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They make so much more sense over the course of the full album 🍄 but they’re not for everyone, It’s S tier for me 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Any song from their seven concept album stretch suffers from lack of context if removed from the surrounding parts. Still, S tier for me.
For me as well!
This was not meant to be a stand alone track. This is an album, not one song. Someone should have told you. Too bad. Moody Blues one of the best story-telling groups ever.
Great point, and true of any real concept album or rock opera. They'd probably have the same problem with the title track to Jesus Christ Superstar too, for example.
@@bonya4585 It still works as stand alone - S So much S.
The Moody Blues made some truly perfect music as an amazingly skilled group of musicians.
Gotta say this is just Moody Blues. This is one of they’re best songs actually. It’s S tier for me. I’ve heard this song a million times and never get tired of it. Happy Monday A&A.
You're absolutely right. It's standard progressive rock stuff to stop and change things up. Yes does this all the time.
I saw the Moody Blues in 1971
I'm 36 and when I first heard this song 6 years ago, it blew my mind. I think it's a masterpiece. The start and stops or pauses don't bother me in the least. I could listen to him do it another 10 times. The start is like the chaotic minds of all the people in the world shouting all their questions, even if it's just inside their heads, now we get to hear it. But then we get the section of quiet reflection, including a soul wrenching plea, before returning back to the chaos that is life. And if you give it a second listen you'll see it's not that confusing or misleading. The middle section has 2 verses followed by the "looking for someone to change my life" chorus, followed by another 2 verses and the chorus again then finally repeating the initial verse to round it off. After that it's back to the bookend repeat of the opening section. My only problem with the song is the abrupt fade out.
Agree with all of that, and the abrupt ending without a more gradual fade-out is not as noticeable on the greatest hits titled “ This is the Moody Blues”.
That was a Moody Blues _thang..._ a song within a song. Sometimes, they had a song, within a song, within another song, and then cycle back to the beginning. I loved that about them. Not everything is about a _4-minute radio song._
If I had a critique about the Moodies it was... _too much reverb on the background vocals._ Even back in the 1970s, the excessive reverb sounded dated. Other than that, I liked their stuff a lot.
@@chuckhutton5087 The blending of songs on that amazing album, was both genius, and frustrating.....
The Moody Blues is my favorite band, this is my favorite song by them, it is a very deep song and this band takes me away like no other.
From one Laurie to another, I totally agree 👍!!!
Not only do I love this original version, but I also really like the remake they did in 1988 with the London Symphony Orchestra. The "slower" part of the song is some of the most...powerful...music I've ever heard. Just phenomenal. I would die on the hill that this isn't just S, but on a higher plane of S. ~Be Blessed
So same page....
@@aliwantizu Yes!!! Also the John Lodge -penned song from the same era for the Moodies “ Isn’t Life Strange”. The Orchestral version is breathtaking in it’s brilliance and majestic flow.
Alex--damn you blew this one...usually you are sharp and on target. The transitions are super on target and part of their progressive lean. This is S tier and one of their all time great songs.
Seconded.
Those transitions are meant to be jarring. The narrator is confused and conflicted.
@@aquatarkus2022 yep
@@aquatarkus2022 and it's funny that he said afterward that 'he didn't want to be betrayed' again, and that's _exactly_ what the song is about! Being betrayed. He (or Andy) never caught the irony of that.
@Joan In Florida Not all music was played to a CLICK TRACK!! The changes in rhythm are like a CONVERSATION. By HUMANS! lol
I personally think the song is a masterpiece, but again it is in a style that would never be popular today. The fast and slow sections are both needed for the message the song was trying to get across. I think that "modern" tastes can't stand the moments of silence either. Current music is so loud and "busy" it can't tolerate silence of any type. I see the silence as a moment of thought within the flow of the song and is part of the music and not a lack thereof.
I would add that we thought about the lyrics and contemplated them. The pause between songs on a album, the pause in the music when you had to flip the vinyl... actually all important to the experience!
Yeah. Can't do that today. All popular music must be brickwalled and same click track tempo!
Yeah, I think the middle section Alex didn't like is fantastic, both musically and lyrically. But as you say, it's far from the style of anything today.
I truly thought for a long time this was the most beautiful song ever made next to maybe ELO's Mr Blue Sky. I was lucky enough to see them perform live in LA 3rd row. This song brought me to tears.
It's not about being false endings, it's about letting it ring out and resonate, not rushing through the beautiful words.
This song is a masterpiece. S tier all the way. Alex is buggin.
You rarely ever hear any cover versions of a Moody Blues song.....nobody can imitate or enhance their unique and majestic sound!
Strange that the only cover to hit big was "Simple Game" by The Four Tops. It is one of their least known songs, but hit no.3 in the U.K.
@@petercena9497 I didn't know that....nice piece of trivia!
Funny you should say that, because Glenn Campbell covered this on his tv show. It was pretty good, I'd say. Its on YT............
@@artrandy I'll have to check that out!
Such a great freaking song. I can't help but shed a tear everytime I hear this. Moody Blues definitely in the top 25 of all time.
I think Nancy Wilson once said the furious strumming of this song helped to inspire her to write Heart's song "Crazy On You." One of the better Moody Blues songs.
I believe I've read the same thing recently. The other furious strumming song I always think of is "Pinball Wizard"
I hear it now. 👍
It’s the concept era. Pinball Wizard is one of the concept storytelling albums. I’m 70 and lived through those times and have to say the era has never been matched, nor ever will be. I love To Our Children’s, Children’s Children by the Moodies.
And not Pinball Wizard?
@@David-iv6je No. Both And and Nancy have specified "Question" being the inspiration for "Crazy On You". They loved Justin Hayward and said they were listening to a lot of Moody Blues at the time.
The Moody Blues are like falling in a dream. You may not understand the dream.. but it's always magical.
Tuesday Afternoon is a must by MB. I would also recommend Gemini Dream from their 80s era.
Tuesday Afternoon is a good one. I don’t know the other song.
@@leetroy3129 , “Gemini Dream” was a Top 40 hit from the “Ling Distance Voyager” album. It reached #1 in Canada and #12 in the US.. it’s a rocker.
@@straycatttt2766 I love "Gemini Dream" and also recommend it.
"Om"
The Voice is another great song from Long Distance Voyager.
I don't think they were false starts, it was a mood. Moody Blues! Haha. I think it is a fantastic song. 💜 Lots of emotion. 🌷 And like Kramer would say from Seinfeld... there's levels Jerry... levels! LOL
What part of "Moody" does he not understand? 😆
Haha another Seinfeld fan!
I agree TJ. I always thought of the "stops and starts" as thoughtful pauses.
Yep - I never heard them as ‘false stops/endings’. While I’m not a serious Moody Blues fan, I respect that there is an artistic vision at work to convey the message and it might need another listen on a different day to find a new perspective.
I agree I love the song. The middle section might be a little long for some. But I think with the topic being discussed it makes sense to slow down and have some pregnant pauses.
I remember hearing this at a friend’s house in 1970. Now I’m 70! Still sounds impressive. My brother bought Ride My Seesaw in 1967 and I bought Go Now! in 1965. And then On The Threshold Of A Dream in 1969. Where has the time gone? A ‘Question’ that is impossible to answer.
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It's not Ride My See-Saw...the 1968 album is "In Search of the Lost Chord"
@@justineapril7922 , the OP might be saying that he bought the 45 of “Ride My See Saw” rather than the LP.
Yep, I totally get what you are saying. My memories hit so hard from back in the 70's. I wanted to go back there SO HARD! This world now is SHIT compared to back then. So many of their albums have such great music. Alex needs to get a good bottle of red wine and sit back in a relaxing chair/bean bag and chill out big time. It's. not all about Rock and Roll...
I can't remember anything from the '70's or '80's or even yesterday..... Don't do drugs, kids...lol
It is a weirdly structured song. But over time with familiarization comes acceptance. Andy is right. It IS an acquired taste. But the drama atmosphere and dare I say, artistry, eventually rules out. Take it from someone who took that journey. This is an iconic progressive Rock anthem.
Speaking of 'Wings'... you've yet to hit "Uncle Albert" by them. Perhaps the most weirdly structured pop songs of all time yet a *massive* hit back in the day. Would love to see Alex's reaction to it.
Well said I think with time and familiarization this song will grow on you; so many times you just got to listen to a song a few times and then you just love it. I never thought it to be disjointed just a creative way to convey their artistry.
Uncle Albert is a masterpiece
@@steveullrich7737 those songs that grow on you over time often turn out to be pretty special. Love at first sight/listen, can be overrated.
@@flubblert absolutely those deep cuts can be gems
It's actually a medley: "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey", two songs mashed together.
This song actually starters two separate songs written by Justin Hayward (guitar and lead vocals), one a protest song influenced by the turbulent time and the other a love song, both written in the same key. When the need arose for another song for the album, Justin took his two partially completed songs and combined them to create an anthem for the time. It sums up the conflict felt by many… the world is heading down a road that I am in fear of and I don’t like what is happening (first section), but through introspection I see that my own personal life could be so much better if I could find a love that completes me (slower second section), then turning away from that introspection and returning to seeing the problems of the world. This isn’t something that you grasp the first time you listen to it. It’s really a brilliant song and the musicianship on display is fantastic! Gray Edge was one of those underrated drummers that aren’t really appreciated until you hear his performance on this song. RIP, Gray… we miss you!
I was 10 when this played on the radio and even I understood the complexities of the song. It’s a masterpiece! I was a kid and I got it. 🤷🏼♀️
I was 10 also anne,it had a great effect on me,i thought alex was disrectful toward the song to be honest,he just doesnt get it,great shame😮
@@dougreed2257 Yeah maybe is going to do Taylor Swift next. lol
Definitely an epic, gorgeous song-both sections are glorious in their own right. The slow middle makes me teary eyed every time. The lyrics are superb and Justin’s voice is EVERYTHING here. Now that you know what to expect, Alex, listen again and try to just let it take you on the journey.
Wow Alex you were tripping on this one. Dude, the middle section makes it a classic with its heartfelt and soaring vocals, I couldn't care less how many times it stops and starts. This is my favorite song by them by far, with its incredible instrumentation, magnificent arrangement and amazing vocals. Do me a favor, Alex, and revisit this because you definitely whiffed on this.
I could be wrong, but I think Alex considers The Moodies to be a "sappy" band. or "corny".....same-same.
Justin hayward is 1 of my favorite singers. The middle section highlights the passion in his vocals.
I never thought of the middle section as a series of starts and stops. It never hit me that way. That middle section is one of the most beautiful of their songs.
The first time I actually heard this song was on a replay of an American Top 40 broadcast from 1970. This song was in the top 40 at the time and when it played on the show, I do admit I didn’t know what to make of it at first. It didn’t hit me right away like Nights in White Satin or Tuesday Afternoon. After I started buying the old Moody Blues albums and heard the song a few more times I loved it.
This is an S tier song, especially in concert. I saw the Moody Blues in the 80's when The Voice and Wildest Dreams were in heavy rotation on MTV.
If only they were more like Tool…
One of my favorites. Justin's voice. The middle/slow section is perfection.
Young guy here that was raised on the Moody Blues. The point of their songs and albums is they tell stories. I think that concept is lost on people these days. For me that's what makes great music great.
You are so right. As I recall, a little THC enhanced the pleasure of just listening.
This was _such_ a great song on stage, a show highlight every time I saw them play. It remains near and dear. Sorry, Alex. "The Story in Your Eyes" and 1986's "In Your Wildest Dreams" also took listeners for a fun ride.
I grew up listening to this group & they are one of my favorites from the 60's-80's. Love their mix of rock with classical music. They have a sound like no other band. Many of their records are concept albums & meant to be listened to all at once. "Question" is the first song on their 6th album "A Question Of Balance" from 1970.
In the 70's I listed with headphones to this album for hours. So Good! and this song is so timely to day.
C+?!?! Are you high? This is an A+ tier track for me. I think the difficulty comes in that this is essentially two songs melded into one. Justin Hayward had stated that it was two unique concepts he had, but each one felt incomplete - so he found a way to make the 'slower' piece a longer 'middle eight'. Your honesty is appreciated, however!
This track completely fits in the 'concept' that is the album - A Question Of Balance.
I highly suggest Melancholy Man from this same album, or Dawning Is The Day.
Huge hit for them. I believe it was their biggest hit. "S" level for me. But the Moody Blues were an album band and you need to hear the flow of the whole album.
Not false stops... quiet contemplation and a contrast to the struggles in the world (the first part and the end). Listen again... read the lyrics. It reminds me of a day I was going crazy in the hustle of Tokyo and made a right into a zen garden and found quiet contemplating before stepping back into the crowds and getting my day done.
I never interpreted them as "false endings" but pauses.
I think this song is brilliant.. I love everything about it and the Moody Blues!!!!
S-tier masterpiece. The chill-enducing clarion horn sections (at the beginning and after the interlude) are timeless.
You guys. You guys. I think you're not feeling the journey. It's two songs together, but it's a movement within. A sandwich, and if you listened again, those stops and starts are a joy to hear. It's about the interlude, the space between what we want and what we get. The more you hear it, the more it feels so right!
Yes yes yes. Please keep listening to what they bring vs what you want.
Moody Blues are album artists. The album "To Our Children's Children" is, to me, their best and should be heard in its entirety. Best to listen to it alone when life hands you a bad day and you question your existence.
Absolutely!! What a fantastic album!
Although Days of Future Passed has the two mega hits I think Children is probably my favorite of their albums.
My favorite of the post-core 7 albums would have to be Long Distance Voyager. After that I feel the albums got weaker. A couple great songs but not as consistent and they were more Hayward-Lodge projects, no longer full band projects like the early years.
Love TOCCC, but still put “Days” and “On the Threshold of a Dream” ahead of it. Pretty hard to choose, tbh.
@@PaulThompson-mg1eg Music is a personal journey, sometimes taken alone. Moody Blues gives us wonderful choices.☺️
Thank you. Great ablum.
The two distinctly different parts... is what makes this song so great.
One of the defining songs of progressive rock.
Have You Heard (Part 1)/The Voyage/Have You Heard (Part 2) is truly epic guys - somehow it always gets overlooked for Knights in White Satin and this one.
I love this song. The lyrics and Justin's delivery are just sublime.
Bear in mind this was recorded in the Sixties on limited tracks.
This is my favorite song of theirs.
The lyrics are almost tear-inducing.
A+ for me.
I agree. Shocked they didn't love the lyrics or the song. They missed the power of the pausing. It helps make the lyrics more powerful and thought provoking.
What it evokes to me is the frantic dichotomy between the big “questions” and the intimacy of personal relationships over which a person can control or get an answer.
Exactly! The internal struggle experienced by many of having big concerns (about the world and society) and more personal concerns (finding the love that completes you and makes your life perfect).
Mike Pinder and his Mellotron bring this song to such an unbelievable level. He is one of my greatest influences as a keyboard player.
Yes the Pindertron, his engineering of that instrument was insane and very sorely missed when he left the band.
R.i.p Mike pinder .
🎼I took my percussionist father to see them on his 72nd birthday. He loved Graeme Edge’s drumming. I love Justin Hayward’s voice and guitar work. They are real artists. How Alex could give them a C+ just tells me he needs a Question of Balance. The era was the “concept” albums. The songs are linked conceptually. Get high, lay back and Listen. You will learn some stuff and especially the fact that each artist, no matter who they are, has their own style. Andy and his A+ made me smile. Listen to the Moodies in sequence albums 1-7. You will not regret it.🎼
Was Alex hungover because there's no excuse for that score. I've listened to this song many times and never felt tricked.
The Moody Blues really deserve the full album treatment. I knew from the title of this video that Andy would be more positive toward this song than Alex, because of his longer and greater exposure to Pink Floyd. In a lot of respects, I feel they are two sides of the same coin of orchestral rock.
To me this song is perfection. The singing is superb and the song structure is amazing.
I just love The Moody Blues. Not everything has to be formulaic and structured to your expectations. Different is great, guys! It's what makes this song just plain awesome. I happily embrace every part of it. Maybe you'll need to revisit in a couple of decades.😉
A&A, you'll love their "The Voice" !!!
“The Voice” is my favorite song of TMB. I’ve seen them three times in concert. Fantastic band!
That was the best thing Moody Blues ever did. Solid S. The whole album was a solid S.
I saw them live three times. Every time, the musicianship, vocals, harmonies were spot on studio perfect. Few bands can pull that off.
Been to about 20 of their concerts, been listening to them since 1971. Alex is the first out of the hundreds or thousands of people I have interacted with that hasn’t been blown away by this song. I totally respect you Alex but I believe you are the one that missed on this song, not the Moody Blues. This song is different, that is the point. I call it creative.
I have to agree with Andy on this one. It's a great tune. One of my favorite MB tunes. The contrast between the rocking beginning, slow middle, and rocking finally is what hooked me. Loved it the first time I heard it many moons ago.
Favorite MB song. Justin is singing and strumming the guitar. A live version is a must now to see . Cheers.
When I saw this titled “ we disagree hard” I knew Alex was going to dislike it and Andy was going to love it, as a teen in the 70’s I loved the Moody Blues.
Expand your mind Alex! 😅
My Uncle introduced me to this wonderful band when I was a kid, and they will always hold a special place in my heart.
"Commanding" would be a good description of this classic track. Beautifully conceived and arranged. The middle section doesn't have false endings, it has pauses in the same tempo as the slowly sung verse. But those aren't "endings" - false or otherwise.
I think its called progressive music. How boring if all songs were paced the same.
A problem is that young people today are so programmed into the concept of ~a song~ they pull up on demand on their ~playlist~ so that an unusual piece like this loses them in the different kind of flow. I have personally always adored the quiet middle section of this. It reminds me of some classical pieces that maybe have a similar kind of repetitive, quiet stop and start structure in the center of more robust bookends.
You mean like a minuet/scherzo and trio? Those who insist on one tempo are definitely making a choice than fully meeting the music.
Very well put!!!
This song was indeed pieced together from two separate songs. And if you think it suffers from that, I can understand why.
I love the Moody Blues, but I appreciate them more on an album level than on an individual song level.
I think one of the songs is much better than the other.
They pieced parts together sometimes, yet somehow it still tends to work anyway. And I think that just shows how together they were as a group. And surely mixing styles is a typical progressive trait. Those who prefer more straightforward rock may not appreciate it.
This is actually one of those songs that you can actually change your mind about after some listens. Now you KNOW about the stops and starts, so it will no longer be a “trust” issue. You can then focus on the words and the scoring vocals. One of the very few times I would ask someone to listen to a song again a couple of times and see if it changes your opinion.
Never was a huge Moody Blues fan, but always enjoyed most of their songs, and this is one of them.
Not many groups played mellotrons, but of those few who did, Moody Blues were the masters.
Song is 53 years old. I was 20 when it came out. Still love the MOODY BLUES ❤
This came out during the Vietnam War so there were lots of questions especially since America was trying to drag Britain into the conflict. Sometimes you have to really listen to the lyrics instead of concentrating on the backing track.
Tuesday Afternoon is another good song of their's as is their very first hit Go Now and further onto Ride My SeeSaw.
I kind of think as the Go Now Moody Blues as a different band. Even Graeme Edge had said this. Especially since Justin Hayward and John Lodge were not yet in the band. Also because Go Now was a cover of a Bessie Banks song and a different style of the kind of music they would soon produce.
When I was your age I would put on 5 moody Blues albums to go to sleep to and in the middle of the night they'd still be playing. What a wonderful time.
The disjointed stops, poses questions. C+ is brutal considering it is a classic song.
This was my favorite workout song when I was in highschool, loved the beat and the messages. Love the whole song.
Love this unique Moody Blues song - you are right, takes you on quite a ride! Thanks so much guys for reacting to this one and keeping it real!!🦋
This is my favorite Moody Blues song. I always thought the chaos at the beginning of the song was someone looking for answers in a chaotic world. Then when things calm down in the middle the answers appear.
Justin, said he had 2 songs and put them together. I LOVE this song and Justin's voice.
With The Moody Blues, you have to lay your head back, close your eyes, clear your mind and LISTEN.
I think it's going to be hard for me to trust any opinions that Alex has after this. C+? From now on his scores are meaningless.
S tier all the way. Been listening to them from the beginning. Their albums are made to be listened to in their entirety.
A. Overall great song. Absolutely love the transitions and production.
Weird song. Interesting. Certainly doesn’t age into an S-tier
One of their best songs ever!
The song is structured ingeniously. You have the chaos of the world playing within someone's mind. That person tries to slow down life and have time for quieter reflection, but then the speed of life intrudes. It's a constant battle in the minds of many people. I can see how someone might like to have the distinct parts as separate songs but they have to be together to keep the theme intact. They are not false starts, Alex, just someone ruminating and trying to think in almost silence, tuning out all the 'noise', but all those thoughts and other people's words inevitably reappear. A brilliant paradigm. That said, I understand how it can be too sharp a change of pace for some people's ears and brain. I'm 60 now and even as a teenager I thought it was cool and a classic.
Stop thinking so much and just sit back and appreciate it for what it is!
Been a Moodys fan since 1964 when Go Now came out and bought every Album they brought out. I have seen them umpteen times and sadly watched as members left us but they also gave us a library that will live forever.
You need to be a romantic to appreciate the beauty of the middle section. If you are a cynic it doesn't help. The Moodies were the best at addressing the global and the personal in there songs.
I understand how the song can have the kind of reaction Alex had. The "flow" threw me the first time, too. But after listening the second or third time, the "stops" are what make it special!!
Help him, Andy. Lead him to the light. 😄
This is one of my favorite songs. Moody Blues made some fantastic music.
Bravo Andy for sticking to your guns--you guys don't need to be joined at the hip always.
Saw them live in 1980 great show and this is a top three song of theirs for me.
A little green bud and a campfire would change Alex’s mind.
Saw them live in 2012 - they were sad and horrible - alas!
@@JamesJoyce12 there comes a time for all things to end.
@@JamesJoyce12 Saw them in 2001, Roy Thomas still there...they were strong.
Ray Thomas
@@FBodStudios Yeah, it was a typo.
It's 2 songs pieced together beautifully. 2 unfinished songs made 1 classic. Thank you Justin Hayward.
one of their greatest. it was originally two songs, one fast and one slow that they couldn't finish. they were both in the same key so they combined them
This was iconic when it hit the airways. Gorgeous still.
A+ all day. Slow section is exceedingly beautiful - poetry of life - bookended by that 60s quintessential prog rock sound
Had the pleasure of seeing them live and this song brought the house down.
I saw The Moody Blues 4 or 5 times. I should have went to many more of their concerts. For me it's S tier.
I saw a video of Justin Hayward saying that he had 2 different songs and put them together for this song. I understand the comments but I have listened to it so many times that it will always be one of my favorite songs.
For me, this song is one of the songs I think of when people talk about progressive rock. I think it's a great blend of rock with classical music. I like the middle section, I think the middle section is where they get into the point of the song. With lots of classic rock you have to listen to the whole song before you make a judgment. Imagine making your mind up on Stairway to Heaven somewhere in the middle! Things can change in these songs so I'd recommend holding off on any assumptions about where the song is going or when it's ending until you've heard the whole song.
When you look at them playing this live it’s magical, love it.
Love this song and just about every song on their core 7 albums. 🎶
"that's what the war of love is for".... fantastic lyrics in an amazing song.
You both loved it at the outset. The hard switch did it. I used to have issues with it, but I LOVE it now. The slow pieces are SO heartfelt and atmospheric. The rock parts are a great transition to happiness. You have to admit it was totally a BOLD choice. Songs do not do this generally.
A+++ and beyond for me. How can someone not like a song that takes you on a journey?
The thing about the Moody Blues is it’s difficult to formulate opinions unless you hear their albums in its entirety. They are all conceptual albums!
They are an intelligent band. They are a thinkers band.
One of my favourite tracks from the Moody Blues.
You blew it, Alex. S tier all the way.
When you hear greatness you will never go back listening to bad music
First single I actually bought, even though I didn't have a record player! Still love it!
This is what you get when children analyse music.