From what i've read the kilt was last worn in battle by the Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders during the evacuation of Dunkirk and St.Valery in 1940 , committing to a rear guard action to defend those retreating.
Sometime in the 1870's Horace Tabor raised a police force (probably badly needed) in either Leadville or Central City CO, I can't remember which offhand, and gave them a uniform which included Royal Stewart kilts. That would be a fun one to do.
The topic of the uniform of the 79th New York State Militia is widely misunderstood, and unfortunately this video, while it dispels some myths, perpetuates others. The most important things to realise are that the 79th NYSM existed before and after the Civil War, and that the pre-war regiment maintained two distinct uniforms. It was raised in 1858 and remained in service until 1876. THE PHOTOS SHOWN AT 1:15 (the two side photos) and 2:25 and 2:44 show the POST-WAR UNIFORM and are unrelated to the topic of Civil War uniforms. The pre-war 1858-1861 regiment was small and the men were issued two uniforms: Service Dress and Full Dress. Both uniforms used the same tunic, dark blue with red and white trim, in a unique pattern. In Service Dress this jacket was worn with a dark blue Kepi and with Cameron Of Erracht trews. In Full Dress the same jacket (with added gold epaulettes) was worn with a dark blue Glengarry (with unique two-row red/white/blue dicing) Cameron of Erracht kilt (machine-sewn in New York sweatshops, the pleating haphazard, and with a unique internal buckle) red and white diced full hose (with marl turnover cuffs) and 18th century style buckled shoes. The white goathair sporran had a unique five-lobe black leather cantle and three black tassels in plain black leather cones. This kilted Full Dress was NOT worn just once, but commonly worn from 1858 to 1861. There is a photo of the regiment in Full Dress in the 1860 New York 4th of July parade. The newspaper illustration shown is from a different parade, in 1861. In 1861 the regiment had to double in size for war service, and the new additional companies were never issued Full Dress, but only the Service Dress. The regiment was mustered into US service in May 1861 with 795 men, all in the regiment's Service Dress uniform of Kepi, unique ornate tunic, and Cameron of Erracht trews. This is the uniform the regiment fought in at First Bull Run: there are photos of 79thNY prisoners and paintings of 79thNY wounded clearly showing this uniform. In October 1861 the regiment was sent to South Carolina where they switched to white cotton trousers captured from a Confederate warehouse. In July 1862 they returned to Virginia, their white trousers having become something of a badge of honour. As the trews, white trousers, and elaborate tunics wore out they were replaced with ordinary Union Army clothing and by 1863 the 79th New York was scarcely distinguishable from other units. The men's term of service expired in 1864 and the unit returned to New York, though as a militia unit they continued until 1876. The post-war Full Dress uniform was different in every detail.
Thanks. These "experts" at USA Kilts clearly misrepresent the kilt not only here but on their Kilts and Culture FB page where if you disagree, the mods move quickly to send you nasty-gram threats about tolerance and inclusion - in other words, their view or no view. Best wishes.
I am a alumni of the 1st 69th infantry (The fighting Irish ) of New York and I'm surprise that there wasn't a tartan for the unit. I would love to create one for sure.
@@rc59191 wow that’s really interesting and I also had a lot of ancestors that fought in the civil war like my 4x great uncles served in regiments like Coles Calvary and the 1st Pennsylvania Reserves Infantry Regiment and Bells Independent Pennsylvania Cavalry battalion
Inspire Greatness74 I completely agree with you on that there should be a tartan for the 69th New York infantry regiment because you see I am a part of a pipe and drum band that is named after the black watch and we wear the Campbell Tartan and I mean like When people think of tartans all they think about is Scottish Tartans and not Irish Tartans and thank you for your service.
2:19)Simon Cameron was President Abe Lincoln II's first Secretary of War. Lincoln fired him over his proposal that Regular Army (RA) black regiments be formed.
I truly DO love it when historical inaccuracies in the hobby cross over into kilting. They now pop up in almost every timeline and conflict in North America. I've seen it pop up in the War of 1812 community (and NOT on a Highlander). Laughed myself to tears.
hi there I was retire from the Queen owns Cameron Highlander of Canada and i notice then cut the pleats out of the kilts and the all the pleats are has holes but that is how they cut the weight of the kiltss
Did any of those guys keep those kilts, and wear them after the war? And do any of those kilts survive today? Also, were kilts worn at all during the American Revolution? I know you guys have said that kilts weren't worn much over here in the colonial era, but I find it hard to believe that a Scot didnt being his kilt with him as he fled Scotland, and fought in it like in days of yore.
Nobody could of kept me from wearing my kilt into combat lol. I believe there was a Illinois highland unit that wore their kilts at the battle of Shilo I think it was.
You guys should also address the ridiculous amount of CW reenactors playing the bagpipes into battle at reenactments. Back at camp... yeah maybe? But marching into battle... no. lol
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From what i've read the kilt was last worn in battle by the Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders during the evacuation of Dunkirk and St.Valery in 1940 , committing to a rear guard action to defend those retreating.
It was worn by accident in the 50s. An officer was in his dress uniform when a skirmish broke out
Another thing, to be clear Simon Cameron wasn't Lincoln's (personal) secretary but rather the Secretary Of War in Lincoln's Cabinet.
Sometime in the 1870's Horace Tabor raised a police force (probably badly needed) in either Leadville or Central City CO, I can't remember which offhand, and gave them a uniform which included Royal Stewart kilts. That would be a fun one to do.
The topic of the uniform of the 79th New York State Militia is widely misunderstood, and unfortunately this video, while it dispels some myths, perpetuates others. The most important things to realise are that the 79th NYSM existed before and after the Civil War, and that the pre-war regiment maintained two distinct uniforms. It was raised in 1858 and remained in service until 1876. THE PHOTOS SHOWN AT 1:15 (the two side photos) and 2:25 and 2:44 show the POST-WAR UNIFORM and are unrelated to the topic of Civil War uniforms. The pre-war 1858-1861 regiment was small and the men were issued two uniforms: Service Dress and Full Dress. Both uniforms used the same tunic, dark blue with red and white trim, in a unique pattern. In Service Dress this jacket was worn with a dark blue Kepi and with Cameron Of Erracht trews. In Full Dress the same jacket (with added gold epaulettes) was worn with a dark blue Glengarry (with unique two-row red/white/blue dicing) Cameron of Erracht kilt (machine-sewn in New York sweatshops, the pleating haphazard, and with a unique internal buckle) red and white diced full hose (with marl turnover cuffs) and 18th century style buckled shoes. The white goathair sporran had a unique five-lobe black leather cantle and three black tassels in plain black leather cones. This kilted Full Dress was NOT worn just once, but commonly worn from 1858 to 1861. There is a photo of the regiment in Full Dress in the 1860 New York 4th of July parade. The newspaper illustration shown is from a different parade, in 1861. In 1861 the regiment had to double in size for war service, and the new additional companies were never issued Full Dress, but only the Service Dress. The regiment was mustered into US service in May 1861 with 795 men, all in the regiment's Service Dress uniform of Kepi, unique ornate tunic, and Cameron of Erracht trews. This is the uniform the regiment fought in at First Bull Run: there are photos of 79thNY prisoners and paintings of 79thNY wounded clearly showing this uniform. In October 1861 the regiment was sent to South Carolina where they switched to white cotton trousers captured from a Confederate warehouse. In July 1862 they returned to Virginia, their white trousers having become something of a badge of honour. As the trews, white trousers, and elaborate tunics wore out they were replaced with ordinary Union Army clothing and by 1863 the 79th New York was scarcely distinguishable from other units. The men's term of service expired in 1864 and the unit returned to New York, though as a militia unit they continued until 1876. The post-war Full Dress uniform was different in every detail.
Thanks. These "experts" at USA Kilts clearly misrepresent the kilt not only here but on their Kilts and Culture FB page where if you disagree, the mods move quickly to send you nasty-gram threats about tolerance and inclusion - in other words, their view or no view.
Best wishes.
I am a alumni of the 1st 69th infantry (The fighting Irish ) of New York and I'm surprise that there wasn't a tartan for the unit. I would love to create one for sure.
You should that would be awesome. My 3rd great grandpas were in the Bucktail brigade, Deleware Blues, and 1st New York Light Artillery.
@@rc59191 wow that’s really interesting and I also had a lot of ancestors that fought in the civil war like my 4x great uncles served in regiments like Coles Calvary and the 1st Pennsylvania Reserves Infantry Regiment and Bells Independent Pennsylvania Cavalry battalion
Inspire Greatness74 I completely agree with you on that there should be a tartan for the 69th New York infantry regiment because you see I am a part of a pipe and drum band that is named after the black watch and we wear the Campbell Tartan and I mean like When people think of tartans all they think about is Scottish Tartans and not Irish Tartans and thank you for your service.
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Tartans were adopted by the Irish in the 20th century, prior to that, they were a highland thing.
From what I've read, there was one officer in the 79th who wore trews at 1st Manassas. That was it.
I believe there was supposed of been a Kilting and Regiment in Georgia or from Georgia
Thank heaven someone said it!
The 12th Illinois wore blue tams . See a photo of Gen John McArthur .
2:19)Simon Cameron was President Abe Lincoln II's first Secretary of War. Lincoln fired him over his proposal that Regular Army (RA) black regiments be formed.
I truly DO love it when historical inaccuracies in the hobby cross over into kilting. They now pop up in almost every timeline and conflict in North America. I've seen it pop up in the War of 1812 community (and NOT on a Highlander). Laughed myself to tears.
hi there I was retire from the Queen owns Cameron Highlander of Canada and i notice then cut the pleats out of the kilts and the all the pleats are has holes but that is how they cut the weight of the kiltss
Did any of those guys keep those kilts, and wear them after the war? And do any of those kilts survive today?
Also, were kilts worn at all during the American Revolution? I know you guys have said that kilts weren't worn much over here in the colonial era, but I find it hard to believe that a Scot didnt being his kilt with him as he fled Scotland, and fought in it like in days of yore.
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Nobody could of kept me from wearing my kilt into combat lol. I believe there was a Illinois highland unit that wore their kilts at the battle of Shilo I think it was.
12th Illinois infantry
Fighting against a giant spider in Mordor??
And, no, they did NOT wear kilts at the Battle of Shiloh.
The boxwood is the irish fighting 69th New York regiment
It's a thing ...
Are you EVER going to change the damn fiddle music to another tune?!!!!!!
You guys should also address the ridiculous amount of CW reenactors playing the bagpipes into battle at reenactments. Back at camp... yeah maybe? But marching into battle... no. lol
But the bagpipes WERE played into battle. They were used in the same way drums and bugles were used for troop signalling.