Mac Studio vs 2019 Mac Pro - Apple Sucks!!
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- Опубліковано 23 чер 2024
- World's most practical comparison between Mac Studio & Pro for creators and the exact specs for your next Mac.
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In this video, I will take you through the most practical comparison between Mac Studio and the 2019 Mac Pro. We will then build the ultimate machine you need for your money.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Beginning
00:08 Video Agenda
00:41 My 2019 Mac Pro and Mac Studio configurations
2:26 Free Training
2:54 h264 Performance
5:12 Raw Performance
6:13 Magic Mask
6:57 Memory Performance
8:22 Mac Pro causing $900+ Electric Bill
8:49 Fusion FX
10:04 Depth Map
11:41 SSD Performance
13:27 Stress Test
15:13 Export Performance
15:45 Practicality
16:10 Is M Chip better than Intel?
16:23 Best Specs for YOU
17:17 Conclusion
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Hi, really interesting to see a proper professional view. The saving in electricity would practically pay for it in a year. Thanks for this.
Ty and 💯
Glad to see you finally come around on the MacStudio! It’s the best computer for the $$$ that Apple has built in decades. Bar none! I remember you had some hesitation about it because another UA-camr didn’t like it. The young guy that did some videos on your channel. I’ve only had great experiences with mine. Still using it with an OWC Thunderbolt solution. Works like a charm 👌 and definitely move away from Intel. That’s a no brainer. Even sold my Intel stock. I wish I had put that money 💰 in ARM!!! 😂
Great breakdown Qazi! 👏👏👏
This is one of the best tech/pro videos I've seen on YT.
Ty bro
Amazing how a real profesional can explain the best for the beginners! Thanks for your time!
thank you, Qazi. You´re the best!
Thanks for video ❤
Thanks, bro.. I have learned so much from your chanel.. Now I and some of my friend run a small color grading company in bangladesh.. Love you so much bro.. I also reffer my students to watch your chanel..
Love to hear it. Keep going bro. 💪🏽
😎 Qazi Keep up the Great Work
Nice. The most practical package all around.
This mirrors what I saw with my 24 core 2019 Intel Mac Pro vs my M1 Ultra Studio. The differences here are even more noticeable. It’s nice to see real world use and examples. Not just how fast does it export. Such a great and useful video.
Kinda crazy, huh. Happy you switched and ty for the love.
Thank you for the great video as always. In your experience, would it make sense to invest to a new mac studio, taking in consideration that it is not upgradable AFAIK, when with the same amount of money I could buy a Threadripper pro with 2 or 3 RTX4090? I'm asking personally for myself as I'm doing Editing and VFX Creation.
Many thanks for any info. Keep up the great work!!
Thank you this was dope
You're welcome.
Awesome & Thanks :)
wow that was helpful! i would like to see this same exact testing with a maxed out macbook pro 2023 m2 😅
Great review, got the M1Max, gonna upgrade to M3 Ultra later this year and hopefully pro display XDR 2
Ty and do it. 💪🏽
amazing video and very good explanation🔥 the Apple M-chip so far is the best for editing
Ty and very true.
Now that's a damn UA-cam video!
Beautiful!
Thank You!
You're welcome. 😀
Bro you must be psychic. I'm in the market for buying a new editing computers so I can get back into swing of things. Now here you are dropping these gems on us. Thank you my brother. I really needed this.
Haha. Let's go! Dm me on IG what you end up with.
@@theqazman Yes sir. 👍🏾
you are the man … Qazman
Great video, thank you! I’ve been thinking about switching from my 2019 tower, but not sure if I want to go for the new tower Mac Pro vs Mac Studio. Are you finding that the TB ports provide enough I/O speed for everything you need to do? Internal SSD raids were my main hang up, but you make a good point that 3000MB/s is probably enough. What about resolve monitor card?
more than enough speed. tb4 is fast af. Go with the studio.
very useful! will replace my intel iMac to maybe mac studio m3 next year
Ty bro. You should. 💯
Exactly the question i was wanting to answer. Just how good are the M devices compared to dedicated GPU.
I also noticed that my current build doesn't heat the room anything like older computers. I'm on a windows machine i built just for video and it was budget compared to these.
Great work though. Loving your channel.
Wake up! A new Qazi video dropped!
Let's get it. 💪🏽
how are you connecting to a video I/O card like a decklink 4K / 8K? how is this connected to the Mac studio?
via a Thunderbolt cable to a Ultrastudio 4K
What did you mean “online drive” at the end of the video talking about the external drive? Is that the drive you will export to or the drive holding your footage?
The drive you work off of.
You have 1 Mac pro, I have 3!! Terrific little demo, food for thought especially with the M3 on the horizon. We used Linux, Windows, then to Mac through the GPU shortages and now it's time to make another decision. You're right about one thing the Mac Pro systems... even maxed out... which we have, truly struggle with all of the areas that you highlighted and if Apple was able to sort out their networking problems would be a no-brainer.
Bro cen u explain amd or intel for color grade and editing pls..
Brilliant.
So you use your Glyph to store your project assets and use your Macs internal drive for the cache. I have heard different things like should you use you internal drive to store your project assets or not or should you have a seperate cache drive? I currently use a glyph for all my project assets and another 2TB ssd that I use for all my cache files. Do you have an opinion on which you would prefer? Also curious if you are setting your cache to your internal drive what is it using the RAM for? If you have a large project and you have your optimized video set to 422 couldnt those files easily take up your 192GB of RAM or I'm assuming those are going to your 1.25 TB of cache on your internal drive. Sorry its co complicated but it is a complex topic.
using internal drive for cache is not advised, as writing data will reduce the life of SSD. And the fact that you can't replace the internal SSD that is soldered to the board. It's better to have separate external disks if possible. 1.projects 2. assets 3. cache. Depending on your need for speed and scale, you can use 3 or all in one disk is fine too, as today's SSDs are really fast. Basically keep the cache on separate disk, as that is the most written disk. rest as per your convenience.
Ok great what you explained was my understanding as well. He just discussed using a different meathod so I was curious. Where would you keep your database, on the projects drive I'm assuming. Qasi talks a lot about putting it on a raid drive which for me I only use to dump archives or projects onto using an archival database for each year. I can edit off my raid since most of them arent as fast as an SSD
@@sanaksanandan
@@billycrowe4501 You can keep the database in default location, on macOS drive. But, remember to take regular backups. If you change the location to projects drive, then all projects( including sound, photoshop etc) will be on same drive. Easy to backup. Either way, no difference in performance, ( OS loads first, and then you open the project), and storage, (database files are small ). Do as you wish. Best setup is, 1.OS(ssd), 2. Projects(ssd), 3. Assets/Media(hdd raid), and 4. Cache(fast nvme or ssd). Well organised and easy to backup.
Talk about acescg please
I have camera that support 10bit in 3 way standard d log and hlg
I am playing with colors with hlg footage but after export to quicktime h264 nvidia and main 10 original file is 5.3 gb when rendered file is 1.3gb . 8bit footage is bigger
Whats wrong ?
Please make a video on basic node pattern for beginners 😔 watching so many videos can me só overwhelming 😖 can’t I just focus on a particular structure?
That electric bill is crazy! Super interesting insights. I upgraded to the M1 Studio from an older iMac Pro and the difference is insane with the M1 chip.
Seriously! That's awesome.
My macpro 1,2 was being my nas and backup until I realised just how much electricity it was using being on 24/7 😳
@@MePeterNichollsThey are so power hungry compared to the M1 M2
Hey, why not get a professional pc built specifically for davinci resolve?
Mind blowing 🫡
😀
red scooter looks sick. lol
Haha. Ty
Thast Nice ♥🔥
Computer hardware doesn't age too well, so it probably goes to show that you shouldn't pay an insane astronomical amount for a system that will be surpassed pretty handily by lower end hardware in a couple years.
Can you compare the mc studio maxed out with the latest 14th gen intel i9 maxed with 4090? since Intel has also gone I think that's when we can see the real difference between a mac machine and an intel machine. I want to see how good or bad apple silicon is when handling heavy work flow. Intel has gone to the 4 nm world so they are really efficient now.
Just picked up a maxed out PC rig. I will.
How’s the 14900k build
Coming along?
Love it!! The ultimate gaming machine. Having a blast.
@@theqazman what about video editing? Better than your studio ? 🤓
Really ridiculous how $22,000+ still doesn’t get you to scrub through footage with no lag 🤦🏽♂️
1:19 the another goes hard 😂
Ayyyy. Haha.
ipowerresale have the 2019 for $2,700USD with 96gb. 2tb, 580X ~ new, x/meta fb mass buy sold still in boxs with full apple warranty, makes used sale prices even worse now! With the M4 only 6 months away now, we may not even see a M3 Max/Ultra Studio as the M3 doesnt have the edge connector for ULTRA config and apple has to redo the layout for the M4, but the M3 was just a striaght swap to the slightly upgraded process. So xmas 2024/25 is going to be another BIG upgrade cycle!
ps... 10G connection is limiting on Studio version.
I know the Mac Studio wins with h.265/HEVC 4:2:2 10-bit S-LOG for example, BUT, > is there a way to work with that footage on the Mac Pro without encoding to ProRes or h.264? In my experience there was NO WAY to do it - which makes working on the Mac Studio so much easier.
this rather shows that how ridiculously expensive the Mac Pro was. You could have the same PC for quarter of the price.
The Max Studio is awesome, i'll get the M3 Max :)
You'll love it. Congrats in advance.
If Apple had gone AMD TR 3k, 5K or better, this would have been a breeze. But they did not want to get fckd by nVidia and Intel. The WS Xeons in Mac Pro are from late 2018 in reality and they are really bad at this Workload.
AMD VEGA Series did not have REDCODE RAW gpu decompression in Resolve (should not have it now either). VEGA was also not that good at Video decode. There was a time it beat nVidias Titan X to the punch. That was 2016.
The Xeon also is too slow on single cores. Whenever there is a workload with interframe compression, effects get extremely hard on the playback speed if not fed with enough dependend frames (b, p frames)
Love when a processional user reviews software over when reviewer reviews.
Export to ProRes was a bad example for a standalone test. M3 Ultra has ASICs for ProRes DE/ENCODE; The old MAC PRO 2019 is seemingly not using the Fusion Accelerator in this case
I'm showing a real world scenerio not a made up one. This is my workflow and Intel fails hard in that instant.
Just followed your Free Course just yet and there should be 'FREE DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT: PRACTICE FOOTAGE, POWERGRADES, & MY LUTS!!' but where ??
And thanks for the info, I am happy with my MacStudio Ultra
Dm me on IG
Omg….why didn’t you wait for the m3 ultra …won’t it be coming soon ?
Supposed to come mid June
@@scottmh that is soon 🤓
Not soon enough!! The release dates have been consistent cycles since the release of the M1, so hopes are high!@@SuperMachead1
I'll sell and get that when it's out. In the meantime work needs to be done.
switching from intel/amd != switching from a mac pro for the following 2 reasons:
Most intel/AMD users (non-Apple) have much newer and more performant hardware than anything Apple allowed.
It cost a LOT less than paying the Apple tax.
One question, why on earth were you grading and outputting to 264 then using prores? Both are lossy formats so you are compounding compression on compression, why not use Avid formats for mastering?
MacPro
the Xeon-W is an old chip (released ~6months into 2019) based on an even older architecture from 2014 (refresh ~2017) so you are looking at something that on a par-to par basis would probably chew double the wattage of a modern CPU for 1/10 - 1/4 the performance of one of the newer cpus but bigger than that is the CPU die size which is 14nm vs the m series of 5nm so power consumption will be way lower on the m,
Xeons are good for stability and larger amounts of RAM, but their raw performance isn't usually as good as the equivalent i9/i7 for raw performance, let alone a multi-cpu system from AMD or AMD's equivalent Epyc.
You have a lot of RAM potenitally slowing your system down (as it has to address more, reads and writes will get slower) ECC is nice, but typically it also doesn't run as fast. The newer M series Apples do not use ECC RAM
Radeon Pro Vega - These are 3d cards primarily, maybe for editing it would have been better to grab a dedicated video encode/decode cards + 1 one of these, but I suspect Apple do not support most of the dedicated video encoding cards nor support mix-n-matching cards.
1TB ssd is pretty small even for ~2019
There is also the lack of PCI channels on the Mac Pro, so you have 2 pci 16x video cards, a pci addin card for ssds (that will take a 16x lane if available) and a local ssd (that should take 1), Apple typically only have 2 16x pci lanes (XEON supports a lot more but also depends on the motherboard handling it), so when you overload the channels they split it, so now both video cards have half their bandwidth available as they are running at 8x, the pci ssd card is now running at 8x or 4x which limits it's bandwidth (prolly why your mac pro's ssd speed is so slow) and your local ssd is now also running at 1/2 the bandwidth.
So overall in current value you are looking at around a $6-7k (AUD) system which equates to $4549 USD for brand new parts in today's values but because of the way it has been set up, it's performance is gimped.
tbh I wouldn't bother paying that for the vega II radeons as they got hammered by the 3070 ti architecture (operating at ~2/3 the performance for a LOT less), but again you had little choice here.
The extras from OWC are about the right price for expensive mid-tier ECC.
The 970 EVO ssds you got are not great (the evo 970s and 980s specifically) as they have been shown to have weird speed issues depending on batch (controllers were swapped out etc.), but they do the job ok but are a bit slow on avg. (they will run full speed for a bit, then slow down for no apparent reason even when doing full copies)
But the systems are not equivalent, you are using ecc ram on the mac pro, so if there is a memory corruption it should (OS willing) be able to correct gracefully.
RedRaw is a codec supported by the M series Apples in it's accelerators AFAIK (like a LUT for the math to transcode), but is unsupported on the Vega II architecture.
I agree completely, get a tb3/tb4/usb4 drive, you can also get enclosures that mean you can swap out the NVME m.2. pci ssds in a single enclosure and edit directly form that drive (I use 1 drive for my BM camera and edit directly from the drive).
So yes, the M-series will be much better for video editing, and will be worth it particularly for someone on the older macs. As it is a SOC, the RAM is up there with DDR6 speeds and the SSD has a huge bandwidth to the CPU (it's limited by the ssd die they are using). It will be much better value for several reasons but mostly because it is not getting in it's own way and has built in acceleration just for video editing, 3d however it falls over massively struggling with simple vertices transformations and your older mac pro should do that better (houdini) maya and autodesk started adding vertices culling to speed it up on m1 but it's still pretty poor.
I have 28 Core, 512GB RAM, 33TB of storage (1 internal, the rest on PCIe SSD,) two 5700 graphic cards (64GB), an A/B (audio) monitor reference, and one set of three-way 10inch drivers (large amp). One set is 8 inches near field (another amp) plus rackmount gear, etc... In a 5-BD / 4 bath house, and there is NO WAY our hydro is more than $350 a month. And I'm in Canada... We pay $0.30 more per kWh than you...if this is real, you had a faulty Mac Pro or something… I have both as well. Studio and the Intel Pro... It's more topped up, but the same nonetheless. Yes, the studio is fantastic… But I’m stuck on the question, "How do I have more amps, etc, running with a higher price point and assuming your house is roughly the same... unless it's ten rooms?” How is this possible?
Yo haciendo el test desde mi imac 5K last versión 2015. :')
I got the M2 Ultra with 128gb ram, 1TB drive and however many gpu it has.
Great choice.
Wasn't the top tiered Mac Pro something bonkers around $60,000? I think it's too bad Apple unnecessarily "paused" the adult-size 27" iMac to detour the market into needing *two* products instead of one: Machine and Screen. Now sold separately! Bringing your own monitor is one advantage for power users I suppose. My prediction: Apple with emerge within several seasons to announce the reintroduction of the actual iMac, this time with HDR as well as something superior, such as ProMotion (to ask for the very least!) We'll all be very impressed. But c'mon there's no reason why what now comprises the innards of a Studio couldn't have been rendered into an iMac. Like, Mac Studio + Studio Display = iMac.
This video was great.
Been daily driving Macs for over 20 years but even I can't understand why Qazi wouldn't want to build out a PC for a professional rig like his. Latest Intel or AMD CPU with 4090 and a boat load of NVME + and latest RAM would destroy the Mac Studio in every department apart from portability, and be cheaper. File compatibility between OS's shouldn't be an issue with Davinci either. OS preference also isn't a big deal if all you're doing is using one or two professional software. What could be the reason for this?
Appreciate the suggestion. I started with a Hackintosh since that's all I could've afford back then. Had an absolutely horrendous experience. Then had an iMac but it just didn't have the juice I needed. Went back to full PC build but this time I didn't hold back. Maxed out machine back in 2014.
Resolve and Windows just don't have the same marriage as the OSX and DR. I will pay any price for reliability and that's what I get with Mac for my use case scenario.
Not to mention I'm way too integrated into the ecosystem to make a switch.
I still would love to build a gaming PC one day. 😀
I have a super beefy PC that a friend custom built for me but Windows' infrastructure is just slower than Mac's, and I've noticed my Macbook Air can do some things faster than my muscle machine. I wouldn't do a PC again...unless I am again really strapped for cash.
AMD based set-up is good for raw power which is needed in things like Gaming, 3D Rendering, AI, DNA simulations etc but for video editing things are not just related with power. Windows always had problems with licensing of different formats and technologies like native HDR workflow support, ProRes RAW support, hardware accelerators etc things that you need to work yourself for to get working due to unorganised support on windows OS.
Apple on the other hand enjoys the monopoly of supporting exclusive support and software optimisation which at the end makes the user experience better.
Also efficiency plays an important role these days, A 96 core AMD Threadripper Pro 7995WX setup with 1TB of DDR5 RAM, dual RTX4090 GPU looks good but the amount of heat produced and power they consume together with all things set up is just way out of people's electricity budget. The upcoming M3 Ultra or M4 Ultra will give you similar performance results for editing consuming 1/4th of total power.
@@iamakkkshay Just one important Distinction:
For Editing specific Formats and in DR it will be smarter to go Apple at this time, but not starve on uRAM.
However, a 4090 for Video Editing is still a lot more Capable if you i.e. make a lot of Videos like in Let's Plays and similar. 360FPS+ Live Encode AV1 is a heavy advantage in this case. You would likely Edit but not CGrade your footage then. It is a niche case, just do your research open minded :)
This is why the Advice on Professional CGrading (reliability not being measurable on a tech spec table) given by someone who DOES use it day to day like Waqas Qazi is VERY important and helpful.
@@RawmanFilm I heard somewhere that the Khronos Group in Vulkan video is bringing some new Hardware Accelerated Decoding and Encoding API for Nvidia & AMD GPU which will overpower the current ones. So let's hope it gets a stable release by the end of 2024.
But still Blackmagic needs to get HDR working for windows 11 PC as not everyone will buy an I/O device to project timeline on HDR supported monitors.
Now I really wonder how it compares to an 13900k with an RTX 4090..
Receiving a delivery on the first of a PC rig with those specs. Will def be doing a comparison vid.
Awesome. Man I read somewhere about your experience with Mackintosh and such. I've been in the same boat as you. The Davinci x Mac marriage seems so good that it does not make sense to go the PC route. However, it is unthinkable for me that a custom build 10x the size and that consumes 4-7x the power can't be faster. I'm very much looking forward to your comparison. My guess is, it won't be as snappy in timeline performance. But once you apply NR and do heavy color grading, tracking etc. the PC will be very powerful. A great test to do also is to compare the time it takes for both systems to transcode a large pile of clips to ProRes for instance. I'd love to know if a 2TB shooting kind of day gets transcoded much faster with a PC or not.
Thanks for making the videos you make, I much enjoy them and it helps a lot with decision making! @@theqazman
Why does OSX need 750GB storage? LOL. I have an iMac with 500GB of storage, Resolve, Adobe Suite and I'm only still have nearly 450GB free (so only using 50GB).
WHAT?!
You should make comparrison with RTX4090 bro, not an old intel chip :) Will be 15x times faster than this m2 ultra studio. But yes it does consume 600w electricity too
Even i do get same footage 34fps by making magic mask with half strong of rtx4090 ( i have rtx3090 )
Is it that much faster? Really hesitating between a Mac Studio fully specced or an 13900 + 4090 and can’t decide
@@scottmh get a PC its way cheaper and still absolutely good enough… I get similar performance to most of the things tested in this video with the studio on my Pc and it only cost me 2,5K by buying used parts…
Got the maxed out PC it's almost 2x faster in some instances not 15x.
@@theqazman 2 times? Wow I didn’t think it would be that big of a difference.
What specs did you get?
very keen to know what you got? Do you enjoy it more than the Mac?@@theqazman
newbie here.....the problem is, why would they release a software that no computer can handle it? it's their job to fix their software.. i mean, noise reduction, grain, and depth map should be a basic lightweight fx. I wonder, how hollywood handle this kind of thing when it comes to a big production that needs all kind fxs available.
The World of ARM, Chipdesign of specific workload Scenarios are advancing much faster than the usual X86 Architectures and Multi-Purpose CPUs. Davinci Resolve is extremely powerful. having an Effect that works at all is better than no effect. only a few years Back we did not count FPS but seconds per FRAME(!). Having it close to Realtime is enhancing the workflow a lot. DVResolve is VERY Advanced and the gold Standard for Grading.
So if you took an old Davinci Resolve version on a neewer plattform (if it was compatible) and used the state of the art features of back then, you could do less, in less time :D that is useless though.
Ah one last example:
In 1920x1080p 8-Bit 4:2:0 Inter like H.264 you could decode h.264 in a lot more than double realtime with just ONE VEGA64; this old Mac Pro has 4 of them.
you could use about 32 Effects in Nodes chained. That does sadly not translate to 4x32 Nodes on 4 of them. They need to exchange data AND wait for eachother in the worst case. Also 4K 60 is not unusual anymore. native Decode of i.e. 4096x2160 48FPS H.265 10bit 4:2:2 is NOT accelerated by a lot of GPUs. You need to decode using general purpose which then introduces latency. all of this specifics go on and on. It really is important to know what you are going to do with your system.
Two words for you … mini split AC
X86 vs ARM is just like ICE engine supercars vs EV's these days.
So true man.
Although it is not just ARM. It is ARM with enough capabilities to drive most applications, leaving some astray rarely anyone ever needs except i.e. Specific Science and SIMs.
The ASICs in ARM SOCs and on GPUs are doing the heavy liftig efficiently.
$900 electric bill 😨
$1000? What are you paying per kilowatt?
I have available his course in 200$
Well I mean… you still owe the tax.
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That is fine for me, I just bought someones 2019 dual vega 32's 1tb, 192gb ram for $1800 ... because they wanna shave 5seconds or 30mins per day...and bought a studio... so yea, I will take a $15k machine for 1800 ... and get it done 4-10 seconds slower... i'll buy your $10k studio from you in 2026 for $1k ...
Ah, much beloved Macs... Overpriced, overhyped, underperforming in every single task
So Apple made you pay tens of thousands of dollars and showed you, that it wasn't worth and you cheer how great it is to spent thousands of dollars again? Hmm.
The Mac in 2019 was probably overpriced back then as well!
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