How did Medieval Diplomacy Work? (Short Animated Documentary)
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- Опубліковано 30 гру 2019
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Sources:
Anglo-Scottish Relations, 1296-1389: Some Recent Essays by Bruce Webster
Scotland's 'Auld Alliance' with France, 1295-1560 by Elizabeth Bonner
Edward III and the Beginnings of the Hundred Years War by G. Templeman
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“We all know how modern diplomacy works” yep, yes, completely, I definitely know 100% how modern diplomacy works
It's basically like highschool.
Yes.
It doesn't.
@@InternetMameluq it is. And people get offended over the most stupid things
You’re a commenter on UA-cam videos, of course you do, but not anyone else, unless of course they agree with you
Just like when discussing history and politics
Girlfriend wants you to treat her like a princess...
... Proceeds to marry her to a stranger to strengthen ties with France ;-)
So, your girlfriend is blood related to you?
Farry Yours isn‘t ?
@@yvel8503 sweet home alabama
@@tommydoez
Incest isn't always Alabama, mate. Sometimes it's Mediaeval Europe.
@@tommydoez Sweet home Habsburg
"Sire we can't go to war against the ottomans"
"Why not??"
"We don't have a free diplomat"
the pain dude...
ilia han lol
Love a random eu4 reference
K e b a b w i n s
Guess I'll have to stop fabricating claims to free one up, then.
New mission from the pope!
Don't attack FRANCE for ten years
Reward: nothing
Penalty: excommunication.
emptank reminds me of medieval total war 2 haha
Guess I'll apostatize then *shrugs*
France continues attacking, having started the war in the first place
Mission accomplished
Pope: I hope the new find peace will last
Me: ROFL!
And France continues laying siege, whereas I would get excommunicated for doing the same.
Medieval diplomacy in nutshell:
Demand: Accept or we will attack
Request: Please, do not attack
Ah, M2TW diplomacy...
@@hamarbiljungskile8953 Or any other total war game.
@@MrAnonymousRandom At least until they removed those options.
Tak ty si došel až sem?
You are absolutely demolishing the enemy. All his armies are destroyed, half of his remaining fief is besieged.
Their peace offer:
We demand:
Ceasefire
Give us 1 000 000 florins
It worked by clicking on a ruler's portrait and selecting the relevant item from the list of possible diplomatic actions.
Yeah, but back then some nations had much better mice than others, so declaring war was easy for them.
I love when they ride horses in these. Almost as good as when a character drops dead and you hear the sound of them hitting the floor.
Or when they go traipsing through the flower field with something horrible tagged above them
The blissful frolic through the flowers is always good too lol
The best animation ever was the Queen of England roping out of a helicopter with a gun and camo veil
The intimidation move of scowling and standing closer, closer and behind them.
@@Milk382011 Was that an animation, or was that actual footage?
"My liege, the war is too costly for us"
"Why? Its just a small neighbouring nation and weak allies"
"We're still in truce, my liege. We're gonna get stab hit!"
or "my liege, we have military access, we can't go to war!"
"wait what, that's stopping us?"
@@DaDARKPass and theyre transferring their trade power to us 🤣
Noob. Just get a CB on one of their allies. Taking their clay will be a touch more expensive though
@@talltroll7092 that's the problem, if you want to take a lot of provinces this will be a lot of aggressive expansion and not always dealing with coalition is easy, or you just don't want it coz it's annoying
@@mrszmatan2727 I remember when Alexander the Great got coalitioned because he had too much Aggressive Expansion
*Usually it was done in the bed*
You're right, it's a method we cannot afford to lose.
Robert Mitchell what?
@@tomwinchester8209 it's a reference to OP's username from star wars
@@tomwinchester8209 *Good relations with the princess I have*
@@robertmitchell8683 Trump need to fuck Winnie the Pooh
Nice example of the Hundred Years war period, but I think another great example of medieval diplomacy is the episode when the King of England attempted to gain a French garrison's support for a holy quest and then being told by the French that his mother was a hamster and his father smelt of elderberries.
Damn, you got me in the first half, not gonna lie
@@gabisuciu6785 Same
‘Is there anyone else up there we can talk to?”
Joe R M “I blow mah nose at you and fart in your general direction! Now go away before I taunt you a second time, you silly English speaking knnnnnnnnigits!”
@@vinnydaq13 Now I know Why the English hate the French so much.
Sseth said it best
"It's impossible to make everyone happy. Your vassals want more land, your wife wants more jewelry, and your brother wants more of your wife."
Context? Who is sseth?
SsethTzeentach. He said that in his CK2 Video
And to the oubilette with them all.
I'll never forget
_Mr. Moustache_
*OH, ITS YOU AGAIN MR.* *MOUSTACHE MEN*
-ISP
vAqeii: And “you know who”.
Mr. Hitman
Which moustache?
"Peace Treaty with england. Demands: Everything, Concessions: None, Alba gu bràth" this is the most scottish thing i've ever seen...
@Joshua N. Ajang Scots Gaelic and Irish Gaelic are quite similar.
@Joshua N. Ajang you can destinguish scottish(gaidhlig) and irish (geailge) from each other via the accents. In irish there is only this "´" accent used. In scottish only this "`" .
Wait 'till the Scots get in gear with their demands prior to the next referendum to leave Britain...
@@paireon3419 welll i think it is only a matter of time until the last remnants of the british empire fall apart and get independence. In 20 years we will have a kingdom of england again and an independent scottland and wales. I see it comming. In this case england would be as weak as it was around 1000 last time in 2040.
@@dershogun6396 Let's hope so. I may love British humor but as a French-Canadian who knows his history I am not fond of the English yoke.
James Bisinette is back on top!
Loved this video, one of those topics I always wondered about - Crusader Kings 2 is pretty accurate really in how marriages create alliances but after a while they just lead to wars over claims
King: Here, have my daughter. We are friends now.
Habsburgs: I've got daughters
Habsburgs: I also have a male cousin who needs a wife.
@Kas Mag Linz mehr
*Talking about Medieval diplomacy*
People Who Play CK2: "Allow us to introduce ourselves"
The definitive fratricide, infanticide, and general nastiness simulator
what about eu4 players?
DaDARKPass forced culturalization, genocide, and mass slavery simulator. Also Mingsplosions and the dangers of too much baguette in one place
Gideon Mele and don’t forget the pre-modern eugenics programs
Zachary Cornelison of course! In the names of SCIENCE!! and dynastic purity
I especially love the cheeky humor you show in the signs your characters hold at different points and the other writings in the videos to emphasize a point you make vocally ("David woz ere"). I laughed out loud at these signs because they are so clever and on point.
"Give Milan." I had to walk that one off, it hurt so much
The "soon (ish)" and "tell him hi" are almost the best part of the video, definitely underrated 😂
1:20
The popes always have the fanciest hats
Its real name is the papal tiara.
… and it's a crown 👑
I don’t know who he is, but I’m glad to know that James Bizenette returned to his rightful place at the top of the special thanks list.
I like that the only diplomatic options are alliances (for war), declaring war, and suing for peace (in a war).
2:44 "David woz ere" Guess that's a reference to David II of Scotland's captivity in England?
Still waiting for the Orthodox Church in the Protestant Reformation
Alejandro Kaplan this
?
A snek Boi he said a long time ago he would make a video on how the Orthodox Church reacted to the Protestant reformation and that hasn’t come out yet
oh yeah. This would be interesting. Though i've watched an interview with an american orthodox "Archpriest" who worte an entie book about the views of antiochian orthodox church on the proestant reformation.
Der Shogun yeah he did a poll on his channel and that won the poll and the video never came, still waiting
I literally feel like I have to watch at least one of your animations every day. Their simplicity is mesmerizing...
Honestly this is probably my favorite Chanel in UA-cam. It’s often this notification that I’ll catch first thing in the morning and it’s just great. Thanks man
I know how this works... I’ve play CK2
What the shit is ck2 ?
@@paulbuzla8728 a game named crusader kings 2
Thanks mate ;)
Meanwhile:
Habsburgs
*_Bella gerant alii, tu felix Austria nube_** - ‘Let others wage war: thou, happy Austria, marry’. This famous saying is invariably quoted when the rise of the Habsburgs is put down to the success of their dynastic marriage policy, in which young archdukes and archduchesses were frequently married off as children to members of other dynasties, or indeed to relatives of their own.*
*Emperor Maximilian I is credited with the greatest success in the implementation of this policy - through his own marriage and those of his son Philip the Fair and his grandson Ferdinand, the dynasty gained Burgundy, Spain, Bohemia, and Hungary. However, the famous saying ignores the many strokes of luck that contributed to the rise of the Habsburgs - and also the fact that their gains were by no means always achieved without loss of blood. Wars were an equally important element of Habsburg policy as marriages.*
Your horse riding animation made me laugh, keep it up!
Didnt know Czechia used to own parts of italy and belarus
Yeah, Bohemia used to control land all over because of dynastic bullshittery.
@@bradymcelroy1627 ok
the luxembourgs used to own a lot
The unique magic of the HRE
Not Bohemia. The German dynasty who ended up holding the title "king of bohemia" held other titles in parallel.
The crucial thing to understand that each of these holdings was a separate state with separate institutions. It just happened that their head of government was the same person. So if Bohemia was to call a parliament or whatever, it would have no authority in the other realms.
Thank you for the new video! Happy New Year to you and the channel!
Bravo as always.. the art style is perfect.
I love your channel keep up the great stuff!!
Amazing video as always and Happy New Year
Diplomacy in Rome Total War be like:
*Their Offers*
Accept or we will attack
*Their Demands*
Please do not attack
aka peace
I've only played Rome 2. I've never been able to issue ultimatums like that.
Congrats on 350.000 subs!
3:04 Jesus’s Ghost xd
Must be the Holy Spirit.
@Funnti Dassi Holy Shit
Fascinating the way diplomacy has evolved-- from arranged marriage to having a person to represent a specific country. One must also consider the advances in modern technology, which makes it a lot easier to handle major concerns and problems.
I'd argue that social changes played a bigger part than technology. You have to remember for much of history the concept of nationalism as we know wasn't really a thing. The King of France was seen as the nation of France. But once we got nationalism as a concept and the idea that a nation is made up of its citizens and not its leader, we didn't really have one person to stick a political marriage on since (especially after republics and democratic voting became more widespread) the person you're marrying for political power might not even be in power in five years.
Modern communication technology really helps a lot. It’s much easier to conduct diplomacy with a simple phone call or a quick plane trip than to send a letter via a guy on a horse that’ll take weeks or months to get there and even longer for the response to arrive back to you.
Yours is the only list of patrons I bother to listen to :)
While it is quite simplified (and I think I'll do some more research) I think this will help iron out some kinks in a piece of fiction I'm writing. Thank you.
1:59 the contrast between the detailed borders of france and the vague splotches of bohemia are hillarious
Please keep James Bisonette first in your special thanks, pleaseeeeeee
This was interesting and I would love am even more indepth version cause this is such an interesting subject
Happy new year!
This channel is - IMO - fantastic.
I See the 100 Patron war Ends with James bizanette ebforcing his claim of the 1st Throne, usurping any of the pretenders in recent history
And things were restored to their rightful sense once more
Happy New Year!!!
2:55 That one slayed me! XD
later...
**diplomat finally returns from the long journey to his kingdom's neighbor on behalf of his lord**
French king: Good, very good! Now that we've established a dialogue...ask them how is the weather over there!
French envoy: ...
**diplomat begins long arduous journey over many miles back to their neighbor's kingdom and sovereign**
"3 years later"
Sucks to be anyone honestly in that era
@@fulcrum2951 Or in any era before the telegraph...
And Ghost Jesus with stigmata! @ 3:04. Man, I love these!
@0:52 Ok, I admit it, I laugh snorted when I saw the "Insert Earth here" caption for the UN symbol. Well done!
0:39 I'm Irish yet I understand the Scottish
The pope's eyes move! I never noticed that before (There are so many clever jokes and asides, I like to re-watch these videos)
It seems like there could be something of a topic to be made of the relatively brief phenomenon of declared war during the 19th and early 20th centuries.
I miss when our country actually had to declare a war to have a war....
Happy new year
Happy New Years
I wish you a happy new year :D
I can't stop watching these videos! help!
3:06 ''Insert earth here'' Brilliant
3:05. Ghostly Jesus with dots on h9s hands. Lol. Nice touch.
I'm pleased this is the last UA-cam video I watch this decade
That historical "dad joke," though... that was brutal!
Interesting. Cheers!
Happy 2020 everyone.
Me: *sees title*
Marrying off your daughters and marrying your cousin, because, what else?
dumb comment
I noticed when you showed the Kingdom of Bohemia it was made up of several geographically disconnected territories.
How did that work in the Middle Ages?
During this time period all that land was under the Holy Roman Empire, and the emperor at the time was Louis The Bavarian, his election as the emperor was the result of a big portion of the empire nobles thinking the king of Bohemia was too strong ( keep in mind there is a myth that say the german electors dint want a czech emperor, but thats a lie since John of Bohemia was Luxembourgian, born of a franksh house, therefore had more blue blood than any guy from Germany/Austria proper ).
The electors tried to elect a guy from Austria, a war was to happen if they did that since the king of Bohemia would not accept, and the electors would not accept another bohemian king as the emperor, so they chose Louis as a compromise, he was a weak emperor and effectively every part of the empire rule almost independently at that time, thats why the bohemian king managed to keep all of that under 1 crown on the holy roman empire.
Later on the bohemian line would go back to rule the Empire for 3 more generations, but the lack of male heirs would make every corner of the crown land be divided by cousins and brothers in law.
Well John of Luxembourg came from Luxembourg, so that's the most western territory. Bohemia, Moravia and Silesia were inherited together through his wife, Elizabeth. So was Poland but he wasn't actually ruling it, he just used the title. The north of Italy was given to him by the holy roman emperor, his son didn't inherit it though.
@@stepanhrebicek8309 that was Mazovia not whole Poland. It was Bohemian vassal at early XIVth century.
Due to weird inheritances because of political alliance marriages, many nobles and rulers ended up ruling several different bits of unconnected land in different regions.
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You should do how diplomacy worked in ancient times. Like between Rome and Persia.
I love your videos, how do you get these stuffs, your too smart.
you're
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Happy New Year Folks !
Happy New Year everyone! Keep up the great work HM!
Great video. And Bohemia today!!!
Anglo-Portuguese alliance 4ever
Less when the brits wants to connect its colonies in Africa
@@angrymonkeynoises Well you see, it's more of a one sided alliance. You don't attack us, but we can attack you.
Have you considered making a video on life in Japan during allied occupation following WW2?
I think he has one
Fantasy Tapestry ("Tapisserie Fantaisie"). HA! I assume this is in contrast to the Bayeux Tapestry ("Tapisserie de Bayeux")
And then "Scotland Forever!" ("Alba gu brath") @ 0:38-ish
Too funny!
Video idea: How did medieval diplomacy evolve into modern diplomacy?
I'm just here to read the great signage. "I own you" explains fealty of one state to another very succinctly. 😂
I love how he continually just disses scotland.
3:07 i feel like John Major is in a lot of your vids
The closest vassal gets the bad news. You're going to have to go talk to the cannibals good luck.
Next video idea: what happened to the Anglo Saxon aristocracy when the normans displaced them?
1:27 *Medieval Popes:* We demand front row seats!
When you're allied with two opposing A.I. and have shared vision....
hey could you do the sengoku jadi period?
I would like to know one thing that is not explained in the video- how did the rulers of vastly different cultures and languages communicate with each other? Within catholic nations, I guess Latin could serve as lingua franca, but for example, when Mongols invaded most of the Old World, they would send envoys to rulers of countries of pretty much alien cultures to them- how would they manage to send the information in an understandable form?
They likely couldn't. That's probably why they kept getting executed.
Traders acted as emissaries
French was a common language of European diplomacy, at least prior to the 20th century.
Churchmen spoke Latin, western nobility tended to speak a French dialect of some sort, and thus could communicate to a certain extent, Latin based languages had diverged less so you could pick up some of what was said simply though familiarity. If it was going to be a bigger problem the noble selected would already speak the language or they'd take a priest with them who could then translate though another priest. The byzantines had a lot of Italians around and no one much felt like communicating with pagans beyond the whole convert or die, but if you had too you'd just ask a convert to do it for you, same with Muslims.
Ok this is epic
WHAT WOULD ROB WATERHOUSE DO?
The facial expressions got me dying lmao
These videos are great because it appeals to my short attention span.
2:23
Me anytime I try to do housework
You should do a long unedited video of you talking about a subject you like. Easier to make so you don’t waist time only to get demonetized
The ghost Jesus killed me 😂
You actually do have to declare war, not with the one you are attacking but with your direct overlord like your emperor. You need to present you casus belli to your direct overlord and he would have to approve it.
King of France: hey, I have an extra daughter laying around, want a treaty?
Holy Roman Emperor: eh, I guess, send her on over.
Ah james is back. Good
Bring back longer videos
Basically, it was one monarch saying to another monarch: "Hey, haaaaaaaave you met my relative/noble friend?"
After rewarding this, I only just noticed the "David woz ere" on the prison walls when talking about John II...
I'm pretty sure that's a reference to King David II of Scotland, who had been captured by King Edward III during the Second War of Scottish Independence...
Though he was eventually ransomed back to his kingdom.
Which software/website for the animation and characters??
I like that bit of Gaelic at 0:40. Alba gu brath. Scotland forever.
*having just played Medieval 2*
Have a boatload of money for every demand and an army pointed in their direction in case they say no
Which they usually do