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From what I can see on my end, the results were similar. Thermals without LM on the 5800H are interesting and I look forward to different results as more chassis’s are introduced.
I wonder if better thermals will close this gap some. I doubt the 5800H can close the gap completely but say if the 5800H ran 90c or under would we see a different story?
No, good job XMG, who could make an intel processor stretch its legs without melting the rest of the laptop, we knew intel could have this performance, but only within an extremely high power and thermally capable chassis, while amd performs great at any power level
I can't believe that someone would put this much work into a video.. I am thinking about how each game test requires a couple tries for the average for 2 resolutions and 4 settings...
@@HippasosofMetapontum The Ryzen 7 is a powerful processor wich you’ll be able to use for the next 8-10 years until becoming obsolete, if you’re doing intensive tasks like rendering video editing etc. then Ryzen 9 would be good but just for gaming Ryzen 7 is fine.
@@steelsteez6118 Yes, the Ryzen 9 5900hx, is just a rebadged Ryzen 7 so those who don’t know much about CPUs but need a powerful laptop will think that the Ryzen 9 is much more powerful and will pay much more for it (laptops with Ryzen 9 CPUs cost much more than those with Ryzen 7, a Ryzen 7 laptop with a Nvidia RTX GPU will cost between 1700 and 2400$ while a Ryzen 9 laptop with a Nvidia RTX GPU will cost between 2700 and 300$)
I've been thinking this too. He had two laptops working for at least 24 hours combined without the plug in stuff. It is clear as day he worked so hard for this video to come together. Although, I feel a little pesky about the environmental effects of this job.
I want to note that this video was finished prior to the Hardware Unboxed comparison video the other day (ua-cam.com/video/qRkwECJnIhQ/v-deo.html), the intro at 0:17 wasn't targeted at them, but much larger general tech channels that don't perform any testing. As for why my results show the opposite, there are some differences to consider between our comparisons: * I'm testing an i7 a tier above what Tim used, while my Ryzen CPU is a tier below. * Both of mine have DDR4-3200 memory, the Intel laptop supported memory overclocking so I chose to match Ryzen rather than use 2933. * Both of my laptops have Resizable BAR. Regardless we both don't seem to have major differences in either direction and come to similar conclusions.
I’m not totally understanding why you and hardware unboxed have such different results. Was hardware unboxed’s testing methodology flawed by having the capped CPU power at 45 watts, or does it have more to do with it being a 5900hx?
Hey Jarrod! Love that you put so much effort into making things as fair as possible between these laptops. But sadly I think this test maybe flawed in a major way. The reason is the Intel model has 50% more heat pipes to the CPU and when you couple this with the fact that both CPUs were thermal throttling frequently it means your results will not reflect a fair comparison as the Intel has way more thermal headroom to perform better given 50% more cooling. There are examples from Bobofalltrades in Battlefield V where the AMD chassis is non stop thermal throttling. Can you double check to make sure if there was thermal throttling in any of your tests?
@@kb8102 He already DID a thorough test. If there are more heat pipes going to the Intel CPU, then that's just how it is. You as a consumer will not be able to select an option to add more heat pipes to the laptop design, so the results stand as they are.
@@selohcin this is a CPU comparison, not a laptop comparison. You have to set up both the same way. This is the best Jarrod could do, however it is not really fair.
This was quite surprising. I expected the Intel and AMD to have a bit of a smaller gap. But the Intel being a bit better for gaming seems to show its fangs. So it's safe to assume that if you 100% game then go Intel. If you require don't mind the slight performance dip but better battery and performance for multicore workload, go AMD.
@@GunzyTech they are both good but that battery life is substantially better in the AMD if you're gonna be going to a coffee shop or school or something. I'd personally take an L on a few frames in order to have an overall more well rounded laptop. After all, laptops are about portability, the less shit you have to carry, the better.
@@DirtyFiST69 Ive never been somewhere using my laptop where i couldnt charge it, i also bring my power cable whenever i bring my laptop somewhere. so personally it doesnt make a difference.
@@GunzyTech that's true, you can plug in almost anywhere these days but that's where personal differences and lifestyles come into play. I hate always being plugged in unless I'm at home at a desk And I hate having to drag around extra crap. Sometimes i like to sit outside a coffee shop or a bench outside school for some fresh air where there are no plug ins. I also ride my bike or walk to places rather than drive sometimes and it's really nice to not have to carry extra weight if you don't have to. Less inconvenience, ya know? Less of that, "excuse me, do you mind if I use that plug in between your tables? Oh, nevermind both the sockets are in use" and then you're waiting for someone to leave a table with a socket so you can plug in before your laptop or phone die. But like you said, if you can manage to always have sockets available and don't mind the extra clutter/weight/ random inconveniences of bad battery life then your best bet is probably whatever is cheapest.
@@DirtyFiST69 makes total sense, i never game or edit videos unless im plugged in anyway, so even if I went ryzen personally, I would still be plugging in for any work id need to do. 2-3 hours battery for normal tasks usally works for me, especially since AMD is often out of stock in my area.
I just looked up this i7 10th gen refresh. It has increased clock speeds and the cache is now L3 = 16mb, instead of L2 = 4mb and L3 = 12mb form the old i7 10th gen. I also just recently found out that the new i5 10th gen finally has 6 cores.
Intel optimized games are :- Cyberpunk 2077 Battlefield 5 Watch dogs legion If u have an Intel system then u already have edge over amd in these 3 games!
See, this is the respectable way to promote a head to head. Not "INTEL DESTROYS AMD1!1!" Fanboys, follow your wallet. They're pretty much the same so cost is your deciding factor, not fanboism of a company that couldn't give 2 shits about you vs you're money.
8w extra with intel, and for the same price should pretty much be 10750h vs 5800h &10875h vs 5900h. The 5800h is quite low tier even used in the ＄999 nitro5（5800h+3060）
@@helloworld9996 As far as i'm concerned you can get away with comparing the 10875h to the 4900HS and they come away pretty much equal across the board. There's almost no need to even get into the 5000 series chips for comparison.
For me the battery life gain on AMD while not gaming is well worth the slight drop in gaming. But this is good to know and I've seen very few youtubers key in on the fact that Intel is actually still the leader in gaming.
@@josephgood2704 Understood. I'm just saying that I don't remember AMD saying they had the best gaming laptop CPU. They did claim that for desktop however.
@@theexmann I could not care any less what any company claims. I don't get why you are even mentioning it. It has absolutely nothing to do with anything talked about in this video and nothing that could possibly have to do with any products in this video. You are reaching for some type of fanboy stuff to argue about. I simply don't care.
@@theexmann I've had both 10750h 2060 laptops and 4900hs 2060 laptops in the past year. There is no way in hell I'd go back to a 10 series Intel chip. I have bought dozens of products from both companies over the past 20 years. I don't care about brand, simply performance For laptops AMD is on top regardless of FPS numbers. It's hardly a competition when you pull the power cord.
@@張彥暉-v8p I can't remember the last time I even used any of my three laptops on battery. A person really shouldn't be gaming off the battery anyway. On a lot of laptops you get gimped performance if it is battery power because it really needs the power from the wall to function at max levels.
It’s more than just FPS on why I prefer AMD personally. These fews fps make no differences literally and the higher performance on low is not really a big argument in my opinion. The way intel is priced and how less of optimization they did when they had no competition is more than enough for me to prefer AMD. I think AMD is much more focused on what people want and Intel just releases what’s low in production cost and will bring in a margin for them. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s how I feel about it. anyways great video with good insight!
Fanboy spottet... Wdym by "less of optimization"? This is my main reason for chosing Intel over AMD. Optimization. AMD is years behind Intel in that regard. Not just in games, but most applications. I’m a frequent user of Photoshop, Premiere and Unreal Engine, and Intel has a solid advantage in performance here. I also use VR frequently, of which AMD still has lots of optimization issues. Intel wins hands down in the PC game of things, while AMD has a hand on consoles. That’s the way I see it.
Although i know that i am not a fanboy i choose whatever i like and feel there will be a benifit for me, which gives more performance for cheaper, i wanted to buy a laptop with minimum 6 core and 6gb of vram, there were a few options with omen 15, g5 se, msi gf65 the cheapest one was g5 with 4600h and 5600m which meets my requirement if msi gf65 was cheaper than g5 with 9750h and 1660ti but it was $200more expensive in my country so instead i got this one bcs one was $100 expensive too with 4600h and 1660ti
I hated when he brought that up. I've been looking for a true "only difference is the chip in the socket" comparison, and this laptop came the closest of any I've seen, but still fell critically short. Is AMD responsible, or is it the maker of the motherboard/laptop that hindered the chip that way?
i just thinking is come from ryzen design itself which is filled the space with cpu related to gain high performance. and series 5000 used little space from refined 7 nm TSCM to gain for. we should just skipped ryzen 3, and waiting for 5nm ryzen 4.
A processor based on the same microarchitecture as the old 6700HQ is beating the newly designed Zen 3. That's just incredible. I'm really excited for the TGL H45.
@@ishkaranbrar313 maybe you can explain why intel 10 th gen winning in games despite single core performance defeated by amd ? I cannot understand honestly that why i said maybe in previous comment
@@mrbobgamingmemes9558 5800H is faster than a 10870H but loses to 10875H. I think it's down to the fact the ryzen 5000 has 8 PCIe connections and the intel has 16. But my friend disagrees. It's a complex conclusion. Need more testing. We'll see how tiger lake does because that's supposed to get 20 PCIe Gen 4 lanes. If that would be much faster than both of the 5000 and 10th gen then it's down to PCIe connections.
5900hx does have 16 PCIe lanes right? So that would remove possible bottlenecks, plus the 4.5% increase in clock speeds would beat 10875h pretty handily?
@@tranquility6789 Intel laptops are usually more expensive compared to AMD laptops, and the extra 5% boost in performance isn't worth an extra 100 or 200 bucks.
There is a LTT video that proves my point I’m about to make. AMD laptops are using x16 memory modules which are 20% slower than x8 in gaming benchmarks, if you swap out the memory using x8 into the amd laptop, amd laptop would be faster... Don't know why laptop manufacturers are doing this to AMD laptops. Sounds like an intel conspiracy.
This comparison was so much better than hw unboxed's benchmarks as you have same 2 laptops of same two sizes + ryzen 7 vs intel i7..thats apples to apples
True ! But you must think reality ! Not all of us will go out there and buy just only this brand ! There are so many laptops out there got their design so much better than Clevo ! Not only for performance ! THink about it !
@@phatminhphan4121 from here we know what's performance is what....so we can buy depending which one is cheaper..like in my country intel one is you can say only available + cheaper ..ryzen stock out..
Surely though this isn’t based on price. Atleast here in the UK for your money the comparison should be with the 5900 series when comparing with the 10875H. Considering you get a 5900hs for £2000 with a 3070 in the form of an ASU’s g15
So in conclusion: That Pcie x8 is indeed a bottleneck. last year's choice to max out amd 4000 series to rtx2060 was not intentional. And it appears that this bottleneck also apply in 5000 series as well. So ryzen 5000 should still be paired with rtx 3060 or lower gpus then.
No.... he’s using a 5800H not X. you can pair a 5000x cpu with any high end gpu. If you had a 5950x with a rtx 3090 there would be no bottleneck. I have a 5800x with a 3060 ti and no bottleneck
I bought my laptop after watching your video. Your videos are so precise and cleared all my doubts without even asking. Thank you and i am enjoying my 8 month old ryzen 4800H
Really cool to see, was leaning towards getting a Ryzen 5000 laptop later in the year, but a 6/8 core tiger lake laptop might not seem like a bad alternative considering gaming is my focus - guess it'll come down to price and availability. Thanks for the insight, Jarrod
If all you care about gaming and spend then year you better off with the new Intel 4 core that had a very high base frequency. Butnif you want a laptop that manages temp, voltage better battery life and multi core performance then ryzen is the only choice.
its not really a fair comparison, price wise I7 10875h is similar to Ryzen 9 5900h more then Ryzen 7 , a fair comparison to Ryzen 7 5800 is 6 core I7 10750h
You do some good work Jarrod, but please just talk a bit about price. 10875h chips are often more expensive than AMD chips (maybe because they require better cooling solution?)...
nice video, excellent stuff. And grateful for the polished comparison plots. One suggestion with the stack plots, you could include either the fold-change or % change to the right of the bars. It would make it easier to understand/see the difference between the fps with the plotted raw data. While you do add these data in the summary plots which is nice, it would be nicer to have it and see it with the stack plots. Also this would save some time or allow for other info to be added in place of it, etc. Love the In Flames shirt. Good music.
You should have spent time looking at the 1% lows in more detail. Intel having much higher in a lot of cases. Higher the 1% low, the smother the game is going to feel.
@Jarrod, one request, in any of the games where Intel has a good lead, can you check how much power is actually getting pushed to the Intel and the AMD laptop respectively? Eluktronics / XMG Neo has a habit of pushing less power to AMD CPUs compared to Intel models which can cause CPU bottleneck. If you compare your review of Rp-15 with 4800H and RTX 2060 110W (electro Boost) and Lenovo Legion 5 with 4800H and GTX 1660 Ti, Legion 5 was actually beating that 110W RTX 2060 in ELuktronics RP-15 in lot of cases.
I don't have an XMG (When are they coming to the UK?) but I do have an Asus Strix G15 with the Ryzen 7 5800H and an RTX 3070 and I was super impressed with battery life, playing WoW on low settings 1080p and capped at 30fps for level grinding I'm getting around 5 hours.
I have the same system as the intel with the 10875H and 3070 QHD but my results are lower for some reason, did you use the benchmark that comes with the game? Also in the graphics settings did you have advanced settings locked or unlocked? If unlocked was everything on there in ultra too cause that just cripples my system. How about the TAA, FXAA and MSAA, did you have them all maxed too? Curious to find find out why mine isn't having similar results. Great video by the way.
The only assumptions that I had heard were that Intel was leading in games on laptops and it looks like they barely are. For me when they are this close price is much more important but prices are really weird right now. Whatever the case, good job as always!
Thanks for the great video, Jarrod. It is good to see that they are close. I hope Intel 11th gen CPUs will have a better battery life and thermals. Competition among manufacturers is good for customers.
I've been waiting this video since I heard 5800H was disadvantaged in gaming. I was considering going for Intel model but I worried it would be higher-priced. Thank you for sharing the price difference on the two, exactly what I need to make my mind. Awesome Job Jarrod!
Finally, I'm so tired of people saying "No AMD, No buy" When you see last gen keeping up or being better than the latest AMD, it shows that both have their strengths and weaknesses
You should actually look up these new "10th gen" intel cpus. They are kind of a refresh to keep up with AMD that's why they trade blows. Even the naming is different so it's not that hard to notice.
Amd is cheaper tho and better for battery. I would buy AMD any time over intel if it is possible. But my laptop I want to buy is only with Intel, still gonna buy it. But overall I think Amd is much better right now.
@@runek100 Had the same situation buying my Legion. Could only get it with an intel chip. Only use it for gaming anyway so this video was quite reassuring
@@leonflorence118 ye, I also want to buy legion, I want 7 slim and it is only with intel in my country. I dont want it only for gaming, so amd would be much better, but I am glad it has at least good performance in games.
45% better battery life makes this an objective win for the Ryzen version even if productivity doesn't matter to you. If you're that hellbent on gaming superiority, build or buy a desktop. Oh, you want gaming superiority and portability? Your favourite new AAA games are not gonna be played at low settings and e-sports games will perform similarly. Then move on to watching your favourite TV series and Jarrod's Tech video marathons without worrying about charging as much. Unless you're the one weirdo that plays absolutely every new game at 720p low settings on an expensive laptop, go Ryzen, wait for 8 core Tiger Lake or buy a desktop.
I think I'll be waiting for Intel 11th Gen for laptop, hoping they won't be as disappointing as the desktop counterpart which is still using 14nm fabrication.
@@monkeslayer-km5ho Yes, the H45 cpu. I don't expect intel to beat amd in this gen but the 45w 10nm cpu should be more power efficient than the previous gen.
From my perspective: - If you just want to game Intel is better because of better performance in games + you can easily undervolt the cpu for better thermals than AMD. I personally use an i7 10750h (6 cores vs 8 cores ryzen 5800) and RTX 3070 (130w vs 140 in video) and i got 126 fps on highest settings with only 6 cores and lower power gpu. For gaming Intel is the way to go. - If you are a student AMD will fit better for your needs as of better battery life, better performance in editing software and still excelent gaming results.
I know I said this already, but when comparing CPU's, how about testing with CPU heavy games like Total War Three Kingdoms. Or any Total War game for that matter.
There is only a 100MHz difference between 10870H and 10875H so probably not that, wouldn't even hit that outside of brief boosts most likely. I'm working on a 5800H and 5900HX comparison at the moment so that might shed some light there, but yeah also other differences in the memory and rebar.
@@pyramidschemer4083 i want a machine with Maximum performance for my money and good battery of atleast 6hrs on normal workload and good keyboard and good brightness screen
You just earned a subscriber..... the effort you put in your videos is just 🔥🔥🔥... keep it up.... just learned so much from this and the other cpu productive comparision video.... thanks for all this effort....
This one is nice bro. Many people were looking at exactly these two CPUs to choose from.. Well done. 😃😃 On a side note press Windows Key + period (dot) to bring up Windows internal emoji keyboard. .. Cheers....☺☺😁
I bought an intel laptop recently and glad to see I didn't get burned. I only game and do 0 productivity task so glad to see I didn't miss out on gaming performance.
@@ishkaranbrar313 Travel around the world, and you will find plenty of countries where it's cheaper. The point is, there is no universal choice, and those two versions are roughly the same (in gaming, but AMD is still superior in virtually anything else). So if Intel is cheaper in your country, you might as well get Intel. But otherwise it's probably best to get AMD.
@@Derael He said it like if it's a universal fact. I see no difference in the Scar 17 and GE76's price. Anyway it's not fair to compare Ryzen 5000 to the 10th gen. They said 11th gen is coming this month.
@@ishkaranbrar313 I don't think he said it like a universal fact. He literally said that's something he can do. He doesn't need to be aware of the pricing situation outside of his country. And yes, it's perfectly fair to compare current Ryzen generation with current Intel generation, especially if Ryzen is cheaper in his country. There is always a product released earlier and the product released later, what matters is what is available right now for comparison. When 11th gen comes, it would be fair to compare it with Ryzen 5000, but until then 10th gen is the best Intel can offer.
Are there 2 versions of the latest 2021 mobile processors of AMD? I'm confused here, what is the difference of the the Ryzen 9 5800H vs the Ryzen 7 5800H?
I do not really care about blue, red or green I do not shill for Corporations. But, lets face facts, games are optimised mostly for Intel processors, thats a fact yeah some do AMD but Intel has been in the lead for 6+ years at least in gaming and obviously game developers would want to optimise for what most people have in their computers, intel. AMD only beats Intel in gaming when AMD is brute forcing its way, usually a huge lead in other non-gaming tasks. But interesting to see non the less, great work as usual.
I7-10875 laptops are way more expensive then the 7 5800H , the difference is that much different plus that ryzen is better for the price to performance ratio
Interesting to see that a 3070 mobile GPU is even able to create a CPU bottleneck at 1440p. I seem to remember Steve from Hardware Unboxed showing that at 1440p Ultra most games are GPU bound before CPU bound and that's with the higher performance desktop versions of graphics cards.
Hi Jarrod; will you test new zephyrus g14 soon?... I'd like to see how much r9 model with 3060 is better than a 2060 you tested earlier. Tnx and keep up with great job 👋👍
Yea, in India 5900 X should be around 50k to 55k max, but it's selling on 75k. Almost 50℅ more expensive than actual price. Intel i9 10k is sold for 49,999. Now, intel is better priced for the horse power they produce. New ryzen chips are 20℅ faster than comparative intel chips. You get 20℅ more performance with 50℅ more price. Also, intel are easily available. But I like AMD more, so I'll wait for some time till prices come down to their original intended price.
I ditched my 4800H gaming laptop for an 10875H variant last year. Best decision ever. Glad to see 10875H still holds up. AMD more efficient, but really f**k their undervolting/oc non-existent laptop software.
To be fair, Intel undervolting is pretty non existent these days too. Most 10th gen laptops have disabled this in BIOS updates to mitigate plundervolt, of course it depends on the specific machine, but from the amount I've tested I no longer view it as an edge for Intel.
@@JarrodsTech True. I no longer have undervolting for my 10875H (apart from the -80mV from bios). Yet idk, i really could not get over that 4800H being noisy when it shouldn't.
I am really confused between two laptops, One from Dell and one from Lenovo, Lenovo Legion 5 with Ryzen 7 5800h and RTX 3060 130W or Dell G15 5510 with i7-10870H RTX 3060 90W
Trying to figure out out how hes getting such high frame rates in watch dogs legion. i have a 3080 m17 r4 and when he averages over 100fps on high settings, im averaging just around 70-75fps and hes getting this on a 3070. and yes i have optimus disabled.
Thank you for this! I wonder if you are able or would like to do this same kind of comparison but with desktop processors? My preference would be to see AMD's 5800X vs the equivalent Intel CPU.
Why has amd gimped them selves only using half the lanes? They had better multicore performance, finally took single core but it's for nothing if in reality they still can't beat what's going to be intels last gen.
It takes package space for a bigger PCIE lane bus and controller. Considering the difference is miniscule, (productivity wise- a CPU+GPU workload with PCIE lanes the difference would be even less than gaming), AMD decided to save money on manufacturing by doing this. I think they made a smart choice. Running less PCIE lanes also improves battery life.
Great test. I'm on the fence whether or not I'll replace my current laptop with an AMD or Intel model, but the 11th generation Intel CPUs may be enticing if their battery life is improved.
Honestly the bigger issue is stock for example I recently preordered the Prometheus 17.3 laptop from Eluktronics and I will be lucky to even get it by April or even March because I tried getting a Zephyrus Duo or an MSI GE76 but nobody has them except scalpers at horrendous prices $5000+ so it’s best to not be picky and buy whatever is available that suits your needs
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Hi Jarrod, have you got an idea on when you do the Legion 5 pro review ? (Sorry for my english, i hope you understand me x) )
@@clementforestier9815 Not yet, sorry.
@@JarrodsTech what about asus tuf f15
@@priyanshujoshi1336 I asked them for it today, but no news yet.
Jarrod the cost increase on i7 vs R7 is a lot more than 50-60euro. Cost alone is $100.
Big shout out to XMG, because they are shedding so much light into laptop performance, which is more confusing than ever before.
Yeah literally wouldn't have been able to do this without them!
Yes really helpful.
lol
Intel fanboys: waiting for AMD fanboys
Me: let them fight
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
No no no
Instead I would buy a intel cpu and leave the amd fanboys trying to frickin me out
@@GhostSlayerYT tho it will be more expensive?
@@iantips9358 yeah anything even if its 10000$
cause theres no any other cpu company
MORTAL KOMBAT!!!
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Welcome to the comment party
any news on the date for neo 17 to be available?
Stock where?
Any plans on expanding into the Indian market? We need price to performance brands like you here.
gimme a laptop pls thx
You know shit's getting serious when he whips out the "cost per frame" chart 😂
🤣🤣🤣
Haha
😂 😂 😂 😂 It's bout to go down
Def going to use this in my next purchase, be interesting to see what the sales assistant says... "But what's the cost per frame like?"
lol
From what I can see on my end, the results were similar.
Thermals without LM on the 5800H are interesting and I look forward to different results as more chassis’s are introduced.
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I wonder if better thermals will close this gap some. I doubt the 5800H can close the gap completely but say if the 5800H ran 90c or under would we see a different story?
lol
Honestly. I am happy to see that they both are pretty close. I expected that intel would lack behind but they shocked me. Good Job Intel
Not quite out of the race yet I guess, I'm more interested to see what a 6 or 8 core Tigerlake chip can do though.
No, good job XMG, who could make an intel processor stretch its legs without melting the rest of the laptop, we knew intel could have this performance, but only within an extremely high power and thermally capable chassis, while amd performs great at any power level
@@gabrielribeiro9399 ah yes, AMD performs great at around 95°C and stability issues. No undervolt, no underclock, no tdp limit, best processors ever.
@@JarrodsTech the only thing i was waiting for is m17r5 with 11th gen
I regretted praising AMD lol, back to Intel again
I can't believe that someone would put this much work into a video.. I am thinking about how each game test requires a couple tries for the average for 2 resolutions and 4 settings...
That's Jarrod for you 💫
The winner is decided by which one beats my bank account the least
So amd then
@@cammychose6788 apart from the joke in some cases intel is more cheaper
go for the AMD Laptop from XMG but not R7 but R9
@@HippasosofMetapontum The Ryzen 7 is a powerful processor wich you’ll be able to use for the next 8-10 years until becoming obsolete, if you’re doing intensive tasks like rendering video editing etc. then Ryzen 9 would be good but just for gaming Ryzen 7 is fine.
@@steelsteez6118 Yes, the Ryzen 9 5900hx, is just a rebadged Ryzen 7 so those who don’t know much about CPUs but need a powerful laptop will think that the Ryzen 9 is much more powerful and will pay much more for it (laptops with Ryzen 9 CPUs cost much more than those with Ryzen 7, a Ryzen 7 laptop with a Nvidia RTX GPU will cost between 1700 and 2400$ while a Ryzen 9 laptop with a Nvidia RTX GPU will cost between 2700 and 300$)
I’m so glad you’re honest and open about EVERYTHING. You don’t miss a detail!
The amount of work you did to make this experiment valid... Just take my like already.
I've been thinking this too. He had two laptops working for at least 24 hours combined without the plug in stuff. It is clear as day he worked so hard for this video to come together. Although, I feel a little pesky about the environmental effects of this job.
@@mmclxxii environmental effects????
@@callmelito1824 carbon footprints
@@mmclxxii what about it?
lol
I want to note that this video was finished prior to the Hardware Unboxed comparison video the other day (ua-cam.com/video/qRkwECJnIhQ/v-deo.html), the intro at 0:17 wasn't targeted at them, but much larger general tech channels that don't perform any testing. As for why my results show the opposite, there are some differences to consider between our comparisons:
* I'm testing an i7 a tier above what Tim used, while my Ryzen CPU is a tier below.
* Both of mine have DDR4-3200 memory, the Intel laptop supported memory overclocking so I chose to match Ryzen rather than use 2933.
* Both of my laptops have Resizable BAR.
Regardless we both don't seem to have major differences in either direction and come to similar conclusions.
Nah man. You cant back down now I wanna see metal shirt Jarrod vs sleep deprived Steve fight.
With Tim in the background combing his moustache
@@gauthamrhinox I consider what I compared to be same tier.
Yes compare price point, power is longer on ryzen 5000 and amd optimized games will you?
I’m not totally understanding why you and hardware unboxed have such different results. Was hardware unboxed’s testing methodology flawed by having the capped CPU power at 45 watts, or does it have more to do with it being a 5900hx?
compare a ryzen 9 with a i7 and ryzen 7 with a i5
XMG made one laptop with an intel chip just for this video
That is so nice of them
Ru srs?
@@CelestialTrieye yes, he said it in the video
@@CelestialTrieye 12:35
Hey Jarrod! Love that you put so much effort into making things as fair as possible between these laptops. But sadly I think this test maybe flawed in a major way. The reason is the Intel model has 50% more heat pipes to the CPU and when you couple this with the fact that both CPUs were thermal throttling frequently it means your results will not reflect a fair comparison as the Intel has way more thermal headroom to perform better given 50% more cooling. There are examples from Bobofalltrades in Battlefield V where the AMD chassis is non stop thermal throttling. Can you double check to make sure if there was thermal throttling in any of your tests?
And AMD has lackluster or nonexistant undervolting support in general lol.
@Gizmosliptech My thoughts exactly. Tongfang missed big on the AMD thermals.
Hey could you do a thorough test, would be appreciated.
@@kb8102 He already DID a thorough test. If there are more heat pipes going to the Intel CPU, then that's just how it is. You as a consumer will not be able to select an option to add more heat pipes to the laptop design, so the results stand as they are.
@@selohcin this is a CPU comparison, not a laptop comparison. You have to set up both the same way. This is the best Jarrod could do, however it is not really fair.
This was quite surprising. I expected the Intel and AMD to have a bit of a smaller gap. But the Intel being a bit better for gaming seems to show its fangs.
So it's safe to assume that if you 100% game then go Intel. If you require don't mind the slight performance dip but better battery and performance for multicore workload, go AMD.
or really just whichever is available, since theyre so close. Battery life wins of AMD for sure though.
@@GunzyTech they are both good but that battery life is substantially better in the AMD if you're gonna be going to a coffee shop or school or something.
I'd personally take an L on a few frames in order to have an overall more well rounded laptop. After all, laptops are about portability, the less shit you have to carry, the better.
@@DirtyFiST69 Ive never been somewhere using my laptop where i couldnt charge it, i also bring my power cable whenever i bring my laptop somewhere. so personally it doesnt make a difference.
@@GunzyTech that's true, you can plug in almost anywhere these days but that's where personal differences and lifestyles come into play. I hate always being plugged in unless I'm at home at a desk And I hate having to drag around extra crap. Sometimes i like to sit outside a coffee shop or a bench outside school for some fresh air where there are no plug ins. I also ride my bike or walk to places rather than drive sometimes and it's really nice to not have to carry extra weight if you don't have to.
Less inconvenience, ya know? Less of that, "excuse me, do you mind if I use that plug in between your tables? Oh, nevermind both the sockets are in use" and then you're waiting for someone to leave a table with a socket so you can plug in before your laptop or phone die.
But like you said, if you can manage to always have sockets available and don't mind the extra clutter/weight/ random inconveniences of bad battery life then your best bet is probably whatever is cheapest.
@@DirtyFiST69 makes total sense, i never game or edit videos unless im plugged in anyway, so even if I went ryzen personally, I would still be plugging in for any work id need to do. 2-3 hours battery for normal tasks usally works for me, especially since AMD is often out of stock in my area.
This is a very useful side by side comparison we need~ great job!
Thanks!
Interesting results. I was expecting less of the intel model. Thanks Jarrod!
Always answering questions I didn't know I had
Question from me
2:34 why is the GPU clock low in AMD Machine ?
And despite being higher clock in Ryzen, why it lose ?
@PennywiseTheDancingClowN ! yeah
Could be dynamic boost differences based on how the CPUs behave in that workload.
@@JarrodsTech but why is GPU clock a little lower in AMD model ?
To me money is not a problem.
the problem is to me are everything I want always " OUT OF STOCK "
When can I get the 5800H in a laptop? Oh never? ~sigh~ guess I'm looking at previous gen laptops still.
Lol, i want now or never that's how every company should stock.
@@andmicbro1 isn't there an asus scar model with 5900HX?
Can you help me 10 lakhs money I want buy a laptop
I just looked up this i7 10th gen refresh. It has increased clock speeds and the cache is now L3 = 16mb, instead of L2 = 4mb and L3 = 12mb form the old i7 10th gen. I also just recently found out that the new i5 10th gen finally has 6 cores.
Because i7-10750H has only 6 cores L3 = 12 Mb, and now i7 10875H has 8 cores L3 = 16 Mb.
My bet is that the inferior pcie is to blame in most gaming scenarios for ryzens loss. Good comparison :)
Intel optimized games are :-
Cyberpunk 2077
Battlefield 5
Watch dogs legion
If u have an Intel system then u already have edge over amd in these 3 games!
See, this is the respectable way to promote a head to head. Not "INTEL DESTROYS AMD1!1!"
Fanboys, follow your wallet. They're pretty much the same so cost is your deciding factor, not fanboism of a company that couldn't give 2 shits about you vs you're money.
8w extra with intel, and for the same price should pretty much be 10750h vs 5800h &10875h vs 5900h. The 5800h is quite low tier even used in the ＄999 nitro5（5800h+3060）
It's not the same at all if you plan on using your laptop as a laptop. One has quite a bit better battery life.
@@helloworld9996 As far as i'm concerned you can get away with comparing the 10875h to the 4900HS and they come away pretty much equal across the board. There's almost no need to even get into the 5000 series chips for comparison.
For me the battery life gain on AMD while not gaming is well worth the slight drop in gaming.
But this is good to know and I've seen very few youtubers key in on the fact that Intel is actually still the leader in gaming.
Not on desktop.
@@theexmann Ya, i'm talking about the context of the video that i'm commenting on. It's a laptop video.
@@josephgood2704 Understood. I'm just saying that I don't remember AMD saying they had the best gaming laptop CPU. They did claim that for desktop however.
@@theexmann I could not care any less what any company claims. I don't get why you are even mentioning it. It has absolutely nothing to do with anything talked about in this video and nothing that could possibly have to do with any products in this video.
You are reaching for some type of fanboy stuff to argue about. I simply don't care.
@@theexmann I've had both 10750h 2060 laptops and 4900hs 2060 laptops in the past year.
There is no way in hell I'd go back to a 10 series Intel chip.
I have bought dozens of products from both companies over the past 20 years. I don't care about brand, simply performance
For laptops AMD is on top regardless of FPS numbers. It's hardly a competition when you pull the power cord.
Damn I expected intel to be behind but good job to both teams giving us a lot of options!
👍
All that AMD marketing paying youtubers makes us all think that intel is worthless that's just not the case.
Intel's main issues is power efficiency. If you don't mind a shorter battery life then Intel isn't really that bad imo.
@@張彥暉-v8p I can't remember the last time I even used any of my three laptops on battery. A person really shouldn't be gaming off the battery anyway. On a lot of laptops you get gimped performance if it is battery power because it really needs the power from the wall to function at max levels.
@@bradbeyers9028 yea, def sad because most of the fanbase are entitled
It’s more than just FPS on why I prefer AMD personally. These fews fps make no differences literally and the higher performance on low is not really a big argument in my opinion. The way intel is priced and how less of optimization they did when they had no competition is more than enough for me to prefer AMD.
I think AMD is much more focused on what people want and Intel just releases what’s low in production cost and will bring in a margin for them.
Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s how I feel about it. anyways great video with good insight!
fanboy spotted
@@DodgerX most fanboys wouldn’t say they may be wrong
Nah your just a fanboy
Fanboy spottet... Wdym by "less of optimization"? This is my main reason for chosing Intel over AMD. Optimization. AMD is years behind Intel in that regard. Not just in games, but most applications. I’m a frequent user of Photoshop, Premiere and Unreal Engine, and Intel has a solid advantage in performance here.
I also use VR frequently, of which AMD still has lots of optimization issues.
Intel wins hands down in the PC game of things, while AMD has a hand on consoles. That’s the way I see it.
Although i know that i am not a fanboy i choose whatever i like and feel there will be a benifit for me, which gives more performance for cheaper, i wanted to buy a laptop with minimum 6 core and 6gb of vram, there were a few options with omen 15, g5 se, msi gf65 the cheapest one was g5 with 4600h and 5600m which meets my requirement if msi gf65 was cheaper than g5 with 9750h and 1660ti but it was $200more expensive in my country so instead i got this one bcs one was $100 expensive too with 4600h and 1660ti
I think the difference are indeed produced by the PCIe lanes, I can’t understand why AMD only left 8 for the GPU
I hated when he brought that up. I've been looking for a true "only difference is the chip in the socket" comparison, and this laptop came the closest of any I've seen, but still fell critically short.
Is AMD responsible, or is it the maker of the motherboard/laptop that hindered the chip that way?
i just thinking is come from ryzen design itself which is filled the space with cpu related to gain high performance. and series 5000 used little space from refined 7 nm TSCM to gain for. we should just skipped ryzen 3, and waiting for 5nm ryzen 4.
A processor based on the same microarchitecture as the old 6700HQ is beating the newly designed Zen 3. That's just incredible. I'm really excited for the TGL H45.
I dont know why maybe becuse amd stuck with 8 lanes pcie or games dont give a fuck with cpu IPC only care with cpu clockspeed
@@mrbobgamingmemes9558 Clock speed and IPC are cross linked.
@@ishkaranbrar313 maybe you can explain why intel 10 th gen winning in games despite single core performance defeated by amd ? I cannot understand honestly that why i said maybe in previous comment
@@mrbobgamingmemes9558 5800H is faster than a 10870H but loses to 10875H. I think it's down to the fact the ryzen 5000 has 8 PCIe connections and the intel has 16. But my friend disagrees. It's a complex conclusion. Need more testing. We'll see how tiger lake does because that's supposed to get 20 PCIe Gen 4 lanes. If that would be much faster than both of the 5000 and 10th gen then it's down to PCIe connections.
@@ishkaranbrar313 maybe that 8 pcie lanes is the only stuff thaf mess up ryzen gaming pe4formance
Does the amd version of xmg use liquid metal as the Intel version does. As if not could get more performance out of the amd processor possibly 🤷
Damn that’s true
Neither of mine had liquid metal. The Intel model did not, as it's not a production model they plan on selling
Jarrod uploaded this at 9:01pm 12th March 2021 in Australia
5am for east coast US and I have class at 7:30am 🙃
@@dkb2k lol
@Tiende Pamodzi nah nah yeah nah
About 3.30 p.m. here in India. Got college assignments to do,why am I here? (sigh)
Im looking on my minimap but I can't find who asked
I'm super stoked that you're getting more sponsors, Jarrod. Congratulations!
Thanks!
Finally someone looked into why my Aorus 105w 3070 was beating the Asus 130w 3070s. I didnt even think of the PCI lanes.
So the PCie is real bottleneck?
5900hx does have 16 PCIe lanes right? So that would remove possible bottlenecks, plus the 4.5% increase in clock speeds would beat 10875h pretty handily?
I would imagine so, with only 8PCIe 3.0 lanes it seems to hurt performance a bit when the CPU has to push more data due to higher framerates.
It only has 8x PCIe 3.0 lanes dedicated to the GPU, and 4+4 PCIe 3.0 lanes for storage which makes it a total of 16 PCIe 3.0 lanes.
So intel is still ahead in gaming, even before their incoming next gen cpus. Interesting.
I'm keen to see how 6 and 8 core tigerlake does!
In laptops btw not in PC
@@shauryaswaraj This is a laptops channel.
@@ishkaranbrar313 well yeah 😥
@@ishkaranbrar313 not really since jarrod sometimes doing desktop components review
Interesting. From what I see with my i9/ 2070 super i see about 7 to 10% gain with the 5800H/3070. Pretty disappointing. Great video!
Thanks! I guess difficult to fairly compare with different GPU 🤔
Lmaaaaaooo. I was actually thinking about whether to buy a lenovo legion 5 with an intel or amd cpu.
@@tranquility6789 Intel laptops are usually more expensive compared to AMD laptops, and the extra 5% boost in performance isn't worth an extra 100 or 200 bucks.
If you're just gaming seems like you can't go too wrong either way, but Ryzen for battery/productivity.
@@tranquility6789 no dude... he had a typo...
@@jasondmello428 i did
I'm not too tech savvy too.
There is a LTT video that proves my point I’m about to make. AMD laptops are using x16 memory modules which are 20% slower than x8 in gaming benchmarks, if you swap out the memory using x8 into the amd laptop, amd laptop would be faster... Don't know why laptop manufacturers are doing this to AMD laptops. Sounds like an intel conspiracy.
This comparison was so much better than hw unboxed's benchmarks as you have same 2 laptops of same two sizes + ryzen 7 vs intel i7..thats apples to apples
True ! But you must think reality ! Not all of us will go out there and buy just only this brand ! There are so many laptops out there got their design so much better than Clevo ! Not only for performance ! THink about it !
@@phatminhphan4121 from here we know what's performance is what....so we can buy depending which one is cheaper..like in my country intel one is you can say only available + cheaper ..ryzen stock out..
Surely though this isn’t based on price. Atleast here in the UK for your money the comparison should be with the 5900 series when comparing with the 10875H. Considering you get a 5900hs for £2000 with a 3070 in the form of an ASU’s g15
So in conclusion: That Pcie x8 is indeed a bottleneck. last year's choice to max out amd 4000 series to rtx2060 was not intentional. And it appears that this bottleneck also apply in 5000 series as well. So ryzen 5000 should still be paired with rtx 3060 or lower gpus then.
No.... he’s using a 5800H not X. you can pair a 5000x cpu with any high end gpu. If you had a 5950x with a rtx 3090 there would be no bottleneck. I have a 5800x with a 3060 ti and no bottleneck
@@mister-pinkman we are talking about laptops here. mobile ryzen is bottlenecked in gaming because of that Pcie x8 instead of x16.
@@sensibleplayer ok I just didn’t want anyone to see the comment and associate it with desktops as wel
I bought my laptop after watching your video. Your videos are so precise and cleared all my doubts without even asking. Thank you and i am enjoying my 8 month old ryzen 4800H
Which laptop you bought?
Shouldn't the i7 10875H be compared to R9 5900X? I mean, I'd expect the R7 5800H to be compared to something like the i7 10870H (both are lower bins).
The 5900X is a desktop CPU. I think you mean the 5900H. Even then, the 5900H is more comparable to i9s rather than i7.
Really cool to see, was leaning towards getting a Ryzen 5000 laptop later in the year, but a 6/8 core tiger lake laptop might not seem like a bad alternative considering gaming is my focus - guess it'll come down to price and availability. Thanks for the insight, Jarrod
It's not like all retailers sell at the same prices around the world. I really don't get people trying to force their options to others.
No problem!
I actually wanted to go for an AMD laptop but literally all AMD laptops (5000 series) are all out of stock in a blink of an eye
If all you care about gaming and spend then year you better off with the new Intel 4 core that had a very high base frequency. Butnif you want a laptop that manages temp, voltage better battery life and multi core performance then ryzen is the only choice.
When will you be reviewing the new Legion 5? I'm interested in seeing how it compares to last year.
its not really a fair comparison, price wise I7 10875h is similar to Ryzen 9 5900h more then Ryzen 7 , a fair comparison to Ryzen 7 5800 is 6 core I7 10750h
You do some good work Jarrod, but please just talk a bit about price. 10875h chips are often more expensive than AMD chips (maybe because they require better cooling solution?)...
Forget fps...the real question is who beats who in having things at msrp in stock...
If they both have the same battery and TDP configurations, why is the AMD lasting longer on battery?
lol, both will boost higher than their TDP, but intel TDP is more like a joke, since their 45w CPU can boost up to 90w, if the cooling can handle it.
Damn video is so info packed. Thanks for the hardwork Jarrod.
nice video, excellent stuff. And grateful for the polished comparison plots. One suggestion with the stack plots, you could include either the fold-change or % change to the right of the bars. It would make it easier to understand/see the difference between the fps with the plotted raw data. While you do add these data in the summary plots which is nice, it would be nicer to have it and see it with the stack plots. Also this would save some time or allow for other info to be added in place of it, etc. Love the In Flames shirt. Good music.
THE BEST UNDER THE HOOD CHANNEL FOR TECH. NOBODY PUTS IN OR COVERS AS MUCH AS JARROD.
Do we have estimates when can we see new intel 11 gen processors here on channel ?
Probably when all the 10th gen RTX laptops sell out
You should have spent time looking at the 1% lows in more detail. Intel having much higher in a lot of cases. Higher the 1% low, the smother the game is going to feel.
I would have done a graph comparing 1% lows along with averages, however I don't have 1% low data for all the games tested
@Jarrod, one request, in any of the games where Intel has a good lead, can you check how much power is actually getting pushed to the Intel and the AMD laptop respectively? Eluktronics / XMG Neo has a habit of pushing less power to AMD CPUs compared to Intel models which can cause CPU bottleneck. If you compare your review of Rp-15 with 4800H and RTX 2060 110W (electro Boost) and Lenovo Legion 5 with 4800H and GTX 1660 Ti, Legion 5 was actually beating that 110W RTX 2060 in ELuktronics RP-15 in lot of cases.
It's good that Intel can still fight back. We have seen the recent improvements over the latest years since ryzen appeared.
I don't have an XMG (When are they coming to the UK?) but I do have an Asus Strix G15 with the Ryzen 7 5800H and an RTX 3070 and I was super impressed with battery life, playing WoW on low settings 1080p and capped at 30fps for level grinding I'm getting around 5 hours.
and what about 5900h as a "top" amd cpu vs this top intel cpu
Maybe I'll do that in future, only just got one.
is that any avaible amd systen with same pcie lanes like intel from other manufacture?
Also, the "top" AMD laptop CPU is supposed to be the 5980hx, not the 5900hx but there is no laptop with this CPU at this time...
I have the same system as the intel with the 10875H and 3070 QHD but my results are lower for some reason, did you use the benchmark that comes with the game? Also in the graphics settings did you have advanced settings locked or unlocked? If unlocked was everything on there in ultra too cause that just cripples my system.
How about the TAA, FXAA and MSAA, did you have them all maxed too?
Curious to find find out why mine isn't having similar results.
Great video by the way.
The only assumptions that I had heard were that Intel was leading in games on laptops and it looks like they barely are. For me when they are this close price is much more important but prices are really weird right now. Whatever the case, good job as always!
10+ FPS not barely
@@thamara2130 Yes barely considering all the variables that go into these averages and what ones use case is.
im not a fanboy of any company, and i suggest everyone should buy what they linke and prefer for their budget!! respect both the sides
No
Thanks for the great video, Jarrod. It is good to see that they are close. I hope Intel 11th gen CPUs will have a better battery life and thermals. Competition among manufacturers is good for customers.
Acknowledge that cooling systems/heatpipes were different but anything about temps?
to me these results are basically equal, so AMD is better for me as I don't game as much as I do production workloads. good video!
Holy crap your channel grew a lot over the last year. Very well deserved I must say 👏
You didnt stress again that the AMD runs 10 degree cooler on average. That is the last drop. Intel has become weak for years now.
I've been waiting this video since I heard 5800H was disadvantaged in gaming. I was considering going for Intel model but I worried it would be higher-priced. Thank you for sharing the price difference on the two, exactly what I need to make my mind. Awesome Job Jarrod!
What you getting then
Finally, I'm so tired of people saying "No AMD, No buy"
When you see last gen keeping up or being better than the latest AMD, it shows that both have their strengths and weaknesses
You should actually look up these new "10th gen" intel cpus. They are kind of a refresh to keep up with AMD that's why they trade blows. Even the naming is different so it's not that hard to notice.
FunFact: AMD Fanboys are entitles
Amd is cheaper tho and better for battery. I would buy AMD any time over intel if it is possible. But my laptop I want to buy is only with Intel, still gonna buy it. But overall I think Amd is much better right now.
@@runek100 Had the same situation buying my Legion. Could only get it with an intel chip. Only use it for gaming anyway so this video was quite reassuring
@@leonflorence118 ye, I also want to buy legion, I want 7 slim and it is only with intel in my country. I dont want it only for gaming, so amd would be much better, but I am glad it has at least good performance in games.
wonderful review. did you measure the power consumption and temperatures of the system, if so please add them as well
45% better battery life makes this an objective win for the Ryzen version even if productivity doesn't matter to you. If you're that hellbent on gaming superiority, build or buy a desktop. Oh, you want gaming superiority and portability? Your favourite new AAA games are not gonna be played at low settings and e-sports games will perform similarly. Then move on to watching your favourite TV series and Jarrod's Tech video marathons without worrying about charging as much. Unless you're the one weirdo that plays absolutely every new game at 720p low settings on an expensive laptop, go Ryzen, wait for 8 core Tiger Lake or buy a desktop.
Did the CPUs thermal throttle during the gaming tests? And what were the average clocks?
Very cool Jarrod, keep up the good work!
Thanks!
The amount of work out into this is impressive. Appreciate the dedication!
Thanks!
I think I'll be waiting for Intel 11th Gen for laptop, hoping they won't be as disappointing as the desktop counterpart which is still using 14nm fabrication.
Mobile 11th gen already out
@@monkeslayer-km5ho 11 gen 45w 6/8 core isn't.
@@張彥暉-v8p h45?
@@monkeslayer-km5ho Yes, the H45 cpu.
I don't expect intel to beat amd in this gen but the 45w 10nm cpu should be more power efficient than the previous gen.
@@張彥暉-v8p you mean H35?
From my perspective:
- If you just want to game Intel is better because of better performance in games + you can easily undervolt the cpu for better thermals than AMD. I personally use an i7 10750h (6 cores vs 8 cores ryzen 5800) and RTX 3070 (130w vs 140 in video) and i got 126 fps on highest settings with only 6 cores and lower power gpu. For gaming Intel is the way to go.
- If you are a student AMD will fit better for your needs as of better battery life, better performance in editing software and still excelent gaming results.
I know I said this already, but when comparing CPU's, how about testing with CPU heavy games like Total War Three Kingdoms. Or any Total War game for that matter.
After looking at hardware unboxed video, I wonder if the 10870H is decently slower or the 5900HX has a noticeable gaming improvement
There is only a 100MHz difference between 10870H and 10875H so probably not that, wouldn't even hit that outside of brief boosts most likely. I'm working on a 5800H and 5900HX comparison at the moment so that might shed some light there, but yeah also other differences in the memory and rebar.
so, does this mean that the myth around "games being developed for intel" true?
I mean, the ryzen has a lot of power to flex.
You buy benchmarks, you get benchmarks.
@@a.andrei5826 at this point i dont even know what to buy🥺
@@simeonnischith6075 buy whatever is cheaper and has decent service
@@pyramidschemer4083 i want a machine with Maximum performance for my money and good battery of atleast 6hrs on normal workload and good keyboard and good brightness screen
@@simeonnischith6075 Zephyrus g15.
You just earned a subscriber..... the effort you put in your videos is just 🔥🔥🔥... keep it up.... just learned so much from this and the other cpu productive comparision video.... thanks for all this effort....
is ryzen 5000 laptop really zen 3? look like zen 2 to me
It is.
This one is nice bro. Many people were looking at exactly these two CPUs to choose from.. Well done. 😃😃
On a side note press Windows Key + period (dot) to bring up Windows internal emoji keyboard. .. Cheers....☺☺😁
❤ Never knew. Thank you.
Tbh it's the mid-range where Ryzen wins over Intel. Ryzen 5 4600H is a much sweeter deal than the i5 10300H.
@@TabalugaDragon nah the yield for 10500H is tooo less. 10300H is the MOST common one.
I bought an intel laptop recently and glad to see I didn't get burned. I only game and do 0 productivity task so glad to see I didn't miss out on gaming performance.
2.98% faster than amd... I cry eery tim. I will wipe my tears with the spare cash from the $150 price difference
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What price difference? Where can I buy the Ryzen legion for a 150 less than the intel one?
@@ishkaranbrar313 Travel around the world, and you will find plenty of countries where it's cheaper. The point is, there is no universal choice, and those two versions are roughly the same (in gaming, but AMD is still superior in virtually anything else).
So if Intel is cheaper in your country, you might as well get Intel. But otherwise it's probably best to get AMD.
@@Derael He said it like if it's a universal fact. I see no difference in the Scar 17 and GE76's price. Anyway it's not fair to compare Ryzen 5000 to the 10th gen. They said 11th gen is coming this month.
@@ishkaranbrar313 I don't think he said it like a universal fact. He literally said that's something he can do. He doesn't need to be aware of the pricing situation outside of his country.
And yes, it's perfectly fair to compare current Ryzen generation with current Intel generation, especially if Ryzen is cheaper in his country. There is always a product released earlier and the product released later, what matters is what is available right now for comparison. When 11th gen comes, it would be fair to compare it with Ryzen 5000, but until then 10th gen is the best Intel can offer.
Are there 2 versions of the latest 2021 mobile processors of AMD?
I'm confused here, what is the difference of the the Ryzen 9 5800H vs the Ryzen 7 5800H?
ok so intel is ahead about 5% in gaming but amd is ahead in everything else?
Check the lows.
Also that "everything else" is complete nonsense. I can name 10 workloads where amd does piss poor compared to intels.
I do not really care about blue, red or green I do not shill for Corporations.
But, lets face facts, games are optimised mostly for Intel processors, thats a fact yeah some do AMD but Intel has been in the lead for 6+ years at least in gaming and obviously game developers would want to optimise for what most people have in their computers, intel.
AMD only beats Intel in gaming when AMD is brute forcing its way, usually a huge lead in other non-gaming tasks. But interesting to see non the less, great work as usual.
I7-10875 laptops are way more expensive then the 7 5800H , the difference is that much different plus that ryzen is better for the price to performance ratio
Interesting to see that a 3070 mobile GPU is even able to create a CPU bottleneck at 1440p. I seem to remember Steve from Hardware Unboxed showing that at 1440p Ultra most games are GPU bound before CPU bound and that's with the higher performance desktop versions of graphics cards.
looks like AMD got way more better battery life than intel
Hi Jarrod; will you test new zephyrus g14 soon?... I'd like to see how much r9 model with 3060 is better than a 2060 you tested earlier. Tnx and keep up with great job 👋👍
After the hype AMD processors are being selled at higher prices.
Yea, in India 5900 X should be around 50k to 55k max, but it's selling on 75k.
Almost 50℅ more expensive than actual price. Intel i9 10k is sold for 49,999. Now, intel is better priced for the horse power they produce.
New ryzen chips are 20℅ faster than comparative intel chips.
You get 20℅ more performance with 50℅ more price. Also, intel are easily available.
But I like AMD more, so I'll wait for some time till prices come down to their original intended price.
@@milanpaudel9624 The price of AMD is probably inflated due to the current chip shortage on 7nm TSMC node and scalpers buying out the stock...
I ditched my 4800H gaming laptop for an 10875H variant last year. Best decision ever. Glad to see 10875H still holds up.
AMD more efficient, but really f**k their undervolting/oc non-existent laptop software.
To be fair, Intel undervolting is pretty non existent these days too. Most 10th gen laptops have disabled this in BIOS updates to mitigate plundervolt, of course it depends on the specific machine, but from the amount I've tested I no longer view it as an edge for Intel.
@@JarrodsTech True. I no longer have undervolting for my 10875H (apart from the -80mV from bios). Yet idk, i really could not get over that 4800H being noisy when it shouldn't.
Well I’ve never seen variant models separated with Intel and AMD. That is kinda a new thing.
I am really confused between two laptops, One from Dell and one from Lenovo, Lenovo Legion 5 with Ryzen 7 5800h and RTX 3060 130W or Dell G15 5510 with i7-10870H RTX 3060 90W
Trying to figure out out how hes getting such high frame rates in watch dogs legion. i have a 3080 m17 r4 and when he averages over 100fps on high settings, im averaging just around 70-75fps and hes getting this on a 3070. and yes i have optimus disabled.
Your 3080 may have low tdp, xmg laptops tdp is max.
@@RobIn-ky4uz alienware have 150w + 15w for the 3080. most you can have for a 3080 mobile card at the moment
@@icesick06 then maybe it is throttling? Is it just WD Legion? Are other games comparable?
Thank you for this! I wonder if you are able or would like to do this same kind of comparison but with desktop processors? My preference would be to see AMD's 5800X vs the equivalent Intel CPU.
Why has amd gimped them selves only using half the lanes?
They had better multicore performance, finally took single core but it's for nothing if in reality they still can't beat what's going to be intels last gen.
It takes package space for a bigger PCIE lane bus and controller. Considering the difference is miniscule, (productivity wise- a CPU+GPU workload with PCIE lanes the difference would be even less than gaming), AMD decided to save money on manufacturing by doing this. I think they made a smart choice. Running less PCIE lanes also improves battery life.
@@aadavanelangovan1630 thanks for the reply.
Great test. I'm on the fence whether or not I'll replace my current laptop with an AMD or Intel model, but the 11th generation Intel CPUs may be enticing if their battery life is improved.
everyone: intel vs amd
me: i think the gpu is good
Honestly the bigger issue is stock for example I recently preordered the Prometheus 17.3 laptop from Eluktronics and I will be lucky to even get it by April or even March because I tried getting a Zephyrus Duo or an MSI GE76 but nobody has them except scalpers at horrendous prices $5000+ so it’s best to not be picky and buy whatever is available that suits your needs