Great video. Clones don't grow tap roots. Which I found very important for skunk and cheese. I think the tap root has a lot to do with bacteria and getting down towards water table. Why does the mother smell so much better than clones? So I now grow from seed down by the fen. Been looking at the different groups of fungi and bacterial. Grasslands, hardwoods, softwoods, and sand all have different groups of bacteria and fungus. Different carbons for different bacteria and fungi. You can take clones from same plant then plant in different areas and get different taste and smell. The white lumps on clover roots harbor bacteria and that is what actually fixes the nitrogen.
Hello Jeff, I will excitedly tune in to your "lord of the roots". It will be a great leap from my general and food micro classes at the local land grant /school studied for pre vet med curriculum.wow.... jeff...far out something new /to contemplate....then what ..more to work into the organic farming /process....right or wrong. Dennis WOW endophytic NOW to rhizophagy.....I will TRY to stretch my brain cells. ..Dennis
Fantastic work Jeff! Just yesterday I completed Dr Elaine's course and they really could use your caliber of images and explanation. I'm sure I'm not the first to say that. Only suggestion: lose McD images as "American food" especially in an organic context. That stuff is not food.
Bacillus subtillus has been available for gardeners for several years. I use a product called Cease, about 75 bucks a gallon. I have sitting on my desk in front of me an 8 oz bottle of Air-N whixh contains azotobacter and azospirillum.
Good little beneficial bacteria Brew I made yesterday . They responded so hard I thought the leaves were going to fold-up over the buds . Mix for 1 gallon according to whatever product to use. (Water-soluble humic acid) (water-soluble kelp) (fish shit.)( microbe from Bliss). Any water-soluble microbes will work.( Bigfoot soil drench.) Brew for 6 hours only. Room Temp. I had to share this because it is some of the best results. It can be used at any stage of the plant. Awesome results and response on this one
Great episode! When discussing the bacteria that resides in the seed I was wondering if the common practice of sprouting the seed in a cup of water would have a negative effect on that bacteria? Are they going out into the water? Can they be saved by watering that "seed cracking" water into the soil matrix...?Great episode, Tad.
Always best to pop seeds in soil, nothing wrong with a seed soak for a few hours to hydrate but straight into soil after that. I think the paper towel method is a war crime😂 imagine how many beautiful plants have been lost because they weren't designed to start life in a bleached sheet of timber pulp, ridiculous way to start seeds haha
And to expand on this question of soaking seeds in H2O to germinate, I know quite a few fellow growers that will soak their seeds in a mix of H2O and H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide). I would think that the H2O2 would kill this bacteria. Any thoughts on this? Specifically cannabis seeds.
So do the bacteria reproduce outside the root? Then go back into the root? Some plants don't like bacteria dominated soil. They would rather have fungal dominated. Makes a difference in grasslands and giving plants a hay smell.
I just want to know then if the bacteria is inside the plant where there are no exudates since those only form at the root, how and what do they eat then?
I just bought Teaming With Microbes but Thriftbooks sent me the 2006, 196 page original instead of the updated 2010 version. What is the difference and should I just get the 220 page 2010 updated one
I don't think you need to buy another version if you already paid for the 2006 one and can't return it. There's some minor changes, but overall the content is similar. One thing to double check is Jeff had to put in a correction on the pH information because I believe he had it backwards in the original release.
Would it be safe to assume that the store brought organic manure/compost bags you can buy from a hardware store to be fairly inert? Loads of wood chips, etc. The reason I ask this question is that of the 3 components used to go into mixing a soil substrate utilising sphagnum peat moss, vermiculite/perlite and manure/compost two of the three parts are considered inert and if store brought manure/compost isn't great to begin with would it be safe to consider it inert and therefore the entire substrate inert? I am wanting to apply Steve Solomon's formula to this newly mixed substrate assuming that the cec is 30 (I think you mentioned your tests came back with a cec of 28 utilising a similar mix) without wrecking the soil. All of my inputs come with an analysis, so I am confident in the values I am putting in to balance the soil. However, just not sure about the manure/compost part of this problem. I also assume organic matter is zero and apply an input that contains nitrogen at a rate equal to phosphorous input within Steve's formula. First time growing, let alone organically, after coming across your podcast. I have read the intelligent gardener and all of Jeff lowenfels books, so I can already hear you saying "test your soil," lol. I'm just trying to save funds.
Couple quick points. 1. Peat is not inert, it has biological activity. 2. CEC doesn't really apply to potting mixes so you can't use it like you would for actual soil. It's metric is more relative to total fertility than exchange holding capacity. 3. Guaranteed analysis on products is not as accurate as you might think so you could end up off pretty far if you're going off the manufacturer analysis. 4. Solomon's mix is for growing nutrient dense vegetables. If that's what you're growing that's great, but if it's cannabis he doesn't recommend his mix either. Hope that helps.
@kisorganics so hypothetically if I was to have a soil test done on my potting mix from an establishment that Steve recommends (i live in australia) I should look at the cec portion of the results as the current fertility of the soil and not it's potential to hold cations? If so, would it be right to think that if I were to add more ferilizer to the soil and retested that it would show a higher cec? Also, I'm looking for more material to read around composting and soil chemistry. A couple of your go-to favourites would be greatly appreciated! P.s. I love all the material you put out. Your enthusiasm, approach, and critical thinking have inspired me to want to learn more. So thank you!
That slime in your mouth in the morning is actually beneficial bacteria for your gut and should always be downed with a glass of water before brushing your teeth 😉
You can buy his books from a bunch of different sources. Amazon has them in digital or paper formats or you can find them in some bookstores or other online websites. He has 4 or 5 books out now, this one is based on Teaming with Bacteria. Hope that helps!
You have anything to say about keanumycins or the existential threat they represent to the global Rhizosphere if (when) they are deployed commercially? And what this series doesn't focus on as much as I think it really should, is the Carbon Cycle. Carbon-12 is Life. Plant tissues, microbes, animals, insects, it's all carbon-12, and the more of it is in living bodies and decaying below ground, the less of it is in the atmosphere. Literally no one is connecting these dots. I've looked, for a decade. I used what I learned from your series to turn dead soil into living soil and I can grow anything literally anywhere on the planet by converting any organic waste into castings and frass, then spreading that material in thin layers to build up the Rhizosphere over time. It works for 100% of that 90% of plants that create a symbiotic bond with microbes in the soil. And most of those that don't also thrive in or adjacent to a healthy Rhizosphere. I'd really like to see more common awareness of the fact that all Life is carbon, and more Life alive means less carbon in the atmosphere. That really helps bring into focus what a sustainable path actually looks like for global agriculture. We can't keep on digesting 3x the amount of foreign ecosystem to sustain human life outside of natural systems. There's nothing left. A new perspective that focuses on abundant life, thriving ecosystems, and the management of excess production for human consumption is essential. Efficiently collecting the totality of any parcel of land's harvest potential should never have been the goal. Life costs Life. Failing to recognize that is one of the core failings in understanding that have created the carbon crisis and that has resulted in an ongoing insect apocalypse. We need to reform global agricultural models around the management of problematic excess or this carbon crisis will just continue to grow into a catastrophe with no solution. People like you have the keys to that vehicle.
@@dianajschroedl3099 oh I have. Gabe has a bunch of great ideas that help temporarily increase the sustainability of Industrial Agriculture, but he's still trapped in the Industrial delusion. He still runs a 5000 acre farm that's sole purpose is to extract as much produce from every square foot of land as he can possibly extract in order to make money. That's never going to be sustainable. It doesn't matter how well you mask the process, you are still taking more than you put back, and taking up far more room than you need. We need Dirt Farmers, and they need to be reasonable sized farms. 5 to 10 acres per family. And about 5 million of them per continent. The delusion that 1% of people can provide food for everyone else by pumping in nutrient "alternatives" and extracting biologic abominations has to end. Farmers need to be processing organic waste into castings and frass on a small enough scale that most of it doesn't gas off into the atmosphere decaying in giant piles. Thin layers of castings and frass each season are how you build up a diminished soil. Once it's able to support abundant year-round plant life you introduce migratory lifestock for grazing. Once you have grazing animals supplying concentrated fertilizer you remove that access and use it to sustain human life. You can't start from the middle like Gabe does. You have to be able to maintain an abundance, while extracting problematic excess. You become a caretaker of an ecosystem that depends on managing excess production, rather than attempting to extract the totality of production from any given piece of land. Gabe is still trying to sell the idea of regenerative cash cropping. Cash cropping is a massive part of the problem.
Do/i/need magnifying glass to/see/plant/micro sheaths? Thank you Mr lord of the roots. Where/do/I get the pix of exudative attracting microbes/and fungi.
I might follow your explanation/as/i am a navy trained electronic/technician. And KSU trained food technologist. Send .the teeming with microbe booklet. Dennis
I would not think it /very/annoying. But funjai is incorrectly spelled acc to microbiology textbooks I have read. And I will add this tidbit. I have/never seen the word spelled with ... jai. And heck i have been 1/2 way around the world, been to 2 county fairs and a bull fight in my short life on this planet.. 22:55
No one needs a NPK test. No one needs to buy any kind of meter. I have been a market gardener for a many years now and never waste money on tests or gadgets. Use your eyes (to examine the plant above ground and the roots from the occasional plant: are the plant roots covered in rhizosheaths, if so, you're good), your nose (does your soil have a sweet fragrance) and your tastebuds (nutrient density). To learn more of the science behind good farming practice look up Dr. Christine Jones, the Soil Sociobiome, the Phosphorus Paradox, the Nitrogen Solution.
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Thank you so much for sharing observed sciences and making it available to humanity.
Much love and Respect!
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👌🏼
This was educational and humorous, the perfect symbiosis for learning.
Jeff explaining and his enthusiasm is like out of a kid's book.
Love it🤙
100% agree with focusing on useful information like producing food without destroying the soil.
Your enthusiasm is like your subject infectious thank you for your hard work and sharing your knowledge
Jeff's enthusiasm has always been unmatched. Thanks for the content Tad.
No doubt just wrote almost the same thing 🤗🤪
Excellent Presentation for those of us soil enthusiasts. Really helps advanced learning Yay! 🎉
thank you Tad and Jeff
Excellent video. you are second to none
Whow!! Beautiful talk with very nice pictures that help me understand the message! Thanks very much!
What an amazing presentation
Great video. Clones don't grow tap roots. Which I found very important for skunk and cheese. I think the tap root has a lot to do with bacteria and getting down towards water table. Why does the mother smell so much better than clones? So I now grow from seed down by the fen. Been looking at the different groups of fungi and bacterial. Grasslands, hardwoods, softwoods, and sand all have different groups of bacteria and fungus. Different carbons for different bacteria and fungi. You can take clones from same plant then plant in different areas and get different taste and smell. The white lumps on clover roots harbor bacteria and that is what actually fixes the nitrogen.
Revolutionary information
I feel enlightened, thank you and I will "plant an extra row"
Amazing. Ty!
Such an excellent video!
Hello Jeff, I will excitedly tune in to your "lord of the roots". It will be a great leap from my general and food micro classes at the local land grant /school studied for pre vet med curriculum.wow.... jeff...far out something new /to contemplate....then what ..more to work into the organic farming /process....right or wrong. Dennis WOW endophytic NOW to rhizophagy.....I will TRY to stretch my brain cells. ..Dennis
This is right up my alley. Good stuff
Great show do much knowledge thank you bro I've learned so much watching your videos got time is greatly appreciated fam. Happy growing...
Awesome awesome thanks you for helping me brush up and learn some new things
Absolutely amazing information. I have Geoff's books but not read them all yet😂.👌👍
Love these videos
🤯Great episode! Mind blowing
Fantastic work Jeff! Just yesterday I completed Dr Elaine's course and they really could use your caliber of images and explanation. I'm sure I'm not the first to say that. Only suggestion: lose McD images as "American food" especially in an organic context. That stuff is not food.
Really? I am consdering this very seriously, do you still recommend the course? Is it worth the $?
Fabulous tutorial...
Love it. thanks tad thanks Jeff
mind blown.
Bacillus subtillus has been available for gardeners for several years. I use a product called Cease, about 75 bucks a gallon. I have sitting on my desk in front of me an 8 oz bottle of Air-N whixh contains azotobacter and azospirillum.
I have the first one my friend thank you it's already awesome
Hello Jeff
Great content, thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Just one question, are your books available in French?
Organic for life
Package received Monday this time ther was something in it thanks for the extra 16 plant count gel.
Good little beneficial bacteria Brew I made yesterday . They responded so hard I thought the leaves were going to fold-up over the buds .
Mix for 1 gallon according to whatever product to use. (Water-soluble humic acid) (water-soluble kelp) (fish shit.)( microbe from Bliss). Any water-soluble microbes will work.( Bigfoot soil drench.) Brew for 6 hours only. Room Temp. I had to share this because it is some of the best results. It can be used at any stage of the plant. Awesome results and response on this one
Great episode! When discussing the bacteria that resides in the seed I was wondering if the common practice of sprouting the seed in a cup of water would have a negative effect on that bacteria? Are they going out into the water? Can they be saved by watering that "seed cracking" water into the soil matrix...?Great episode, Tad.
Always best to pop seeds in soil, nothing wrong with a seed soak for a few hours to hydrate but straight into soil after that. I think the paper towel method is a war crime😂 imagine how many beautiful plants have been lost because they weren't designed to start life in a bleached sheet of timber pulp, ridiculous way to start seeds haha
Short answer is “I don’t know.” 🤷♂️
I don’t think anyone has looked at that, to my knowledge.
🎯🎯🎯 millions of years of evolution so you can pop it in a cup of water...NEVER!
And to expand on this question of soaking seeds in H2O to germinate, I know quite a few fellow growers that will soak their seeds in a mix of H2O and H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide). I would think that the H2O2 would kill this bacteria. Any thoughts on this? Specifically cannabis seeds.
The Japanese food reference hahahahahahaha
Super interesting episode! I would love to get some sources of the scientific studies/papers Jeff is taking his knowledge from :)
Had to take a double take at the title and realize this is narrated by the Lord of The Roots himself!
So do the bacteria reproduce outside the root? Then go back into the root? Some plants don't like bacteria dominated soil. They would rather have fungal dominated. Makes a difference in grasslands and giving plants a hay smell.
I just want to know then if the bacteria is inside the plant where there are no exudates since those only form at the root, how and what do they eat then?
I just bought Teaming With Microbes but Thriftbooks sent me the 2006, 196 page original instead of the updated 2010 version. What is the difference and should I just get the 220 page 2010 updated one
I don't think you need to buy another version if you already paid for the 2006 one and can't return it. There's some minor changes, but overall the content is similar. One thing to double check is Jeff had to put in a correction on the pH information because I believe he had it backwards in the original release.
@kisorganics Thank you. I heard Jeff talk about the ph correction on a podcast. I'm going to start reading it now. Thanks again
Thanks for the info Jeff love your videos and books
I hope the distracting graphics and odd photos and spelling mistakes get upgraded to the standards of this great data. Love the data!
Would it be safe to assume that the store brought organic manure/compost bags you can buy from a hardware store to be fairly inert? Loads of wood chips, etc.
The reason I ask this question is that of the 3 components used to go into mixing a soil substrate utilising sphagnum peat moss, vermiculite/perlite and manure/compost two of the three parts are considered inert and if store brought manure/compost isn't great to begin with would it be safe to consider it inert and therefore the entire substrate inert?
I am wanting to apply Steve Solomon's formula to this newly mixed substrate assuming that the cec is 30 (I think you mentioned your tests came back with a cec of 28 utilising a similar mix) without wrecking the soil.
All of my inputs come with an analysis, so I am confident in the values I am putting in to balance the soil. However, just not sure about the manure/compost part of this problem.
I also assume organic matter is zero and apply an input that contains nitrogen at a rate equal to phosphorous input within Steve's formula.
First time growing, let alone organically, after coming across your podcast. I have read the intelligent gardener and all of Jeff lowenfels books, so I can already hear you saying "test your soil," lol. I'm just trying to save funds.
Couple quick points. 1. Peat is not inert, it has biological activity. 2. CEC doesn't really apply to potting mixes so you can't use it like you would for actual soil. It's metric is more relative to total fertility than exchange holding capacity. 3. Guaranteed analysis on products is not as accurate as you might think so you could end up off pretty far if you're going off the manufacturer analysis. 4. Solomon's mix is for growing nutrient dense vegetables. If that's what you're growing that's great, but if it's cannabis he doesn't recommend his mix either. Hope that helps.
@kisorganics so hypothetically if I was to have a soil test done on my potting mix from an establishment that Steve recommends (i live in australia) I should look at the cec portion of the results as the current fertility of the soil and not it's potential to hold cations? If so, would it be right to think that if I were to add more ferilizer to the soil and retested that it would show a higher cec?
Also, I'm looking for more material to read around composting and soil chemistry. A couple of your go-to favourites would be greatly appreciated!
P.s. I love all the material you put out. Your enthusiasm, approach, and critical thinking have inspired me to want to learn more. So thank you!
@@joshuacarusi1977 Yes you're correct if we are talking about soilless media not actual soil (sand silt clay).
A++
That slime in your mouth in the morning is actually beneficial bacteria for your gut and should always be downed with a glass of water before brushing your teeth 😉
This needs to go viral 😍🌿
Seems both pronunciations are accepted
Hi, where can I pay for the books and also can i get them in soft copies after payment?
You can buy his books from a bunch of different sources. Amazon has them in digital or paper formats or you can find them in some bookstores or other online websites. He has 4 or 5 books out now, this one is based on Teaming with Bacteria. Hope that helps!
You have anything to say about keanumycins or the existential threat they represent to the global Rhizosphere if (when) they are deployed commercially? And what this series doesn't focus on as much as I think it really should, is the Carbon Cycle. Carbon-12 is Life. Plant tissues, microbes, animals, insects, it's all carbon-12, and the more of it is in living bodies and decaying below ground, the less of it is in the atmosphere.
Literally no one is connecting these dots. I've looked, for a decade. I used what I learned from your series to turn dead soil into living soil and I can grow anything literally anywhere on the planet by converting any organic waste into castings and frass, then spreading that material in thin layers to build up the Rhizosphere over time. It works for 100% of that 90% of plants that create a symbiotic bond with microbes in the soil. And most of those that don't also thrive in or adjacent to a healthy Rhizosphere.
I'd really like to see more common awareness of the fact that all Life is carbon, and more Life alive means less carbon in the atmosphere. That really helps bring into focus what a sustainable path actually looks like for global agriculture. We can't keep on digesting 3x the amount of foreign ecosystem to sustain human life outside of natural systems. There's nothing left. A new perspective that focuses on abundant life, thriving ecosystems, and the management of excess production for human consumption is essential.
Efficiently collecting the totality of any parcel of land's harvest potential should never have been the goal. Life costs Life. Failing to recognize that is one of the core failings in understanding that have created the carbon crisis and that has resulted in an ongoing insect apocalypse. We need to reform global agricultural models around the management of problematic excess or this carbon crisis will just continue to grow into a catastrophe with no solution.
People like you have the keys to that vehicle.
Check out Gabe Brown. Regenerative agriculture
@@dianajschroedl3099 oh I have. Gabe has a bunch of great ideas that help temporarily increase the sustainability of Industrial Agriculture, but he's still trapped in the Industrial delusion. He still runs a 5000 acre farm that's sole purpose is to extract as much produce from every square foot of land as he can possibly extract in order to make money.
That's never going to be sustainable. It doesn't matter how well you mask the process, you are still taking more than you put back, and taking up far more room than you need.
We need Dirt Farmers, and they need to be reasonable sized farms. 5 to 10 acres per family. And about 5 million of them per continent.
The delusion that 1% of people can provide food for everyone else by pumping in nutrient "alternatives" and extracting biologic abominations has to end.
Farmers need to be processing organic waste into castings and frass on a small enough scale that most of it doesn't gas off into the atmosphere decaying in giant piles.
Thin layers of castings and frass each season are how you build up a diminished soil. Once it's able to support abundant year-round plant life you introduce migratory lifestock for grazing.
Once you have grazing animals supplying concentrated fertilizer you remove that access and use it to sustain human life.
You can't start from the middle like Gabe does. You have to be able to maintain an abundance, while extracting problematic excess.
You become a caretaker of an ecosystem that depends on managing excess production, rather than attempting to extract the totality of production from any given piece of land.
Gabe is still trying to sell the idea of regenerative cash cropping. Cash cropping is a massive part of the problem.
What do plants' roots attract acc. to Jeff L.? This a bit more complicated than simple old time NPK fertilization, eh? Dennis
Why isn't the audio working
How fast do appropriate fungi exudates cause bact to double in nos. Every 15 min. Dwnnis
Do/i/need magnifying glass to/see/plant/micro sheaths? Thank you Mr lord of the roots. Where/do/I get the pix of exudative attracting microbes/and fungi.
I might follow your explanation/as/i am a navy trained electronic/technician. And KSU trained food technologist. Send .the teeming with microbe booklet. Dennis
Are the signals similar to radio transmitters or radar waves. What is their wavelength.
You have formula for carbon sequestration action. How do find endophytic and then id various bacteria. Phenomenal etc.?
What is ROS bacteria. How did you/find time to/learn all this. AWESOME
This explanation/so awesome. Bact cause root hairs .was that/what/you explained? Or/did I get mixed up?/wowwall less bact
What does drought do to all this?
Don’t panic it’s organic 😊
Periplasmic
Is anyone doing the research on herbicides and how much each differant one effects the ryzophagy cycle?
I’m not aware of any research on the subject but there is research to show that various fungicides and herbicides do impact soil biology.
There's no audio.
I think it's an issue with your setup or computer because I just checked and the audio is working fine still. Good luck!
You wonder how plants manage in hydroponics
Wow. Using a title from, and starts with an image from Dr. Elaine (Soil Food Web School), but gives no credit.
Nice..☹
Tell me you didn't watch the presentation without telling me you didn't watch the presentation.
The little Asians 😂😂
ROS vs ROAAAAAS
I would not think it
/very/annoying. But funjai is incorrectly spelled acc to microbiology textbooks I have read. And I will add this tidbit. I have/never seen the word spelled with ... jai. And heck i have been 1/2 way around the world, been to 2 county fairs and a bull fight in my short life on this planet.. 22:55
He’s not kidding: rhizophagy does not have a Wikipedia page
It really hurts my ears when someone calls fungi fandjai. It's just so annoying
"Fun-jai" is kind of the appropriate way to say it. 😂
1:53 where is it inubated?
incubated? Does it exude,excrete, secrete, proteins, fats, CHO's, CO2, CO? And how, when....
“FUNJAI” 😂
No one needs a NPK test. No one needs to buy any kind of meter. I have been a market gardener for a many years now and never waste money on tests or gadgets. Use your eyes (to examine the plant above ground and the roots from the occasional plant: are the plant roots covered in rhizosheaths, if so, you're good), your nose (does your soil have a sweet fragrance) and your tastebuds (nutrient density). To learn more of the science behind good farming practice look up Dr. Christine Jones, the Soil Sociobiome, the Phosphorus Paradox, the Nitrogen Solution.
please do an episode with Mike Krady (@slownickel)