I'm a casual lacking a bunch of the characters you talk about, and I still like to watch you explain this high-level stuff bc you explain it so well. You, Astronox, and Grass Angel are my go-to guys for E7. Love you all!
hey there Im a Champion rank player and I will direct other guildmates and newer players to your video. I feel this video is extremely resourceful and helpful especially for newer players/players that have hard time in Arena. Amazing videos! Thank you DrSquirrel.
Dizzy with Counter set and Abyssal Crown. Basar with Speed and Abyssal Crown. STene with Rage set and Abyssal Crown. CZerato with Rage set and Abyssal Crown. Take a chance, roll the dice, see who fortune favors.
Very informative! I used to look for a guide like this before on reddit and here and youtube. Never really found a good one so I actually watched the whole video even though i'm pretty much done with my current defense team. Thanks. Keep up the good work. 😁
it is true, when I have higher defense rate of like 35%+, the reason is alot of people attack me, i get the same rank when i have 20% defense rate which less people attack me
When I made my defense I just put what I thought would be the most annoying (out of what I have) to fight lol. I use Maid Chloe, SSB, Dizzy and A.Vildred and since I'm only in Master 1 it works alright even though there's so many counters to them. Thanks for the break down, I'll see if I can come up with something better... I should have done this during free unequip T~T
During revenge, I knew when they have a slow basar (most of the time I'm right) when they used A.lots to attack my defense instead of using him to cleave my team.
That can be a true statement. But also alots cleaves are more simple as well since he can enable a att buff unit to aoe and then just clean up afterwards. Taking for granted it seems they are cleaving your Def since they are running a lots vs your Def. Imo alots is also not good on Def so even if their basar is faster or slower it will always be better to put basar on Def over a lots who is trash on Def.
It’s funny - I actually think speed cleave has a much higher gear requirement than bruiser defenses. Speed cleave is very binary in that you either outspeed or your lose. That means speed is super important, and one of the biggest disadvantages is that people will definitely farm you in legend if they know they outspeed you consistently. Bruises themselves require a lot of substats, but you can get away with covering a lot of the mitigation by picking heroes with natural bulk and supporting them with the right Knight artifacts. I also think one of the advantages of speed cleave (and the reason I use it in legend) is that once you reach a high enough threshold, you can always threaten first turn - even when someone has faster units. I can’t count the amount of defense wins I have RNG lucksacked myself into off the 5% variation. The big problem with speed cleave is that the matches are quick, so people will refresh for you if they know they can take your points. That’s why having a stall comp is important on Sunday.
I agree with the speed part, getting high speed gear is a pain. I meant more that it's easier in the sense that with speed cleaves I felt only one character had high speed reqs (whatever your initiator is). On offense when I was building my speed cleave, if my initiator could go first I could basically put free gear on my other characters and try to beef up the cleaver as much as possible and it would work. 2 out of the 4 could practically be naked. I'm sure when you're using it as defense at a very high tier the reqs are very different since I'm assuming you need all 4 to have decent gear. I haven't ran into many speed cleaves that I couldn't just bruise, and I don't mind hitting them because even with a bruiser team you can kill them pretty quick. The only thing I really fear hitting speed cleaves is abyssal stuns to be honest, maybe I don't have enough experience against them but they're only like 1 out of every 20 teams I feel.
I use counter bruiser cleave hybrid def team with both Arbiter and Charles plus Lilias to spook Basar away, end at least champion 1 every week while spending most of the week in legend usually. (Twice ended legend 5 so far, this is with 0 skystones used for climbing, just by naturally occurring flags, and I waste flags on the NPC fights cause I want them skystones) My def win rate is between 20~25%, attack rate is consistently around 95% thou. :3 I do get attacked a shit ton thou, I get attacked more than I attack others. ^^" As for the high attack rate, I use a little bit different comp than normal, you mention the pseudo cleave of Aux+Yufine+Watcher or stuff. My attack comp is a stable version of that, a sustained Nuker comp. I run Spirits Breath Aux, Cermia, CArmin and a healer, usually Destina or Singelica. It's not the fastest but not super slow either and it is god at breaking down stall comps, can easily eat a stall comp in less than 10 minutes. Even if Ruele bring something back, I'll just kill it again, start with the squish dps if they have one, if not, start with the aurius and just pick them off one at a time with Spirits Aux into Burn S3 Cermia spam while Carmin and Destina denies any kill potential they might have had, also Destina 50% CR push on S2 just helps lap them even harder.
I need thoughts on mine as i don't have proper supports rn. Currently my defense is lilias, ssb, F.lidica, Riolet what's your thoughts on comps strength vs weaknesses?
I’m in champion too and I need help with my defence. I watch the video and still feel lost lol. I’m doing the stuff you mentioned because I’ve noticed that myself. I’m at about 3-5% def win. I do the same thing. I put lidica on my team to deter basar and iseria
thanks for the helpful guide, would you please give a guide how to climb to at least master rank in order to get spect teneberia skin for free from rta, it seems no content creator make the guide and always showcase their whale setups instead without any giving further deeper guide, your arena defense guide is so informative and useful for any opposing team situations, Im not a pvp person with these kind of games but I would at least like to sustain my rank good enough in order to get the main pvp rewards instead of going to the top rank
Question now: I have a level 40 ungeared Basar that's 4 star awakened. If I put him in my defense, do you think people would be scared? In my experience, those guys are the absolute fastest Basars
Guide request: A breakdown of viable arena offense teams, what sort of compositions should we be aiming to build? P.S. When you switch segments, you tend to cut off your last word in the ending segment.
I don't have much issues with defense since its the only reason i'm able to stay in champion, but i struggle with offense alot. Defense is solely why i'm able to climb, would love tips on foolproof offenses instead: imgur.com/a/k5ovRSQ EDIT: Having watched your whole video I agree with alot of your points and they certainly are valuable information regarding defense comps for all players but i strongly disagree with your point about stall comps being useless and only good at deterring attacks during rush hour. I have tried a good number of bruiser/deterrent comps but they didnt work out. I soon realised that one to two damage threats WILL NOT KILL anyone since offenses can easily gear and counter those with 1 or 2 units (hello Roana), but if you build 4 units that are able to tank the initial onslaught, the offense will be on cooldown and from that point, most would yield or be subjected to that 15minute lightning match. Granted, this will get more difficult in the top 100 when the offense rotation is able to kill off 2 units and it becomes alot harder to come back from those but generally it works well on others.
Well if you're finding success with it stay with it ;). I base my points on the premise that I almost NEVER lose to a stall team. Because I can bring a super offensive team with just a single Diene or something and true stall teams have 0 damage output to threaten me (other than lightning). I'd say the only time I lose to stall teams are sometimes Acart teams, because I miss like 10x in a row with killing blows. Otherwise, it's pretty easy to just burn through all the targets one by one with something like a Cermia or Watcher Schuri. Takes forever but never fails.
@@DrSquirrel Thats the whole premise. Stall defences arent supposed to have a damage threat. the rationale is offensive units are bad value unless they have a survival gimmick to ensure that value. (Kayron's S2/SSB's damage share etc) But the problem remains that they are easy to deal with. Offenses can easily bait out skills and elemental typing so the defending team never truly utilizes their full potential, Defence AI can easily S3 into a team with invincibility/ Krau horses into a kayron with immortality etc. Which is why pure tank and sustain works better, there is nothing to abuse and it purely becomes a dps gamble. Its really not impossible to have your winrate above 50% even in champion and I don't think its accurate for you to tell others it is either.
5200 is to begin grinding for legend .. legend is top 100 ... so if top 100 is at 5700 .. then u need to be 5700 to be legend ... so it changes greatly by the end of the week.
Don't bother with Arena defense. I have strong defenses meaning good geared heroes and i'm also at 15% winrate. It's better to build a defense that most people will skip as he said. I only have met like 2 defenses i could not beat.
Agreed, make it look difficult to cleave and most people will dodge like I said. The only caveat is that at the higher tiers, people will remember that its a bait defense and target you anyway, but that's not really a problem til high Champ/Legend so no biggy ;).
@@DrSquirrel Precisely. I'm using a defense very similar to yours but it's no bait, my acidd is 276 speed and 100% crit with alexas. Im also using Ruele and ML ken. I usually get hit by krau's and ssb's.... Sometimes i use charles as 4th, sometimes ssb ... I navigate between high champ and legend depending how often i'm playing Good video, i agree 100% with everything you said here.
@@STREEEEEET what kind of dmg does that Acidd do? like is it meant to kill stuff? mine is 285 spd 2700 atk 270 CD and i cant even break into champion. i could do a ruele ssb acidd +1 def tho
@@ProPatto16I crit 62k on hell's queen with superior attack buff . On PvP it's hard to say because ppl have all sorts of gears and damage reduction but because he is so fast and def break on s1 if you support him he'll kill anything. It's not like any healer can tank him more than a few turns. Last GW i went up against a 280spd kayron, 220 krau with 23khp and 19khp charles with Acidd as my only damage dealer and i won no problem. I use Ruele to be safe, Roana to bait Kayron and he killed all 3 without any problem. Krau didn't even use his s3. Btw. mine is 2600 atk and 259 critD. But depending on your critC mine will outdps yours so there's that.
STREEEEEET I’m having a lot of fun with him. Regular arena just tilts me. I’m champion In rta and can’t even get champ in regular arena I just get farmed. I’ll try the Acidd ssb ruele + 1
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I'm a casual lacking a bunch of the characters you talk about, and I still like to watch you explain this high-level stuff bc you explain it so well. You, Astronox, and Grass Angel are my go-to guys for E7. Love you all!
really nice content. not many content creator talks about setting up arena defense in details
hey there Im a Champion rank player and I will direct other guildmates and newer players to your video. I feel this video is extremely resourceful and helpful especially for newer players/players that have hard time in Arena. Amazing videos! Thank you DrSquirrel.
wow man same day I asked too, you rock. Keep up the great work, I look forward to learning a lot more from you.
You are a great instructor! Articulate, concise. Keep up the good work.
You really are the go to guy in arena comprehension. Congratz! Underrated channel.
Great content. I can make something like a.cidd ssb destina and krau. This channel is underrated.
awesome video, it has been sometime that ive been looking for a good arena tip video
Super informative as usual. No one explains these things better than you.
Dizzy with Counter set and Abyssal Crown. Basar with Speed and Abyssal Crown. STene with Rage set and Abyssal Crown. CZerato with Rage set and Abyssal Crown.
Take a chance, roll the dice, see who fortune favors.
lollll
Very informative! I used to look for a guide like this before on reddit and here and youtube. Never really found a good one so I actually watched the whole video even though i'm pretty much done with my current defense team. Thanks. Keep up the good work. 😁
3:55 usually to overcome Speed Defense, I use Lilias, Roana, ML Cartuja, Mirsa.
And sometimes that formation can overcome all type of defense.
wow really enjoyed this video! great content man, keep it up!
Thanks a lot, this was a great clean guide.
Appreciate the content bro!!
Hey I have fought your defense before!! Solid content :)
it is true, when I have higher defense rate of like 35%+, the reason is alot of people attack me, i get the same rank when i have 20% defense rate which less people attack me
When I made my defense I just put what I thought would be the most annoying (out of what I have) to fight lol. I use Maid Chloe, SSB, Dizzy and A.Vildred and since I'm only in Master 1 it works alright even though there's so many counters to them. Thanks for the break down, I'll see if I can come up with something better... I should have done this during free unequip T~T
During revenge, I knew when they have a slow basar (most of the time I'm right) when they used A.lots to attack my defense instead of using him to cleave my team.
That can be a true statement. But also alots cleaves are more simple as well since he can enable a att buff unit to aoe and then just clean up afterwards. Taking for granted it seems they are cleaving your Def since they are running a lots vs your Def. Imo alots is also not good on Def so even if their basar is faster or slower it will always be better to put basar on Def over a lots who is trash on Def.
I agree. I have less than 10% def win rate but I'm still able to remain in Champion bcoz it doesn't get attacked often. Nice video.
do you stream master ?
Has anything changed in the last year to add to this?
It’s funny - I actually think speed cleave has a much higher gear requirement than bruiser defenses. Speed cleave is very binary in that you either outspeed or your lose. That means speed is super important, and one of the biggest disadvantages is that people will definitely farm you in legend if they know they outspeed you consistently.
Bruises themselves require a lot of substats, but you can get away with covering a lot of the mitigation by picking heroes with natural bulk and supporting them with the right Knight artifacts.
I also think one of the advantages of speed cleave (and the reason I use it in legend) is that once you reach a high enough threshold, you can always threaten first turn - even when someone has faster units. I can’t count the amount of defense wins I have RNG lucksacked myself into off the 5% variation.
The big problem with speed cleave is that the matches are quick, so people will refresh for you if they know they can take your points. That’s why having a stall comp is important on Sunday.
I agree with the speed part, getting high speed gear is a pain. I meant more that it's easier in the sense that with speed cleaves I felt only one character had high speed reqs (whatever your initiator is). On offense when I was building my speed cleave, if my initiator could go first I could basically put free gear on my other characters and try to beef up the cleaver as much as possible and it would work. 2 out of the 4 could practically be naked. I'm sure when you're using it as defense at a very high tier the reqs are very different since I'm assuming you need all 4 to have decent gear. I haven't ran into many speed cleaves that I couldn't just bruise, and I don't mind hitting them because even with a bruiser team you can kill them pretty quick. The only thing I really fear hitting speed cleaves is abyssal stuns to be honest, maybe I don't have enough experience against them but they're only like 1 out of every 20 teams I feel.
I use counter bruiser cleave hybrid def team with both Arbiter and Charles plus Lilias to spook Basar away, end at least champion 1 every week while spending most of the week in legend usually. (Twice ended legend 5 so far, this is with 0 skystones used for climbing, just by naturally occurring flags, and I waste flags on the NPC fights cause I want them skystones)
My def win rate is between 20~25%, attack rate is consistently around 95% thou. :3
I do get attacked a shit ton thou, I get attacked more than I attack others. ^^"
As for the high attack rate, I use a little bit different comp than normal, you mention the pseudo cleave of Aux+Yufine+Watcher or stuff. My attack comp is a stable version of that, a sustained Nuker comp. I run Spirits Breath Aux, Cermia, CArmin and a healer, usually Destina or Singelica. It's not the fastest but not super slow either and it is god at breaking down stall comps, can easily eat a stall comp in less than 10 minutes. Even if Ruele bring something back, I'll just kill it again, start with the squish dps if they have one, if not, start with the aurius and just pick them off one at a time with Spirits Aux into Burn S3 Cermia spam while Carmin and Destina denies any kill potential they might have had, also Destina 50% CR push on S2 just helps lap them even harder.
U don't pick the defense, the defense picks u
Nice guide doc
Oh wow, I usually have single digit defense winrate in low Champion but now I guess I don't really have to feel too bad about it.
Awesome dude. Thanks ! +1 Subb !
I need thoughts on mine as i don't have proper supports rn.
Currently my defense is lilias, ssb, F.lidica, Riolet what's your thoughts on comps strength vs weaknesses?
I’m in champion too and I need help with my defence. I watch the video and still feel lost lol. I’m doing the stuff you mentioned because I’ve noticed that myself. I’m at about 3-5% def win. I do the same thing. I put lidica on my team to deter basar and iseria
This is amazing. Any tips to make my 22k hp CounterImmu Dizzy work in champ5+ arena defense?
thanks for the helpful guide, would you please give a guide how to climb to at least master rank in order to get spect teneberia skin for free from rta, it seems no content creator make the guide and always showcase their whale setups instead without any giving further deeper guide, your arena defense guide is so informative and useful for any opposing team situations, Im not a pvp person with these kind of games but I would at least like to sustain my rank good enough in order to get the main pvp rewards instead of going to the top rank
Question now: I have a level 40 ungeared Basar that's 4 star awakened. If I put him in my defense, do you think people would be scared? In my experience, those guys are the absolute fastest Basars
I don't think so, the lv. Would indicate low investment so = trash spd gear
Guide request: A breakdown of viable arena offense teams, what sort of compositions should we be aiming to build?
P.S. When you switch segments, you tend to cut off your last word in the ending segment.
Arena offense teams?
Im still a newbie my defence is is just 2s unit xd, i make a revenge list and farm conquest points xd, but ty for explanation.
Summary: a good defense is a good offense.
ML Rose carryed me to As
You should definitely make an update!! The meta is so boring right now!!
my defence team is ruele ssb ftene and A momo and people attack me with all fire element teams. gold 4 is a joke
No stats ?
Wow
I don't have much issues with defense since its the only reason i'm able to stay in champion, but i struggle with offense alot. Defense is solely why i'm able to climb, would love tips on foolproof offenses instead:
imgur.com/a/k5ovRSQ
EDIT: Having watched your whole video I agree with alot of your points and they certainly are valuable information regarding defense comps for all players but i strongly disagree with your point about stall comps being useless and only good at deterring attacks during rush hour. I have tried a good number of bruiser/deterrent comps but they didnt work out. I soon realised that one to two damage threats WILL NOT KILL anyone since offenses can easily gear and counter those with 1 or 2 units (hello Roana), but if you build 4 units that are able to tank the initial onslaught, the offense will be on cooldown and from that point, most would yield or be subjected to that 15minute lightning match. Granted, this will get more difficult in the top 100 when the offense rotation is able to kill off 2 units and it becomes alot harder to come back from those but generally it works well on others.
Well if you're finding success with it stay with it ;). I base my points on the premise that I almost NEVER lose to a stall team. Because I can bring a super offensive team with just a single Diene or something and true stall teams have 0 damage output to threaten me (other than lightning). I'd say the only time I lose to stall teams are sometimes Acart teams, because I miss like 10x in a row with killing blows. Otherwise, it's pretty easy to just burn through all the targets one by one with something like a Cermia or Watcher Schuri. Takes forever but never fails.
@@DrSquirrel Thats the whole premise. Stall defences arent supposed to have a damage threat. the rationale is offensive units are bad value unless they have a survival gimmick to ensure that value. (Kayron's S2/SSB's damage share etc) But the problem remains that they are easy to deal with. Offenses can easily bait out skills and elemental typing so the defending team never truly utilizes their full potential, Defence AI can easily S3 into a team with invincibility/ Krau horses into a kayron with immortality etc. Which is why pure tank and sustain works better, there is nothing to abuse and it purely becomes a dps gamble. Its really not impossible to have your winrate above 50% even in champion and I don't think its accurate for you to tell others it is either.
@@inkcross879 What's the stall defense you use to get such high % in champ?
@@steveng810 sftlr. Its Ruele, F.Ceci, DJ.Basar and LQC
@@inkcross879 Is the DJ basar fast? I've been getting attacked way too much and keep getting knocked down lol
5200 is legend? That’s only 200 points difference
5200 is to begin grinding for legend .. legend is top 100 ... so if top 100 is at 5700 .. then u need to be 5700 to be legend ... so it changes greatly by the end of the week.
Sin ofender pero mi Lidica átea y Lilibeth se solean a ese team
kinda sad I don't see my girl CArmin in ur example heroes
grace vanderwaal
Don't bother with Arena defense. I have strong defenses meaning good geared heroes and i'm also at 15% winrate. It's better to build a defense that most people will skip as he said.
I only have met like 2 defenses i could not beat.
Agreed, make it look difficult to cleave and most people will dodge like I said. The only caveat is that at the higher tiers, people will remember that its a bait defense and target you anyway, but that's not really a problem til high Champ/Legend so no biggy ;).
@@DrSquirrel Precisely. I'm using a defense very similar to yours but it's no bait, my acidd is 276 speed and 100% crit with alexas. Im also using Ruele and ML ken. I usually get hit by krau's and ssb's....
Sometimes i use charles as 4th, sometimes ssb ... I navigate between high champ and legend depending how often i'm playing
Good video, i agree 100% with everything you said here.
@@STREEEEEET what kind of dmg does that Acidd do? like is it meant to kill stuff? mine is 285 spd 2700 atk 270 CD and i cant even break into champion. i could do a ruele ssb acidd +1 def tho
@@ProPatto16I crit 62k on hell's queen with superior attack buff . On PvP it's hard to say because ppl have all sorts of gears and damage reduction but because he is so fast and def break on s1 if you support him he'll kill anything. It's not like any healer can tank him more than a few turns.
Last GW i went up against a 280spd kayron, 220 krau with 23khp and 19khp charles with Acidd as my only damage dealer and i won no problem. I use Ruele to be safe, Roana to bait Kayron and he killed all 3 without any problem. Krau didn't even use his s3.
Btw. mine is 2600 atk and 259 critD. But depending on your critC mine will outdps yours so there's that.
STREEEEEET I’m having a lot of fun with him. Regular arena just tilts me. I’m champion In rta and can’t even get champ in regular arena I just get farmed. I’ll try the Acidd ssb ruele + 1
First :D
ty for this info man im currently reforming my defense i learned alot in this video auto-sub great content keep it up :D