
SWEET!!! Knew this would come up soon, I know this is gonna be good!!! 🙏 If you guys want some more awesome collabs on the lighter side of Ren, I highly recommend a couple Renegade favorites: "The Big Push - I Shot the Sheriff/Road to Zion/Hip Hop" (look for the thumbnail of Ren in the RED SUSPENDERS), or one of his collabs with Sam Thompkins, particularly "Ren & Sam Tompkins - Earned it /Mans World / Falling"
Make sure it is the angry park attendant.
@@jessietucker9342that's a good one as well (aren't they all?) , but I opted for those because they're closer genre-wise to they appear to be into, going off their reactions and their own music. :)
You both are right to feel what ever you felt with this.
This one took me with my journey of depression and mental health.
It’s a perfect day but just take that tablet just incase. Just incase things turn shit.
Medication makes every one a walking chalk outline. You numb your feelings because the drs have told you that you need to take this. But what if you could be happy without it?
The fear of not taking them and feeling good. There’s always that fear that if you let yourself feel hope, you’re going to fall on that noose you’re balancing on anyway.
Sertraline and a sip of serotonin is about the drug Zoloft. That little hit of serotonin with each tablet but you eventually become numb. No point in crying to the dr because there’s a pill for everything. Gaslit by drs into taking meds for everything.
Either was you look at this, I can’t get through it without crying. Chinchilla is a perfect balance for Ren and vice versa.
I blast this and sing her part because this is my genre I live in. Fospel 😊
Great upload again. I’m glad you both felt different things and talked it through.
Also, Ren had said he will never fight the copyright infringement if people are doing reactions and just feel compelled to listen without stopping. A little note you should have had for Jenny and Screech. Our bad for that.
Thank you for another brilliant upload. We know it takes a lot of work to get us these. We are really grateful you exist. xx
Much love to you both. ❤❤
To me it's about how while experiencing depression, you're medicated (antidepressants) just to feel ok, just to be able to bury your pain with a smile. To add to that, sometimes we add a habit (like smoking) just to help deal with things.
Chinchillas first line was "Sertaline and a sip of serotonin" sertraline is an antidepressant.
So when you are medicated, your own personality is erased and you become an outline of a person. You're floating around because the meds have made you feel numb.
"Such a perfect day, take it just incase" .. some days you feel like you're ok but you cant stop taking the meds, you have to take them "just incase".
I know I've also been afraid to be happy because of the fear of it all going away. Instead of being able to enjoy the moment, you become fearful of depression taking over again.
That's my take. Love your reactions, guys. I'm sure we can claim you two as RENegades at this point 😄. Peace and love ✌️
Sertraline is marketed under the brand name Zoloft in America.
I'm the husband of someone with a chronic illness, and part of the treatment over the years was the medication mentioned in the song, as well as other stronger things. For a significant amount of time the stuff she was being prescribed put her out of it mentally and emotionally--but she needed it just to get through the day most of the time. From this perspective, I see the song as that mournful lament of living in that way: taking the necessary medications you need to live can also remove you from living life like normal. A chalk outline defines something real, but then the body must be removed from that scene and all that is left is the chalk outline. So it defines and erases at the same time. My bride had days where she was "better" and yet, she knew she still needed to take the required meds so they would continue built up in her system for when she wasn't doing so great. It's that love/hate relationship with a chronic illness--you are a victim of the cure inasmuch as you are victim of the disease.
So well put.
The illness takes your life
Beautiful that you understood
Check out Chinchilla ' Fingers' live for Hunger tv I think it is.
And for sure How to be me live
Yeh, they are both amazing. Fingers is so damn good, but yeh, the live version.
As someone who has had mental breakdowns and suffers with anxiety and depression, the line about being scared to feel ok because everything changes rings true, because you can be crippled with depression and then be in a period of feeling ok but your scared to enjoy it and be in that moment because at the drop of a hat it could change and your suffering again. Also when you have chronic pain or symptoms of certain conditions, you may physically be ok one day and then in excruciating pain again the next - Ren experiences both of those - physical and emotional pain. When he’s fine he creates but he has had periods of time when he has been in so much physical pain that he couldn’t even stand in the shower or leave his bed! Also, when you live with chronic pain that leads to depression and anxiety and you fear being able to even leave the house because of your symptoms. It is a very deeply sad but beautiful song expressing where many people are in the lives for whatever reason. It could also describe how an addict feels, that too fits, that’s what makes REN’s music so good, because people relate.
This was recorded live and Ren mixed it himself later. He has a knack for choosing settings with great acoustics. I enjoy your reactions!
That’s what I thought he did! Thanks!
*How to Be Me Live Ren X Chinchilla
There are 2 separate busking videos with Ren X Chinchilla
1. Sexual Healing
2. One Dance/Drunk In Love (Drake/Beyonce Cover)
Ren "Halftime" Nas Retake was released a couple of hours avo
Chinchilla is releasing "MF Diamond" tomorrow!💙💙💙💎💎💎
Ah yay. I'm glad you guys liked it. They have another song together 😁
and more on the way i do believe :)
Bro on the left really got this 🙏🙏🙏
Do ren and sam tompkins blind eyed mc sessions its a live performance its absolutely amazing and i never see any reactors do it please be one of the first! Make sure u pic the mc session its indoors much bettter audio than the live outdoor one
Thank you both for the honest, insightful and knowledgeable reactions. Specially The ones for Ren's, performances which are always, lovely ever-changing moods. Cheers mates.
You both had beautiful interpretations of the song. This is what I love the most about Ren, he's never going to tell you what any of his work means to him. Instead of defining it, he wants everyone to see, and take from it, what they need. That being said, my thoughts on this one align more with Trix's. I've been through a lot in my life. Any time things are going well, I find it suspicious. Such a perfect day, it's a beautiful shame because I'm not enjoying it. I'm waiting for that other shoe to drop. I'm waiting for something to go wrong because in my experience it usually does and if I'm on guard and expecting it then it's gonna hurt less when it happens. I know that's no way to live and I'm working on it because it really can make me feel like a shell of a person sometimes.
Every sounds and vocal you hear in a Ren video is live. Nothing is added post production. That chair at the beginning is live on the spot. Ren has done an interview that goes over all this
Great reaction guys - wait until you see ren and chinchilla busking awesome love and respect from the UK 👍👍😀😀🌟 amazing channel 👍
The way I see certain lyrics: A new habit is taking the psych meds. Erasing yourself in a chalk outline is because your walking around partially numbed from those meds. It's such a beautiful day, such a beautiful shame is because of the numbing down it's a shame you can't enjoy that beautiful day as much, but if you skip the meds enough to enjoy those days you will fall further down into your depression So you need to take them just incase.
To me the
“it’s such a perfect day I’m scared of being ok, because all things change”
To me I feel like it’s when you’re so used to things being hard and going wrong.
That when you feel like you’re going ok and having a good day you’re just waiting for something to go wrong so you can’t really enjoy it.
That’s why you’re scared of being ok because you’re waiting on whatever is going to take that from you.
Because it always does it’s always changes at some point.
That’s just what I felt but that’s the great thing about Ren he wants his fans/ppl who listen to and love his music to get what they get from it. :)
I agree it’s beautiful that people feel differently when they listen to music !
@@StrawhatDynasty definitely 👍🏼
Great music gets feeling across but each person because of their life experiences is going to feel it a little differently.
The thing I loved about this reaction is it is a perfect reflection of how different people get something different out of the same piece of music.
Discussing and exchanging ideas. Thanks guys. 💜
Such a beautiful performance. Ren and Chinchilla sound so fantastic together! Great reaction 💜💜
Please remember that this masterpiece was co-written by Chinchilla!
i got 20 yrs of depression and addiction on u guys. push ut back down with a new habit. pushing the uneasiness of existence down to cope. it doesnt last long just for a while. i am killing myself with a great big smile to fool the world
Another good collab with him and Chinchilla is How to be me, an emotional rollercoaster but beautifully written and performed
this song relates heavily to someone with depression, the pills being antidepressants or other types of mood stabilizers. as someone who used to be on zoloft, it made me less depressed, sure. but it took away all the other feelings too. I stopped taking it because I couldn't stand feeling like an emotionless robot. I couldn't feel happy or sad or angry or any other emotion you can think of... I was just empty, like a chalk outline.
Loved your discussion on this one, everyone feels different things in music and interprets stuff in different ways, and that was great to explore.
I think this is the beauty of true art...which is what Ren makes...every person has their own ideas and opinions based on your experience, this just makes his music so universal. You don't have to have gone through exactly what he did to relate to his music. I love that you had different opinions...ahh...the beauty of real music! Thank you for sharing!
The conversations the lyrics start, is always the goal.
just want to say love you guys, and the support you give to my favourite artist ever ❤❤
Chalk outlines is the fuzzy feeling your in in prescription drugs......
Chinchilla is amazing!!
This song introduced me to her.
She is so beautiful and different and talented.
Sort of like a female Ren.
She just released a new song and it is ah-may-zing!!
It’s called MF Diamond 💎
And it is absolute fire 🔥
You guys should definitely check it out!
Will get it it !
I think he meant by taking one just incase is that he's trying to do without those pills but he knows something is going to happen to where he is feeling so horrible again that he wished he took the pill.
Hence take it just in case because all things change.
The chalk outline seems to be referencing what a person feels like when they take certain medication for depression and/or anxiety. They feel like they are floating in a chalk outline almost ready to escape this reality.
**ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED** congratulations! You have discovered new ren friend chinchilla! She is also fantastic and has some other good collabs with ren and some amazing solo stuff 😊💜💜
Love how the camera, which floats around Ren, embodies the creation of 'chalk outlines'. Dont think I've ever noticed anyone comment on this observation before in other reactions, so just wanted to add my 2 cents 😂.
Love your reactions to Ren guys ❤
“Sertraline and a sip of serotonin”Setraline is a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) like, Zoloft. Antidepressants.
Ren and Chinchilla have referred to each other as musical siblings.
Ren surrounds himself with super-talented independent artists.
Chinchilla, Sam Tompkins, his band-mates from The Big Push.
You could go down reaction rabbit-holes for any of them and not be disappointed.
Love your takes on his work. Keep it up.
Sertraline is better known as Zoloft, an SSRI commonly used as an antidepressant. This song is about how depression is often treated from a pharmaceutical standpoint, and how it can make people feel. SSRIs can make people feel "dead inside".
In short, life has its ups and downs. When you're depressed you feel like you're drowning or suffocating. The pills help, but the effect is temporary in many cases. Every day taking the pills can be hard, and give you that "dead inside" feeling, but the fear of the alternative; being miserable or even suicidal; may be what forces you to take the antidepressant (I'm scared of being OK, 'cause all things change)...
12:36 yeah this song, the lyrics, the performance, their voices, everything, it’s like they reach into your soul.
Huggs for the both of you ❤
I believe it’s about taking SSRI’s (antidepressants) feeling you get when you’re on them.
My absolute favorite Ren Song, Chinchilla is a Goddess.
This song in particular is very open to interpretation. It relates to most people in one way or another. What it means to Ren isn't as important as what it means to each one of us. He has said this before. That's why Ren rarely talks about the meaning in his lyrics. One other thing. In almost every song of Ren's there is a juxtaposition within the lyrics, instrumentals or both. The Ying Yang, light dark, dispair and hope.
Nice one guys, it was really interesting seeing the 'twinsense' a bit out of synch! Loved your discussion. I love the build up to this one, the atmospheric scene setting reminds me how Pink Floyd often draw you into their songs but musically in their case.
My take is that it's about dealing with depression with medication, how empty it can make you feel and how 'feeling ok' is only temporary. I don't feel there's much hope or optimism expressed, sadly. The smile is just for show, standing on tip toes in the noose is how close to the edge you feel. I think (possibly???) the chalk outline gets drawn when you take your meds, you walk around in it while the meds are working, not really feeling alive, then they wear off and the chalk outline gets erased so you start over again with the meds, maybe different ones?
They are so good together it's really special, I couldn't have imagined such chemistry. You have to check out 'How to be me' live, I think it's even better than this! Cheers
Two more to watch:
Ren and chinchilla together, How to be me (live)
Chinchilla solo, fingers (live)
As far as the drug aspect goes, there's a pill for everything, i think Is more if you go to a doctor about anything, its just here's a pill, take this three times a day, you'll be fine.
grate reaction as usual
Great job boys!
Thank you ❤ Strawhat Dynasty ❤ for your 🐷 Ren X Chinchilla - 🎸🧑🎤💊 Chalk Outlines (live) reaction! #ren #chinchilla #chalkoutlines #live
I see this song as another inner battle. I think they're both wearing all white for a reason. And if you notice, they're not singing with each other, they're singing at each other. They're both saying the same words, but I think each character is conveying something totally different. Do with that what you will.
I can say as someone on a ton of meds, this song hits me in the feels hard. Damn big pharma
We pray that you gain the strength to over come our friend 🙏
Ren knows every dark dingy corner of Brighton and uses them for the acoustics lol
Nice react. Love your honesty.
His Band The Big Push also has a War Pig Cover... Blind Eye live MC sessions or the angry car park attendant version is great!! So many ren songs lol
Many of us felt very emotional when hearing this song . Even their voices can make you emotional.
Also each person may interpret a engagement differently, and of course you will bring yourself into any interpretation.
It was interesting to see how you differed.
I’m happy you have now found chinchilla… lets she you react to things like…. ‘Little Girl Gone’, ‘Cut You Off’ and for sure ‘Fingers Live (hunger tv) ‘
One of my favorites of Ren. Setraline is also know as Zoloft. Which is a serotonin reuptake inhibitor. I think that may be the first time I've heard a medication name put so beautifully into lyrics. He is a master of words.
Great reaction guys!! Ren is the best, no doubt.
ren love music it has 4 parts woth checking out. also his 2 songs depression and insomnia
chinchillas first line "sertraline and a sip of saratonin" sertraline is an anti-depressant and sometimes used for anxiety. one of the side effects is loss of emotion.
Its about over medicating by medical profession and how it makes you feel. Ren was misdiagnosed and very ill with low quality of life for around 7 years - You could get to know Ren by reacting to his "Defining Success" video . He wrote a thank you speech to celebrate him reaching 1 million subscribers
I still have no clue how this song isn't everywhere.
its about certain adverse effects of prescripted anti depressants = when then people don´t feel being themselves anymore and sort of emotionally numb as side effect = "kinda dead inside" = "chalk outline"
"Chalk outline" has several meanings.
It brings to mind the chalk outlines drawn around bodies at crime scenes but also pills are usually mostly made of chalk.
The sway got me 🔥 🫶
great stuff brothers.
I love when you disagree and both your points are valid and applicable
I like your reactions. I just don't have time for the longer ones all the time. Anyways... 😂❤
Love the twin's mindset
Great empaths ❤
I love how to be me by REN and Chinchilla. Should check it out when you have a chance.
It's about mental health. How they tell you to take a pill and your be ok. Burying yrself with a great big smile is the face you put on when yr dead inside but the meds put on that fake smile. There's a pill for everything that's wrong with you. Not about a person on drugs.
Could be talking about endless things,hi Ren fading out poem comes to my mind.But that was his hope with his two and throw.his music finding people who respect it.Thanks to ren I feel hes opend my eyes to limes disease! My drs have not been able to say anything to me but Ren definitely does, so so much Ty Ren
Man where's the "TWIIIN SENNNNSE!" in this one?! 😅😆
Nah for real you guys quickly became one if the reactors i most look forward to! Some of the most genuine breakdowns on youtube! Hugs to both of you bros!
😊 well done boyz
Both in white. Are they both angels?
His lyrics usually refer to his own life. And "sertraline" is an anti-depressant and serotonin is a neurotransmitter. This song is about depression, how it feels and the struggle to get out of it. "Little by little…I push it back down with a new habit" doesn’t refer to drugs as a habit can be anything that distracts oneself, shopping, sex, the internet.
Chinchilla is also an amazing artist solo, unique... Try fingers, cut you off, little girl gone.
It's about how anti depressants make you feel numb, dead inside like you're a zombie, walking around in a chalk outline. It based on his experience with particular meds!!!
Ren writes about himself and his struggles with his illnesses, depression, Lymes disease and his life in general. However he also writes in such a way that others can relate. Seretonin is a drug that naturally occurs in the brain and I believe certain prescribed medications used for anxiety and depression use that process in the brain to calm the negative feelings in the patient.
The amazing thing about this song is I have heard as many opinions of what the chalk outlines represent as what I have watched reactions. . .and none of them are wrong. The way we can all relate to the outlines based on our own circumstances is my favourite part of the song.
You made it fun 😂😂😂❤❤❤
Only here to like and watch long enough to count as a view... don't feel like crying today