Hey man, I used to watch your videos around 15 years ago and I learned how to beat mix and calibrate my Technics thanks to you. Glad to see that you're still putting out quality content and helping the world dance to better DJ's.
Just getting into this as a bedroom DJ, but have a little cash to spend on it. This is by far the most informative video I've seen, and I appreciate the straight-forwardness and lack of fancy "click the subscribe button" attitude. This bloke is the real deal, and I don't care that he's not using fancy UA-cam production lighting and microphones. Thanks man.
Low key I really miss that part of UA-cam. Talking to a human. Everyone’s trying to be so “production” ready it’s removed the best part of vlogging. The human element
Both my first pair of SL1200 in 1987 when I was 16 yrs old. Great turntables. they are legendary, durable, well built and the top tier of all turntables.
@@MirrorSurfer original 1210's will never be beaten, who actually cares about extra torque, pitch reset , reverse play , 78, Ultra pitch etc. I've never needed none of that shite and I've had 12's since 1983 (first set). As for digitally controlled pitch sliders... don't even go there.
1200s look good but there time is up. Reloop has the top seat now. I personally have the RP-8000 MKII there is nothing like it on this planet. It’s like comparing an SP1200 to todays computers
funny you posted this video. I had a pair of Audio Technica LP120x show up in the post today (minor upgrade to original lp120). Yes they are budget, they're not going to be as powerful in torque (but almost), they're not going to last as long and they're made of slightly cheaper material compared to technics, RP7000, etc. But they were £245 each and these are my first turntables. I'm not a scratch DJ, so low torque is just fine, it'll allow me to have a light touch. I only play in my house, so I don't have to worry about them being safe to transport. So many people say "spend a bit more, get second-hand technics", but you've gotta start somewhere. Many of the best DJs in the world started on shitty belt drives and faulty equipment. The 120x has everything I could possibly need to have some fun with, and I'm really looking forward to giving my small vinyl collection a spin
Couldn't agree more. I co-owned a pair of 1200's a few years ago and my mate moved to Australia and bought my share of them. I recently got the itch to mix again, and bought some LP120's. For the price, they are more than adequate and capable. I've had them for just over two years and they are still going strong.
I have the ATH 120x and Reloop RP 7000 MK2. IMHO for the price difference it is worth to get the RP 7000 MK2 - better build quality, better motor, more precise pitch riding.
Mate, I’ve been watching your videos for many years now and you pretty much single handedly tought me everything about djing I know. Thank you so much for your videos, insight and honestly, I love your raw video style, so iconic ♥️
I calibrated my technics thanks to you and synchronised them both together,that was back in the early 2000s,dont have them anymore,really miss em,but still dj a little,but no longer professionally in clubs..for the record !! pardon the pun,i miss that life/people incredibly !! Thanks johnathan !! :) x
For me the most DJ friendly, well thought out, and ahead of it's time deck produced since Technics was the Vestax PDX-D3.. Powerful motor, variable pitch fader settings, digital pitch display, variable pitch bend and jog toggle control, reverse, and the first to use the removeable target light. The massive downside though was the chipwood cabinet.
I think most of us back in the day started out with some dodgy decks, i had an SL-23, which was not too bad for a belty, paired with some dodgy pioneer which didnt even have a pitch control, then a set of KAM BDXs i picked up cheap, which were not much better. Then life took a different route, djing went out the window and i never did get to own a pair of the technics, had plenty of plays on them tho. I recently got back into it all, glad i kept my vinyl, one thing i never parted with. I was looking at getting the reloop 7000s, but then i came across the audio technica lp1240, pretty much the same, just another super oem. But for £200 each, brand new boxed, it was a no-brainer really, so i went with a pair of them. Basically got a pair of them for less than the price of a single reloop7000. Happy with what i got, no regrets.
Finally, someone who can admit that the technics is not the best at everything. Great?legendary turntable? yes, reliable ? Yes, but there are more options.
Another point about torque is the effect on back-cueing. The 1200 needs a bit of space to get up to speed, so if - for example - you want to play a record all the way out to a cold ending, then hit the very next beat dead on as you start the next record, it’s a bit of a trick. You need at least a half-turn to get to full speed, meaning you need to hit the start button sooner, and it’s fairly easy to get the timing wrong or at least imperfect. With the Reloop set to its middle position (12 o’clock) you barely need 1/8 turn, which means you can wait to hit the start button until the split second when you want to hear that first note. You can nail the segue dead on every time!
The new generation Technics SL-1200/1210GR (May2017) Turntable's are a revised Old School version from the Technics SL-1200/1210MK2 (October1979). I think the current New School GR Generation has now been improved in the right direction.They are now again the new standard Professional Club Turntable's as before,only better. Great😀👍🎼🎶☘ Real DJ's play Vinyl. Save the Vinyl.
In the past I had the Technics SL-1210 MK2 with the ortofon Concorde Scratch (pink). Now I have the current Generation Technics SL-1210GR with the ortofon Concorde Scratch MK2.That's are very good Professional Tool's. Once ortofon and Technics,always ortofon and Technics. A lifelong professional DJ accompaniment. Great😀👍🎼☘🎶
I find this very useful. Thx, tempted to get a reloop rp-7000 mk2 but that pitch problem seems to be an issue given the fact that i just wanna use it for mixing in techno and house. I often change bpm, can play trance tracks in slowed down versions as well, so a 1200 sounds more appropriate for the purpose
Mate thank you so much for taking the time to make this video. It’s just everything anyone needs on the subject, honest, real talk. Big thanks and much love
One feature missimg in reloop is the pressing of 33 and 45 at the time to speed beatmach.....relops are heavy,,,but great,,,sometimes to move them,,,,makes u think,,,they weight a lot, grat vid.
the Technics classic decks .Many are getting on but i have never seen one break .I have broken many other turntables but on the Technics only a plastic catch for the tone arm and only because im a clumsy oaf.The feet would fall off but thats because they unwind over time especially if you dont make sure they are properly wound on which is what i kept doing.Other then that with proper use they will last a very very long time.
Great comparison! Saw the Reloop 8000's and not sure I would need all the cue's and pitch changing, but who knows. 7000's seem to have all I need as a scratch turntablist. Technics are the OG's but not required.
Great demonstration and comparison, totally liked, but as many others you did not mention the large advantage of mkii having sub chassis that makes it like rock. If you knock at the top of reloop you will hear high pitch sound but when you knock a mkii it is rock solid. Of course mkii does not worth second hand all that money they ask for all the reasons you mentioned… I totally vote for reloop…
There are lots of companies making new parts for the 1200mk2. I am not sure why you say parts are hard to find and expensive for these "Classic Car of turntables."
The torque is low on the 1200's compared to any of the newer turntables available now . If you have not worked on a high torque turntable i would suggest doing so., it does do a great job even on mixing. i love mixing on those, great for those fast blends.
It depends if your mixing records or not , if your performance DJ yes you might need high torque motors , but too much high torque pressure on any turntable motor will not be great mixing records , Technics has balance of everything really that's why it's industry standard
FSwift DJ mixing has to do with more with the pitch than the torque. Which is why the pitch drive is the most important thing. High torque makes you faster getting the music to the right bpm . But if you worked on the 1200 all your life and then Blend music with a plx1000 you can do it effectively
@@hot4futureyears2come you can mix records with digital pitch even on plx1000 etc but as all club vinyl djs will say, original Analog pitch is just better with the finer pitch adjustments , they all have same pitch in Technics just that new models use a binary system that counts in block whole steps then in half etc with Analog pitch , that's why digital pitch turntable won't stay in without pitch movement every few seconds or so compared to Analog pitch , you can move the plater etc with Analog pitch to keep it in time also , with digital pitch like plx1000 it just goes all over the place with original Technics your not constantly chasing the tempo Your on point , with digital modern turntable your chasing the tempo too much that hinders your fader or mixer creative flow if I can put that more clear lol
@@hot4futureyears2come I recently had mix on the new Technics SL 1210 Mk7 , it's really good deck but when I compared mixing vinyl record on both , the sl1200 MK2 won out , the record stayed in time longer again digital pitch and analog , the feet was also not the best and I found the deck bit light , but mixing records and DVS was alright and not as bad as many first thought but depends if djs want to pay high prices for turntable today
Technics every time for me The standard was set a long time ago and in my opinion hasn't been beaten yet. When the reloop decks have spun for 30 odd years with no probs I will maybe give them credit.
Agree mate, it's just better all round turntable for real vinyl , your be fine with DVS with the reloop buts that's as far as it goes , if I'm DJ in club with both them decks are instantly know which turntable I'll put my record on (Technics) the other looks too light , the feet etc. It's more about the build
@ja nee I said Technics was old technology in 2000 mate , but it's still good today , the parts are solid built in Japan by Technics Panasonic ! Today's turntables have cheap parts made else where Not much new about reloop who are part of huge DJ electronics group that have Denon , Akai, Numark etc reloop has clearly based and modelled it's deck on Technics SL 1200 mate lol
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@@FSwiftDJ Re-loop 7000 series blow Technics out the water, The new Technics design is not the same as the originals, Panasonic made a massive blunder selling the copyright for Technics, Even the Vestax blew Technics away 20 years ago, especially when used for battle Djing!!!
@ Really ? If so why does Johnathan no longer use reloops then lately check his latest vinyl mixing ? He's back to Technics SL 1200 MK2 why ??? Because it's simply better to mix vinyl on ( stays in time longer ) I agree the new Technics are not great , but the original is still the best deck for mixing or the all round DJ If you saying pioneer plx1000 was better ? Well I actually got them and I returned them in 1 week max , they couldn't hold a mix with vinyl simple Reloops are great for performance or battle for sure but not mixing real vinyl The design on rp 7000 is more Technics sl1200 you can see that , Vestax had great decks but was they considered club standard nope !! You never see one in any club , again we are talking original Technics sl1200 sl1210 MK2 here not the new Technics sl1200 Mk7 that is very like a failed Technics sl1210 mk5g deck Your better off getting an expensive Technics SL 1200 GR then them Minus the feet. Back to subject , we are not talking high torque motor performance or features , we are talking solid builds, Solid parts that have stood the test of time with qualtz direct motor and analog pitch that has been the choice for every professional vinyl club djs from late 80s till this day It's a deck that is an all round performer .
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@@FSwiftDJ Because he is a Technics fan boy and cannot see past the brand name, The old skool Vestax pdx mark 1 and 2 absolutely blew Technics away in every department and that was 20 years ago, are you saying other manufacturers can't surpass a 40 year old deck is that what you are trying to say?? i've had Technics sl1200s sold them bought Vestax pdx mrk 1, As for the re-loop i've used them and thought they Where easily as good if not better than Technics, they have a ton of better feutures, one's i dd a set on where the 8000s right enough but same motor as the 7000s and thats my opinion as a Dj who's played for 26 years..
While the Technics are still legendary products to me, I now own the Reloop 7000Mk2 Silver Edition and it's a very, very good turntable ... The SL1200 could still be good but they're often overpriced and yes, they're getting old ... on the other hand I know about the upcoming Technics MK7 but their target retail price is more than twice a 7000Mk2 and since my Reloop is doing a good job, I just can't justify a switch ... moreover, I'm not sure I want to bring a $2000 turntable ($4000 for a pair) into an hostile / club environment ... in the past Technics was the best ... I agree ... but time flies and nowadays it's different ... :-)
@@daniellheureux4867 Totally agree! I couldn't afford a pair of the new Technics or justify spending that much money on them, so after reading several good reviews on the RP7000 Mk2s, that's what I went for and honestly think performance wise, they are better than the 1210s
what about the digital vs analog pitch fader discussion? I'm only starting and have a pair of numark tt200 turntables which are as low budget as possible, but i'm able to mix fine on them... i see a lot of people disregarding any turntable that has a digital pitch fader compared to an analog, they say you can't properly beatmatch on digital faders... as an owner of both, would you said that the difference is really that much? i find it really hard to believe and i think it's just something technics fanboys like to repeat as part of their cult mantra rather than base it on actual experience with both.
@@256k_ I had the Numark TT200s for about 10 years and replaced them with RP8000s. I used to DJ on Technics in Clubs ant the Numarks felt cheaper and not as accurate as the Technics but were good enough for home. The RP8000 is on another level. Not missing Technics at all anymore
My first DJing was in 1980...now I am very happy with my 7000MK2s...with CONCORDE CLUB MK2 ... a perfect combo for my dance mixes... Your video is AWESOME! Great detail and fun, too. Me👍🏻🙏🏻🎼🎶🎵🔊🕺💃🚀 PS: (nearly) never used the pitch... a good DJ is doing the natural way ... Combine the songs where the best transition comes ...
Regular DJ works started in 1983 to 1985... never had a platter at home ... did some mix tapes for the guest, indeed... only one side of the tape and then the next guest...and some for me, too. But only a very few - unfortunately... did digi them as wav-files... E.g. did one in spring/summer '84, if you are interested in hearing some VINYL mixing WITHOUT PITCH... I can send you a mp3...cheers, Joachim PS: please provide your email address for the link.
Reloop all Day. The only point where the Technics wins clearly is brand image. but if the reloop exactly as it is there would have been released from technics everybody would have loved it and hyped the improvement.
You are wrong, I own 2 sl 1210 mk 2 and a reloop rp7000mk 2, the digital pitch is not accurate enough on the reloop, it has to be tweaked almost constantly to keep in time, unlike the 2 1210's that stay synced for ages before even the slightest drift, also the wow and flutter on the reloop is much higher, the printed specs of the reloop are wrong hence the star beside the figure of 0.01 wow and flutter , it's actually 0.1% which is 10 times higher than a Technics , this would also add to drift of speed combined with the lame pitch control of a reloop, and all those important factors aside the techns have lasted the test of time, and some, and some more ....Love to see a reloop still working in 30 years lol
I learned how to beat-match on a pair of crappy Gemini turntables. They were awful and required constant work and the lightest touch to keep everything in sync. I remember playing on 1200s for the first time and it was soooo easy!
Love the video I can't believe manufacturers have not gone the full mile before and built a new version with all the bells and whistles. Great video well put across, easy to follow your comparisons . I may be a silly idea. But here goes. I have a Rega3 and no I'm not a dj. But I love the look of the Reloop 7000 . In your opinion would this deck be any good for home Hi_Fi or am I better off sticking with the Rega 3. I don't intend replacing the Rega with the Reloop just having the pair of them . I'd like to know your take on adding it to my music room.
XRTA DOPE VIDEO MY GUY..explained really detailed. My question is about turntables im getting back to DJing and i like the reloop turntables. So what I need to know is what's the difference between the RELOOP RP-7000 MK2 PROFESSIONAL UPPER TORQUE TURNTABLE SYSTEM and the RELOOP DIRECT DRIVE DJ TURNTABLE AMS-RP 7000 MK2.
hello! thanks for the video! a simple question: is the reloop 7000 mk2 the next after the technics 1200 mk2? I'm not talking about buying between them, I'm talking about currently that follows in quality thanks
Hello Johnathan, Did you try the RP7000 on a big system to test it's resistance to feedback (using reel vinyl, of course)? I wonder if we can trust those new turntables on this particular aspect. But the RP7000 look fine, even if I prefer the recessed platter, personnaly.
i used to use reverse on my old audio technica turntables. i placed an empty plastic cd case cover underneath the vinyl, turned the headshell needle pointing up.. and mixed like that lol. just for show of course.
Hi, Thank you for great review and all job you are doing on yt. Its very helpful! 🙏I have a question, which of these two would you recommend for old skool funk begginer dj. My old soul is telling me technics but i think Its little bit easier to mix on reloop?
It would be easy to say if it's good or bad if we actually knew the resolution... But I'm going to say this: CDJs also have digital pitch control (of course with finite resolution). If that's good enough for the best of djs out there, then it's good for us too.
I have a pair of the original rp8000's. I mix vinyl and love the lcd display of the pitch for fine beat matching. With technics and rp7000 you kind of guess how much you moved the slider. When beatmatching by ear you can quickly move the fader in tiny increments and know you didnt nudge it too much. This helps when your trying to blend records fast. I can keep 2 records matched for over a minute with the rp8000 before manipulating the platters...not all the time though...same goes for MK5.
@@moscasucio1686 dude you see the bpm on the 8000 as a standalone or it needs stupid laptop serato system to show the bpm on the 8000s screen. Thanks bro Thanks bro
I like how you didn't go in to great detail about the history of the technics.. I'm sure there was other direct drive decks at the time but they weren't technics.. i saw a hip hop documentary and a budding young american dj who was forever experimenting with electronics one day went in to a shop like rumbelows and was looking for a turntable that can get up to speed very quickly and found the technics did that.. i guess technics realised what they had and improved on that turntable which meant it was going to be used pretty much everywhere.. radio stations and clubs ... that young american dj was grandwizzard theodore.. the turntable was possibly an original 1200 designed for home use.. it was the bees knees... the rolls royce of dj turntables ..everyone who dj'd had to have the technics...it was the rolex watch equivalent...
Maybe some things are different where you live,but the Technics never gave me any issues in 20+ years,except for i might need to change the RCA cables soon,Also,we havw 1200s in pawn shops,we can buy them,etc,etc,and they even made new Technics.i am curious about the Reloops though......
Disagree a little bit about service ability of tech 1200's. There are a ton of third party spares and Technics is still producing spare parts for the decks. As well as this you can often fix the tables yourself because there is so much knowledge and documentation over the years on the internet. Also because these decks are STILL the industry standard, DJ repair shops know how to fix them. I have myself replaced pitch faders, and re-calibrated the pitch on a 1200 and it was dead easy. Parts are accessible and not too cheap considering how bloody long they last if looked after.
New skool or not I would never swap my mk2s for the reeloops. Not to say they are garbage but technics or at least the older ones are the best and bullet proof
Technics still is the champ n still look beautiful in that color if you got it in good shape n last for years n you know that turntablist have beat the sht out of the1200mk 2 when they do scratch n battle style n you know that I got mine since 1989 rock the sht out of them man they still work like a champ just have to maintenance them one a year n you be good I think is one of the best turntable ever made n we use them to scratch n battle style when hip hop rap came out in the 70s that was underground for what I remember we use the technics 1100 mk 2 those first n those are heavy too made like the wheel of steel I still got a pair n working like a champ but when the 1200 came out we use them cus of the pitch control was better for mixing music anyway that reloop look nice n cheaper than the new technics that cost to much n they made them cheap not the same as the 1200 mk 2 legend that why I rather buy a reloop 7000 cus they build like the old technics out of the wheel of steel I'm going to buy one to check them out now n day they made turntable out of plastic oh wood in the 70s thing was build well n better on japan not china that is garbage stuff😁😂 2021 bronx new york like your video man you the best thank you
Digital pitch Vs analog pitch , You should mix some records on both turntables as test at same time Pitch them up and get them in time, leave them playing, I tell you now the reloop won't stay in time like the technics that's where today's decks fail with real vinyl technics sl1200 MK2 will always be the better deck turntable to mix real records but for scratch performance both but reloop better in that area with features, DVS both will be the same depending on DJ software , no doubt technics will have quality parts that stand the test of time, this reloop is great turntable, but will it stand the same test of time ?
@1CBRDUDE i agree , but I wouldn't say he has no clue on this subject mate , the guys been mixing on Technics decades with experience , what I would say is that yes these reloops digital pitch might stay in time for bit but your have to keep adjusting the pitch chasing it, digital pitch works in blocks there is no fine tune between each block like Analog pitch , that's why Technics pitch stays in time longer ( fine adjustments ) also Technics qualtz decks direct drive motor is just the best for mixing records there is no high torque or super etc it's just nice balance
Really considering getting one of these. Rn I have an audio technica atlp120 and for scratching it's not ideal. I've learned the basic scratches but the torque isn't that good. Would 1 of these be worth the upgrade?
What have you done with them if you had like 5 pairs already lol? I thought those things last like forever... Or did you just buy new ones whenever a replaceable part broke?
@@Ex0rz this is over 25 years , ive bought and sold a few times , gave up djing couple times and put money to a holiday and crap like that .. wernt till i got older i realised the value in things , wish i kept them now .
All true but there is one big difference. Analog vs digital pitch... for vinyl mixing in some styles its a huge difference. And this is the thruth. Cheers mate and keep up the good work
Yes, I was about to comment the same thing. The Reloop's are just as good as any other Hanpin motor turntable, so you may as well buy the Reloop's rather than spending stupid money on Pioneer PLX1000's as they are all the same under the lid. And, if you are more into scratching, with simple beatmatching ie dropping tunes in over 2 to 4 bars, using timecodes, then any Hanpin deck will probably be fine. But, for long transitions on real vinyl, you really need a Technics Mk2, M3d, or Mk5, because only those have analogue pitch sliders (which still control a digital circuit - but the adjustment is a lot finer). Digital pitch sliders such as the later Technics (M5g onwards) and Hanpin / super oem decks, have large steps in the pitch adjustment which causes real problems for long mixes with real vinyl. Also, higher torque motors, are not a good thing for delicate mixing, because the platters 'fight against' your finger drags and then slow down too much. On The original Technics, you can literally drag a nail on the platter and slow it by a tiny amount, thus a finer adjustment is possible.
@@DjNikGnashers Thats not true... I´m DJing for over 20 years and i always used technics. I gave the RP 7000 MK2s a shot.. First i have to got used to the pitch but if you have figured it out, then it just works like a charm. I uploaded a minimal video set on my channel where you can see there is no weird pitch correcting every 2 bars... in my opinion the pitch of the reloop is sensitive af compared to the technics.
@@ThomasTune82 Which part of my comment 'is not true' according to you. I have been DJ-ing since 1980 (42 years), so if we are point scoring I win. You have not even said if you are mixing real vinyl or digital files via timecode. I suggest you read what I said again in a bit more depth and then comment.
Just a thought....the most important thing on 1210 is the analog pitch fader.....its super super fine, I'm not sure you get that with digital pitch faster as it has stepping?
İ just bouth 2 omnitronic 2250 direct drive turntables for 30 quid a pair. They need service and parts are preety much unavailable so tomorrow i will tear them apart for pitch cleaning and stuff. Wish me luck :)
*Is it time? Time to lay Technics to rest? Is it time to realize that there are better turntables out there? Better turntables for mixing? Better turntables for scratching? Better turntables for sound quality? The 12's are a classic turntable and without it DJing would not look the way it does BUT it's time to move on!*
If I had to buy new turntables I would probably buy something at a reasonable price and performance that has the abilities of the technics as a minimum. I have already moved on years ago anyway and I’m not attached to turntables for djing. I’m surprised turntables are still around because not everyone needs them like turntabilists and hip hop djs do.
It is still the best turntable... what would be better than a technics? People only dislike them because they 've got only +8/-8 but what do "people" know anyway?
Google "super OEM turntables"...ua-cam.com/video/XEEe_xxmKBg/v-deo.html , In this vid Jonathan is using the exact same turntable by Kam from eleven years ago!
I wish you had a video about these decks while you are mixing with them and sharing your opinions. I am keen, but I don’t want to get a classic car, it has been repaired, repainted, crashed and pimped too many times, plus is too old now.
I own a pair of 1210mk2's but I'm looking to replace them as they have had a hard life. I'm thinking of buying a pair of mint 1210mk2's again but the RP-8000 /RP-7000 MK2's sound interesting. The one thing I want to know about is how does a digital pitch feel like compared to the analogue one that I'm used to? Good informative channel 👍
@@kepplerkeppler6407 I'm considering that. The only thing is they are a bit rough with bubbling pains and chips. I may service and then get them wrapped possibly. Im not going the digital fader route as I've heard bad things about them Cheers
@@Rob060870 yeah don't go down the digital fader route please, especially if you're going to be doing long mixes and transitions. They're absolutely great for scratch DJs, or modern EDM DJs who's do 10 second transitions.
3yrs later has anyone has rp7000s for that time? How do they fare after 3yrs. How do they hold the pitch vs techies? I have 3x pairs of techies but for my small underground broadcast i aint taking my techies there so i thought maybe rps. Any thoughts from someone who has had both?
Build quality of Technics tone arm and gimble is far superior than all the other copies...would be the first part to get damaged when travelling from party to part...the Technics tone arm setup is bullet proof. Apararently you can remove the pitch ball bearing that makes the zero click on the SL mk2 Replacement pitch faders are modular and replaceable without soldering up untill the mk7 Reloop and other copies have digital pitch faders soldered to board.😢😢 PeaceFromOZ
what are you talking about? Why would you change a technics for a reloop? It's foolish. The money you would spend on reloops, better invest it in a proper restoration of your technics. Technics will never be beaten. The sound is superb on PA systems and also for homelistening it has a very very strong sound. Reloop is not a professional audio tool, technics is!
I disagree I have had them serviced but like the man said the parts are getting really expensive. I had them for a long time and I didn’t pay a penny for my technics. The rca cables crackle like anything the pop up lights failed again for the 3rd time reloop just look way more appealing
I suppose the Technics has a brake and torque adjust potentiometer below the platter. They are under small holes, and reachable specific positions, maybe trough the holes in the platter. In the MK5 it has, but MK2 i'm not sure. 78RPM was using about the gramophone era, maybe the '20s thtough the '50s. The problem with the Technics decks are virtual, imho. They were abandoned for about a decade, and the rival brands evolved. Thats the deal. Technics are essentials in the club scene, and if you can play with them, you can use the other brands, too, they are basically the same. Technics was the godfather of the DJ turntables, and they made it etalon. All the knobs, buttons, sliders, lights in the newest models are the same positions as where Technics placed in the late '70s.
What's currently the best value and quality turntable . No snobbery or cult fandom . Imagine if it was a blind taste test.. no prior biases? i dont care about label.. i want quality and a good workhorse
It took 40 years for a turntable to get to the level of the mk2 technics...its now 2019 and I'd still buy a mk2 cause they are tanks...they proven themselves over time...technology is so advanced but the reloop is nothing but a copy!
Hey man, I used to watch your videos around 15 years ago and I learned how to beat mix and calibrate my Technics thanks to you. Glad to see that you're still putting out quality content and helping the world dance to better DJ's.
Same here. 😋💪
@@zehplundershu6544 thanks
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Wow! Yeah I agree so much good stuff from this gentleman. A gentle man :) Thank you!
Just getting into this as a bedroom DJ, but have a little cash to spend on it. This is by far the most informative video I've seen, and I appreciate the straight-forwardness and lack of fancy "click the subscribe button" attitude. This bloke is the real deal, and I don't care that he's not using fancy UA-cam production lighting and microphones. Thanks man.
Low key I really miss that part of UA-cam. Talking to a human. Everyone’s trying to be so “production” ready it’s removed the best part of vlogging. The human element
man what a legend you are. the first ever dj content youtube channel. good to see you keep rockin'
One of the greatest TT explanations ever tubed, even the analogies are excellent, was considering the 7000, now it's a done deal, thank you old chap.
Got a pair of 7k Mk2s and I do not regret the purchase
Both my first pair of SL1200 in 1987 when I was 16 yrs old. Great turntables. they are legendary, durable, well built and the top tier of all turntables.
The greatest that ever was.
@@MirrorSurfer original 1210's will never be beaten, who actually cares about extra torque, pitch reset , reverse play , 78, Ultra pitch etc. I've never needed none of that shite and I've had 12's since 1983 (first set).
As for digitally controlled pitch sliders... don't even go there.
1200s look good but there time is up. Reloop has the top seat now. I personally have the RP-8000 MKII there is nothing like it on this planet. It’s like comparing an SP1200 to todays computers
@@vincestyles1030 I wouldn't know. last gig I DJ'd was in 2003.
funny you posted this video. I had a pair of Audio Technica LP120x show up in the post today (minor upgrade to original lp120). Yes they are budget, they're not going to be as powerful in torque (but almost), they're not going to last as long and they're made of slightly cheaper material compared to technics, RP7000, etc. But they were £245 each and these are my first turntables.
I'm not a scratch DJ, so low torque is just fine, it'll allow me to have a light touch. I only play in my house, so I don't have to worry about them being safe to transport.
So many people say "spend a bit more, get second-hand technics", but you've gotta start somewhere. Many of the best DJs in the world started on shitty belt drives and faulty equipment. The 120x has everything I could possibly need to have some fun with, and I'm really looking forward to giving my small vinyl collection a spin
Couldn't agree more. I co-owned a pair of 1200's a few years ago and my mate moved to Australia and bought my share of them. I recently got the itch to mix again, and bought some LP120's. For the price, they are more than adequate and capable. I've had them for just over two years and they are still going strong.
I recently bought a set of LP120s also!
I have the ATH 120x and Reloop RP 7000 MK2. IMHO for the price difference it is worth to get the RP 7000 MK2 - better build quality, better motor, more precise pitch riding.
Mate, I’ve been watching your videos for many years now and you pretty much single handedly tought me everything about djing I know. Thank you so much for your videos, insight and honestly, I love your raw video style, so iconic ♥️
I calibrated my technics thanks to you and synchronised them both together,that was back in the early 2000s,dont have them anymore,really miss em,but still dj a little,but no longer professionally in clubs..for the record !! pardon the pun,i miss that life/people incredibly !! Thanks johnathan !! :) x
For me the most DJ friendly, well thought out, and ahead of it's time deck produced since Technics was the Vestax PDX-D3.. Powerful motor, variable pitch fader settings, digital pitch display, variable pitch bend and jog toggle control, reverse, and the first to use the removeable target light. The massive downside though was the chipwood cabinet.
Vestax PDX-D3 > Technics 1200
People can tell themselves whatever they want but that is the truth
I saw your video and it was enough for me to buy a set of two RP7000. Thank you from the future to you from five years ago.
@@RC75 a lot. they are just awesome.
I've been using them every day since I received the package.
You are officially both relevant and nostalgic to me! Thank you for all your hard work! Cheers from New York!
this is by far my favorite channel to learn more about DJing and gear lol you explain the best
I think most of us back in the day started out with some dodgy decks, i had an SL-23, which was not too bad for a belty, paired with some dodgy pioneer which didnt even have a pitch control, then a set of KAM BDXs i picked up cheap, which were not much better. Then life took a different route, djing went out the window and i never did get to own a pair of the technics, had plenty of plays on them tho.
I recently got back into it all, glad i kept my vinyl, one thing i never parted with. I was looking at getting the reloop 7000s, but then i came across the audio technica lp1240, pretty much the same, just another super oem. But for £200 each, brand new boxed, it was a no-brainer really, so i went with a pair of them. Basically got a pair of them for less than the price of a single reloop7000. Happy with what i got, no regrets.
You’re a character mate, very informative review.... I’m sold on the reloop, much appreciated...
2021, still the best Sensai on the net
Technics all day, best turntable ever !
Ridiculous over priced now like
Not true and not perfect
Finally, someone who can admit that the technics is not the best at everything. Great?legendary turntable? yes, reliable ? Yes, but there are more options.
Another point about torque is the effect on back-cueing. The 1200 needs a bit of space to get up to speed, so if - for example - you want to play a record all the way out to a cold ending, then hit the very next beat dead on as you start the next record, it’s a bit of a trick. You need at least a half-turn to get to full speed, meaning you need to hit the start button sooner, and it’s fairly easy to get the timing wrong or at least imperfect. With the Reloop set to its middle position (12 o’clock) you barely need 1/8 turn, which means you can wait to hit the start button until the split second when you want to hear that first note. You can nail the segue dead on every time!
1200's don't 'need' anything...learn to use your hands.
The new generation Technics SL-1200/1210GR (May2017) Turntable's are a revised Old School version from the Technics SL-1200/1210MK2 (October1979).
I think the current New School GR Generation has now been improved in the right direction.They are now again the new standard Professional Club Turntable's as before,only better.
Great😀👍🎼🎶☘
Real DJ's play Vinyl.
Save the Vinyl.
In the past I had the Technics SL-1210 MK2 with the ortofon Concorde Scratch (pink).
Now I have the current Generation Technics SL-1210GR with the ortofon Concorde Scratch MK2.That's are very good Professional Tool's.
Once ortofon and Technics,always ortofon and Technics.
A lifelong professional DJ accompaniment.
Great😀👍🎼☘🎶
@@PA-Freak98513RY the digital pitch in the GR is terrible, the mk2 is far better for long mixes, it stays locked unlike anything with a digital pitch
your so animated I love it especially the start stop brake adjust explanation, absolutely brill.
I find this very useful. Thx, tempted to get a reloop rp-7000 mk2 but that pitch problem seems to be an issue given the fact that i just wanna use it for mixing in techno and house. I often change bpm, can play trance tracks in slowed down versions as well, so a 1200 sounds more appropriate for the purpose
What pitch problems on the rp? The only pitch problem he mentions is the latching of the pitch fader on the 1200: 33:23.
Mate thank you so much for taking the time to make this video. It’s just everything anyone needs on the subject, honest, real talk. Big thanks and much love
One feature missimg in reloop is the pressing of 33 and 45 at the time to speed beatmach.....relops are heavy,,,but great,,,sometimes to move them,,,,makes u think,,,they weight a lot, grat vid.
My favorite sl1200 is the M3D
Parts for 1210's are easy to find and for the most part cheap. Lots of third party spares available. Technics made about 3.8million of them also.
the Technics classic decks .Many are getting on but i have never seen one break .I have broken many other turntables but on the Technics only a plastic catch for the tone arm and only because im a clumsy oaf.The feet would fall off but thats because they unwind over time especially if you dont make sure they are properly wound on which is what i kept doing.Other then that with proper use they will last a very very long time.
Great comparison! Saw the Reloop 8000's and not sure I would need all the cue's and pitch changing, but who knows. 7000's seem to have all I need as a scratch turntablist. Technics are the OG's but not required.
Jesse Sanchez thank you, you just hit the nail on the head technics are really good but it’s time for a change now
100% I use 7000s mk2 vs a turntablist for dvs and they definitely do the job
been using technics for more than 5 years now. but just realized today that the platter is part of the motor. thanks for the knowledge sharing
Great demonstration and comparison, totally liked, but as many others you did not mention the large advantage of mkii having sub chassis that makes it like rock. If you knock at the top of reloop you will hear high pitch sound but when you knock a mkii it is rock solid. Of course mkii does not worth second hand all that money they ask for all the reasons you mentioned… I totally vote for reloop…
There are lots of companies making new parts for the 1200mk2. I am not sure why you say parts are hard to find and expensive for these "Classic Car of turntables."
The torque is low on the 1200's compared to any of the newer turntables available now . If you have not worked on a high torque turntable i would suggest doing so., it does do a great job even on mixing. i love mixing on those, great for those fast blends.
It depends if your mixing records or not , if your performance DJ yes you might need high torque motors , but too much high torque pressure on any turntable motor will not be great mixing records , Technics has balance of everything really that's why it's industry standard
FSwift DJ mixing has to do with more with the pitch than the torque. Which is why the pitch drive is the most important thing. High torque makes you faster getting the music to the right bpm . But if you worked on the 1200 all your life and then Blend music with a plx1000 you can do it effectively
@@hot4futureyears2come you can mix records with digital pitch even on plx1000 etc but as all club vinyl djs will say, original Analog pitch is just better with the finer pitch adjustments , they all have same pitch in Technics just that new models use a binary system that counts in block whole steps then in half etc with Analog pitch , that's why digital pitch turntable won't stay in without pitch movement every few seconds or so compared to Analog pitch , you can move the plater etc with Analog pitch to keep it in time also , with digital pitch like plx1000 it just goes all over the place
with original Technics your not constantly chasing the tempo
Your on point , with digital modern turntable your chasing the tempo too much that hinders your fader or mixer creative flow if I can put that more clear lol
@Neale yes, some might say the perfect DJ turntable every made
@@hot4futureyears2come I recently had mix on the new Technics SL 1210 Mk7 , it's really good deck but when I compared mixing vinyl record on both , the sl1200 MK2 won out , the record stayed in time longer again digital pitch and analog , the feet was also not the best and I found the deck bit light , but mixing records and DVS was alright and not as bad as many first thought but depends if djs want to pay high prices for turntable today
Technics every time for me
The standard was set a long time ago and in my opinion hasn't been beaten yet. When the reloop decks have spun for 30 odd years with no probs I will maybe give them credit.
Agree mate, it's just better all round turntable for real vinyl , your be fine with DVS with the reloop buts that's as far as it goes , if I'm DJ in club with both them decks are instantly know which turntable I'll put my record on (Technics) the other looks too light , the feet etc. It's more about the build
@ja nee I said Technics was old technology in 2000 mate , but it's still good today , the parts are solid built in Japan by Technics Panasonic ! Today's turntables have cheap parts made else where
Not much new about reloop who are part of huge DJ electronics group that have Denon , Akai, Numark etc reloop has clearly based and modelled it's deck on Technics SL 1200 mate lol
@@FSwiftDJ Re-loop 7000 series blow Technics out the water, The new Technics design is not the same as the originals, Panasonic made a massive blunder selling the copyright for Technics, Even the Vestax blew Technics away 20 years ago, especially when used for battle Djing!!!
@ Really ? If so why does Johnathan no longer use reloops then lately check his latest vinyl mixing ? He's back to Technics SL 1200 MK2 why ??? Because it's simply better to mix vinyl on ( stays in time longer ) I agree the new Technics are not great , but the original is still the best deck for mixing or the all round DJ
If you saying pioneer plx1000 was better ? Well I actually got them and I returned them in 1 week max , they couldn't hold a mix with vinyl simple
Reloops are great for performance or battle for sure but not mixing real vinyl
The design on rp 7000 is more Technics sl1200 you can see that , Vestax had great decks but was they considered club standard nope !! You never see one in any club , again we are talking original Technics sl1200 sl1210 MK2 here not the new Technics sl1200 Mk7 that is very like a failed Technics sl1210 mk5g deck
Your better off getting an expensive Technics SL 1200 GR then them
Minus the feet.
Back to subject , we are not talking high torque motor performance or features , we are talking solid builds, Solid parts that have stood the test of time with qualtz direct motor and analog pitch that has been the choice for every professional vinyl club djs from late 80s till this day
It's a deck that is an all round performer .
@@FSwiftDJ Because he is a Technics fan boy and cannot see past the brand name, The old skool Vestax pdx mark 1 and 2 absolutely blew Technics away in every department and that was 20 years ago, are you saying other manufacturers can't surpass a 40 year old deck is that what you are trying to say?? i've had Technics sl1200s sold them bought Vestax pdx mrk 1, As for the re-loop i've used them and thought they Where easily as good if not better than Technics, they have a ton of better feutures, one's i dd a set on where the 8000s right enough but same motor as the 7000s and thats my opinion as a Dj who's played for 26 years..
“Put the needle on the record” :-) great words from the old days, song
Excellent review, having previously owned 1210s, and now currently own the RP7000 mk2s I can honestly say that the Reloops are a better turntable!
While the Technics are still legendary products to me, I now own the Reloop 7000Mk2 Silver Edition and it's a very, very good turntable ... The SL1200 could still be good but they're often overpriced and yes, they're getting old ... on the other hand I know about the upcoming Technics MK7 but their target retail price is more than twice a 7000Mk2 and since my Reloop is doing a good job, I just can't justify a switch ... moreover, I'm not sure I want to bring a $2000 turntable ($4000 for a pair) into an hostile / club environment ... in the past Technics was the best ... I agree ... but time flies and nowadays it's different ... :-)
@@daniellheureux4867 Totally agree! I couldn't afford a pair of the new Technics or justify spending that much money on them, so after reading several good reviews on the RP7000 Mk2s, that's what I went for and honestly think performance wise, they are better than the 1210s
what about the digital vs analog pitch fader discussion? I'm only starting and have a pair of numark tt200 turntables which are as low budget as possible, but i'm able to mix fine on them... i see a lot of people disregarding any turntable that has a digital pitch fader compared to an analog, they say you can't properly beatmatch on digital faders...
as an owner of both, would you said that the difference is really that much? i find it really hard to believe and i think it's just something technics fanboys like to repeat as part of their cult mantra rather than base it on actual experience with both.
@@256k_ I can't tell the difference to be honest, it's not an issue
@@256k_ I had the Numark TT200s for about 10 years and replaced them with RP8000s. I used to DJ on Technics in Clubs ant the Numarks felt cheaper and not as accurate as the Technics but were good enough for home. The RP8000 is on another level. Not missing Technics at all anymore
Yo ive been watching you for ever i think 2005
My first DJing was in 1980...now I am very happy with my 7000MK2s...with CONCORDE CLUB MK2 ... a perfect combo for my dance mixes...
Your video is AWESOME! Great detail and fun, too. Me👍🏻🙏🏻🎼🎶🎵🔊🕺💃🚀
PS: (nearly) never used the pitch... a good DJ is doing the natural way ... Combine the songs where the best transition comes ...
Regular DJ works started in 1983 to 1985... never had a platter at home ... did some mix tapes for the guest, indeed... only one side of the tape and then the next guest...and some for me, too. But only a very few - unfortunately... did digi them as wav-files... E.g. did one in spring/summer '84, if you are interested in hearing some VINYL mixing WITHOUT PITCH... I can send you a mp3...cheers, Joachim
PS: please provide your email address for the link.
Try ortofon DVL cart. Youll never go back.
@@outnode366 could not find a DVL named cart. ...
@@leonhardtart7163 Typo sorry VNL
@@outnode366 just found it, thanks.👍🏻
Reloop all Day. The only point where the Technics wins clearly is brand image. but if the reloop exactly as it is there would have been released from technics everybody would have loved it and hyped the improvement.
You are wrong, I own 2 sl 1210 mk 2 and a reloop rp7000mk 2, the digital pitch is not accurate enough on the reloop, it has to be tweaked almost constantly to keep in time, unlike the 2 1210's that stay synced for ages before even the slightest drift, also the wow and flutter on the reloop is much higher, the printed specs of the reloop are wrong hence the star beside the figure of 0.01 wow and flutter , it's actually 0.1% which is 10 times higher than a Technics , this would also add to drift of speed combined with the lame pitch control of a reloop, and all those important factors aside the techns have lasted the test of time, and some, and some more ....Love to see a reloop still working in 30 years lol
@@michaelcurran9442 Oh bullshit there is no problem with mine. Keep making up excuses fanboy.
Such a great review.
The best I've seen so far.
I always dreamed of owning a pair of 1200's ... mum got sick of changing my bedding 😍
Chaz Walker 😂
We all feel you here
I learned how to beat-match on a pair of crappy Gemini turntables. They were awful and required constant work and the lightest touch to keep everything in sync. I remember playing on 1200s for the first time and it was soooo easy!
You ever done a video on the statnton sp-150s?
One of the best comparision videos. i like it.
Love the video I can't believe manufacturers have not gone the full mile before and built a new version with all the bells and whistles. Great video well put across, easy to follow your comparisons . I may be a silly idea. But here goes. I have a Rega3 and no I'm not a dj. But I love the look of the Reloop 7000 . In your opinion would this deck be any good for home Hi_Fi or am I better off sticking with the Rega 3. I don't intend replacing the Rega with the Reloop just having the pair of them . I'd like to know your take on adding it to my music room.
The Reloop looks nice but the Technics (except the mk7) keeps its value better however, if that's something important to you.
XRTA DOPE VIDEO MY GUY..explained really detailed. My question is about turntables im getting back to DJing and i like the reloop turntables. So what I need to know is what's the difference between the RELOOP RP-7000 MK2 PROFESSIONAL UPPER TORQUE TURNTABLE SYSTEM and the RELOOP DIRECT DRIVE DJ TURNTABLE AMS-RP 7000 MK2.
hello! thanks for the video! a simple question: is the reloop 7000 mk2 the next after the technics 1200 mk2? I'm not talking about buying between them, I'm talking about currently that follows in quality thanks
Mokum slipmat? Nice :).
Johnathan's got a big clock
Hello Johnathan,
Did you try the RP7000 on a big system to test it's resistance to feedback (using reel vinyl, of course)?
I wonder if we can trust those new turntables on this particular aspect.
But the RP7000 look fine, even if I prefer the recessed platter, personnaly.
Divadisco in 2009 i had Reloop RP4000s and they worked perfect in huge Clubs! So the 7000s will do too!
I have played with the reloops at the Notting hill carnival on a 50 k rig no worries.
If the Reloop is as reliable as the Technics by the time you need spares for it the parts will be just as hard to get as for the Technics 😀
Hi. One quick question. How did you find the Digital Pitch on Reloop. Any good/hard work/compared to analog? Much appreciated
i used to use reverse on my old audio technica turntables.
i placed an empty plastic cd case cover underneath the vinyl, turned the headshell needle pointing up.. and mixed like that lol.
just for show of course.
Hi, Thank you for great review and all job you are doing on yt. Its very helpful! 🙏I have a question, which of these two would you recommend for old skool funk begginer dj. My old soul is telling me technics but i think Its little bit easier to mix on reloop?
How would you compare digital pitch on reloops to analog pitch o technics?
Personally I can't tell the difference!
It would be easy to say if it's good or bad if we actually knew the resolution...
But I'm going to say this: CDJs also have digital pitch control (of course with finite resolution). If that's good enough for the best of djs out there, then it's good for us too.
I have a pair of the original rp8000's. I mix vinyl and love the lcd display of the pitch for fine beat matching. With technics and rp7000 you kind of guess how much you moved the slider. When beatmatching by ear you can quickly move the fader in tiny increments and know you didnt nudge it too much. This helps when your trying to blend records fast. I can keep 2 records matched for over a minute with the rp8000 before manipulating the platters...not all the time though...same goes for MK5.
@@moscasucio1686 dude you see the bpm on the 8000 as a standalone or it needs stupid laptop serato system to show the bpm on the 8000s screen.
Thanks bro
Thanks bro
@@moralrevulsionLive no im talking about pitch percentage. By no means does it show bpm on vinyl
This is really helpful breakdown, thanks so much!
thanks for the info. how does the rp7000mk2 compare to the less expensive audio tecnica turntable
This is gonna be interesting to say the least
I like how you didn't go in to great detail about the history of the technics.. I'm sure there was other direct drive decks at the time but they weren't technics.. i saw a hip hop documentary and a budding young american dj who was forever experimenting with electronics one day went in to a shop like rumbelows and was looking for a turntable that can get up to speed very quickly and found the technics did that.. i guess technics realised what they had and improved on that turntable which meant it was going to be used pretty much everywhere.. radio stations and clubs ... that young american dj was grandwizzard theodore.. the turntable was possibly an original 1200 designed for home use.. it was the bees knees... the rolls royce of dj turntables ..everyone who dj'd had to have the technics...it was the rolex watch equivalent...
Maybe some things are different where you live,but the Technics never gave me any issues in 20+ years,except for i might need to change the RCA cables soon,Also,we havw 1200s in pawn shops,we can buy them,etc,etc,and they even made new Technics.i am curious about the Reloops though......
Disagree a little bit about service ability of tech 1200's. There are a ton of third party spares and Technics is still producing spare parts for the decks. As well as this you can often fix the tables yourself because there is so much knowledge and documentation over the years on the internet. Also because these decks are STILL the industry standard, DJ repair shops know how to fix them. I have myself replaced pitch faders, and re-calibrated the pitch on a 1200 and it was dead easy. Parts are accessible and not too cheap considering how bloody long they last if looked after.
You remind me of the legend mark e.g. great review mate.
Iv watched a great deal of your videos over last cpl of years and that cough might be worth getting checked out bro. Just saying
New skool or not I would never swap my mk2s for the reeloops. Not to say they are garbage but technics or at least the older ones are the best and bullet proof
Skinny Pete knows his turntables!
i think you can remove the little metal ball from the 1200s pitch fader to get rid of the click.
I like the click. Just letting u know it's on the 0 lol.
@@Silkmaster4200 the light does that 😂
Technics still is the champ n still look beautiful in that color if you got it in good shape n last for years n you know that turntablist have beat the sht out of the1200mk 2 when they do scratch n battle style n you know that I got mine since 1989 rock the sht out of them man they still work like a champ just have to maintenance them one a year n you be good I think is one of the best turntable ever made n we use them to scratch n battle style when hip hop rap came out in the 70s that was underground for what I remember we use the technics 1100 mk 2 those first n those are heavy too made like the wheel of steel I still got a pair n working like a champ but when the 1200 came out we use them cus of the pitch control was better for mixing music anyway that reloop look nice n cheaper than the new technics that cost to much n they made them cheap not the same as the 1200 mk 2 legend that why I rather buy a reloop 7000 cus they build like the old technics out of the wheel of steel I'm going to buy one to check them out now n day they made turntable out of plastic oh wood in the 70s thing was build well n better on japan not china that is garbage stuff😁😂 2021 bronx new york like your video man you the best thank you
I wish the replacement 1200 tone arms (byPanasonic ) were still readily available. I’d hate dropping $200 on a common failing bearing.
Digital pitch Vs analog pitch ,
You should mix some records on both turntables as test at same time Pitch them up and get them in time, leave them playing, I tell you now the reloop won't stay in time like the technics that's where today's decks fail with real vinyl
technics sl1200 MK2 will always be the better deck turntable to mix real records but for scratch performance both but reloop better in that area with features, DVS both will be the same depending on DJ software , no doubt technics will have quality parts that stand the test of time, this reloop is great turntable, but will it stand the same test of time ?
@1CBRDUDE i agree , but I wouldn't say he has no clue on this subject mate , the guys been mixing on Technics decades with experience , what I would say is that yes these reloops digital pitch might stay in time for bit but your have to keep adjusting the pitch chasing it, digital pitch works in blocks there is no fine tune between each block like Analog pitch , that's why Technics pitch stays in time longer ( fine adjustments ) also Technics qualtz decks direct drive motor is just the best for mixing records there is no high torque or super etc it's just nice balance
1CBRDUDE p
Really considering getting one of these. Rn I have an audio technica atlp120 and for scratching it's not ideal. I've learned the basic scratches but the torque isn't that good. Would 1 of these be worth the upgrade?
ive had probably 5 pairs of 12s over the years and i went to buy new ones but the price was a joke .. i bought pioneers and im well happy .
What have you done with them if you had like 5 pairs already lol? I thought those things last like forever... Or did you just buy new ones whenever a replaceable part broke?
@@Ex0rz this is over 25 years , ive bought and sold a few times , gave up djing couple times and put money to a holiday and crap like that .. wernt till i got older i realised the value in things , wish i kept them now .
All true but there is one big difference. Analog vs digital pitch... for vinyl mixing in some styles its a huge difference. And this is the thruth.
Cheers mate and keep up the good work
Yes, I was about to comment the same thing.
The Reloop's are just as good as any other Hanpin motor turntable, so you may as well buy the Reloop's rather than spending stupid money on Pioneer PLX1000's as they are all the same under the lid.
And, if you are more into scratching, with simple beatmatching ie dropping tunes in over 2 to 4 bars, using timecodes, then any Hanpin deck will probably be fine.
But, for long transitions on real vinyl, you really need a Technics Mk2, M3d, or Mk5, because only those have analogue pitch sliders (which still control a digital circuit - but the adjustment is a lot finer).
Digital pitch sliders such as the later Technics (M5g onwards) and Hanpin / super oem decks, have large steps in the pitch adjustment which causes real problems for long mixes with real vinyl.
Also, higher torque motors, are not a good thing for delicate mixing, because the platters 'fight against' your finger drags and then slow down too much. On The original Technics, you can literally drag a nail on the platter and slow it by a tiny amount, thus a finer adjustment is possible.
But in current days you only can buy digital pitch turntables. Who knows if in the future we can buy new turntables with analog pitch
@@djmoli04 You can still buy refurbished Mk2/M3d/Mk5 with brand new pitch sliders, and repainted so they look and work like new.
@@DjNikGnashers Thats not true... I´m DJing for over 20 years and i always used technics. I gave the RP 7000 MK2s a shot.. First i have to got used to the pitch but if you have figured it out, then it just works like a charm. I uploaded a minimal video set on my channel where you can see there is no weird pitch correcting every 2 bars... in my opinion the pitch of the reloop is sensitive af compared to the technics.
@@ThomasTune82 Which part of my comment 'is not true' according to you.
I have been DJ-ing since 1980 (42 years), so if we are point scoring I win.
You have not even said if you are mixing real vinyl or digital files via timecode.
I suggest you read what I said again in a bit more depth and then comment.
Just a thought....the most important thing on 1210 is the analog pitch fader.....its super super fine, I'm not sure you get that with digital pitch faster as it has stepping?
The only thing I hate about the 1210 is the center click of the pitch fader which they fixed on the mk3
@@digitalbase9396 but were mk 3 digital or analog pitch faders😉
The digital pitch was introduced in the mk5 deck according to Wikipedia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technics_SL-1200
@@digitalbase9396 I think your right...I had my 1210 mk 2 faders replaced ....he replaced them with no click...although I kinda missed it for a while.
How dose beat matching on those compare to technics
Yo ive been thinking on getting two reloops rp 7000s
Wich one sounds best?
Brilliant video, thanks.
İ just bouth 2 omnitronic 2250 direct drive turntables for 30 quid a pair. They need service and parts are preety much unavailable so tomorrow i will tear them apart for pitch cleaning and stuff.
Wish me luck :)
*Is it time? Time to lay Technics to rest? Is it time to realize that there are better turntables out there? Better turntables for mixing? Better turntables for scratching? Better turntables for sound quality? The 12's are a classic turntable and without it DJing would not look the way it does BUT it's time to move on!*
I can’t let go of mine, I’ve had them since 1995 and they are going strong.
Digital Base If you have a Technics, by all means keep it, treasure it but just be aware that it’s no longer the ”best” turntable out there.
If I had to buy new turntables I would probably buy something at a reasonable price and performance that has the abilities of the technics as a minimum. I have already moved on years ago anyway and I’m not attached to turntables for djing. I’m surprised turntables are still around because not everyone needs them like turntabilists and hip hop djs do.
Digital Base Technics is already the base for pretty much every DJ turntable anyway.
It is still the best turntable... what would be better than a technics? People only dislike them because they 've got only +8/-8 but what do "people" know anyway?
Isn't there a pitch issue on the Relloop? Such as having to chase it back once it's locked in sync? That's a problem you don't get on SLs.
This really helped, exactly the vid I needed, Cheers
You are a classic!!!!
Can you do a video on the SYNQ XTRM-1? I heard it's a pretty good competitor with the technics sl1200
Google "super OEM turntables"...ua-cam.com/video/XEEe_xxmKBg/v-deo.html , In this vid Jonathan is using the exact same turntable by Kam from eleven years ago!
Are the reloop good for beatmixing
I wish you had a video about these decks while you are mixing with them and sharing your opinions. I am keen, but I don’t want to get a classic car, it has been repaired, repainted, crashed and pimped too many times, plus is too old now.
Nice Mokum slipmat on the 12 👌
Best channel
I own a pair of 1210mk2's but I'm looking to replace them as they have had a hard life. I'm thinking of buying a pair of mint 1210mk2's again but the RP-8000 /RP-7000 MK2's sound interesting.
The one thing I want to know about is how does a digital pitch feel like compared to the analogue one that I'm used to?
Good informative channel 👍
@@kepplerkeppler6407 I'm considering that. The only thing is they are a bit rough with bubbling pains and chips. I may service and then get them wrapped possibly. Im not going the digital fader route as I've heard bad things about them
Cheers
@@Rob060870 yeah don't go down the digital fader route please, especially if you're going to be doing long mixes and transitions. They're absolutely great for scratch DJs, or modern EDM DJs who's do 10 second transitions.
great video, thank you Sir
how the pioneers PLX 1000 compares to the 7000 mk2? Whats your thought bout them, id like to know, are they good??
They've got the same motor, but the pioneer lacks some features
If you had to choose RP 7000 Mk2 over PLX 1000 which one would you go for.... I am looking at both.
They're both the essentially the same:
modeled after the Hanpin DJ-5500
@@ajthefunkmonster4767 I ended up with two fully refurbed 1210s :)
3yrs later has anyone has rp7000s for that time? How do they fare after 3yrs. How do they hold the pitch vs techies? I have 3x pairs of techies but for my small underground broadcast i aint taking my techies there so i thought maybe rps.
Any thoughts from someone who has had both?
What’s the sound quality like between the two Turntables?
Build quality of Technics tone arm and gimble is far superior than all the other copies...would be the first part to get damaged when travelling from party to part...the Technics tone arm setup is bullet proof.
Apararently you can remove the pitch ball bearing that makes the zero click on the SL mk2
Replacement pitch faders are modular and replaceable without soldering up untill the mk7
Reloop and other copies have digital pitch faders soldered to board.😢😢
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you can remove it, but it doesnt make sense since around the +-0 pitch adjustments wont have any effect
I am looking to change turntables so reloop will be my next I love technics but it’s time for a change
what are you talking about? Why would you change a technics for a reloop? It's foolish. The money you would spend on reloops, better invest it in a proper restoration of your technics. Technics will never be beaten. The sound is superb on PA systems and also for homelistening it has a very very strong sound. Reloop is not a professional audio tool, technics is!
I disagree I have had them serviced but like the man said the parts are getting really expensive. I had them for a long time and I didn’t pay a penny for my technics. The rca cables crackle like anything the pop up lights failed again for the 3rd time reloop just look way more appealing
Lenin on acid stop being such a technics fanboy they aren't the best of the best
@@shanefishley379 sounds like whoever is servicing your Technics isn't doing a great job
Ok next bedroom dj
I suppose the Technics has a brake and torque adjust potentiometer below the platter. They are under small holes, and reachable specific positions, maybe trough the holes in the platter.
In the MK5 it has, but MK2 i'm not sure.
78RPM was using about the gramophone era, maybe the '20s thtough the '50s.
The problem with the Technics decks are virtual, imho. They were abandoned for about a decade, and the rival brands evolved. Thats the deal. Technics are essentials in the club scene, and if you can play with them, you can use the other brands, too, they are basically the same. Technics was the godfather of the DJ turntables, and they made it etalon. All the knobs, buttons, sliders, lights in the newest models are the same positions as where Technics placed in the late '70s.
yeah yeah yeah whatever. and 'etalon', wtf??
Am happy with my 2nd hand stanton T-80's awesome thsy are lol
and they are not
One platter sits a little lower too!
What's currently the best value and quality turntable . No snobbery or cult fandom . Imagine if it was a blind taste test.. no prior biases? i dont care about label.. i want quality and a good workhorse
So who won the pioneers ddj 400 contest from last year? Hope your well brother, Love and Respect from Detroit !!!
great information!
It took 40 years for a turntable to get to the level of the mk2 technics...its now 2019 and I'd still buy a mk2 cause they are tanks...they proven themselves over time...technology is so advanced but the reloop is nothing but a copy!