Because they’re more accepting of everything overall. They’re children, they don’t know shit. Same reason 3rd graders don’t have any problems with their teachers’ weird sick gender identity.
Most kids are afraid to speak up to adults if they have a different opinion so they stay quite and do as they're told. It's not that hard to figure out.
Also, I would like to see some laws pass that give the father a say in if he would choose to raise the baby. Its time men were able to be brought into the conversation and given a platform.
Exactly! 💯 I think the pro aborts want to emasculate Men and keep them quiet on these issues, and they are doing a brilliant job of it. So many Men I know seem to go into a complete panic when confronted with this topic, as they've been shamed into silence by the feminazis! There are Men speaking out on this issue (and that's so wonderful) but we need more! 👏👍
Men do have a choice whether or not to raise a child. They can choose to be a father or they can choose to abandon the child. That choice always exists. But neither choice should alleviate their financial responsibility to that child.
@@queenkingacejack the point is that Men have ZERO say in whether their child gets aborted or not... the Woman doesn't even have to let the Guy know that he has made someone pregnant... she can just go and have the child killed. No laws ensure that the Father has any say in the matter watsoever. 😔
I think every person that touts "I am pro choice" should have to volunteer at an abortion clinic for a year and help preform the abortion meaning cleaning up the dismembered body parts, helping terminate the life of the babies that survived the abortion etc. The time for lack of consequences for your ideology is now over. Its time for accountability and no sympathy.
? if this would change anything .... so every physician must be pro? and is pro why? cause of duty, money, order? you can easily point out this thinking about war, world starving or slaughterhouses
I mean if all those doctors and nurses can clean up after murdered babies with no moral conflict what makes you think a majority of pro choicers would care?
When I was a young man, I contributed to NARAL and used all of the memes that the pro-abortion groups put out there. One pro-life couple even confronted me once and said that if my own parents aborted me, I wouldn't be here to promote abortion. I just said, "Well, I wouldn't know what I missed - a moot point." Well after really listening to the arguments I realized that the way pro-abortion/choice people live with their support is often by mentally blurring the actual process of the murder. And the method of choice is by flooding the mind with the 'woman's choice' mantra, which serves as the proverbial fingers in one's ears. You just avoid the real choice being made: violent murder of a living human being by diverting the mind with your own selfish desire. It works well and takes time to interrupt. And then people wake up... if they ever will. .
@@clairefrier2353 So, are you for showing ultrasounds to every woman who thinks abortions are their only alternative? Do you try to talk women out of abortion by providing them many other choices and support? Do you do everything you can (or want organizations) to offer every opportunity to not have an abortion? If your answer is no, then you are pro-abortion. Just your statement shows you know abortion is bad, but most people like yourself hide behind the lie of being pro-choice. They really aren't. And murdering children is not pro-choice. (Certainly not the choice of the child.) That's what I also hid behind. It's mostly a self delusion. And you will cling to it until you get in you gut what is truly going on. And the mantra, "a woman's choice", is how you plug up your proverbial ears to anesthesize your conscience. My brother and his wife realized this also in the past few years and now are strongly pro-life.
To be called pro- choice in your mind means to do what you want which abort a human being. It's like you're straddling the fence.So change to anti- abortion because you love life and were meant to have/ raise this child that God Himself created in it's mother's womb. ✝🙏🙇
@@clairefrier2353 Its clear you're gonna want the long argument so here goes: 1) If you don't think abortion is wrong/you can do whatever you want with your body, then describe to me what you're doing when you go through this procedure. Do you treat the baby as an object that needs extracted? Or something else? 2) If babies are not alive at the moment of conception, how are they able to grow? Guarantee you cannot answer this without sounding stupid.. 3) If you DO consider babies to be alive at the moment of conception, is it a part of you or something else? Because it requires two people to make one, it is most definitely not your creation alone. Even if it was, would you step on your own flowers you planted in a garden because you "couldn't find cheap soil"? Keep in mind strawman or hasty generalization arguments are not gonna fly. I don't want to hear about geopolitical issues with having children outside the country, or the foster care. It's their problem and has no affect on the consistency of my logic.
@@amenra6042 you seem to think I’m pro abortion, I’m not, I’m pro choice (there is a big difference) I also have compassion for the girl/woman who’s been raped. If she’s forced to carry a pregnancy to term, have you any idea what that could do to her mental health? No, because all pro life people care about, is the life of the baby, they couldn’t care less about the mothers.
It's not just the physical killing it's the fact that someone thinks it's okay to wipe out the existence of a coming life. People need to seriously humble themselves and stop playing God.
just answer this: if you were in a situation of death or life and you had to choose to save a little 3 year old who’s frightened and crying, or a box with 100 future babies that are not babies yet, they are like pre-fetus, which would you save?
@@catalinagriego You can answer that yourself because you are the one who will take even that 3 yrs old life because if you can kill 100 babies you can kill one more it won't be a problem for you many leftists even want to aid suicide. Life means nothing to you. Plus most women want to kill the baby even at 8 months when it does feel and can cry too!
The term pro-choice should not be used for pro-abortionists. I am a firm believer in having a choice, it is one of God's greatest gifts to humankind. Call them pro-abortiinists, so they can hear the truth of what they are standing for
The interesting question is why they are so resistant to using the word ‘abortion’: their dogged avoidance of it suggests they think there is actually something wrong with it.
Abortion will never be truly abolished as long as society continues to tolerate any form of artificial contraception and the contraceptive mentality in general. After all, abortion is the inevitable backup when those fail.
@FearlessAstridHofferson Then the answer is to simply not pursue sexual relations/acts. Or is that so unrealistic to follow? "But...but...but *mah orgasms!!"*
I agree Blue. The Sexual Revolution ruined everything. And when I learned about that, I looked back on my life and it all makes sense now. I was raped when I was in the army by a Marine and all this pressure to have sex was overwhelming for an innocent girl like me. There's no respect for a Woman's body from the Pro-abortion folks.
As long as we are heading back to the days of Chicago Cook County Hospital Ward 41, you'll NEVER win ME over! Overturning Roe vs Wade was the biggest mistake that SCOTUS made!
A major issue is that a news media and "educational" television that has yet to show or even describe an abortion. This is similar to issues like gun control where the media seldom reports historical big-state wars on their civilian populations, and you have the people who have never been in the military or even fired a gun or been an assault victim, having the most intractable attitudes.
The mother’s body isn’t getting torn to pieces and sucked through a tube. She isn’t deciding what’s happening to her body. She is choosing to terminate the body of her unborn child.
Retired physician here with experience in obstetrics/gynecology and pathology. Some who support abortion claim that life only begins when a baby takes its first breath at birth. They cite the Genesis account of God breathing life into the man whom He created. But the catch is that God utilized no egg, no sperm, and no womb when He created Adam from dust and Eve from Adam’s rib. Unborn babies, however, are a totally different matter, for they are very much alive in the womb. They develop, move and grow, cardiac motion is detected by ultrasound by five-six weeks, they suck their thumbs, hiccup, and though they receive oxygen and nutrients from the mother via the umbilical cord, they still “breathe” small amounts of amniotic fluid, FOR GOD HAS ALREADY GIVEN THEM LIFE IN THE WOMB. How can unborn babies move and grow, etc., if they are not alive in the womb? Yes, babies take their first breath of AIR when they are born, but they are most definitely ALIVE BEFORE they do so. Life begins at conception. Abortion is the murdering of innocent human life. Jesus does not mention abortion by name in any of His teachings. Therefore, some folks take that to mean that mankind may kill innocent, unborn babies through abortion at will. How utterly absurd! Such people either conveniently ignore or are unfamiliar with the Scripture that states: HANDS THAT SHED INNOCENT BLOOD ARE AN ABOMINATION UNTO GOD (PROVERBS 6:16-17). This passage certainly indicates that those who shed the blood of innocent, unborn babies through abortion, or who condone such heinous acts, are ABOMINATIONS unto God. Pro-choicers often cite Numbers 5 as “evidence” for abortion. In this chapter according to the KJV, the priest conducts a ritual to test for adultery, whereby a guilty woman is cursed: “The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell” (v. 21). Neither pregnancy nor abortion are specifically mentioned. On the other hand, the NIV implies miscarriage: “may the LORD cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell.” It is God Who causes the miscarriage, not man. The passage DOES NOT grant mankind permission to perform abortions. Pro-choicers also quote Hosea 13:16 as “evidence” for abortion. This passage describes the punishment that Samaria will suffer for rebelling against God: "they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up" (KJV). God destroyed the infants along with the adults, because He knew that when the infants grew to adulthood, they would be just as rebellious as their parents; in God's sight, those infants were not innocent. God would have none of that, so He destroyed them all, regardless of age. Harsh? Yes, but God is sovereign and holy and must be obeyed. As the Creator, God gives life and takes away life as He chooses. The Scripture said: "the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD" (Job 1:21b KJV). That DOES NOT mean we may take away life any time that suits us. We have NO permission from God to abort unwanted, unborn babies at will. Therefore, the passage above in Hosea has nothing to do with abortion. DO NOT apply human thoughts and actions to God. As God says, "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts" (Isaiah 55:8-9 KJV).
How to get a "pro-lifer" to dodge or contradict themselves or show themselves for a Taliban wanna-be.... Ask them to explain IN DETAIL how they would enforce a ban on abortion.
Medical records are one way of course. They are protected HIPPA though there are stipulations were they can be court ordered I believe. Circumstantial evidence could be used such as witnesses knowing she was pregnant and then chose to kill her unborn child. Someone who assisted or performed the abortion could testify against her I suppose. I’m not an attorney so those are just a couple thoughts that come to mind. With that said you are clearly trying to go somewhere with this so why not just come out and make your point? I’m respectfully interested.
@@ianalan4367 Okay, I'll skip ahead. I HAVE studied it and there is no way to prove in court that a woman had an abortion. If if there were scarring on the uterine wall (which would heal in a few days), that isn't proof of an abortion. Why would the person who performed it testify against her? Plus remember the Fifth Amendment? Plus, with RU-486, there IS no "person performing it", BUT the woman. She wouldn't testify against herself nor could she be forced to (again 5th Amend.) And here's the part you CANNOT deny...rich women can easily go to Europe to obtain one. How do you stop them? You can't...and you'll end up saying "So what? At least we'll prevent some of them."....yes, the ones for poor women. And in that admission, you'll admit you are actually "pro-choice"...when it comes to the wealthy or those who can afford it. Which is a typical position for a conservative...i.e. plutocratic.
Your post isn’t showing MA but read it via notifications. Abortion can and will be proven in court. Many will not. If your point is that just because abortion is made illegal doesn’t mean people won’t still get abortions I agree. Murder is illegal and people still commit murder. People still get away w commuting murder and the more money you have increases the chance you can get away w it. None of this has any bearing on the unborn child’s right to life though.
SAINT MICHAEL ARCHANGEL 09.02.2021 To Luz de Maria, Revelaciones Marianas (website and youtube) Some people feel disappointed by the expectation to which the Church is subject, feeling their hope diminished in the face of the power of evil that is unfolding in the world. They forget, however, that God does not abandon His People and allows what has been announced to happen. That is to say: impiety, heresies, lack of respect for what God represents, sacrileges, future persecutions, plagues, diseases, war, famines, great earthquakes and effects of nature.
are you seriously gonna use some catholic bullshit to say that woman can’t decide over their own bodies? please respectfully go to hell, if u ban abortion it will keep be happening, just unsafely
what if u get raped? what if the condom doesn’t work? what if the couple lived in a society in which they were never taught about sex ed (this might be a privilege to you. but let me remind you there are many people in the world who have no idea how to use a condom or that they have to wear it)
@@catalinagriego Valid point, I was speaking more from the responsibility end on both male and female. From what I have read Birth control is the larger majority of the cases. And I'm more a "do whatever the hell ya want just don't bother me" kind of guy. I have no children running around out there that wasn't wanted. just saying
@@catalinagriego so instead of fighting for more knowledgement about the consequences of sex in the world, you are saying that to solve the problem we have to kill babies. Also I heard so many "pro-choise" saying that even if a woman decides to kill the baby at 9 months she can do it because the problem could have been that her boyfriend left her. I understand its hard but that's just not wanting responsibility. We should work on other things like poverty or like lack of free medical assistance instead of fighting for woman "right" to kill a human life
@@katiada a baby it’s not a fetus, how is it so hard to understand. Besides, do you support that a woman has to stand the result of being raped for example? Because everyone talks about responsibility but what about that huh?
@@catalinagriego a fetus a living human being, it has a heart. The fact that people don't accept it as a living human being is just to convince their self that the act of killing it is not as bad as it is. About rape, yeah its disgusting and it's very sad that mostly women are victims of rape. Why don't we work more on rapes, instead of killing a human being?
“how to win arguments…” and this is how i realize this people only do this to win arguments and not bc they care about lives, because if they cared ab them they would respect women’s right to choose 💚
Yeah indeed is so disgusting that this people try so hard to open eyes to people that think that killing, murdering a human life just because "I can, and I have rights" is OK.
@@katiada it is not murdering, it is ending pregnancy, it’s a different thing. Besides, i want you to know that all pro-lifers want is an utopian reality, because it is impossible to stop abortions, and banning them will only make woman die. So let’s open our eyes and try to look for the safest option possible.
@@catalinagriego you know what really is impossible? Ending suffer. The nature is made like that, the lion eats the gazell ecc. The gazell dies suffering. Nowadays our society thinks that we should never suffer, and I wish it was like that but the reality is that is impossible. Pro-choise people think that we should end the suffer of a woman by ending a human life. It's selfish. It doesn't work like that in nature.
@@katiada You know what is sefish? To force women to born the product of their rapist, that is selfish. You know what is selfish? To force women to drop out of highschool because they have to born that fetus. You know what is selfish? TO FORCE WOMEN TO DIE IN THOSE ILLEGAL CLINICS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO OTHER OPTION THAN THAY. THAT IS SELFISH
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 When you said “Yes” to the Lord Jesus, you made your choice
Jesus wants you to repent of your sin and follow Him. He says few people will find the narrow path that leads to life. It’s time to deny yourself pick up your cross. Read the Bible, stop sinning, escape hell.
*God murdered babies all the time, it's just not a big deal to Him.* Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones. Deuteronomy 2:34 utterly destroyed the men and the women and the little ones. Deuteronomy 28:53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters. I Samuel 15:3 slay both man and woman, infant and suckling. 2 Kings 8:12 dash their children and rip up their women with child. 2 Kings 15:16 all the women therein that were with child he ripped up. Isaiah 13:16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. Isaiah 13:18 They shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children. Lamentations 2:20 Shall the women eat their fruit, and children. Ezekiel 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children. Hosea 9:14 give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. Hosea 13:16 their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. 2 Kings 10:30 God is greatly pleased with all of Jehu's killings, saying "because thou hast done well in executing that which is right in mine eyes, and hast done unto the house of Ahab according to all that was in mine heart [Jehu murdered them all], thy children of the fourth generation shall sit on the throne of Israel." God wants to be remembered forever for the mass murder of little children. Exodus 10:2
The is still more to discuss or do you think that saying murder just ends the conversation right there? I can most definitely put out some arguments but so I know where you're at with your thinking can you make a pro-choice argument besides "It's my body, it's my choice."
wehtawnikrap It’s not your body and never was, body belongs to God. Murder is murder no matter how you justify it. My house is my property I can murder anybody, right ? My country is my country, I can murder anybody, right ? Nope. End of story. What you are lacking is love toward other person and those who want to legalization of child murder are those who never experienced love, love is foreign to them. This is the root cause. Btw rape, prostitution, pre-marriage sex, pre-mature sex should be punished by death, I hope we agree with that. This is another root of problem people want to fix with murder.
@@danieljust295 Yes, tell me what I'm lacking like you know everything & can't even answer the question posed. I don't know if you are aware of how condescending & up yourself you sound. If you are saying that pre- marriage sex & prostitution warrants death isn't that far off from the extremist that say gay people deserve death because I bet you are pushing your religious views onto other people.
wehtawnikrap You see, this is your problem. You simply avoid taking consequences of your own acts. Two gays can’t cause abortion problem so not sure why you added them. If you believe in free sex then abortion is the consequence. America went through sexual revolution a few decades ago completely changing the society, this revolution was deliberate indoctrination which caused 50mln abortions (murders) - more than Nazis and Communist killed together. Can you see that ? People forgot that the ability to have sex was given to them so they can have children and enjoy having them, not to kill them. You live in the world of madness you are trying to justify abortion, but murder is murder regardless of how you justify it. Science blinds the minds of people “proving” them that human is just machine, electro-mechanical and self-programmed device and nothing else. No. We are given life and physical body by God who will later judge us what we have done with it. If you erase God form your mind (yes you can do it) then the hell breaks loose and you can justify your every act in your mind. This is the way to insanity, you start believing you do right by doing evil.
Because as a society we rightfully put such an intrinsic value on human life we deem there must be a moral justification to take one. So what is the moral justification for abortion? Why do you believe it is ok for a woman to kill the living human being developing inside her when we all agree she is not allowed to kill her newborn?
@@ianalan4367 Your moral justification and your beliefs are yours. I believe people live with their choices. I don't believe you have the right to interfere with mine or anyone elses. Even the church believes if you repent and atone for your sins you're forgiven. They just pick this one to rail against. Ironic since they never seemed to care about the millions of boys that priests have raped. Don't forget people get away with murdering people all the time. Are you just as outraged about that? And do we really put an intrinsic value on human life in our society? Do you see what people do to each other without even a second thought? Kids are shot up in school. People call each other pedophiles and groomers when they know it isn't true. They traffick each other. Women are raped. People attack other countries just becaues they can and they dig mass graves and shoot innocent people. The sad part is that these things are on constant repeat. So the "value on human life" in this society isn't intrinisic, it's fleeting.
If there was a cabin full of old people with dementia that nobody cared about, would you be ok with them being chemically burned, torn apart, and their skulls being crushed? Or would you see it as a human rights violation and be outraged? What’s the difference with that and abortion?
She does not understand the meaning of the word "choice". She thinks it means doing what others "think you should do". Actually, it is the pro life or no choice side, the one that tells people what they "think you should do", better yet, they are the ones who tell other what they MUST do which is force them to give birth under penalty of law.
I think everyone understand the meaning of the word choice. What seems to escape many is the reality of what that choice is. It is the choice to kill your own child in the womb or carry it to term and let it be born like the rest of us. Laws that state a mother cannot kill her newborn are not about taking away choice. It’s about protecting a human life.
It’s not about criminalizing the mother if she has an abortion, even if she tries to abort the baby herself. I don’t think any woman should be penalized for having an abortion. However I do think the big business of abortion needs to be stopped and doctors should not be allowed to kill babies. Selling baby parts is big business; the abortion industry pushes its service especially in poor, minority neighborhoods (which is a form of eugenics); and abortion is not a procedure without risk, physically and especially emotional.
You choose before the baby is even in the picture. Name one act that causes reproduction other than sex. I'll wait. Stop trying to divorce the biology of sex from reproduction. Leave your feelings at the door. Biology doesn't care why you have sex. Live sperm will still swim to a live egg. If a woman doesn't want to be pregnant why is she engaging in the only act that causes pregnancy? Is she stupid? Use that bodily autonomy correctly and you won't need an abortion.
Isn't that what abortion does? Forcing a death sentence on an innocent life. A life, but for abortion, is striving to live but others have deemed them unworthy, non-human and insignificant; therefore, deserving of death. This is evil. To disregard a human life to the same level as waste. That's some Hitler mind set right there.
@@7thewitness why is abortion murder when miscarriage is not? Both still result in the termination of life. Does that mean mothers who cannot medically carry to term babies and miscarry are murderers? It's kinda worse isn't it? Cus their bodies literally reject and force out the baby. Lol. Don't worry it's a rhetorical question. Pro-lifers make me laugh.
Why am I not surprised that middle schoolers are more respectful than college students when it comes to listening to people speak?
Because they stupid
If i made baby i have rightvto kill it f you!!!
Because they’re more accepting of everything overall. They’re children, they don’t know shit. Same reason 3rd graders don’t have any problems with their teachers’ weird sick gender identity.
I think that's a good question that shows where this world is going to and how the world is.
Most kids are afraid to speak up to adults if they have a different opinion so they stay quite and do as they're told. It's not that hard to figure out.
Also, I would like to see some laws pass that give the father a say in if he would choose to raise the baby. Its time men were able to be brought into the conversation and given a platform.
Exactly! 💯 I think the pro aborts want to emasculate Men and keep them quiet on these issues, and they are doing a brilliant job of it. So many Men I know seem to go into a complete panic when confronted with this topic, as they've been shamed into silence by the feminazis!
There are Men speaking out on this issue (and that's so wonderful) but we need more! 👏👍
Preach
Men do have a choice whether or not to raise a child. They can choose to be a father or they can choose to abandon the child. That choice always exists. But neither choice should alleviate their financial responsibility to that child.
@@queenkingacejack the point is that Men have ZERO say in whether their child gets aborted or not... the Woman doesn't even have to let the Guy know that he has made someone pregnant... she can just go and have the child killed. No laws ensure that the Father has any say in the matter watsoever. 😔
Chappelle said it best "If she can kill it, then the guy should have the right to abandon it"
💯Promote responsibility, not choice💪🏾
Thankful for this woman.
I like this woman
She is a hero. Very inspiring
@@ericko777
Why didn’t she point out that if we made abortions illegal, they would be performed in back alleys with dirty knives?
Amen 🙏🏻
How does she not like it if she hasn’t tried it?
@@jamestamz you dont have to go into a sewer to know it stinks right?
I think every person that touts "I am pro choice" should have to volunteer at an abortion clinic for a year and help preform the abortion meaning cleaning up the dismembered body parts, helping terminate the life of the babies that survived the abortion etc. The time for lack of consequences for your ideology is now over. Its time for accountability and no sympathy.
? if this would change anything .... so every physician must be pro? and is pro why? cause of duty, money, order?
you can easily point out this thinking about war, world starving or slaughterhouses
@@lllMacBethlll Looks like you support murder then.
Why should they?
I mean if all those doctors and nurses can clean up after murdered babies with no moral conflict what makes you think a majority of pro choicers would care?
@@thisisgettingold they’re just doing their job.
Gods blessings to you kristan
I have so much admiration for her
oh my god
Thank you for your excellent teaching
I’m glad I learned what it truly was when I was 10 at school. If I didn’t learn before than, god only knows who I would be
When I was a young man, I contributed to NARAL and used all of the memes that the pro-abortion groups put out there. One pro-life couple even confronted me once and said that if my own parents aborted me, I wouldn't be here to promote abortion. I just said, "Well, I wouldn't know what I missed - a moot point." Well after really listening to the arguments I realized that the way pro-abortion/choice people live with their support is often by mentally blurring the actual process of the murder. And the method of choice is by flooding the mind with the 'woman's choice' mantra, which serves as the proverbial fingers in one's ears. You just avoid the real choice being made: violent murder of a living human being by diverting the mind with your own selfish desire. It works well and takes time to interrupt. And then people wake up... if they ever will. .
I’m pro choice, but that doesn’t mean that I’m pro abortion.
@@clairefrier2353 So, are you for showing ultrasounds to every woman who thinks abortions are their only alternative? Do you try to talk women out of abortion by providing them many other choices and support? Do you do everything you can (or want organizations) to offer every opportunity to not have an abortion? If your answer is no, then you are pro-abortion. Just your statement shows you know abortion is bad, but most people like yourself hide behind the lie of being pro-choice. They really aren't. And murdering children is not pro-choice. (Certainly not the choice of the child.) That's what I also hid behind. It's mostly a self delusion. And you will cling to it until you get in you gut what is truly going on. And the mantra, "a woman's choice", is how you plug up your proverbial ears to anesthesize your conscience. My brother and his wife realized this also in the past few years and now are strongly pro-life.
@@clairefrier2353 same shit
@@rujulasingh3166 it is not the same at all.
@@clairefrier2353 don't care
Great thanks for fighting the good fight. Peace ✌🏻
To be called pro- choice in your mind means to do what you want which abort a human being. It's like you're straddling the fence.So change to anti- abortion because you love life and were meant to have/ raise this child that God Himself created in it's mother's womb. ✝🙏🙇
Where can we watch the entire presentation ❓ Thanks❕
I talk to my 10 yr old about how abortion is wrong . I show her the videos ago she understands because i know in school they push pro abortion
How is abortion wrong?
@@clairefrier2353 Well it's obvious. Murdering is wrong.
@@monkas1738 tell that to Savita Halappanavar.
@@clairefrier2353 Its clear you're gonna want the long argument so here goes:
1) If you don't think abortion is wrong/you can do whatever you want with your body, then describe to me what you're doing when you go through this procedure. Do you treat the baby as an object that needs extracted? Or something else?
2) If babies are not alive at the moment of conception, how are they able to grow? Guarantee you cannot answer this without sounding stupid..
3) If you DO consider babies to be alive at the moment of conception, is it a part of you or something else? Because it requires two people to make one, it is most definitely not your creation alone. Even if it was, would you step on your own flowers you planted in a garden because you "couldn't find cheap soil"?
Keep in mind strawman or hasty generalization arguments are not gonna fly. I don't want to hear about geopolitical issues with having children outside the country, or the foster care. It's their problem and has no affect on the consistency of my logic.
@@amenra6042 you seem to think I’m pro abortion, I’m not, I’m pro choice (there is a big difference) I also have compassion for the girl/woman who’s been raped. If she’s forced to carry a pregnancy to term, have you any idea what that could do to her mental health? No, because all pro life people care about, is the life of the baby, they couldn’t care less about the mothers.
It's not just the physical killing it's the fact that someone thinks it's okay to wipe out the existence of a coming life. People need to seriously humble themselves and stop playing God.
just answer this: if you were in a situation of death or life and you had to choose to save a little 3 year old who’s frightened and crying, or a box with 100 future babies that are not babies yet, they are like pre-fetus, which would you save?
obvious answer is the child crying because he actually can feel, he has emotions,
unlike the 100 coming lives the box 😉
@@catalinagriego You can answer that yourself because you are the one who will take even that 3 yrs old life because if you can kill 100 babies you can kill one more it won't be a problem for you many leftists even want to aid suicide. Life means nothing to you. Plus most women want to kill the baby even at 8 months when it does feel and can cry too!
@@catalinagriego Why give hypotheticals that are more than likely never to happen to almost everyone?
The term pro-choice should not be used for pro-abortionists. I am a firm believer in having a choice, it is one of God's greatest gifts to humankind. Call them pro-abortiinists, so they can hear the truth of what they are standing for
The interesting question is why they are so resistant to using the word ‘abortion’: their dogged avoidance of it suggests they think there is actually something wrong with it.
Abortion will never be truly abolished as long as society continues to tolerate any form of artificial contraception and the contraceptive mentality in general. After all, abortion is the inevitable backup when those fail.
@FearlessAstridHofferson Then the answer is to simply not pursue sexual relations/acts. Or is that so unrealistic to follow?
"But...but...but *mah orgasms!!"*
I agree Blue. The Sexual Revolution ruined everything. And when I learned about that, I looked back on my life and it all makes sense now. I was raped when I was in the army by a Marine and all this pressure to have sex was overwhelming for an innocent girl like me. There's no respect for a Woman's body from the Pro-abortion folks.
@nitagirl614 Sorry to read. 😔 May God bless you.
@@Wired4Life2 yes it is unrealistic, what if you’re a married couple?
@@nitagirl614 I’m 45, pro choice (not pro abortion) I’m also still a virgin and proud.
As long as we are heading back to the days of Chicago Cook County Hospital Ward 41, you'll NEVER win ME over! Overturning Roe vs Wade was the biggest mistake that SCOTUS made!
A major issue is that a news media and "educational" television that has yet to show or even describe an abortion. This is similar to issues like gun control where the media seldom reports historical big-state wars on their civilian populations, and you have the people who have never been in the military or even fired a gun or been an assault victim, having the most intractable attitudes.
How to win??!?!! This is not about winning, it is about women having the right to determine what happens to their own bodies.
not winning, living
The mother’s body isn’t getting torn to pieces and sucked through a tube. She isn’t deciding what’s happening to her body. She is choosing to terminate the body of her unborn child.
🙏🏻👍🏻
True.
She must be at some bible college school like the one she graduated from. No public school would allow her through the doors.
i just saw video of her at Berkley with two protesters holding up hangers
Retired physician here with experience in obstetrics/gynecology and pathology. Some who support abortion claim that life only begins when a baby takes its first breath at birth. They cite the Genesis account of God breathing life into the man whom He created. But the catch is that God utilized no egg, no sperm, and no womb when He created Adam from dust and Eve from Adam’s rib. Unborn babies, however, are a totally different matter, for they are very much alive in the womb. They develop, move and grow, cardiac motion is detected by ultrasound by five-six weeks, they suck their thumbs, hiccup, and though they receive oxygen and nutrients from the mother via the umbilical cord, they still “breathe” small amounts of amniotic fluid, FOR GOD HAS ALREADY GIVEN THEM LIFE IN THE WOMB. How can unborn babies move and grow, etc., if they are not alive in the womb? Yes, babies take their first breath of AIR when they are born, but they are most definitely ALIVE BEFORE they do so. Life begins at conception. Abortion is the murdering of innocent human life.
Jesus does not mention abortion by name in any of His teachings. Therefore, some folks take that to mean that mankind may kill innocent, unborn babies through abortion at will. How utterly absurd! Such people either conveniently ignore or are unfamiliar with the Scripture that states: HANDS THAT SHED INNOCENT BLOOD ARE AN ABOMINATION UNTO GOD (PROVERBS 6:16-17). This passage certainly indicates that those who shed the blood of innocent, unborn babies through abortion, or who condone such heinous acts, are ABOMINATIONS unto God.
Pro-choicers often cite Numbers 5 as “evidence” for abortion. In this chapter according to the KJV, the priest conducts a ritual to test for adultery, whereby a guilty woman is cursed: “The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell” (v. 21). Neither pregnancy nor abortion are specifically mentioned. On the other hand, the NIV implies miscarriage: “may the LORD cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell.” It is God Who causes the miscarriage, not man. The passage DOES NOT grant mankind permission to perform abortions.
Pro-choicers also quote Hosea 13:16 as “evidence” for abortion. This passage describes the punishment that Samaria will suffer for rebelling against God: "they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up" (KJV). God destroyed the infants along with the adults, because He knew that when the infants grew to adulthood, they would be just as rebellious as their parents; in God's sight, those infants were not innocent. God would have none of that, so He destroyed them all, regardless of age. Harsh? Yes, but God is sovereign and holy and must be obeyed. As the Creator, God gives life and takes away life as He chooses. The Scripture said: "the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD" (Job 1:21b KJV). That DOES NOT mean we may take away life any time that suits us. We have NO permission from God to abort unwanted, unborn babies at will. Therefore, the passage above in Hosea has nothing to do with abortion.
DO NOT apply human thoughts and actions to God. As God says, "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts" (Isaiah 55:8-9 KJV).
How to get a "pro-lifer" to dodge or contradict themselves or show themselves for a Taliban wanna-be....
Ask them to explain IN DETAIL how they would enforce a ban on abortion.
The same way we enforce other laws. If someone is proven guilty of killing someone else without a just cause they go to jail. Simple stuff really.
@@ianalan4367 How do you prove in court a woman had an abortion? Be specific.
((Bet you won't))
Medical records are one way of course. They are protected HIPPA though there are stipulations were they can be court ordered I believe. Circumstantial evidence could be used such as witnesses knowing she was pregnant and then chose to kill her unborn child. Someone who assisted or performed the abortion could testify against her I suppose. I’m not an attorney so those are just a couple thoughts that come to mind.
With that said you are clearly trying to go somewhere with this so why not just come out and make your point?
I’m respectfully interested.
@@ianalan4367 Okay, I'll skip ahead. I HAVE studied it and there is no way to prove in court that a woman had an abortion. If if there were scarring on the uterine wall (which would heal in a few days), that isn't proof of an abortion.
Why would the person who performed it testify against her? Plus remember the Fifth Amendment?
Plus, with RU-486, there IS no "person performing it", BUT the woman. She wouldn't testify against herself nor could she be forced to (again 5th Amend.)
And here's the part you CANNOT deny...rich women can easily go to Europe to obtain one. How do you stop them? You can't...and you'll end up saying "So what? At least we'll prevent some of them."....yes, the ones for poor women.
And in that admission, you'll admit you are actually "pro-choice"...when it comes to the wealthy or those who can afford it. Which is a typical position for a conservative...i.e. plutocratic.
Your post isn’t showing MA but read it via notifications. Abortion can and will be proven in court. Many will not. If your point is that just because abortion is made illegal doesn’t mean people won’t still get abortions I agree. Murder is illegal and people still commit murder. People still get away w commuting murder and the more money you have increases the chance you can get away w it. None of this has any bearing on the unborn child’s right to life though.
Abortions save lives.
A successful abortion ends a life
For about 1.5% of abortions that is true!
IVF is not wrong
SAINT MICHAEL ARCHANGEL 09.02.2021 To Luz de Maria, Revelaciones Marianas (website and youtube) Some people feel disappointed by the expectation to which the Church is subject, feeling their hope diminished in the face of the power of evil that is unfolding in the world. They forget, however, that God does not abandon His People and allows what has been announced to happen. That is to say: impiety, heresies, lack of respect for what God represents, sacrileges, future persecutions, plagues, diseases, war, famines, great earthquakes and effects of nature.
are you seriously gonna use some catholic bullshit to say that woman can’t decide over their own bodies? please respectfully go to hell, if u ban abortion it will keep be happening, just unsafely
Is an industry,,,.... Enfhasis in money
Learn to spell
Why is it "Pro-Choice" and not Pro-Responsibility. Don't get pregnant!
what if u get raped? what if the condom doesn’t work? what if the couple lived in a society in which they were never taught about sex ed (this might be a privilege to you. but let me remind you there are many people in the world who have no idea how to use a condom or that they have to wear it)
@@catalinagriego Valid point, I was speaking more from the responsibility end on both male and female. From what I have read Birth control is the larger majority of the cases. And I'm more a "do whatever the hell ya want just don't bother me" kind of guy. I have no children running around out there that wasn't wanted. just saying
@@catalinagriego so instead of fighting for more knowledgement about the consequences of sex in the world, you are saying that to solve the problem we have to kill babies. Also I heard so many "pro-choise" saying that even if a woman decides to kill the baby at 9 months she can do it because the problem could have been that her boyfriend left her. I understand its hard but that's just not wanting responsibility. We should work on other things like poverty or like lack of free medical assistance instead of fighting for woman "right" to kill a human life
@@katiada a baby it’s not a fetus, how is it so hard to understand. Besides, do you support that a woman has to stand the result of being raped for example? Because everyone talks about responsibility but what about that huh?
@@catalinagriego a fetus a living human being, it has a heart. The fact that people don't accept it as a living human being is just to convince their self that the act of killing it is not as bad as it is. About rape, yeah its disgusting and it's very sad that mostly women are victims of rape. Why don't we work more on rapes, instead of killing a human being?
“how to win arguments…” and this is
how i realize this people only do this to win arguments and not bc they care about lives, because if they cared ab them they would respect women’s right to choose 💚
Yeah indeed is so disgusting that this people try so hard to open eyes to people that think that killing, murdering a human life just because "I can, and I have rights" is OK.
@@katiada it is not murdering, it is ending pregnancy, it’s a different thing.
Besides, i want you to know that all pro-lifers want is an utopian reality, because it is impossible to stop abortions, and banning them will only make woman die. So let’s open our eyes and try to look for the safest option possible.
@@catalinagriego you know what really is impossible? Ending suffer. The nature is made like that, the lion eats the gazell ecc. The gazell dies suffering. Nowadays our society thinks that we should never suffer, and I wish it was like that but the reality is that is impossible. Pro-choise people think that we should end the suffer of a woman by ending a human life. It's selfish. It doesn't work like that in nature.
@@katiada You know what is sefish? To force women to born the product of their rapist, that is selfish. You know what is selfish? To force women to drop out of highschool because they have to born that fetus. You know what is selfish? TO FORCE WOMEN TO DIE IN THOSE ILLEGAL CLINICS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO OTHER OPTION THAN THAY. THAT IS SELFISH
@@catalinagriego Abortion is ending a pregnancy by the process of murder!
She just wants to blame the victim
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20
When you said “Yes” to the Lord Jesus, you made your choice
I don't believ e in your God. Go preach somewhere else.
Abortion is not wrong
Jesus wants you to repent of your sin and follow Him.
He says few people will find the narrow path that leads to life. It’s time to deny yourself pick up your cross. Read the Bible, stop sinning, escape hell.
*God murdered babies all the time, it's just not a big deal to Him.*
Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones.
Deuteronomy 2:34 utterly destroyed the men and the women and the little ones.
Deuteronomy 28:53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters.
I Samuel 15:3 slay both man and woman, infant and suckling.
2 Kings 8:12 dash their children and rip up their women with child.
2 Kings 15:16 all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.
Isaiah 13:16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.
Isaiah 13:18 They shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.
Lamentations 2:20 Shall the women eat their fruit, and children.
Ezekiel 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children.
Hosea 9:14 give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.
Hosea 13:16 their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
2 Kings 10:30
God is greatly pleased with all of Jehu's killings, saying "because thou hast done well in executing that which is right in mine eyes, and hast done unto the house of Ahab according to all that was in mine heart [Jehu murdered them all], thy children of the fourth generation shall sit on the throne of Israel."
God wants to be remembered forever for the mass murder of little children. Exodus 10:2
Amen!
Talk about killing someone or not? There is nothing to talk about. It’s obvious.
The is still more to discuss or do you think that saying murder just ends the conversation right there? I can most definitely put out some arguments but so I know where you're at with your thinking can you make a pro-choice argument besides "It's my body, it's my choice."
wehtawnikrap It’s not your body and never was, body belongs to God. Murder is murder no matter how you justify it.
My house is my property I can murder anybody, right ? My country is my country, I can murder anybody, right ? Nope. End of story.
What you are lacking is love toward other person and those who want to legalization of child murder are those who never experienced love, love is foreign to them. This is the root cause.
Btw rape, prostitution, pre-marriage sex, pre-mature sex should be punished by death, I hope we agree with that. This is another root of problem people want to fix with murder.
@@danieljust295 Yes, tell me what I'm lacking like you know everything & can't even answer the question posed. I don't know if you are aware of how condescending & up yourself you sound. If you are saying that pre- marriage sex & prostitution warrants death isn't that far off from the extremist that say gay people deserve death because I bet you are pushing your religious views onto other people.
wehtawnikrap You see, this is your problem. You simply avoid taking consequences of your own acts. Two gays can’t cause abortion problem so not sure why you added them. If you believe in free sex then abortion is the consequence. America went through sexual revolution a few decades ago completely changing the society, this revolution was deliberate indoctrination which caused 50mln abortions (murders) - more than Nazis and Communist killed together. Can you see that ? People forgot that the ability to have sex was given to them so they can have children and enjoy having them, not to kill them. You live in the world of madness you are trying to justify abortion, but murder is murder regardless of how you justify it. Science blinds the minds of people “proving” them that human is just machine, electro-mechanical and self-programmed device and nothing else. No. We are given life and physical body by God who will later judge us what we have done with it. If you erase God form your mind (yes you can do it) then the hell breaks loose and you can justify your every act in your mind. This is the way to insanity, you start believing you do right by doing evil.
Pro abortion people dont get it though.
You are on a Witch Hunt
Why is it so important to force the pro-life opinion on others? Just let women make their own choices. Your choice isn't any "righter" than the other.
Because killing a hunan is wrong plus you are treating a human as a disposable object
Would you allow a mom to kill her 3 year old? Same concept….its called justice.
Because as a society we rightfully put such an intrinsic value on human life we deem there must be a moral justification to take one. So what is the moral justification for abortion? Why do you believe it is ok for a woman to kill the living human being developing inside her when we all agree she is not allowed to kill her newborn?
@@ianalan4367 Your moral justification and your beliefs are yours. I believe people live with their choices. I don't believe you have the right to interfere with mine or anyone elses. Even the church believes if you repent and atone for your sins you're forgiven. They just pick this one to rail against. Ironic since they never seemed to care about the millions of boys that priests have raped. Don't forget people get away with murdering people all the time. Are you just as outraged about that? And do we really put an intrinsic value on human life in our society? Do you see what people do to each other without even a second thought? Kids are shot up in school. People call each other pedophiles and groomers when they know it isn't true. They traffick each other. Women are raped. People attack other countries just becaues they can and they dig mass graves and shoot innocent people. The sad part is that these things are on constant repeat. So the "value on human life" in this society isn't intrinisic, it's fleeting.
If there was a cabin full of old people with dementia that nobody cared about, would you be ok with them being chemically burned, torn apart, and their skulls being crushed? Or would you see it as a human rights violation and be outraged? What’s the difference with that and abortion?
She does not understand the meaning of the word "choice". She thinks it means doing what others "think you should do". Actually, it is the pro life or no choice side, the one that tells people what they "think you should do", better yet, they are the ones who tell other what they MUST do which is force them to give birth under penalty of law.
You choose murder….good luck with that!!!
I think everyone understand the meaning of the word choice. What seems to escape many is the reality of what that choice is. It is the choice to kill your own child in the womb or carry it to term and let it be born like the rest of us. Laws that state a mother cannot kill her newborn are not about taking away choice. It’s about protecting a human life.
It’s not about criminalizing the mother if she has an abortion, even if she tries to abort the baby herself. I don’t think any woman should be penalized for having an abortion. However I do think the big business of abortion needs to be stopped and doctors should not be allowed to kill babies. Selling baby parts is big business; the abortion industry pushes its service especially in poor, minority neighborhoods (which is a form of eugenics); and abortion is not a procedure without risk, physically and especially emotional.
@@ianalan4367 To say that you have a choice between strawberry or chocolate does not mean to be pro chocolate
@@juliep1122 everything you mention is a crime, and if the mother is involved, you are asking to penalize her. That is the logic of the position.
Pro-Life is wrong. Forcing someone against their God given FREE Will to choose for themselves is EVIL.
You choose before the baby is even in the picture. Name one act that causes reproduction other than sex. I'll wait. Stop trying to divorce the biology of sex from reproduction. Leave your feelings at the door. Biology doesn't care why you have sex. Live sperm will still swim to a live egg. If a woman doesn't want to be pregnant why is she engaging in the only act that causes pregnancy? Is she stupid? Use that bodily autonomy correctly and you won't need an abortion.
Isn't that what abortion does? Forcing a death sentence on an innocent life. A life, but for abortion, is striving to live but others have deemed them unworthy, non-human and insignificant; therefore, deserving of death. This is evil. To disregard a human life to the same level as waste. That's some Hitler mind set right there.
@@MsArLee1105 And that's my biggest problem with abortion. Their list of what humans that don't matter keeps getting bigger.
Abortion IS murder though. Just that you murdered a life that was dependent on his/her mom. #Betrayal
@@7thewitness why is abortion murder when miscarriage is not? Both still result in the termination of life. Does that mean mothers who cannot medically carry to term babies and miscarry are murderers? It's kinda worse isn't it? Cus their bodies literally reject and force out the baby. Lol. Don't worry it's a rhetorical question.
Pro-lifers make me laugh.
I’m pro choice and you haven’t won me over and you never will.
How come?
Good for you! Thanks for the comment, I'm sure she cares!
@@cupboardofcheese1529 before abortion was legal, do you know how women used to get rid of unwanted pregnancies?
@@tevifunaki2257 to be honest, I don’t really care. If abortion is made illegal, there will be a lot more women/girls dying.
@@clairefrier2353 Backstreet abortions? Coathangers and bleach?