Minimum wage should be £18.00 per hour nothing less. Companies are still trying to pay £12.00 or less, you can earn more shelf stacking. We are professional drivers and should be treated with dignity by the general public and customers. Now the country has a crisis with goods not being delivered and Jo public will suffer plus companies will go out of business, this is all down to the people treating drivers like poo and being payed poorly. Perhaps if we had better facilities, better pay and treated like a human being then you might make it more attractive to become a hgv driver.
@@tommoorcroft6680 I know, same when people say, “cleaners earn more”… yeh for 2hrs here and there, plus they have to take taxes and equipment out of that.
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Folks didn't these guys keep our supermarkets stocked during the pandemic.. didn't they risk there lives further if hurtling up and down dangerous motorways is not enough?...Don't we owe an debt of gratitude don't we all deserve some respect for basic health and safety or are we all really just the willing slaves for an government that doesn't give an damn about anyone over anything?...Get these hours reduced get the safety of the employee and the people at the the top of the pile and along with the proper rest get these guys an decent wage and some humane working conditions..Do this before those empty supermarket shelves quickly turn into your empty bellies!!
Unfortunately during the lockdown, yes we kept running. Done our bit more hours an nights away for a take the piss wage. Well things have changed in drivers minds now, we are getting mutinous. We want better, not the scraps we've had for a while. There is a day of action personally I'd do a week to fk it right up.. We do hours that'd kill a donkey for not a lot.
UK Too little too late I wish I never got my class 1 licence We've been treated like shit by employers Paid piss poor money Shit forced on us by eu criminals Dangerous wankers on the road Stay away from driving hgv's in uk
I hope the supermarkets do empty, as an ex LGV driver, i can say i support all the lorry drivers, I won't go back to long hours low pay no toilets. tired all the time and treated like a dog . Stuff it.. Even if my tummy is empty, sod um. And if you're thinking of doing this work well i'd give that a rethink.. if you also think things will get better by looking at those videos that turn off the comments section, then take a look take a look at this done over 7 years ago, btw nothings changed other than thing's have got worse. Why because they lie and have no clue on how to fix thing's and why's that.. I'll tell you in 6 simple words. They have never done the job. How can you have someone trying or telling you how to fix something when they themselves have no insight or never done the work. It's a joke. Any how here is your link enjoy ua-cam.com/video/1NPiD3spU2I/v-deo.html
Great Video Will! Everything you said is spot on! I left Class 2 driving a year ago! Was sick of all of the shit that came with it! You Hgv drivers deserve so much more respect!
Hello! I'm one of many many fellow drivers, myself 42 years experience I'm leaving because of the bullshit cpc i don't need a person Who don't hold a hgv licence to tell me my job simples! Stay safe Pompey Tex.
That is one of the reasons why I got out last. I only had just over a year left before I had to renew. Then the chance came along to get out and I more than gladly jumped and I'm so glad I did.
As a non lorry driver, I was, until now, not privy to this information. But hearing what you have to say, has humbled me. This has been informative. A change of government is needed here, and all companies to be better regulated, and made accountable, instead of the drivers shouldering this huge burden.
European 🇪🇺 drivers (Polish) mainly , greedy hauliers and Agencies have destroyed this industry ! I think this is great news the shortage as the pay rates are on the up !
Weird. I am on a FB group for Polish drivers in the UK and they've been collectively supporting each other in declining jobs, and name and shame agencies which offer silly money.
I'm Polish and I'm driving in this shitty industry for 4 years now. I did my licence here in UK. You say we come here and do it for less? We also got the common sence and can do simple math. Its not worth it and I always say that, people who dont rebel are British. You keep your jobs for years even though being paid silly money. Me personally would never stay another day after learning what's the job and what's the pay. Dont be afraid of standing up for your rights my friends
I enjoy driving. I drive for a local firm, start early, do twelve hours, go all over, take home good money. Yeah, some people are unpleasant, the odd forklift or gate house person, but they probably cant do anything else or put much thought into life, but I don't let them bring me down, I have a happy home life. There is currently loads of work and you get what you give. With a bit of tweaking, and a positive attitude from us all, it could get better.
Pay needs to go up. But people need to treat drivers as human. At 63 took redundancy and run. I can no longer deal with some stupid child telling me what to do.
I packed in when Kung flu started 3/3/20. Ago 60. Had enough of ignorant bosses, ignorant car drivers, doin 15 HR shifts, waitin for 3 hrs at Tesco ,and then not gettin tipped . Then falling asleep at the wheel. Trying to get in at a truck stop for my 45, the stress you get in this job is not worth it. And everything this lad is sayin is true. I'm enjoying retirement . Good luck lad
I'm surprise no one is using CB radio, in Poland every truck-driver have one and communicate all the time, speed radar, best food around, parking space, roadblocks ect. make a day go faster.
CPC.sore point there,i done 3 modules all the same and 2 the same,i asked why this is and was told"doesnt matter as long as you do 35 hours" that screams cash cow.and is why i left the industry.that was the last straw for me.
I drove for 25 years and I can't do it any longer. Did European work for 7 years, that was a wonderful experience, but the business model has changed. Driving in the UK, day or night, has become an absolute lottery of road closures and diversions. Europe was an absolute breath of fresh air until you start heading for Dear Old Blighty again. You can't sleep without fear of robbery or immigrants stowing away onboard. Everybody is so entitled these days that they think you must yield to them at every opportunity, for which you are always deemed to be at fault. Loved it. Now I hate it. Another driver that quit.
I work on a concrete pump and I was asked if I wanted to go for my Artic licence a while back and if I went for it I whould be earning a lot LESS then I am now working on concrete trucks Artic driver's should be getting £22:50 an hour minimum for doing that job. Things need to changed.
I have had my HGV 1 since 1997 and my reasons for not driving are VOSA, WAGES, and SMART MOTORWAYS and endless traffic jams they cause, this CPC courses expense, endless rules and regulations, parking hassel I got and I could go on. My mate is a tiler and he is on £200 plus a day. If I could sell my licence it would be on eBay now 😕
£10 an hour that's the problem you have to work a 50-60 hour week to earn a decent wage. Drivers willing to work those hours for a pittance is part of the problem, now with brexit and covid there's a shortage and maybe wages will increase. Really hope they don't pay you £10.50 an hour for that container load you did in this video. I work on agency for Royal Mail and earn a lot more per hour than that.
@@grantpowley3848 worked all January this year though may be Covid related. The point is £10 an hour for class one is too low and you have to work 50-60 hours to earn a half decent wage (£600 before tax for 60 hours is a joke, people say lawyers or corporates work those hours but they earn that monthly wage in a week or less)
@@frakius that’s very true. I was interested in getting my lorry license because I currently work as a van driver lwb sprinter doing like 30-40 drops a day and on £10.50 an hour. Crazy there are class 1 jobs paying less than I’m on now. If working that many hours the pay cheque should be a lot higher than you get for the work.
Very authentic, articulate, genuinely weary and should be listened to by government, as politicians like to play at Bob the Builder with their hard hats+hi viz for the cameras.
Train drivers also have to pass a PTS coarse (Personal Track Safety) the pass rate for this is 93% it's an extremely hard Network Rail test, I recently did a PTS coarse at a college at age 57, eight weeks of intensive training / practical & theory with tests all along the way, it cost the job centre £3,500 each applicant ... out of the 22 applicants on the coarse only 8 of us passed the coarse and out of that 8 that passed only 4 managed to get jobs ... I've done HGV 1, and the PTS coarse was extremely hard to pass, you had to have a pass rate of 93% to get qualified... HGV driving is a doddle compared to PTS believe me ... Rail-track jobs are the second most dangerous job in the UK, the first most dangerous job being working for construction on the motorways ...
@@tony2682 I see the Govt has just extended the drivers hours extension from 8th August to now 3rd October but the haulier has to notify the govt of why it needs drivers hours extended ... It's a real mess which I dont see how this is going to take up the slack ... Problem is more HGV drivers are needed but where are they gonna come from ... ?
@@DeanoTheSaxman Me @ 66 Would pass now that PTS piece of p... Worked in the 80s at Neville hill (leeds) shunting the Intercity's not on the (MAIN) into the sheds...Had my Full DL since 17..Ex RCT 15yrs..Like I say up n Down the Tracks, LESS hazards than M/ways Aroads Broads..Unloading etc...Rmbr they feed the nation..yes Ive seen the TESCO containers up n down the tracks..but what happens then at the buffers/freight yard..picked up by HGV, then the Hazards start.
@@DeanoTheSaxman Well as I said a Grand £ incentive for HGV drivers for Tesco's other supermarkets following I hear..and just to compete with Rail..Trials are out for Driverless HGVs on the motorway the size of those AUSSIE road trains...Anyway Both Rail and HGV is a Skill no University can teach, its Hands on', and sadly no parity in Renumeration
I'm moving from an office job to go into this game. The wages will be about half once I'm up and running. All jobs have stress and I ended up hating the bullshit that corporate life had. I'm hoping this change in career will give me the freedom of the open road. Whilst I watched this with a little fear, I will still pursue and if I don't like it, I'll change career again. Interesting insight though...
Be careful what you wish for brother. Ain't no freedom of the open road, and you are largely held personally liable for others' ballsups and shortcomings. I continue to sit on the sidelines & see what changes come before I use my class 1 again. Don't expect any drastic reductions in stress levels - it simply manifests differently.
I love being around HGVs. I am currently NOT a hgv driver but even I have found that some services are horrible. You are very much correct Will with what I have seen in your video. Services need to be updated by having better places to park and the facilities should be updated as well. I think that people who make services should talk to hgv drivers and find out what need to change. Great video as always
Will, I drive for xpo delivering milk, but just had a driving assessment for Sainsburys and got the job. But not sure I’m gonna take it! It pays a lot more than I’m on now and a lot closer to where I am in Romford but for a country with not many class 1 or 2 drivers Sainsburys are only offering a 1 year contract…. What a joke
Store deliveries, yuck… I went for a assessment 2 years ago but didn’t like their way of working so didn’t take it any further. Runs are all over the place, you get a set route to take and not allowed to divert from that route, no sat nav allowed only their paper maps
@@TruckerWillHiab I know what your saying I was at Dagenham Tesco for 3 years before leaving for NFT at tilbury docks but got made redundant last January so ending up at arla now xpo
@@Bigboy664u hello Mark if the depo is run by Arla they are sound but xpo have taken over here now and it’s not the same but we have just got a pay rise
If they do a test on CPC that'd be half the truckers off the road as no one takes notice I've seen drivers asleep in the chair on courses,there was a coach driver he'd come from Paris that night sat at desk on CPC he slept through the whole lot
I've seen many class 2 and class 1 jobs advertised recently at ridiculously low salary. £10.50 for class 2 and £11.50 for class 1. Even if you are brand new DO NOT accept anything less that £14ph class 2 and £16 pH class 1. This is the minimum you should be considering. Too many companies out there trying to take the piss out of new drivers. Don't fall for it. Look for agency work instead if you want to gain experience. You will be paid a good rate not a joke rate
WHAT MUST CHANGE?!? THE BACKLOG IN DVLA MUST CHANGE 54,000 LICENCES LIE UNPROCESSED IN DVLA WHILE THEIR DRIVERS TEAR THEIR HAIR OUT AT HOME, WANTING TO WORK. THOUSANDS OF CONTAINERS STACKED UP IN PORTS, UNDELIVERED . CLEAR THE BACKLOG IN THE DVLA AND YOU CLEAR THE SHORTAGE SIMPLE AS!!
One way to solve the driver shortage Will especially to the RDC drops is bring in B doubles like we have here in Oz just keep them away from the city centers and tight roads from what I see most RDC drops are just off the motorways that might solve some problems but you have weight restrictions on your roads so maybe not just a thought
Only one thing will fix it. Unity and solidarity amongst drivers. Was a thought of mine 15 years ago as a driver doing mad hours, but was quickly told to stop dreaming, it will never happen. However there is a shortage now, no one to fill the seats if you stop and protest. That’s what you need to do. Protest! Organize a stop the truck and walk away, nationally. Cause chaos like the farmers! Otherwise you are taking it on the chin. As we do.
3 years ago,Lorries foreigners worked for 4.5pound/hour,motel based ,no Nino and 15 hour shift .Big bosses have laughing stock in offices.I looked online and jobs offered are almost the same as 4 years ago. In Denmark from 2020 new hourly rate of DKK 164.96 (19.19 pound) an hour was announced. The rate was applicable as of January 1st.There houses are more cheap than in U.K just to make an ideea. Rules also mean that foreign Lorrie driver working in Denmark must be paid the same while they are in the country. This will be strictly enforced from 2020
I was looking into going back into LGV driving, but I think I will wait a while. The hourly rate is what I used to get 15 years ago and the drivers welfare seems to be far worse.
The government media outlets have never released a truthful story. There's 17 of us class1 drivers working in a Amazon warehouse fir better conditions & money than is offered class1 driving in my area lol
Thank you Will, wonderfully presented. For at least 10 years I have been trying to explain much of this to owner / directors and convince them to be kind to drivers and to send managers out with drivers ocassionally to get an understanding of what perils you face on a daily basis. I really feel for you and know what you are saying is spot on. Total respect for what you do, incredibly skilled and I have yet to meet a driver that lacks commitment and devotion and actually the nicest folk in businesses I've worked in. I do hope the British public start to get right behind you. I'd salary you with great benefits and point the fines back at employers if it was my decision. Keep the faith, lets hope things start to change very quickly for the better and much better
I told my boss i was going to leave,and got a bit or a pay rise because he new it was hard to get a good driver with the shortage of drivers,I drive a class 2 with a hiab ,wages when from 11.50 to 13.50
Im sticking to the old rules they can shove there extra hours. Nobody is going to starve there is plenty of food to go round. Another example of the media hyping things up. Drivers have been treated like scum for years in this country. A train driver wouldnt work for 15 hours and then sleep in a siding. Why the hell should a lorry driver.
The BIGGEST part of this problem, is that people do the job anyway. No matter how bad the conditions are, there’s plenty of people that say “Meh, I’ll just do it anyway” I’m a driver in Australia who has made 6 figures for the last few years. If they try to reduce our pay etc… we’re all ready to walk out of the job. As long as you’re willing to do the job, you have little right to complain.
Driver CPC, go there and do the same module 5 times and fall a sleep with some Polish drivers or stay at home send the money and get the the micky mouse CPC its all a con , some one telling what to do that you have been doing for the last 25 years,. They did not show me how to rope and sheet
over here in the usa, I am not sure about other states. But in my state of hawaii. I applied as a truck driver to a company, they have apprenticeship to help me train to drive for 3 months, then I take the final license test at the Department of Motor Vehicle. Once I pass I get another endorsement on my drivers license to drive a truck. That's it. Been a trucker for 2 years i am a rookie. But i am bus driver for 17 years and I wanted to try something new. Good job though my fellow trucker, keep your head up.
Get rid of that CPC that serves no purpose whatsoever to ask a driver with 30_40yrs experience to sit in a classroom and listen to the same old thing is a bloody insult& a waste of money there's no excuse for experience.
One of the things I've never understood when You are late to a tip off is when They say "Sorry mate, You are late, You'll have to come tomorrow" but the company is still runing and other lorries are being offloaded. So I always ask the same question: "How come, offloading 30 minutes later is worse than doing It the next day?" What type of logic is that? Most of the times, when You challenge them (always with respect. Not shouting or using bad words and with a smile in your face), They end up letting You in. Only a couple times They asked me to stay in the yard until the following day and I said "No, if You don't take It now, I'll be back to my yard and You won't see this load again". I did It once and the boss nearly sacked me but I told him "You can sack me now if You want or next time, You can pick up that phone and be by my side and push them, so They offload me". The second time I was going back after a no tip off, told the boss and after 10 milles He called me and said "everything is sorted now, They are waiting for You". A good boss fights for his company too alongside the drivers.
Agency or not if there's no work your all out, i was booked in for 2 years at DHL im presently in dpd been here over a year, im booked in work or not till next August, if there's no work i get paid 8 hours at £19.31 . I would never do general Haulage again its like going back to the stone age.
Cpc should be abandoned, mainly due to the people teaching it, I've been on more than one course where the drivers have had to correct the teacher as they was wrong, it's just a money making scheme.
the driving industry will be driverless by 2035 just type volvo vera in to youtube etc volvo have had a driverless truck that has no cab since 2018 up s have driverless trucks already in the states there is driverless mercedes sprinters already trucks are all but driverless now the only thing that isnt in most new trucks is the steering etc
Yes you have it right for container drivers and wages, really crap and you need to do 48 hours before overtime is paid with most companies and at £12 to £13 per hour overtime rate. How is that an overtime rate. It's total crap and exploitation of drivers and even nightwork rates aren't much better. You can spend hours at a dock waiting to get loaded or unloaded and there are no toilet facilities while you wait... come on that is not safe or legal.
You said that 10.50£ is not a bad wage at the beginning of your talk about drivers and you also said that container drivers are working 15 hour days. Whilst drivers are stupid enough to work those ridiculous hours then you will never ever get a decent hourly wage. Just listening to you talking about 10 hours being a short day is the whole reason that you are treated like shit and paid accordingly. When I started driving trucks almost forty years ago drivers worked normal hours , ten hour at the most. That isn't driving that's the shift. Why do drivers except a difference between driving and loading or waiting ? A shift should never be more than 10 hours. I was paid £25 night out money in the 1980s..drivers are still getting that or less today.
I’m trying to get my class one,done my class 2 and that was hard work on and off because of Covid,they have failed me twice right at end of the full hour of test,I’m a good driver and drove like an angel one fail was skimming the bus lane line 🙄bus lane line was wide as a pavement,classed as being in bud lane 😡 secco drive test was right at the end again I kissed the curb,re test is 325 it’s cost me twice now,all in total it’s cost me Over £5000 and if I fail again I don’t think I can find it anymore it’s a joke the test examiners just wanna make money coz of Covid,no wonder why there is no drivers
With that 5k shaun you could've dome an electrician course and saved half your money 💰 and have a career which pays over £1000 a week , I was driving class 1 for 15yrs doing all sorts of truck and trailer combinations and now I'm 9 -5 40 hrs and don't work weekends 🙃 , again it depends on how badly you want to drive however failing 4-5 times is very common my brother-in-law did a 6 test hitter well over £5k
I take my hat off to people like you. The Labour party should be ashamed of themselves for moaning about insignificant non-issues rather than fighting to ensure these drivers receive all the support they richly deserve. I wish you and all such drivers the best of luck!
My lad works max hours on container work. With night out money and meal allowance he clears 800 on a six day week. He refused to do extra hours as he rightly says he does enough as it is.
Fair play to him for being a grafter, but that’s pretty much the reason I won’t live in a truck and max hours, I clear 620 a week just 10 hour days and home every night mon to Fri only, container boys are paid shite but having said that I did enjoy the job
What makes peoples wages rubbish is the amount of stoppages that gets taken away from you each week. We are virtually working 2 days a week for nothing better off being on the dole. I don't mind my job i work for a decent small company and it's steady work.
Eastern European truckers put brakes on returning to work in the UK. The FT have reported, using ONS data and interviews with European drivers revealing the truth behind the loss of 50,000 HGV drivers, decimating the road haulage industry. Many cited similar tales of poor working conditions for quitting, but other reasons included low wages, compounded by the IR35 preventing them operating as limited companies resulting in a significant cut to take-home pay. Truckers interviewed, reported driving now in Poland and Germany and having no plans to return to the UK, even if the pay was better, they reported that the IR35 was the final straw for themselves and many other Polish drivers. Reporting from what they knew, many drivers came back to Poland because they could no longer work as independent contractors. The ONS figures record 50,000 UK based drivers have left the industry, (all currently holding valid UK HGV licences) moving to construction sites and general services for better conditions and net pay, now IR35 had been rolled out. Let me include a quick calculation (which in no way fills the requirement for 140,000 drivers). The replacement of 50,000 truck drivers (ONS Figures) holding current HGV licences could be replaced over several years, by younger driver having to achieve C1 at £1,700.00; Followed by Class 2 (presently) at £2,000.00, then finally Class 1 at a further £1,700.00. Let’s not look at this as someone having to finance a career in trucking costing £5,400.00 to earn £28,000.00 pa. Look instead at the skills set lost by IR35 requiring replacement of 50,000 X £5,400.00. Total loss to the freight industry of 270 million pounds. The cost of this disruption will far exceed the supposed recovery of alleged unpaid tax by IR35. A 40 strong team charged with devising a method of allocating causes to the 33 billion pound "Tax Gap" came up with a recovery figure 1 million for IR35! I will reserve any acerbic comments at this stage accept to say that the cost to replace140,000 retiring drivers will be 817 million pounds. Time scale is computed from an average of the total number of passes from all UK test centres which stands at 38,214 per annum, however during the pandemic this was reduced to 13,214 for the year 2020/21, a shortfall of 24,551. Without reference to the shortfall it would take over three and a half years to replace 140,000 drivers and If your still awake well done for making it to the end of this post.
When l passed my test l went straight into Class 1 which may put some people off having to do a rigid test. l no longer drive for a living but do it when l really have to in my job. l would never go back to it full time, fu*k that.
Blockage in the DVLA mate. Change? Clear the blockage 54,000 licences means 54,000 drivers at home going nuts!!! Clear the backlog and we have no driver shortage.
yo mate! what a great driver... it's people like you and me keep "the INDUSTRY" alive... our time will come and NO ROBOTS will take over the wheel KEEP ON TRUCKIN'
Hgv 2, £6.30 ph, pcv class 1 £3.60 ph.... Before nmw... Why i stopped driving and worked in low pay factory £9 ph... All the training, the skill (pass first time) for nothing £££££.....
Whose fault? That’s easy. Employers! They’ve been driving wages down using cheap foreign labour for 30 years. I’m an HGV1. In 1990 I got £15.50ph, now 30 years later an HGV1 is being paid £11.50ph. In real terms HGV1’s are paid 1/3 of what they earned 30 years ago. To give hgv1’s the same living standards as they had in 1990 the pay would have to be increased to about £35ph. That’ll never happen. Globalisation has destroyed the living standards of 80% of working people in the western world, not just truck drivers.
I thought that was part of the reason of introducing the CPC (Certificate Of Professional Competence), to make the profession more appealing and make HGV driving look more of a profession. I appreciate it was also there to supposedly improve safety, but to be honest, CPC has turned out to be off putting to new entry level HGV drivers as well as a money making machine for trainers ... I had an HGV 1 licence in the late 80's but I was driving HGV 2 and it wasn't much better pay & conditions then, working for THF in-flight catering @ Gatwick airport 40 hrs @ £9.50 Hr ... I was being paid better money working in the THF Bonded store doing the bar cart packing, I took a pay cut to use my HGV to do the driving side of things / part of the reason why I took the Bonded store work first, to get my foot in the door to do HGV driving ...
@@TheTomboy26 I did 3 week city guilds course pal got job right away ;) the 2 to 4 years is mainly apprenticeship and I further my electrical on another few weekend courses I was truck driver for 17 years decided to change last year best choice I ever did
Class 1 hours, wages and companies are a joke, simple as that. I now work for a company driving class 2, 10 hours a day, Monday - Friday, no weekends no late finishes and I’m earning £37k a year.. all brand new fleet, properly maintained and they appreciate their staff.. you just got to find the right place and right job, don’t be scared to move to something else.. don’t just settle
I noticed this recently that the class 2 jobs seem to be a lot more appealing than the class one. Especially since I like going to the gym after work, don’t really fancy being stuck in a truck cab on the side of the road.
Goodness Me ! You managed to discourage me from going for an HGV training and getting the licence ! I'd rather stick with my little self employed courier job then !
Twenty years ago I paid my drivers considerably more than they get now! With traffic and hold ups today I am surprised they have any drivers. Driving to a schedule is simply a nightmare. Now involved in forestry I pay my tree fellers over twice that rate. Normal hours and proper breaks too.
I've just got a new job, I've got 4-5 months class 1 experience. All I did was call up and ask, they made a call to the insurance company and if I have an accident the excess is higher. Companies are desperate for drivers and can be willing to make compromise.
I’m looking at getting my HGV and all this about not getting a job unless your 25+ and have 2 years experience no ifs no buts is really annoying me. At the end of the day there is a colour grey and the industry is desperate for drivers p, just for some reason
I don't suppose cleaners have 15 hour shifts available 6 days a week though do they? That's pretty much the only way to make a drivers money up is by maxing hours, not always the case but in most cases
Scrap CPC I may come back I will not sit in a classroom for 35 hours again. Coming up to 68 soon would go part-time every bit helps. Wake up Boris have a look at the shelves in the supermarkets. This prime minister does not seem to give a toss about anything!!
Been driving class 1 for 4 years. I know there are awful companies out there but my advice is, if you’re stuck in a rut, simply move. There are good companies out there, with good pay and flexibility. Stay away from cowboy companies. My salary is good for me , 43k P/A and I’m home every evening. The government won’t do anything for us. Change your own world, don’t expect boris to do it for you.
What other job is there where you can be prossecuted for working 10 minytes over your time?? What other job Prosecutes you for someone elses poor work such as mechanical problems. What other job prosecutes you for putting too much weight on a pallet?? We are truckers not loadmasters or mechanics.The Govt can shove their HGV
Wow, I can't believe what I have just seen... that chap was driving for ages, he over took some vehicles at huge speed, I never once saw him change gear.... I used to go trucking with my dad in the early eighties. He had to press the clutch about 20 times to change gear, had a gear stick with an air operated pull up thingy to swap from 4 low gears to 4 high gears. If the truck even saw a hill it took about a million gear changes crawling down to about -20 mph being over taken by a snail taking it easy. On the flat it would take about a year and eighteen months to reach 50 mph if the road was long enough. Going down hill also meant about 1000 gear changes to slow the thing down as Im not sure it had any brakes .. and you couldn't talk as you couldn't hear a thing over the racket. when the drivers did talk it used to be mostly about Mr perkins and his gardener or somthing
I left HGV driving because of the hours and money I went back to college and retrained as a gas fitter I now work a 40 HR week on an hourly rate of £45 no more to say
I have driven for agencies and in many ways it is harder than working for a single employer. I once worked for 4 new customers in one week, eacch one different. You need to be on top of your game to get through this.
Hello Will, I think you covered the driver topic very well there. I don't know what the answer to the driver shortage is but it is not just one thing that has brought this shortage about. Traditionally lorry driving was looked upon as something you did when you were not able or could not get a proper job. So as this is a long standing belief this is where we are looked down on as just a driver, never mind that we are one of the strictest regulated industries where now our training is ongoing forever. As for money, there is good money to be made but only decent firms pay properly, just for comparison, class 2 tipper work, when I was driving the Scania's last year I was on 120+ a day but some of the foreign drivers that were working with us were on 80 a day, that is below the national minimum wage. You have probably heard the one about pay peanuts and get monkeys. I tried to get my lads interested in lorry driving, one just not interested, one cited the long hours and another was scared of something happening on the road that he could end up paying the price for, so no one to carry on my legacy. You've done good job here Will, well set out and explained. All the best.
I’m probably the last in a long chain of drivers in my family, my grandad was a driver then went in to own a fleet of trucks, cranes and god knows what else (he owned a timber firm) my father and uncle were class 1 too, that’s where my passion for the industry come from, I quit school at 13 to go out riding in the passenger seat with them basically full time. My brother has a passion for transport but from the office. What happened to drivers thought of as knights of the road? Trouble is too many come into the industry for the wrong reasons, they just want the money they don’t actually want to drive like a professional. Hope all is well your end
I wouldn't mind doing the Job, however I heard that the job is piss poor, bad pay, you get treated like shit.. over worked and under paid.. plus the anxiety of driving it around it's so big...
I paid for it my self sat on my license for year an half was pissed off with the hours money wasnt to bad but agency work like you say are on border line. Cpc its 5 days different subject first aid safe loading ect
@@TruckerWillHiab yes probably right mate but was told this time coz am doing periodic to make sure i did different subjects . Its confusing at moment .I am stood down at moment hoping to get back in a couple a month..longer you leave it harder to get back into it. Great video mate.
I am glad there is a HGV shortage, over the years, all these snotty little managers giving us a hard time, and calling us names, not letting us use the shit house, of even giving us a brew, and then saying, any one can drive one off these, plus saying if you dont like it, fuck off, well, they have, plus me, now retired, 60, still have a few good years left in driving, but why should I, I love over hearing people slagging HGV drivers off, as their is no food in the super markets, and saying that lorries should be on the the road at night time only, and then telling them I am one of them they are slagging off, and replying pay back is a bitch , have now turn me van into a camper van, was thinking of going on a camping holiday, but cant, no poxy fuel, bloody HGV drivers, :)
I have been on the agency for 14 years I have never been out of work.I would not touch the steering wheel for less than £13.50.I hold Hgv 1 ADR level d Worked on general hauling.I am on 850 -900 a week just don’t want to work for shit companies
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there's no shortage of drivers, there is a shortage of companies willing to pay drivers a reasonable wage.
Minimum wage should be £18.00 per hour nothing less. Companies are still trying to pay £12.00 or less, you can earn more shelf stacking. We are professional drivers and should be treated with dignity by the general public and customers. Now the country has a crisis with goods not being delivered and Jo public will suffer plus companies will go out of business, this is all down to the people treating drivers like poo and being payed poorly. Perhaps if we had better facilities, better pay and treated like a human being then you might make it more attractive to become a hgv driver.
The only time your considered professional is when your at fault!
Crazy isn't it , they seem to think anyone can jump in a class 1 and drive ,its a skilled occupation !
@@colibarsbisuit8779 problem is, the majority don’t posses any skill, they manage to pass a test and wing it from there..
@@tommoorcroft6680 I know, same when people say, “cleaners earn more”… yeh for 2hrs here and there, plus they have to take taxes and equipment out of that.
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Spend £2.5k on training to earn £10.5 is crap. You could be a self employed cleaner at £13ph.
Yeh and do 2 hrs here and 2 hrs there… with traveling, taxes and equipment coming out of that £13p/h.
@@TheTomboy26 then you can work for company for £10
@@flyingaroundcountrycountry4550 I own a haulage company… I don’t need to work for anyone. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Folks didn't these guys keep our supermarkets stocked during the pandemic.. didn't they risk there lives further if hurtling up and down dangerous motorways is not enough?...Don't we owe an debt of gratitude don't we all deserve some respect for basic health and safety or are we all really just the willing slaves for an government that doesn't give an damn about anyone over anything?...Get these hours reduced get the safety of the employee and the people at the the top of the pile and along with the proper rest get these guys an decent wage and some humane working conditions..Do this before those empty supermarket shelves quickly turn into your empty bellies!!
Unfortunately during the lockdown, yes we kept running.
Done our bit more hours an nights away for a take the piss wage.
Well things have changed in drivers minds now, we are getting mutinous.
We want better, not the scraps we've had for a while.
There is a day of action personally I'd do a week to fk it right up..
We do hours that'd kill a donkey for not a lot.
UK
Too little too late
I wish I never got my class 1 licence
We've been treated like shit by employers
Paid piss poor money
Shit forced on us by eu criminals
Dangerous wankers on the road
Stay away from driving hgv's in uk
I hope the supermarkets do empty, as an ex LGV driver, i can say i support all the lorry drivers, I won't go back to long hours low pay no toilets. tired all the time and treated like a dog .
Stuff it.. Even if my tummy is empty, sod um.
And if you're thinking of doing this work well i'd give that a rethink.. if you also think things will get better by looking at those videos that turn off the comments section, then take a look take a look at this done over 7 years ago, btw nothings changed other than thing's have got worse. Why because they lie and have no clue on how to fix thing's and why's that..
I'll tell you in 6 simple words. They have never done the job.
How can you have someone trying or telling you how to fix something when they themselves have no insight or never done the work. It's a joke.
Any how here is your link enjoy ua-cam.com/video/1NPiD3spU2I/v-deo.html
Great Video Will! Everything you said is spot on! I left Class 2 driving a year ago! Was sick of all of the shit that came with it! You Hgv drivers deserve so much more respect!
Hello! I'm one of many many fellow drivers, myself 42 years experience I'm leaving because of the bullshit cpc i don't need a person
Who don't hold a hgv licence to tell me my job simples! Stay safe Pompey Tex.
Exactly. Made redundant due to covid along with many. At 63 I'm done. They treat drivers like shit. Ok let shit hit the fan.
That is one of the reasons why I got out last. I only had just over a year left before I had to renew. Then the chance came along to get out and I more than gladly jumped and I'm so glad I did.
Well said mate
exactly
drivers in the same position when the first drivercpc was required many experienced drivers retired and more are retiring early this drivercpc
cpc did it for 1000.s of drivers,i would never drive one again while that sham is there.
As a non lorry driver, I was, until now, not privy to this information. But hearing what you have to say, has humbled me. This has been informative. A change of government is needed here, and all companies to be better regulated, and made accountable, instead of the drivers shouldering this huge burden.
European 🇪🇺 drivers (Polish) mainly , greedy hauliers and Agencies have destroyed this industry ! I think this is great news the shortage as the pay rates are on the up !
Weird. I am on a FB group for Polish drivers in the UK and they've been collectively supporting each other in declining jobs, and name and shame agencies which offer silly money.
I'm Polish and I'm driving in this shitty industry for 4 years now. I did my licence here in UK. You say we come here and do it for less? We also got the common sence and can do simple math. Its not worth it and I always say that, people who dont rebel are British. You keep your jobs for years even though being paid silly money. Me personally would never stay another day after learning what's the job and what's the pay. Dont be afraid of standing up for your rights my friends
Oh that's so British to put the blame on others, especially the bloody foreigners innit?
I enjoy driving. I drive for a local firm, start early, do twelve hours, go all over, take home good money. Yeah, some people are unpleasant, the odd forklift or gate house person, but they probably cant do anything else or put much thought into life, but I don't let them bring me down, I have a happy home life. There is currently loads of work and you get what you give. With a bit of tweaking, and a positive attitude from us all, it could get better.
100% the job is what you make it. 👍🏼
Love this comment, love the attitude! I'm with you on that one.
@@OriginLegacy Cheers, pal. Nice one.
Pay needs to go up. But people need to treat drivers as human. At 63 took redundancy and run. I can no longer deal with some stupid child telling me what to do.
I packed in when Kung flu started 3/3/20. Ago 60. Had enough of ignorant bosses, ignorant car drivers, doin 15 HR shifts, waitin for 3 hrs at Tesco ,and then not gettin tipped . Then falling asleep at the wheel. Trying to get in at a truck stop for my 45, the stress you get in this job is not worth it. And everything this lad is sayin is true. I'm enjoying retirement . Good luck lad
@@krystalgazerkg1329 bit racist 😂
@@Shnayblay It's OK he has had the punjab.
Thanks that sums up spot on. I started on long distance about 42 years ago and I’ve just had enough for all the reasons that you have mentioned
I'm surprise no one is using CB radio, in Poland every truck-driver have one and communicate all the time, speed radar, best food around, parking space, roadblocks ect. make a day go faster.
CPC.sore point there,i done 3 modules all the same and 2 the same,i asked why this is and was told"doesnt matter as long as you do 35 hours" that screams cash cow.and is why i left the industry.that was the last straw for me.
Everything you said Will is spot on . Glad I'm outta it now.
Me too it's a mugs game.
I drove for 25 years and I can't do it any longer. Did European work for 7 years, that was a wonderful experience, but the business model has changed. Driving in the UK, day or night, has become an absolute lottery of road closures and diversions. Europe was an absolute breath of fresh air until you start heading for Dear Old Blighty again. You can't sleep without fear of robbery or immigrants stowing away onboard. Everybody is so entitled these days that they think you must yield to them at every opportunity, for which you are always deemed to be at fault. Loved it. Now I hate it. Another driver that quit.
I work on a concrete pump and I was asked if I wanted to go for my Artic licence a while back and if I went for it I whould be earning a lot LESS then I am now working on concrete trucks Artic driver's should be getting £22:50 an hour minimum for doing that job. Things need to changed.
To leave a full time job, pay £3k for your license, then another £500 for your CPC and then go on an Agency for 2 years is just unrealistic.
Question : how many drivers a day are sat in classrooms doing pointless CPC instead of driving ? That doesn’t help the shortage.
I have had my HGV 1 since 1997 and my reasons for not driving are
VOSA, WAGES, and SMART MOTORWAYS and endless traffic jams they cause, this CPC courses expense, endless rules and regulations, parking hassel I got and I could go on.
My mate is a tiler and he is on £200 plus a day. If I could sell my licence it would be on eBay now 😕
If you need two years experience to get your first job there isn’t a shortage.
£10 an hour that's the problem you have to work a 50-60 hour week to earn a decent wage. Drivers willing to work those hours for a pittance is part of the problem, now with brexit and covid there's a shortage and maybe wages will increase. Really hope they don't pay you £10.50 an hour for that container load you did in this video. I work on agency for Royal Mail and earn a lot more per hour than that.
That's agency you will be sat at home come January with no work .
@@grantpowley3848 worked all January this year though may be Covid related. The point is £10 an hour for class one is too low and you have to work 50-60 hours to earn a half decent wage (£600 before tax for 60 hours is a joke, people say lawyers or corporates work those hours but they earn that monthly wage in a week or less)
@@frakius that’s very true. I was interested in getting my lorry license because I currently work as a van driver lwb sprinter doing like 30-40 drops a day and on £10.50 an hour. Crazy there are class 1 jobs paying less than I’m on now. If working that many hours the pay cheque should be a lot higher than you get for the work.
The Shortage is because of Ir35 not brexit!
Very authentic, articulate, genuinely weary and should be listened to by government, as politicians like to play at Bob the Builder with their hard hats+hi viz for the cameras.
And then there's Train Drivers with excellent pay Less Hazzards just up n down the tracks..mad.
Train drivers also have to pass a PTS coarse (Personal Track Safety) the pass rate for this is 93% it's an extremely hard Network Rail test, I recently did a PTS coarse at a college at age 57, eight weeks of intensive training / practical & theory with tests all along the way, it cost the job centre £3,500 each applicant ... out of the 22 applicants on the coarse only 8 of us passed the coarse and out of that 8 that passed only 4 managed to get jobs ... I've done HGV 1, and the PTS coarse was extremely hard to pass, you had to have a pass rate of 93% to get qualified... HGV driving is a doddle compared to PTS believe me ... Rail-track jobs are the second most dangerous job in the UK, the first most dangerous job being working for construction on the motorways ...
@@tony2682 I see the Govt has just extended the drivers hours extension from 8th August to now 3rd October but the haulier has to notify the govt of why it needs drivers hours extended ... It's a real mess which I dont see how this is going to take up the slack ... Problem is more HGV drivers are needed but where are they gonna come from ... ?
@@DeanoTheSaxman Me @ 66 Would pass now that PTS piece of p...
Worked in the 80s at Neville hill (leeds) shunting the Intercity's not on the (MAIN) into the sheds...Had my Full DL since 17..Ex RCT 15yrs..Like I say up n Down the Tracks, LESS hazards than M/ways Aroads Broads..Unloading etc...Rmbr they feed the nation..yes Ive seen the TESCO containers up n down the tracks..but what happens then at the buffers/freight yard..picked up by HGV, then the Hazards start.
@@DeanoTheSaxman Well as I said a Grand £ incentive for HGV drivers for Tesco's other supermarkets following I hear..and just to compete with Rail..Trials are out for Driverless HGVs on the motorway the size of those AUSSIE road trains...Anyway Both Rail and HGV is a Skill no University can teach, its Hands on', and sadly no parity in Renumeration
@@tony2682 I see Tesco's offering £1,000 bonus for HGV drivers recruited before end of October, says it all really ...!
Thanks for explaining all these hgv problems clearly, your video is much better than the media explanation. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
I'm moving from an office job to go into this game. The wages will be about half once I'm up and running. All jobs have stress and I ended up hating the bullshit that corporate life had. I'm hoping this change in career will give me the freedom of the open road. Whilst I watched this with a little fear, I will still pursue and if I don't like it, I'll change career again. Interesting insight though...
I'm in the same boat. Are you still going through with it?
Be careful what you wish for brother. Ain't no freedom of the open road, and you are largely held personally liable for others' ballsups and shortcomings.
I continue to sit on the sidelines & see what changes come before I use my class 1 again.
Don't expect any drastic reductions in stress levels - it simply manifests differently.
I love being around HGVs. I am currently NOT a hgv driver but even I have found that some services are horrible. You are very much correct Will with what I have seen in your video.
Services need to be updated by having better places to park and the facilities should be updated as well. I think that people who make services should talk to hgv drivers and find out what need to change.
Great video as always
Will, I drive for xpo delivering milk, but just had a driving assessment for Sainsburys and got the job. But not sure I’m gonna take it! It pays a lot more than I’m on now and a lot closer to where I am in Romford but for a country with not many class 1 or 2 drivers Sainsburys are only offering a 1 year contract…. What a joke
Store deliveries, yuck… I went for a assessment 2 years ago but didn’t like their way of working so didn’t take it any further. Runs are all over the place, you get a set route to take and not allowed to divert from that route, no sat nav allowed only their paper maps
What xpo you at? I’m only in Stanford le hope so not far from you
@@TruckerWillHiab I know what your saying I was at Dagenham Tesco for 3 years before leaving for NFT at tilbury docks but got made redundant last January so ending up at arla now xpo
@@TruckerWillHiab I’m at the Arla depot in Hatfield
@@Bigboy664u hello Mark if the depo is run by Arla they are sound but xpo have taken over here now and it’s not the same but we have just got a pay rise
If they do a test on CPC that'd be half the truckers off the road as no one takes notice I've seen drivers asleep in the chair on courses,there was a coach driver he'd come from Paris that night sat at desk on CPC he slept through the whole lot
I agree and yes it should be a test at the end! Then the industry can filter out all the arsehole careless HGV drivers
He was absolutly right cause its a load of shit
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@@leehopkins6983 its a complete load of shit.
Listen people look at indeed and hgv drivers no experience needed just saying stobart new drivers accepted and the shortage of drivers is also IR35
I've seen many class 2 and class 1 jobs advertised recently at ridiculously low salary. £10.50 for class 2 and £11.50 for class 1. Even if you are brand new DO NOT accept anything less that £14ph class 2 and £16 pH class 1. This is the minimum you should be considering. Too many companies out there trying to take the piss out of new drivers. Don't fall for it. Look for agency work instead if you want to gain experience. You will be paid a good rate not a joke rate
Adding more hours on to hgv drivers is a disgrace by this tory government ,boris johnston is a joke of a prime minister
I was a class 1 driver for 30 years….treated like crap some think you are stupid ,would I go back ? No way !
will this has bee a very good vlog u need to do more of this to show what truck drive have to go though bill job m8
Thanks, appreciate that
WHAT MUST CHANGE?!? THE BACKLOG IN DVLA MUST CHANGE 54,000 LICENCES LIE UNPROCESSED IN DVLA WHILE THEIR DRIVERS TEAR THEIR HAIR OUT AT HOME, WANTING TO WORK.
THOUSANDS OF CONTAINERS STACKED UP IN PORTS, UNDELIVERED .
CLEAR THE BACKLOG IN THE DVLA AND YOU CLEAR THE SHORTAGE SIMPLE AS!!
One way to solve the driver shortage Will especially to the RDC drops is bring in B doubles like we have here in Oz just keep them away from the city centers and tight roads from what I see most RDC drops are just off the motorways that might solve some problems but you have weight restrictions on your roads so maybe not just a thought
Only one thing will fix it. Unity and solidarity amongst drivers. Was a thought of mine 15 years ago as a driver doing mad hours, but was quickly told to stop dreaming, it will never happen. However there is a shortage now, no one to fill the seats if you stop and protest. That’s what you need to do. Protest! Organize a stop the truck and walk away, nationally. Cause chaos like the farmers! Otherwise you are taking it on the chin. As we do.
3 years ago,Lorries foreigners worked for 4.5pound/hour,motel based ,no Nino and 15 hour shift .Big bosses have laughing stock in offices.I looked online and jobs offered are almost the same as 4 years ago.
In Denmark from 2020 new hourly rate of DKK 164.96 (19.19 pound) an hour was announced. The rate was applicable as of January 1st.There houses are more cheap than in U.K just to make an ideea.
Rules also mean that foreign Lorrie driver working in Denmark must be paid the same while they are in the country. This will be strictly enforced from 2020
CPC should be scrapped. You will never get experience in a class room to be a HGV driver.
I was looking into going back into LGV driving, but I think I will wait a while. The hourly rate is what I used to get 15 years ago and the drivers welfare seems to be far worse.
Seriously mate, stay away it's no longer a job it's an ordeal
The government media outlets have never released a truthful story.
There's 17 of us class1 drivers working in a Amazon warehouse fir better conditions & money than is offered class1 driving in my area lol
Thank you Will, wonderfully presented. For at least 10 years I have been trying to explain much of this to owner / directors and convince them to be kind to drivers and to send managers out with drivers ocassionally to get an understanding of what perils you face on a daily basis. I really feel for you and know what you are saying is spot on. Total respect for what you do, incredibly skilled and I have yet to meet a driver that lacks commitment and devotion and actually the nicest folk in businesses I've worked in. I do hope the British public start to get right behind you. I'd salary you with great benefits and point the fines back at employers if it was my decision. Keep the faith, lets hope things start to change very quickly for the better and much better
I told my boss i was going to leave,and got a bit or a pay rise because he new it was hard to get a good driver with the shortage of drivers,I drive a class 2 with a hiab ,wages when from 11.50 to 13.50
Kevin, where abouts are you fella?
Im sticking to the old rules they can shove there extra hours. Nobody is going to starve there is plenty of food to go round. Another example of the media hyping things up. Drivers have been treated like scum for years in this country. A train driver wouldnt work for 15 hours and then sleep in a siding. Why the hell should a lorry driver.
The BIGGEST part of this problem, is that people do the job anyway.
No matter how bad the conditions are, there’s plenty of people that say “Meh, I’ll just do it anyway”
I’m a driver in Australia who has made 6 figures for the last few years.
If they try to reduce our pay etc… we’re all ready to walk out of the job.
As long as you’re willing to do the job, you have little right to complain.
Driver CPC, go there and do the same module 5 times and fall a sleep with some Polish drivers or stay at home send the money and get the the micky mouse CPC its all a con , some one telling what to do that you have been doing for the last 25 years,. They did not show me how to rope and sheet
over here in the usa, I am not sure about other states. But in my state of hawaii. I applied as a truck driver to a company, they have apprenticeship to help me train to drive for 3 months, then I take the final license test at the Department of Motor Vehicle. Once I pass I get another endorsement on my drivers license to drive a truck. That's it. Been a trucker for 2 years i am a rookie. But i am bus driver for 17 years and I wanted to try something new. Good job though my fellow trucker, keep your head up.
Get rid of that CPC that serves no purpose whatsoever to ask a driver with 30_40yrs experience to sit in a classroom and listen to the same old thing is a bloody insult& a waste of money there's no excuse for experience.
Why not ask retired lorry driver's . Let them have six months
Tax free until we get more driver's
One of the things I've never understood when You are late to a tip off is when They say "Sorry mate, You are late, You'll have to come tomorrow" but the company is still runing and other lorries are being offloaded. So I always ask the same question: "How come, offloading 30 minutes later is worse than doing It the next day?" What type of logic is that? Most of the times, when You challenge them (always with respect. Not shouting or using bad words and with a smile in your face), They end up letting You in.
Only a couple times They asked me to stay in the yard until the following day and I said "No, if You don't take It now, I'll be back to my yard and You won't see this load again". I did It once and the boss nearly sacked me but I told him "You can sack me now if You want or next time, You can pick up that phone and be by my side and push them, so They offload me". The second time I was going back after a no tip off, told the boss and after 10 milles He called me and said "everything is sorted now, They are waiting for You".
A good boss fights for his company too alongside the drivers.
That's the problem most bosses won't back there staff. The customer is always king. To many office kids saying what's your problem.
Love the way you just increased the legislation load for drivers. Cheers mate.
Don't watch big TV mirrors for more than a glance....🦜
Agency or not if there's no work your all out, i was booked in for 2 years at DHL im presently in dpd been here over a year, im booked in work or not till next August, if there's no work i get paid 8 hours at £19.31 .
I would never do general Haulage again its like going back to the stone age.
I was thinking of getting into this industry which is how I found your channel.. didn't realise it was so bad.
Cpc should be abandoned, mainly due to the people teaching it, I've been on more than one course where the drivers have had to correct the teacher as they was wrong, it's just a money making scheme.
Oh and scrap the CPC drivers being told how to do a job they've done for years and can do blindfolded at their own some expense!
the driving industry will be driverless by 2035
just type
volvo vera
in to youtube etc volvo have had a driverless truck that has no cab since 2018
up s have driverless trucks already in the states
there is driverless mercedes sprinters already
trucks are all but driverless now the only thing that isnt in most new trucks is the steering etc
Yes you have it right for container drivers and wages, really crap and you need to do 48 hours before overtime is paid with most companies and at £12 to £13 per hour overtime rate. How is that an overtime rate. It's total crap and exploitation of drivers and even nightwork rates aren't much better. You can spend hours at a dock waiting to get loaded or unloaded and there are no toilet facilities while you wait... come on that is not safe or legal.
You said that 10.50£ is not a bad wage at the beginning of your talk about drivers and you also said that container drivers are working 15 hour days. Whilst drivers are stupid enough to work those ridiculous hours then you will never ever get a decent hourly wage. Just listening to you talking about 10 hours being a short day is the whole reason that you are treated like shit and paid accordingly. When I started driving trucks almost forty years ago drivers worked normal hours , ten hour at the most. That isn't driving that's the shift. Why do drivers except a difference between driving and loading or waiting ? A shift should never be more than 10 hours. I was paid £25 night out money in the 1980s..drivers are still getting that or less today.
I’m trying to get my class one,done my class 2 and that was hard work on and off because of Covid,they have failed me twice right at end of the full hour of test,I’m a good driver and drove like an angel one fail was skimming the bus lane line 🙄bus lane line was wide as a pavement,classed as being in bud lane 😡 secco drive test was right at the end again I kissed the curb,re test is 325 it’s cost me twice now,all in total it’s cost me Over £5000 and if I fail again I don’t think I can find it anymore it’s a joke the test examiners just wanna make money coz of Covid,no wonder why there is no drivers
You not on your own mate took my class 1 passed on 4th (nerves) its how bad you want it..
With that 5k shaun you could've dome an electrician course and saved half your money 💰 and have a career which pays over £1000 a week , I was driving class 1 for 15yrs doing all sorts of truck and trailer combinations and now I'm 9 -5 40 hrs and don't work weekends 🙃 , again it depends on how badly you want to drive however failing 4-5 times is very common my brother-in-law did a 6 test hitter well over £5k
3rd time lucky mate… it took me 3 times to pass class 1. Keep at it because of how much you’ve spent. It really is a sh!t job though.
Bite the bullet now m8 and take a plumbers course or electrician course driving HGVs or even a PCV is a mugs job m8
Lol I’m just waiting for a scheme to come out where it’s paid for like my security licence and course was paid for lol
I take my hat off to people like you. The Labour party should be ashamed of themselves for moaning about insignificant non-issues rather than fighting to ensure these drivers receive all the support they richly deserve. I wish you and all such drivers the best of luck!
My lad works max hours on container work. With night out money and meal allowance he clears 800 on a six day week. He refused to do extra hours as he rightly says he does enough as it is.
Fair play to him for being a grafter, but that’s pretty much the reason I won’t live in a truck and max hours, I clear 620 a week just 10 hour days and home every night mon to Fri only, container boys are paid shite but having said that I did enjoy the job
@@TruckerWillHiab jeez that’s good money your earning fell lucky with that job
What makes peoples wages rubbish is the amount of stoppages that gets taken away from you each week. We are virtually working 2 days a week for nothing better off being on the dole. I don't mind my job i work for a decent small company and it's steady work.
Eastern European truckers put brakes on returning to work in the UK.
The FT have reported, using ONS data and interviews with European drivers revealing the truth behind the loss of 50,000 HGV drivers, decimating the road haulage industry. Many cited similar tales of poor working conditions for quitting, but other reasons included low wages, compounded by the IR35 preventing them operating as limited companies resulting in a significant cut to take-home pay.
Truckers interviewed, reported driving now in Poland and Germany and having no plans to return to the UK, even if the pay was better, they reported that the IR35 was the final straw for themselves and many other Polish drivers.
Reporting from what they knew, many drivers came back to Poland because they could no longer work as independent contractors.
The ONS figures record 50,000 UK based drivers have left the industry, (all currently holding valid UK HGV licences) moving to construction sites and general services for better conditions and net pay, now IR35 had been rolled out.
Let me include a quick calculation (which in no way fills the requirement for 140,000 drivers).
The replacement of 50,000 truck drivers (ONS Figures) holding current HGV licences could be replaced over several years, by younger driver having to achieve C1 at £1,700.00; Followed by Class 2 (presently) at £2,000.00, then finally Class 1 at a further £1,700.00.
Let’s not look at this as someone having to finance a career in trucking costing £5,400.00 to earn £28,000.00 pa. Look instead at the skills set lost by IR35 requiring replacement of 50,000 X £5,400.00.
Total loss to the freight industry of 270 million pounds.
The cost of this disruption will far exceed the supposed recovery of alleged unpaid tax by IR35. A 40 strong team charged with devising a method of allocating causes to the 33 billion pound "Tax Gap" came up with a recovery figure 1 million for IR35! I will reserve any acerbic comments at this stage accept to say that the cost to replace140,000 retiring drivers will be 817 million pounds. Time scale is computed from an average of the total number of passes from all UK test centres which stands at 38,214 per annum, however during the pandemic this was reduced to 13,214 for the year 2020/21, a shortfall of 24,551. Without reference to the shortfall it would take over three and a half years to replace 140,000 drivers and If your still awake well done for making it to the end of this post.
This man should be the President Of hauliers of United Kingdom, then we will see who will have shortages on their shelves :P
The elephant in the room ? 100,000 drivers missing , is not a drip drip people leaving ! Brexit is the biggest factor , EU drivers going home .
Oops sorry, you'll have to tip/load through your breaks.
When l passed my test l went straight into Class 1 which may put some people off having to do a rigid test. l no longer drive for a living but do it when l really have to in my job. l would never go back to it full time, fu*k that.
Blockage in the DVLA mate. Change? Clear the blockage 54,000 licences means 54,000 drivers at home going nuts!!!
Clear the backlog and we have no driver shortage.
Hi good video which echos my sentiments very well we are overworked under appreciated and very much underpaid
Scrap IR35 probs solved within 8 weeks.
yo mate! what a great driver... it's people like you and me keep "the INDUSTRY" alive... our time will come and NO ROBOTS will take over the wheel KEEP ON TRUCKIN'
Enjoy ALL the road lads,high vis ELVlaughs
Hgv 2, £6.30 ph, pcv class 1 £3.60 ph.... Before nmw... Why i stopped driving and worked in low pay factory £9 ph... All the training, the skill (pass first time) for nothing £££££.....
Whose fault? That’s easy. Employers! They’ve been driving wages down using cheap foreign labour for 30 years.
I’m an HGV1. In 1990 I got £15.50ph, now 30 years later an HGV1 is being paid £11.50ph.
In real terms HGV1’s are paid 1/3 of what they earned 30 years ago.
To give hgv1’s the same living standards as they had in 1990 the pay would have to be increased to about £35ph. That’ll never happen.
Globalisation has destroyed the living standards of 80% of working people in the western world, not just truck drivers.
I thought that was part of the reason of introducing the CPC (Certificate Of Professional Competence), to make the profession more appealing and make HGV driving look more of a profession. I appreciate it was also there to supposedly improve safety, but to be honest, CPC has turned out to be off putting to new entry level HGV drivers as well as a money making machine for trainers ... I had an HGV 1 licence in the late 80's but I was driving HGV 2 and it wasn't much better pay & conditions then, working for THF in-flight catering @ Gatwick airport 40 hrs @ £9.50 Hr ... I was being paid better money working in the THF Bonded store doing the bar cart packing, I took a pay cut to use my HGV to do the driving side of things / part of the reason why I took the Bonded store work first, to get my foot in the door to do HGV driving ...
4k on learning to drive for 10 pound an hour or 4k learning to be electrician on 30 pound an hour
2-4 yrs to become a fully trained sparky or 3 weeks to become a fully trained hgv driver… no comparison.
@@TheTomboy26 I did 3 week city guilds course pal got job right away ;) the 2 to 4 years is mainly apprenticeship and I further my electrical on another few weekend courses I was truck driver for 17 years decided to change last year best choice I ever did
- and what the he'll are the unions doing about it ???. Bugger all as usual ! Respect. Retired PCV driver.
Informational.....a great new word! lol
Class 1 hours, wages and companies are a joke, simple as that. I now work for a company driving class 2, 10 hours a day, Monday - Friday, no weekends no late finishes and I’m earning £37k a year.. all brand new fleet, properly maintained and they appreciate their staff.. you just got to find the right place and right job, don’t be scared to move to something else.. don’t just settle
I noticed this recently that the class 2 jobs seem to be a lot more appealing than the class one. Especially since I like going to the gym after work, don’t really fancy being stuck in a truck cab on the side of the road.
i know v2 guys who spent a couple of thousands to get HGV licence and have not done a single days work in 5+ years...what a waste...
Goodness Me ! You managed to discourage me from going for an HGV training and getting the licence ! I'd rather stick with my little self employed courier job then !
Free Class 1 licence tests, perhaps a better solution?
Class 1 driver available, I work for £1000 a week Mon to Fri not more than a 10 hour day early starts only .
Twenty years ago I paid my drivers considerably more than they get now! With traffic and hold ups today I am surprised they have any drivers. Driving to a schedule is simply a nightmare. Now involved in forestry I pay my tree fellers over twice that rate. Normal hours and proper breaks too.
To give some more work visas to Eu citizen wont be a tragedy. Let start resolving problems instead of creating.
No, fix the issues mentioned in the video.
I've just got a new job, I've got 4-5 months class 1 experience.
All I did was call up and ask, they made a call to the insurance company and if I have an accident the excess is higher.
Companies are desperate for drivers and can be willing to make compromise.
I’m looking at getting my HGV and all this about not getting a job unless your 25+ and have 2 years experience no ifs no buts is really annoying me. At the end of the day there is a colour grey and the industry is desperate for drivers p, just for some reason
Welcome to the worst industry in the world
£10.50 is what cleaners get paid these days. In fact, cleaners often get £12
I don't suppose cleaners have 15 hour shifts available 6 days a week though do they?
That's pretty much the only way to make a drivers money up is by maxing hours, not always the case but in most cases
@@TruckerWillHiab I don’t think they would want 15 hour shifts .
Scrap CPC I may come back I will not sit in a classroom for 35 hours again. Coming up to 68 soon would go part-time every bit helps.
Wake up Boris have a look at the shelves in the supermarkets. This prime minister does not seem to give a toss about anything!!
Been driving class 1 for 4 years. I know there are awful companies out there but my advice is, if you’re stuck in a rut, simply move. There are good companies out there, with good pay and flexibility.
Stay away from cowboy companies.
My salary is good for me , 43k P/A and I’m home every evening. The government won’t do anything for us. Change your own world, don’t expect boris to do it for you.
What other job is there where you can be prossecuted for working 10 minytes over your time?? What other job Prosecutes you for someone elses poor work such as mechanical problems. What other job prosecutes you for putting too much weight on a pallet?? We are truckers not loadmasters or mechanics.The Govt can shove their HGV
Wow, I can't believe what I have just seen... that chap was driving for ages, he over took some vehicles at huge speed, I never once saw him change gear.... I used to go trucking with my dad in the early eighties. He had to press the clutch about 20 times to change gear, had a gear stick with an air operated pull up thingy to swap from 4 low gears to 4 high gears. If the truck even saw a hill it took about a million gear changes crawling down to about -20 mph being over taken by a snail taking it easy. On the flat it would take about a year and eighteen months to reach 50 mph if the road was long enough. Going down hill also meant about 1000 gear changes to slow the thing down as Im not sure it had any brakes .. and you couldn't talk as you couldn't hear a thing over the racket. when the drivers did talk it used to be mostly about Mr perkins and his gardener or somthing
Sounds like a 4 over 4 range change with a split shift. Virtually obsolete now as everything is automatic.
That ad sums it up 100% great video
I left HGV driving because of the hours and money I went back to college and retrained as a gas fitter I now work a 40 HR week on an hourly rate of £45 no more to say
I have driven for agencies and in many ways it is harder than working for a single employer.
I once worked for 4 new customers in one week, eacch one different. You need to be on top of your game to get through this.
Hello Will, I think you covered the driver topic very well there. I don't know what the answer to the driver shortage is but it is not just one thing that has brought this shortage about. Traditionally lorry driving was looked upon as something you did when you were not able or could not get a proper job. So as this is a long standing belief this is where we are looked down on as just a driver, never mind that we are one of the strictest regulated industries where now our training is ongoing forever. As for money, there is good money to be made but only decent firms pay properly, just for comparison, class 2 tipper work, when I was driving the Scania's last year I was on 120+ a day but some of the foreign drivers that were working with us were on 80 a day, that is below the national minimum wage. You have probably heard the one about pay peanuts and get monkeys. I tried to get my lads interested in lorry driving, one just not interested, one cited the long hours and another was scared of something happening on the road that he could end up paying the price for, so no one to carry on my legacy. You've done good job here Will, well set out and explained. All the best.
I’m probably the last in a long chain of drivers in my family, my grandad was a driver then went in to own a fleet of trucks, cranes and god knows what else (he owned a timber firm) my father and uncle were class 1 too, that’s where my passion for the industry come from, I quit school at 13 to go out riding in the passenger seat with them basically full time. My brother has a passion for transport but from the office. What happened to drivers thought of as knights of the road? Trouble is too many come into the industry for the wrong reasons, they just want the money they don’t actually want to drive like a professional. Hope all is well your end
Hey trouble hope you and the family are well xx
I wouldn't mind doing the Job, however I heard that the job is piss poor, bad pay, you get treated like shit.. over worked and under paid.. plus the anxiety of driving it around it's so big...
I paid for it my self sat on my license for year an half was pissed off with the hours money wasnt to bad but agency work like you say are on border line. Cpc its 5 days different subject first aid safe loading ect
Use to be be able to sit the same module 5 times
@@TruckerWillHiab yes probably right mate but was told this time coz am doing periodic to make sure i did different subjects . Its confusing at moment .I am stood down at moment hoping to get back in a couple a month..longer you leave it harder to get back into it. Great video mate.
good vid bud spot on
I am glad there is a HGV shortage, over the years, all these snotty little managers giving us a hard time, and calling us names, not letting us use the shit house, of even giving us a brew, and then saying, any one can drive one off these, plus saying if you dont like it, fuck off, well, they have, plus me, now retired, 60, still have a few good years left in driving, but why should I, I love over hearing people slagging HGV drivers off, as their is no food in the super markets, and saying that lorries should be on the the road at night time only, and then telling them I am one of them they are slagging off, and replying pay back is a bitch , have now turn me van into a camper van, was thinking of going on a camping holiday, but cant, no poxy fuel, bloody HGV drivers, :)
I have been on the agency for 14 years I have never been out of work.I would not touch the steering wheel for less than £13.50.I hold Hgv 1 ADR level d
Worked on general hauling.I am on 850 -900 a week just don’t want to work for shit companies
And you think £13.50/h for and ADR class 1 is good money?!? Really?!?
I guess wages is a personal thing, what ever your happy with and can live comfortably but I sure as hell wouldn’t do adr work for £13.50
it s low for ADR