Digitech Whammy Ricochet & EHX Pico Pitchfork [Effector Du Jour]
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- Опубліковано 8 кві 2024
- Pitch bending and detune features in compact designs
Welcome to the show and welcome to Effector Du Jour!
Whether you want crazy other-worldliness or a simple detune, there are plenty of pedals out there to shift your pitches. Dan checks out a couple to see what’s what…
Enjoy!
Pedals & stuff in this show
• Thorpy Warthog
• Electro Harmonix Pico PitchFork
• Digitech Whammy Ricochet
• TheGigRig AB Baby
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Guitars used in today’s show
• 1962 Gibson Les Paul (SG)
Amps used in today’s’ show
• 1973 Hiwatt DR103. Link to new version
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Custom Zilla 412 with 2 x 12-inch Jensen Raptor 100 (top) and 2 x 12-inch Celestion Vintage 30 (bottom)
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Octave up into an octave down? This is the kind of existential tomfoolery we need.
That’s what she said.
Thats just a delay without the dry signal
a kind of question that we should ask Science more often these days. Most people aren' t even clever and critical enough to come up with a question like that...these days.
Bravo Dan !
This is one of my favorite presets I've made in my HX stomp
Wow. The shift quality on the Ricochet is great. What a cool pedal.
The Warthog is the star of this du jour!
Thank you Dan and all involved!
Love the short format.
Excellent Effect de Jour episode.....probably my favorite one so far!
So good! Thank you for more Hiwatt action. ❤️🤘
All very very cool pedals . That guitar is my favorite! I have the pleasure of owning a 61 since 81.
GUYS! Firstly the overlays are killer and secondly the fade in on the Ricochet when first turned on was stellar, all about the details and I appreciate you! Kudos!
Sounds are stellar too!
Came for the octave, stayed for the hiwatt
I've got the original PF. Agreed about the sound: def digitised. But you know what? I'm kind of not bothered. I can with ease play along with those Eb standard tuned songs (and others!), and those Satriani whammy songs. Great fun!
I like the effect in the sound using the Pitchfork, never out of my board
Love the Hiwatt and Zilla cab. Wish you all would use them more!
Drive before pitch is an.. interesting decision >->
I bought the Ricochet just to play "Lonely Boy" by the Black Keys - which it does perfectly once you dial in the ramp up & down speeds using the momentary setting. But since having a play around you can use the latched momentary, range & the OCT+DRY for all sorts of songs utilising octave up & down and it sounds awesome!!!
I bought an hx stomp for the same thing then realised it also replaced most of my modulation, delay and filter sounds as well as being an amp and cab sim 😂
@@cdcgb1 Can it do the lonely boy whammy as good??
@@markthespark6240 very much so. With a hold and release, adjustable ramp time and ramp shape both ways
@@cdcgb1 Thanks for the reply. I have been wondering whether to jump down the HX Stomp Rabbit Hole
@@markthespark6240 I was super skeptical, and for recording I would turn to my analogue pedals but for a swiss army knife pedal on a gigging board where you need to cover a LOT of tones or just go fun experimenting I haven't found anything that comes close. The dimension sound is VERY close to my old boss unit and the flanger is close enough to my TC SCF etc, close enough to not care when a drummer is playing..
Latency in an old Vienna sausage tin with them correcting each other. 😂😂
What we need is another Dan Frankenboard creating an (actual) chorus of pitch-shifter pedals run in parallel. A kind of deconstructed harmonizer. Good lord, what have you done to me?
Saw the band the cold stares at my local juke joint and had a great above view in the balcony. They used the ricochet a good bit to play songs a half step down without having to tune or switch guitars. I was pretty surprised how good it sounded and how unnoticeable it was they were even using it in the full band mix!
Never was a fan of the effect itself but the original Whammy seemed like the perfect design to pitch shift on the fly with the expression pedal.
I had one of the big Pitchforks a few years ago, which I used to play in Eb - it didn't last long as (like Dan says) it had a very digital sound. You could hide it somewhat with gain, but as soon as I played some clean parts in Pumpkins or Live songs, it showed up like a wart on your nose. It never felt like the guitar was under your fingers either, if you get what I mean? Sold it and started taking an Eb tuned guitar to gigs 👍😎 The Ricochet on the other hand I found quite inspiring in this video, I could see myself using that slow fade up to a pitch as a cool live effect maybe? Nice little demo - thank you, Daniel Du Jour! 🥖🧅
I like the full fat Pitchfork, it can do multiple shifts, and with an expression pedal you can do sweeps just like the full fat Whammy (but it doesn't sound the same).
Thank you for this video, Dan. I had no idea the Pico Pitch Fork existed. I am a huge fan of the Ricochet, except it has one flaw: it doesn't do a single semitone bend. The regular Pitchfork, however, lacks the "Ballistics" control of the Ricochet, but the Pico Pitch Fork adds that in the form of its "Sweep" knob. I had to sell my Ricochet, because the only things I wanted it to do were to bend one or two semitones, and because it can't do a single semitone bend, it was only 50% useful to me, and I can't justify the space on my pedalboard for a pedal that is only half of what I need. I'll try the Pico Pitch Fork, now. Hopefully it works for me, and I can figure out a way to shoehorn it onto my board.
I have the pitchfork and its cool, but I am really digging the Boss OC5 with its new tracking technologie and it has the range mode where you can choose for it just to work on the lower strings, or just the lowest note of a chord, great for my acoustic solo gigs.
Very entertaining -thank you. A niche type of pedal for sure...makes me kinda sea sick LOL
Interesting choice to put the pitch shifting after distortion! I personally find better results putting pitch shifting before to affect the clean tone first unless one is going for the more synthy sound of course.
Would love to see you guys offer some quad cortex captures. You guys would sell a ton of them 😎
We would never sell anything we wouldn’t use personally. Cheers!
@@ThatPedalShow I can completely understand that. I respect that. Any chance you guys might release an orange That Pedal Show shirt with white lettering?
Can you put a gamechanger audio plus sustain pedal (which has a loop) in to a pitch shift pedal, so clicking the pitch pedal changes the sustained note to a fourth or fifth (the minor third the major lift, the baffled king composes hallelujah)? The sustained note can be shifted to suit the progression of the song (with the ricochet and/or pitchfork) with a click. So a 145 blues lead could have a pad.
I've never had the cash to try this sort of set up.
You guys do.
Please dig out your gamechanger audio sustain pedal and show us the fun. :)
The standard Pitchfork honestly sounds and reacts so much better than the mini or the plus, truly sad as I'm a huge fan of the PF and wanted the plus to be amazing. Digitech's Drop pedal is the closest to detuning with the least latency and I have used it live to mitigate guitar changes, not perfect but better than these for straight tuning changes. Great vid Dan and yes, super fun! The Ricochet is great for smaller "Whammy" real estate. You were getting some cool synth tones for sure, cheers!
interesting, that's a shame that the plus doesn't sound as good to your ears. I was thinking of trying it out. I thought they would have used the same DSP programming in the normal and plus, no? how did it sound worse?
It sounds like you're running the fuzz into the pitch shifters. Try it the other way around; the results might be a little more natural sounding.
I'm abass player, I do play guitar but would never go onstage and perform onguitar. Strictly bass/vocals. There are so many signal processing units today for players to consider. I know of several units that I really like for guitar players. But there is a seemingly constant barrage of new stuff that I simply am not familiar with. That's why this Pedal Show is so cool. Who exactly is the British cat who hosts and demonstrates on the show?
Pitch shifters always sound too digitized for my taste, but the octave down into and octave up was pretty darn cool.
Are you running the pitch pedals before or after the Thorpy? I've always gotten the best results tracking/sound-wise when I run pitch shifting effects at the beginning of my signal path.
My Pitchfork has been such a useful little utility. I’ve often wondered how it would sound to have two of them doing two different jobs at once. Like one to reverse-capo to E♭︎ and a second one in detune mode for a chorus-like effect. Would it sound as weird and have as much latency as the Pitchfork into Ricochet here? Eventually I plan to get an Intelligent Harmony Machine, and then I’ll find out!
I'm pretty sure both the Whammy and the Pitchfork will perform better with any overdrive/distortion AFTER and not before in the signal chain 😎
I wish these pitch shift pedals came with latency written on the box. There is nothing as distracting as finding oneself playing out of time with everyone else. I have one of the frequency divider octave drops.... one note at a time, square wave synth sound but timing is right. Some of these pitch shifters appear to be as much as 30ms late? which is pretty much unplayable. It sounds like serializing these two treads on that territory as well but thats ok, I would never try to use them that way. But how much latency is just one? Neither one has this on their web page, yet this is probably the most important spec for any non-timedomain digital effect. Digitech's use of 44k1 sample rate does not give me the warm fuzzies already.... and EHX does not even give that much information. In my opinion, it should be pretty trivial (perhaps a little more pricey) to have low enough latency, two in series (or even three) is not noticeable. Anyway, thanks for the demo, they do sound great (better than my octave drop), tuning seems on, etc. Good box.
Got a Pog2 into my amp after gain stages. Use pitch shifts in my Timeline and modular reverbs. Much fun.
I feel like Hans Zimmer on guitar.
Or Jean Michelle-Jarre.
Fuckin awesome sounds. 7ths echoing into 5ths or vice/versa with +/- octs etc. Expression pedals a must to even out but man, Lovely!
In last case, whammy 5 or digitech drop pedal, helps to detune and tracking perfectly, i play in drop A# tuning on drop C, in case anyone needed it, it works very well, cheers!
How much of a difference does it make having a pitch shifter before or after the drive? I would guess that having it first in the chain would make it sound "less digital" since then it's only changing the clean tone before anything else. My assumption is that the more it is affecting, the more noticeable it would be, and also the more that happens further down the chain, the more the "digitalness" would be covered up.
I'd love for you guys to do a video with the digitech drop pedal. I've been so curious about them for so long but I'm worried about how much latency it adds, how it sounds depending on where in the chain it is, and how well it handles different things.
To me there's no noticeable latency with the drop, I'm really happy with it. It sucks highs a bit, 1 step down sounds still great but further down you have to adjust - I have presence control on my amp which can neutralize the problem fairly well. For convenience I put EQ pedal into fx loop, so I don't have to change presence settings (the presence knob is pretty sensitive and it's annoying to set it over and over). Also the bbe sonic maximizer does wonders, just an alternative to an eq pedal (sounds immediately better, with eq it's little bit more complicated). I downtune 3 steps maximum and it's still usable. Also the octave down is ok.
I use it as a first pedal, even before a tuner. Today I tried it bcs of you as a first pedal in fx loop (so after my main drive) and it's really bad. Even with one step down, there's a huge volume drop, sounds like under a blanket, very muddy. It still sounds like an electric guitar but weirdly compressed, not necessarily digitaly, just like some very cheap shitty amp. In this situation, the eq didn't help. I don't have fuzzes or distorion pedals though, only overdrives and dirty channel. But it wasn't as bad in fx loop with clean channel, so I guess the reason is the drive and not the fx loop.
Fun video!
Mad sound, it reminds me of the theme tune to " STARSKEY AND HUTCH " circa 1975 , but where's HUGGY BEAR ? .
to do so that the guitar sounds exactly as if I detuned a semi-tone below, there is drop D which is very faithful, right?
I have a whammy 5 and it has been on my board for ages, but it takes a lot of space up for something I use very little of. I am wondering if there is a better way, have heard of people getting similar results with a pitchfork and an expression pedal.
I see the Pico Pitchfork doesn't have a latching feature like the big fella does.
Cool shit
Never mind the pedals, where did you get that hat?
The first time you used the Ricochet, it sounded like you were about to launch into The One And Only by Chesney Hawkes...
You can’t take that away from me.
I have a big pitchfork but I think I prefer the richchoet
Sounds like the Pitchfork adds some nasty aliasing, which I would maybe like on some synths.
I don't like what the Pitch Fork does to the sound of the guitar. It sounds like another instrument. I've got the Ricochet, it sounds better, but I would like more intervals (maybe) and a 50/50 dry blend on all of them. It has only one octave up plus dry as a separate function. Tuning down, DigiTech Drop is the best. They should make a Climb as well.
Anyway, circumventing the missing dry mix, one could use the Boss LS-2.
👍🏿🤘
I thought the Ricochet sounded much more like the unaffected guitar when doing the key change pitch shifting than the Pitch Fork did. I get it though, neither sound truly natural.
Someone’s been listening to Mutoid Man lately
I prefer the sound of analog octave pedals.
I tried the Richochet but found that it always gave latency, at least in momentary mode? Rendering the pedal basically useless because it screws with the feel under the fingers
Agreed. I have one but is shelved. The latency is too much.
You can’t shift pitch instantly. Just gotta learn to live with the latency. Or not use one. I never go more than a whole step with digital pitch bending, that keeps the latency reasonable. Saves me time tuning down or switching guitars live. I can do the whole 3 hour gig with 1 guitar and a capo now
@@Ottophil Well, that's quite a limited use for a pedal promising two octaves of pitch shifting. I think Digitech should get their doo-doo together and fix the latency. Is quite an expensive pedal.
I’m a pitch into dirt kinda guy.
🤪Pitch my Fork
QUESTION: I have an Audio Brothers Hiwatt DR103 and I'm looking for compatible 10" speakers that sound like Fanes. I have a SIX 10" cabinet that I want to utilize so I need 10" speakers. Fane no longer makes 10" speakers so what can you suggest that would compliment the Hiwatt sound? THANKS
Not our area of expertise unfortunately. We always like Celestiion Alnico Gold 10s, but whether they’re like Fanes…. No idea! Good luck!
The modern Fanes makes 10” speakers. Have no idea what sonic or fiduciary relationship they have to the Fanes of the ‘70’s, but perhaps that could be a starting point?
@@mattthrun-nowicki8641 Well when I go to the Fane site for guitar speakers there are no 10" being made. They only sell 12" speakers for guitar, I messaged them about this and they told me there's no call for 10" guitar speakers.
Play epiphone and maybe I'll watch