@@edfell66 Também comprei o i9 12900 agora no sábado por esse valor de 2799 na Pichau, tava cogitando o i7 12700k, aí vi esse super preço, e vai dar na mesma, vou ter o mesmo desempenho, e também porque não pretendo mexer com overclock.
@@FelipeFeast ja pensou no que vai usar de cooler? Vejo que o 12900k esquenta muito e que tem acontecido do próprio suporte/socket tem "entortado" ele um pouco, afetando o resfriamento. Não sei se é o caso do 12900 normal. É difícil achar vídeo que não seja do K
@@edfell66 Comprei o ML240R da CoolerMaster, precisei solicitar o kit de upgrade para o LGA 1700, chegou em 7 dias corridos (Correios/PAC). Em breve vou instalar, ai digo o resultado. O i9 12900 é raro de se ver mesmo, tanto aqui quanto lá fora.
Loving the videos, I’m running a old mid 2011 27” iMac for my music studio and am considering building a PC to replace it. I see your builds are video focused, would love to see a music production build or just a video about the important aspects of such a build.
Hot damn, I'm dumb. I thought you said music video and just re-read you meant actual music. Truth is single core score needs to be high for music. If you want to stay with apple, then the newer m1 stuff is nice. If PC is an option, 12900k is where it's at. Only a few programs use DDR5 well, but unfortunately some music programs do actually love it, so probably a DDR5 board. I'd make sure to have Thunderbolt, too, so you are looking at the same 700 dollar MSI board with dual thunderbolt and 5 m.2. Stick with 2 sticks of DDR5. If you can sell your car, probably get a 64GB kit. Get a 2TB m.2 like 980prp for system and vsts, cause they fill up documents, vst folder, aax folder, etc. all over the damn place and it's a pain to move things and have them show across all daws etc. Get a 2TB scratch drive for your projects, get massive storage like dual 8tb at least to keep samples and done works etc. unless you have a dedicated server for storage already. There is an ASRock itx for 400 bucks that takes 2 sticks of ram and has thunderbolt, too, but you only get 2 m.2 storage spots. The 12900k needs like 280 or better 360 Rad. So no small case for you. The good news is, if you get a Intel 12900k, you canost definitely skip the graphics card or if you insist, you can get a 980ti, 2060 super or something in-between for cheap enough to use 4k or dual monitors with no loud GPU spinning. The 5950 is cool, too and will get you to 32 tracks and routing with a bunch of vsts and effects, too, but the king in this discipline is 12900k. If you use a bunch of Arturia, Spiff, High end Waves etc. per track and just can't help stacking 7-10 efx per channel and you got 6 rappers on a Collab on orchestral live beats with real drums and hate freezing tracks, the 12900k is better lol. Kind of the same applies as below for videos, but you don't need even the 3050. The more you put on a track the more it matters that your single core speed is high. 12400 is well capable if your projects have 6-8 vsts and 16 tracks with samples and maybe 30 efx and you record 3-4 tracks. If you do double that regularly and have a lot of routing going on, the 12700k is good. If those are rookie numbers to you and you routinely do more than 64 channels and you have groups of buses and like the most demanding vsts out on every track, I'd say 12900k all day. But still the m1 pro can make you just as happy or more happy, if you got the cash. Both can take loads of abuse. He's done a few geared towards video production. It depends which programs you use, but generally Intel delivers more native accelerations for more codecs, which can help you have a smooth timeline. In general the better the processor is, the better for video production, but the big thing is what formats will you use to edit with and what is your target export size? The truth is that most everything 4k and under will run very smoothly on modern high end processors and even most high mid level processors. So you can get away with editing on a 12600k very well, which is sort of in the price sweet spot. Most programs are not appreciably faster on DDR5 than DDR4. More DDR4 almost certainly beats less DDR5. There are still a lot of issues with using 4 banks of DDR5 as well. It's a nightmare to get full advertised speeds out of 4 sticks of DDR5 ram still. This will likely improve over time with better bios, but it can be downtime for you fiddling around with it. The real truth is you can grab 32GBs of DDR4 for sometimes less than half of the "same speed" DDR5. So you can get 64Gbs of DDR4 ram in 4 sticks for substantially less than 64GB DDR5 ram in 2 sticks. The more you stack effects, overlays, masks, other cameras, etc. the more you will need a ton of ram. Ideally for 1GB of stacked footage in your project you have at least 32GB of Ram. So with 3-4 cameras or different overlayed shots and lots of effects, the more ram the better and you will quickly get there especially with music videos. Your best bet is therefore a DDR4 motherboard that takes Intel 1700 processors. The more m.2 storage you can get on the motherboard the better. PCIE5.0 on your main drive for windows and programs is okay to have for the future, but mostly you want drives with high iops that last and can be rewritten to a ton of times. Ideally you'll want something like a 1TB SSD for system and programs, which probably the WD SN850, 980pro, 980 and WD SN750 are all good choices for. Nobody can tell the difference without looking at the drives in actual use in my opinion. Then there are drives that have high iops and can be written to a lot more than those or some, which he also has specific storage videos on, which are spot on. You can get attractively priced ones and make sure you replace them before wearing them out or watch his videos and go with drives that can take the abuse and hardly cost more. Many people buy the 970evo for this, but it's not the best choice. Again watch the video on storage, if you want the best choices for creators. Graphics cards are great. The 3050 helps a lot. The 3060 is really dope. The 3070 is expensive, but best. The 3080 and 3090 are uselessly expensive overkill usually. AMD will work from the 5800X and up, but depending on the program you use and the codecs your footage is in, it may see more lag than on Intel on the timeline. For rendering there is not that much differece. One wins this another that, but Intel gets more wins at any level with 12400k, 12600k, 12700k and 12900k all being winners. Pick whichever one you can afford, while having enough left over to get a bunch of ram and storage. The 10600k is probably the price performance king. Get a DDR4 mainboard. Max the ram out within reason. Does not have to be the fastest possible for the board, but more is better. Spring for the 3060 if possible or get a 3050 if it's just too much. Get the 3070 or a cheaper 3080 at the absolute most, if you are Scrooge McDuck. Builds could be: 1. Give me something that should mostly work: Air-cooled 12400k, 32GB DDR4 3200, nice air cooler, 500gb 980 system and 1tb 970eco with 3050 in Nzxt flow or something -> chews through stacked 1080p content like a mule, 4k is workable depending on codec, but as the stacking starts, you better find things to do while it renders and it will eventually get choppy. PSU 550 will do fine, 650 is great. I'm serious, but I want to upgrade my camera and buy another lens and my car needs tires etc. Give me value for my money build: 12700k, 64GB DDR4, 1TB 980pro, 2TB Firecuda 530 (if that's the highest number may be 730 dunno, totally forgot those, on par with 980pro, takes many more re-writes, great scratch/working drive), needs a good AIO NZXT x73 etc., maybe nice Corsair Case like 4000x with a 750 or 850 PSU. I make thousands for a project and have deadlines to meet and our camera crews worry about their Arri rigs and cinema lenses all by themselves build: 12900k, 2TB 980pro system drive, 4*2TB Fircuda 530 for programs, scratch, current project and last 10 projects, material for example, 2*16TB storage, 64GB DDR5, MSI 700 dollar Mainboard with 5*m.2, thunderbolt and flux capacitor enabled, Corsair 5000T? or O11 Dynamic XL? Z63, new Asus ROG II 360 or custom loop and 3080ti, 3090 (overkill for relaxing fortnight with 800fps or whatever is people do with these), PSU needs to be like min 850 watts now, probably safer 1000watts. If you are in between 2 and 3, go watch his videos on storage, GPU comparisons, 4k-8k timelines smoothness for different codecs and comparisons and check out some or all of the higher end creator builds, grab a calculator and check deals on your favorite sites (while staying away from open box items lol) and once you are ready to make the purchase, post the full build on overclockers forum, a fitting subreddit or whatever at the let the freaks help you out.
@@briarboy8959 Np mate. T-Force Cardea are the m.2 drives with insane re-write stats that the maker of this channel rightfully hyped up a little and which the name of escaped me yesterday. So the Firecuda (530 and up if there is up from there) or T-Force Cardera for scratch drive(s) is where it's at. The MSI board I alluded to is a beast and called the MSI MEG Z690 ACE (dual tb4.0). He has talked about it on this channel. Slightly below that the Asus Z690 creator offers a bit less (also talked about on this channel). Lastly for more budget minded builds there is the Asus 660 creator, which has limited m.2 and a TB header that can be used with the Asus add-on card (around 120 bucks probably, which should come into supply within months hopefully). So if you have RME or Focusrite and aren't on TB for now, that could be a cool route. Gets you the cheap DDR4 goodness, but everything else is pretty much up to date and the board is comparatively dirt cheap. You can get a great 2TB scratch drive for the difference. The only downsides of going that route (Asus B660 Creator) is that some music programs benefit a lot from DDR5 under specific circumstances, which actually do happen in the real world (we are talking 50% differences here and this board is DDR4, so that DDR4 can and will eventually "bottleneck" you). Then you would need to wait to add TB4.0 until the Asus cards for this are actually available (or shorten pins on the thunderbolt header if gigabyte is faster). Then there is way less expandability for more m.2 storage (2 drives max total here) and no m.2 pcie 5.0 is on the board (pretty much irrelevant for quite some time still until you can get m.2 drives that can actually use this). And as for the difference between the builds I suggested for video here and audio specific workstations, they are really more minor than one would think. Maybe DDR4 does better for video than audio, but more is still better, so 32GB DDR5 vs 64GB DDR4 will be closer and DDR5 will win with certain programs, whereas this scenario practically doesn't happen for video, but if that's worth a board that costs 700 vs 250 and 150 or more for better Ram is still highly questionable for anybody, who can't write those expenses off on their taxes (earns at least a food part of their income from music production). Hope with that you are set to find the videos that further help you.
Microcenter 12900ks 749.99, 12900k 549.00, They do not list the 12900 but amazon has it for 567.00 and the 12900kf on amazon for 572. so Micro center has the best price and it is 12 miles from my house..
Same situation as u atm wish micro centres did deliveries Was wondering if MC could give $50 off the K series, what they could’ve done with the i9-12900
are you saying 12900 is hotter and the stock fan included in it won't work at peak? It doesn't make sense if you will need to buy a third-party fan when there is a fan already included in it. The difference in our place is around $90-$100
Seems like Turbo Boost is doing its job well on the non K model. Why not have a cooler PC when the CPU is idle? Practically doubling the idle power when the the CPUs are twiddling their thumbs doesn't seem very energy efficient. I like my i9 11900. It runs full Turbo Boost power when I game,
Another banger as always! One question (off-topic): Can I buy an MSI Gaming X RTX 3050 instead of an Asus one coz I don't really use Adobe's Video editing software so the 1-month free plan isn't of use to me. Does it affect performance while video editing or is it just the same performance? (I commented on ur RTX 3050 vid too)
Imo MSI has identical performance to Asus on 3050 and I truly believe the MSI dual fans are the best mid tier cooling on the market with how quiet they tend to be. I give Asus the looks win, but loudness and performance MSI is right there or better depending on who you ask. If you ask me, MSI wins both of those or is at least objectively equal for less money.
For the current price the non-k makes much more sense. Remember that it comes with a cool argb cooler. You can sell it to someone running an i5 and save even more!
Great job explaining this project,UR my favorite, I sit and stare at my screen for hours. I buy & sell stocks all day plus research stocks them, That`s alot of text to read and when you are on your watch list prices are constantly changing. So my question is can you improve on this ?? i don`t know were to go better monitor more memory or better Graphic card. Thanks in advanced, $$
If you want to compare it to something from nvidia you'd have to go back to something like a 740. So you're looking at maybe 1/20th the potential of a 3070. Intel's integrated graphics are fine if you want to run a montitor or 3 and run youtube or excel or whatever but once you start putting a gaming load to them you're going to start feeling the problems unless you're playing roblox or whatever. For reference I have an intel 6th gen in my laptop and it struggles with running morrowind or a ds emulator. An alder lake system would probably be able to handle those things smoothly but not much more. If you want a system that doesn't use a discrete gpu to play games then the AMD ones like the 5600g or 5700g are significantly better. You'll still be one 1080p low settings and struggling to hit 30fps in modern stuff and maybe even having to turn the resolution scaler down to something like 900 or 720p. tl;dr If you want to play games buy a gpu.
@@covante4822 I heard that luckily Nvidia recently started accepting one conventional full sized gold bar for one of their mid tier cards, so you no longer need to haul an entire diamond mine on your wheelbarrow into the retailer of your choice. Good times.
It would be nice if you could look into undervolting and do a video about that. Then the Processors should run cooler. Question is though the stability.
hi I got the same build as you, 12900k 3080ti 64g proart z690, but only get around 1000point in pugetbench premiere result, I also enabled igpu in the bios, do you think why is the problem of this low result? Normally it would be around 1400? Thanks
@@theTechNotice found the solution, pr-edit-prefenrence--media--selenct hw acc option,somehow it isn't enabled by default, hope this might help someone else.
good to see this comparison. I did the research with not much information available at the time and came down on the side of the non-K CPU, mainly on a cost per Watt basis, based on Intel's official figures. Intel really shouldn't ship the cooler in the box - it's several tens of dollars of wasted money. Maybe I can sell mine on Ebay... I'm reserving the right to upgrade to a Raptor Lake K SKU in twelve months or so. (Raptor Lake is the processor I really wanted. I figure Alder Lake is an interim product and gives me the chance to evaluate the new Intel hybrid compute environment compared to a standard homogenous component like a Ryzen 9 processor, on Windows and Linux)
Based on your earlier videos I bought the i7-12700K CPU for my workstation (new build) - however, in the system preferences of DaVinci I see only the Nvida GPU not the Intel Grafics - Is this OK or do I need to set something different? - Thank you for your Videos - great help.
Remember that recommendation for using the built-in decoder of the non-F variant. Not versed in that application; however, is this software sold in tiers? Sometimes tandem or split processing is an additional cost.
@@theTechNotice What about 12700k vs 12900 on 85mm cooler with 140x25mm noctoa 3000rpm fan both power limited and undervolted. i want to bring at least the performance of the new laptop 12950hx laptop cpu. is it possible? ive been eyeing with cryrig c1, riuntek pallas, thermalright axp100 fully copper and axp200. what do you think??
The only incentive is to run it in a very small case where heat is a problem. Then it would make sense. Though could you run the 12900k at 65w tdp should the need arise?
It would have been a very proper video if you would have tried overclocking the K unit even by just a small bit. I'm not sure about 2022 but back in the past people bought K-cpus for overclocking purposes
100% right, but since I'm focusing on creators on the channel I don't think creators should be overclocking their CPUs due to loosing stability, hence I don't do OC content :)
@@theTechNotice Well I didn't mean you have to score 8000mhz on a single core, but even auto-overclock in your motherboard settings and then slight downvolting would do what anyone can with zero to no overclocking knowledge. And that will be pretty stable. Anyways thanks for the content. I've posted a question about what other Resolve effects than NR can make Mac hiccup in the comments to one another video, I'd be glad if you answer that.
Russia (Processors are freely sold, despite the sanctions.): i9 12900 511,8 $ i9 12900k 625,53 $ This is a big difference and I believe that if you are not going to overclock the i 9, then you can buy 12900 without K.
I am building a PC with these components below, please give your recommendations for it. i9-12900 Gigabyte Z690 UD AX DDR5 12th Gen ATX RTX 3050 8GB UPRISING Dual Fan GDDR6
From my understanding, most of your workload is cpu-heavy and only a small(but increasing) part of it can be gpu-accelerated. If this is my build, I would probably go with a 3060 instead of 3050 just for the 12gb of vram and better performance. Also probably would swap out the ddr5 board to ddr4 and use the budget to get more ram if you are doing some 4k or 8k stuff.
Why is the 12900k base clock at 3.2ghz and the 12900f at 2.4ghz? Also, why is the e-core base clock 2.4ghz vs 1.8ghz? Are the core parts different or are you using a different type of core?
this was the vid i searched in your chan in the morining, and now it is cool. rainbows surely been blowing at me, while i was driving homr :D
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Brazil...
i9 12900 is having a very nice price today for R$ 2799 at Pichau (normally is R$ 3699)
i9 12900K the lowest price is R$ 3999.
Peguei um 12900 por conta disso. Tava pra ir com uns mais fracos, mas nesse preço acabei indo nele
@@edfell66 Também comprei o i9 12900 agora no sábado por esse valor de 2799 na Pichau, tava cogitando o i7 12700k, aí vi esse super preço, e vai dar na mesma, vou ter o mesmo desempenho, e também porque não pretendo mexer com overclock.
@@FelipeFeast ja pensou no que vai usar de cooler? Vejo que o 12900k esquenta muito e que tem acontecido do próprio suporte/socket tem "entortado" ele um pouco, afetando o resfriamento. Não sei se é o caso do 12900 normal. É difícil achar vídeo que não seja do K
@@edfell66 Comprei o ML240R da CoolerMaster, precisei solicitar o kit de upgrade para o LGA 1700, chegou em 7 dias corridos (Correios/PAC). Em breve vou instalar, ai digo o resultado.
O i9 12900 é raro de se ver mesmo, tanto aqui quanto lá fora.
@@edfell66 Usando aqui o ML240R, i9 12900 fica no máximo a 40 graus, em atividades mais pesadas fica entre 50 e 80 graus.
Great video man, very very helpful indeed...
Thanks man. I like your videos.
My favorite channel for building workstations for Motion Graphics in After Effects and Cinema4D.
Please suggest me a GPU for i9 10850K B560 Motherboard
considering After Effects and Cinema 4D
@@shubhendrapatel Asus ROG Strix 3070 or better.
Loving the videos, I’m running a old mid 2011 27” iMac for my music studio and am considering building a PC to replace it. I see your builds are video focused, would love to see a music production build or just a video about the important aspects of such a build.
Hot damn, I'm dumb. I thought you said music video and just re-read you meant actual music. Truth is single core score needs to be high for music. If you want to stay with apple, then the newer m1 stuff is nice. If PC is an option, 12900k is where it's at. Only a few programs use DDR5 well, but unfortunately some music programs do actually love it, so probably a DDR5 board. I'd make sure to have Thunderbolt, too, so you are looking at the same 700 dollar MSI board with dual thunderbolt and 5 m.2. Stick with 2 sticks of DDR5. If you can sell your car, probably get a 64GB kit. Get a 2TB m.2 like 980prp for system and vsts, cause they fill up documents, vst folder, aax folder, etc. all over the damn place and it's a pain to move things and have them show across all daws etc. Get a 2TB scratch drive for your projects, get massive storage like dual 8tb at least to keep samples and done works etc. unless you have a dedicated server for storage already. There is an ASRock itx for 400 bucks that takes 2 sticks of ram and has thunderbolt, too, but you only get 2 m.2 storage spots. The 12900k needs like 280 or better 360 Rad. So no small case for you. The good news is, if you get a Intel 12900k, you canost definitely skip the graphics card or if you insist, you can get a 980ti, 2060 super or something in-between for cheap enough to use 4k or dual monitors with no loud GPU spinning. The 5950 is cool, too and will get you to 32 tracks and routing with a bunch of vsts and effects, too, but the king in this discipline is 12900k. If you use a bunch of Arturia, Spiff, High end Waves etc. per track and just can't help stacking 7-10 efx per channel and you got 6 rappers on a Collab on orchestral live beats with real drums and hate freezing tracks, the 12900k is better lol. Kind of the same applies as below for videos, but you don't need even the 3050. The more you put on a track the more it matters that your single core speed is high. 12400 is well capable if your projects have 6-8 vsts and 16 tracks with samples and maybe 30 efx and you record 3-4 tracks. If you do double that regularly and have a lot of routing going on, the 12700k is good. If those are rookie numbers to you and you routinely do more than 64 channels and you have groups of buses and like the most demanding vsts out on every track, I'd say 12900k all day. But still the m1 pro can make you just as happy or more happy, if you got the cash. Both can take loads of abuse.
He's done a few geared towards video production. It depends which programs you use, but generally Intel delivers more native accelerations for more codecs, which can help you have a smooth timeline. In general the better the processor is, the better for video production, but the big thing is what formats will you use to edit with and what is your target export size? The truth is that most everything 4k and under will run very smoothly on modern high end processors and even most high mid level processors. So you can get away with editing on a 12600k very well, which is sort of in the price sweet spot. Most programs are not appreciably faster on DDR5 than DDR4. More DDR4 almost certainly beats less DDR5. There are still a lot of issues with using 4 banks of DDR5 as well. It's a nightmare to get full advertised speeds out of 4 sticks of DDR5 ram still. This will likely improve over time with better bios, but it can be downtime for you fiddling around with it. The real truth is you can grab 32GBs of DDR4 for sometimes less than half of the "same speed" DDR5. So you can get 64Gbs of DDR4 ram in 4 sticks for substantially less than 64GB DDR5 ram in 2 sticks. The more you stack effects, overlays, masks, other cameras, etc. the more you will need a ton of ram. Ideally for 1GB of stacked footage in your project you have at least 32GB of Ram. So with 3-4 cameras or different overlayed shots and lots of effects, the more ram the better and you will quickly get there especially with music videos. Your best bet is therefore a DDR4 motherboard that takes Intel 1700 processors. The more m.2 storage you can get on the motherboard the better. PCIE5.0 on your main drive for windows and programs is okay to have for the future, but mostly you want drives with high iops that last and can be rewritten to a ton of times. Ideally you'll want something like a 1TB SSD for system and programs, which probably the WD SN850, 980pro, 980 and WD SN750 are all good choices for. Nobody can tell the difference without looking at the drives in actual use in my opinion. Then there are drives that have high iops and can be written to a lot more than those or some, which he also has specific storage videos on, which are spot on. You can get attractively priced ones and make sure you replace them before wearing them out or watch his videos and go with drives that can take the abuse and hardly cost more. Many people buy the 970evo for this, but it's not the best choice. Again watch the video on storage, if you want the best choices for creators. Graphics cards are great. The 3050 helps a lot. The 3060 is really dope. The 3070 is expensive, but best. The 3080 and 3090 are uselessly expensive overkill usually.
AMD will work from the 5800X and up, but depending on the program you use and the codecs your footage is in, it may see more lag than on Intel on the timeline. For rendering there is not that much differece. One wins this another that, but Intel gets more wins at any level with 12400k, 12600k, 12700k and 12900k all being winners. Pick whichever one you can afford, while having enough left over to get a bunch of ram and storage. The 10600k is probably the price performance king. Get a DDR4 mainboard. Max the ram out within reason. Does not have to be the fastest possible for the board, but more is better. Spring for the 3060 if possible or get a 3050 if it's just too much. Get the 3070 or a cheaper 3080 at the absolute most, if you are Scrooge McDuck.
Builds could be:
1. Give me something that should mostly work:
Air-cooled 12400k, 32GB DDR4 3200, nice air cooler, 500gb 980 system and 1tb 970eco with 3050 in Nzxt flow or something -> chews through stacked 1080p content like a mule, 4k is workable depending on codec, but as the stacking starts, you better find things to do while it renders and it will eventually get choppy. PSU 550 will do fine, 650 is great.
I'm serious, but I want to upgrade my camera and buy another lens and my car needs tires etc. Give me value for my money build:
12700k, 64GB DDR4, 1TB 980pro, 2TB Firecuda 530 (if that's the highest number may be 730 dunno, totally forgot those, on par with 980pro, takes many more re-writes, great scratch/working drive), needs a good AIO NZXT x73 etc., maybe nice Corsair Case like 4000x with a 750 or 850 PSU.
I make thousands for a project and have deadlines to meet and our camera crews worry about their Arri rigs and cinema lenses all by themselves build:
12900k, 2TB 980pro system drive, 4*2TB Fircuda 530 for programs, scratch, current project and last 10 projects, material for example, 2*16TB storage, 64GB DDR5, MSI 700 dollar Mainboard with 5*m.2, thunderbolt and flux capacitor enabled, Corsair 5000T? or O11 Dynamic XL? Z63, new Asus ROG II 360 or custom loop and 3080ti, 3090 (overkill for relaxing fortnight with 800fps or whatever is people do with these), PSU needs to be like min 850 watts now, probably safer 1000watts.
If you are in between 2 and 3, go watch his videos on storage, GPU comparisons, 4k-8k timelines smoothness for different codecs and comparisons and check out some or all of the higher end creator builds, grab a calculator and check deals on your favorite sites (while staying away from open box items lol) and once you are ready to make the purchase, post the full build on overclockers forum, a fitting subreddit or whatever at the let the freaks help you out.
@@peteranders6893 Wow, thanks for taking the time to share all that info.
@@briarboy8959 Np mate. T-Force Cardea are the m.2 drives with insane re-write stats that the maker of this channel rightfully hyped up a little and which the name of escaped me yesterday. So the Firecuda (530 and up if there is up from there) or T-Force Cardera for scratch drive(s) is where it's at. The MSI board I alluded to is a beast and called the MSI MEG Z690 ACE (dual tb4.0). He has talked about it on this channel. Slightly below that the Asus Z690 creator offers a bit less (also talked about on this channel). Lastly for more budget minded builds there is the Asus 660 creator, which has limited m.2 and a TB header that can be used with the Asus add-on card (around 120 bucks probably, which should come into supply within months hopefully). So if you have RME or Focusrite and aren't on TB for now, that could be a cool route. Gets you the cheap DDR4 goodness, but everything else is pretty much up to date and the board is comparatively dirt cheap. You can get a great 2TB scratch drive for the difference.
The only downsides of going that route (Asus B660 Creator) is that some music programs benefit a lot from DDR5 under specific circumstances, which actually do happen in the real world (we are talking 50% differences here and this board is DDR4, so that DDR4 can and will eventually "bottleneck" you). Then you would need to wait to add TB4.0 until the Asus cards for this are actually available (or shorten pins on the thunderbolt header if gigabyte is faster). Then there is way less expandability for more m.2 storage (2 drives max total here) and no m.2 pcie 5.0 is on the board (pretty much irrelevant for quite some time still until you can get m.2 drives that can actually use this).
And as for the difference between the builds I suggested for video here and audio specific workstations, they are really more minor than one would think. Maybe DDR4 does better for video than audio, but more is still better, so 32GB DDR5 vs 64GB DDR4 will be closer and DDR5 will win with certain programs, whereas this scenario practically doesn't happen for video, but if that's worth a board that costs 700 vs 250 and 150 or more for better Ram is still highly questionable for anybody, who can't write those expenses off on their taxes (earns at least a food part of their income from music production).
Hope with that you are set to find the videos that further help you.
@@peteranders6893 Geez what a comment, Absolute chad
@@ykguy6379 thanks man.
12900 on a good B660 board is the value deal.
Hi, I'm reporting that, in Czech Republic is 12900 56 USD cheaper than 12900k, considering lowest prices that are available.
Microcenter 12900ks 749.99, 12900k 549.00, They do not list the 12900 but amazon has it for 567.00 and the 12900kf on amazon for 572. so Micro center has the best price and it is 12 miles from my house..
Same situation as u atm
wish micro centres did deliveries
Was wondering if MC could give $50 off the K series, what they could’ve done with the i9-12900
are you saying 12900 is hotter and the stock fan included in it won't work at peak? It doesn't make sense if you will need to buy a third-party fan when there is a fan already included in it. The difference in our place is around $90-$100
Seems like Turbo Boost is doing its job well on the non K model. Why not have a cooler PC when the CPU is idle? Practically doubling the idle power when the the CPUs are twiddling their thumbs doesn't seem very energy efficient. I like my i9 11900. It runs full Turbo Boost power when I game,
Hi, Thank you ... can u make a video on creator monitor
please
Great video 5 stars :))
what about the temperature?
It's like: Me vs My soul... Who will win? 🤔
Another banger as always!
One question (off-topic): Can I buy an MSI Gaming X RTX 3050 instead of an Asus one coz I don't really use Adobe's Video editing software so the 1-month free plan isn't of use to me. Does it affect performance while video editing or is it just the same performance? (I commented on ur RTX 3050 vid too)
Imo MSI has identical performance to Asus on 3050 and I truly believe the MSI dual fans are the best mid tier cooling on the market with how quiet they tend to be. I give Asus the looks win, but loudness and performance MSI is right there or better depending on who you ask. If you ask me, MSI wins both of those or is at least objectively equal for less money.
What about tempreture?
You ran this with OC enabled on the K version, or just the stock turbo?
Stock.
For the current price the non-k makes much more sense. Remember that it comes with a cool argb cooler. You can sell it to someone running an i5 and save even more!
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ARGB cooler? I had no idea about it lol
@@SahimTech yes you heard that right. Intel actually has ARGB cooler.
@@MaxLan-o4l that's actually great, no need to spend money on a separate cooler just for the argb.
@@SahimTech only for i9 though~which is kinda useless🥲 That’s why I said better sell it to save money.
My god. I just realized the "Tech Notice" pun. As in "Take Notice". I'm not the brightest rgb fan in the case......
Hahaha
Two times in one week you've had to do this!! Aha - focus Daniel son.
I think the rechargeable batteries are showing their age now, from 2 bar to 0 goes very quickly these days.
@@theTechNotice I think rerecording is one of the most soul destroying things to have to do.
Great job explaining this project,UR my favorite, I sit and stare at my screen for hours. I buy & sell stocks all day plus research stocks them, That`s alot of text to read and when you are on your watch list prices are constantly changing. So my question is can you improve on this ?? i don`t know were to go better monitor more memory or better Graphic card. Thanks in advanced, $$
Great video and useful tests! Thank you.
Got already 12900k, but was interesting to see comparison to smaller brother :)
how do you find your 12900k
@@malcolmjames5996 what's problem to find it? It's available worldwide.
Are the onboard graphics on the 12900k as good as the nvidia 3060 or 3070?
No
If you want to compare it to something from nvidia you'd have to go back to something like a 740. So you're looking at maybe 1/20th the potential of a 3070. Intel's integrated graphics are fine if you want to run a montitor or 3 and run youtube or excel or whatever but once you start putting a gaming load to them you're going to start feeling the problems unless you're playing roblox or whatever. For reference I have an intel 6th gen in my laptop and it struggles with running morrowind or a ds emulator. An alder lake system would probably be able to handle those things smoothly but not much more. If you want a system that doesn't use a discrete gpu to play games then the AMD ones like the 5600g or 5700g are significantly better. You'll still be one 1080p low settings and struggling to hit 30fps in modern stuff and maybe even having to turn the resolution scaler down to something like 900 or 720p.
tl;dr If you want to play games buy a gpu.
@@covante4822 I heard that luckily Nvidia recently started accepting one conventional full sized gold bar for one of their mid tier cards, so you no longer need to haul an entire diamond mine on your wheelbarrow into the retailer of your choice. Good times.
It would be nice if you could look into undervolting and do a video about that. Then the Processors should run cooler. Question is though the stability.
great content mate, was the only source i could find that shows the power consumption of the 12900 compared with the 12900k
Better than Linus tech tips,I can see that in your subscription increase.You and Hardware Unboxed are my favourite channels
hi I got the same build as you, 12900k 3080ti 64g proart z690, but only get around 1000point in pugetbench premiere result, I also enabled igpu in the bios, do you think why is the problem of this low result? Normally it would be around 1400? Thanks
Have you got the Intel graphics drivers installed?
@@theTechNotice yes, the latest version, on the Win11, if that matters
@@theTechNotice found the solution, pr-edit-prefenrence--media--selenct hw acc option,somehow it isn't enabled by default, hope this might help someone else.
I'm building my first computer and I'm in way over my head. I sent you an email requesting a consultation.
good to see this comparison. I did the research with not much information available at the time and came down on the side of the non-K CPU, mainly on a cost per Watt basis, based on Intel's official figures. Intel really shouldn't ship the cooler in the box - it's several tens of dollars of wasted money. Maybe I can sell mine on Ebay...
I'm reserving the right to upgrade to a Raptor Lake K SKU in twelve months or so. (Raptor Lake is the processor I really wanted. I figure Alder Lake is an interim product and gives me the chance to evaluate the new Intel hybrid compute environment compared to a standard homogenous component like a Ryzen 9 processor, on Windows and Linux)
Based on your earlier videos I bought the i7-12700K CPU for my workstation (new build) - however, in the system preferences of DaVinci I see only the Nvida GPU not the Intel Grafics - Is this OK or do I need to set something different? - Thank you for your Videos - great help.
The nvidia gpu is much more powerful than intels igpu that you are looking for your performance would drop if you were to use intel graphics
Remember that recommendation for using the built-in decoder of the non-F variant. Not versed in that application; however, is this software sold in tiers? Sometimes tandem or split processing is an additional cost.
i7 12700 vs i9 12900 please 😀 with ddr4 only
in australia its only 1 dollar difference K version is cheaper by 1 dollar lol
Wow, go with K then. 😱
Strange!
No it's not.. Whatever you were looking at must have been a special or an open box or something
@@Taylor_King it was 5 months ago when i posted this when i check pccasegear now prices have change
What best value budget components do you recommend for an Intel build ? ( CPU and Motherboard ).
Yes, check out my 1000USD build :)
@@theTechNotice What about 12700k vs 12900 on 85mm cooler with 140x25mm noctoa 3000rpm fan both power limited and undervolted. i want to bring at least the performance of the new laptop 12950hx laptop cpu. is it possible? ive been eyeing with cryrig c1, riuntek pallas, thermalright axp100 fully copper and axp200. what do you think??
I buyed a b660 and a 12900k, will it perform better than a 12900?
12900 is my choice for sff PC :D
I just bought a i9-12900K last week. The store that I bought it from only had the 12900K and the 12900KS. They didn't even carry the 12900.
Can you revieuw the Asus noctua 3070 oc? There are already video's about it but I always like to see your reviews.
Done, search on my channel Noctua RTX3070;)
@@theTechNotice Wow amazing
Another thing to watch
The only incentive is to run it in a very small case where heat is a problem. Then it would make sense. Though could you run the 12900k at 65w tdp should the need arise?
Yeah, you could if the motherboard has the power (TDP) limitation option. :)
core i5 12600k vs i7 12700 in real life becasue both price in my country is similar
I7 12700. Have a look at the i7 12700 review.
It would have been a very proper video if you would have tried overclocking the K unit even by just a small bit. I'm not sure about 2022 but back in the past people bought K-cpus for overclocking purposes
100% right, but since I'm focusing on creators on the channel I don't think creators should be overclocking their CPUs due to loosing stability, hence I don't do OC content :)
@@theTechNotice Well I didn't mean you have to score 8000mhz on a single core, but even auto-overclock in your motherboard settings and then slight downvolting would do what anyone can with zero to no overclocking knowledge. And that will be pretty stable.
Anyways thanks for the content.
I've posted a question about what other Resolve effects than NR can make Mac hiccup in the comments to one another video, I'd be glad if you answer that.
Russia (Processors are freely sold, despite the sanctions.):
i9 12900 511,8 $
i9 12900k 625,53 $
This is a big difference and I believe that if you are not going to overclock the i 9, then you can buy 12900 without K.
now is 2024, 12900 price is higher than 12900k, but why?
Please make video on (mac mini vs ryzen 7 5700G)🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️
Actually you can feel the difference of these two but your bank account does
I am building a PC with these components below, please give your recommendations for it.
i9-12900
Gigabyte Z690 UD AX DDR5 12th Gen ATX
RTX 3050 8GB UPRISING Dual Fan GDDR6
What are you using it for? The 3050 is just not really worth it, price to performance wise
@@dragonfly9138 After Effects, Video editing and graphics. Suggest me the best GPU.
@@poemnpoetry What kind of graphics? Adobe stuff?
@@dragonfly9138 Yes.
From my understanding, most of your workload is cpu-heavy and only a small(but increasing) part of it can be gpu-accelerated. If this is my build, I would probably go with a 3060 instead of 3050 just for the 12gb of vram and better performance. Also probably would swap out the ddr5 board to ddr4 and use the budget to get more ram if you are doing some 4k or 8k stuff.
No no no no this guy can read my mind 😆
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Why is the 12900k base clock at 3.2ghz and the 12900f at 2.4ghz?
Also, why is the e-core base clock 2.4ghz vs 1.8ghz?
Are the core parts different or are you using a different type of core?
65w vs 125w tdp. 60w buys you alot higher minimum frequencies.
@@mylittlepwny3447 Are they same core? hmm, more question: Why is the 12900k base clock at 3.2 and the 12700k at 3.6? even with the same core
Also I am using Handbrake.
Israel (ivory shop)
12900 - 642$
12900k - 776$
It's big difference.
O i9 12900 non k pode ser usado na b660
I Think the 12900 is better then K, if you don’t oc, it use less power then less heat
Did you see the video? According to my testing the 12900 uses more heat & power 🤔
@@theTechNotice yes hmm so the same for 12700 non k
12700k vs 12900 please
Ohh noooo please no pls no nooo...
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i think an unlocked cpu is more stable than a locked one