THE FOREVER WINTER All Classes and Analysis
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- THE FOREVER WINTER All Classes and Analysis
Which class are you playing in The Forever Winter?
The Forever Winter is a co-op tactical survival horror shooter where you and your squad must loot the dead to survive under the shadow of terrifying and gargantuan war machines locked in a never-ending conflict.
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Note: The Old Man & Scav Girl has access to the fewest Rigs (which allow you to hold more loot, guns, and large items like water). Their class skills allow them to use certain rigs that the other classes have natural access to. The Bag Man has access to all rigs right from the start.
Basically what I was looking for.
@@errm9573 just found it out last night via a Rig Vendor.
sadly sharman,mask man and bag man just get better rig availability right away without any investment
One of those games where i love the design of every character. Gonna be tough to pick a favorite.
Ive found that some of the skills don't actually work. Seems like the skills trees are also just a first pass, theyre likely going to change quite a bit.
I just played as the old man. To be honest, my most successful runs are done without firing a shot. I invested in the skill tree but didn’t really find them useful.
Most of my early-game successful runs have been when I went full stealth and avoided combat.. not sure whether that'll be viable later and in bigger maps :S
I'm surprised they don't have some kind of engineering operator considering how technical the setting and factions are.
Probably what gun head is going to be
Personally, I really dislike RPG mechanics if it's just "2% buff to X" style progression. Set a base speed out of 100 with the speedster character being fastest by a significant margin, then have leveling up automatically increase that stat for everyone, everyone gets a little faster, but your fast character remains consistently fastest. Same for every other shared stat. Reduce the number of long guns any character can use to one unique one and one shared with another class, that way if people want to experiment with a wide variety of weapons they'll be encouraged to play different characters.
For upgrades that actually require XP investment, they should really change or evolve the character's gameplay in some significant way, the only cases where a stat boost isn't boring is when the boost is significant. If all you're willing to change is numbers and not mechanics, go big upgrades. 20% more damage...but only on headshots. Double your reload speed, but only for SMGs, Double your belt size for LMGs but also double your reload times, etc.
A max rank character in a game with RPG mechanics should play very differently from a starter character, if your upgrade tree is just a straight line that character should be much more powerful, if you use more of a branching tree approach the end point should be a character with unique playstyles that both relate to the original role.
If character upgrades require five levels for what I'd consider only marginal improvements, I'd rather just get rid of the RPG mechanics entirely and have your stats based on gear you can find instead, that at least would tie directly back into the scavenging system which will be at the core of the game.
The skill system could definitely be improved and I think it will change during early access!
@@KnightKnowledge My hopes for sure, if the system isn't interesting or it doesn't reward investment much it won't be much of a draw to bring people back to get more XP and would be better off EITHER being worked into something more interesting, or cut completely.
Personally that's how I'd approach mechanics if I were a dev at least. Nothing extraneous, no man-hours wasted at all, something is either vital to make the game good or it's gone.
I played as Bag Man. My two friends were Shaman and Scav Girl (half my size). A group of 6 Europan Soldiers ran into the room and the scav girl said
“Get behind cover!”
I replied “I AM THE COVER.” And started blasting.
We lived.
I don`t know how to feel or what to say.
@@nemmondommegneked669why is that our Magyar friend? Miert? The poor guy was excited to share his action story where he bravely protected his team.
@@ndr226 lol the lesson of the story is just that Bag Man definitely has a role. Meat shield. 🛡️
It should be noted that the Scav Girl has increased base speed on top of the sprint expert skill, so she's more than just a few percentage points faster than the others.
The game really should give us the actual stat numbers for the characters tbh
Definitely agree for actual stat numbers
Wish the mask man was more unique. On paper it seems like he gets outclassed by bagman as he at least has a passive to go with his accuracy buffs
We do know the skill trees for everyone are unfinished and they'll be getting fleshed out (we'll also be getting more characters over time in general (No they wont be sold, they clarified this as well but they WILL be unlocked)).
The mask man seemed to have changing masks on death. That was neat as heck to me. Got a mask I liked and did my best to keep it
hopefully over the course of EA, all classes will become a bit more unique. The bagman is definitely slow in comparison to other classes, and i think like in most games, speed is very important!
Seeing the extraction would be useful for the first few runs of a map, but once you know where they are it's not really useful anymore, in the future if all extractions are timed, having him reduce the time to extract would be useful, or better Intel on enemy locations so he'd be more useful during a match and not just the end
@@VB2P360 Even if they were being sold I'd 100% buy them, I wanna support these devs (Not saying they should be sold just saying that the devs are cool and I wanna support them)
Thanks for the Video.
They need to add melee weapons and skills, melee saved my ass a few times with the cyborgs.
Would make close range encounters way better with dedicated melee weapons and animations.
I love the shaman purely from his dialogs, guy is pure mood
Agreed, I like the way you talk funny skull man
Yeah he’s a vibe, been playing him allot for loot runs and I love it
The masked mand looks like the best to me.
I think it's a big advantage to be able to see the extraction point.
You say that, but he can only see it twice as far, everyone else can still see them. Right now extractions are set locations so once you play for around an hour on each map youre never going to forget them. Its not going to be a really good skill unless they make extraction points dynamic. This could happen in the future though
In the first map, the extraction point doesn't change... but i think its b/c its the starter/tutorial map and maybe the other maps become bigger and the extraction-sight skill becomes more useful, especially if the extraction point changes locations
@@KnightKnowledge sure. Assuming they get bigger it will be useful. No way to know if they have plans to expand current completed maps
Can't you see the extraction point at all times in the compass ui?
Shaman seems like the best for general solo play. Carry Capacity for ratpacking, shotgun is incredibly good, gets extra sprint and sees loot 2x distance
I need to test the range of the shotgun...
No silencer on the shotgun is there?
I kind of hope that Gunhead's big advantages are tracking/identification based. Imagine if Gunhead doesn't just highlight enemies when you scan over them, but tags them in the process. (the same way you can mark enemies.) And/Or when you highlight enemies or tag them, it lasts twice as long. Both of these would make Gunhead a situational awareness build.
Or at least some character should focus on that. We've got general utility in Old Man, Speed in Scav Girl, MaskMan is the combat generalist, Shaman is loot generalist, Bag Man is the slow but powerful build. If Gunhead is 'engaging multiple targets at once' as their character focus, than that's the slot that logically follows to me.
That being said, I do like that there is a 'generalist combat' in Maskman and a 'heavy combat' in Bag Man, and both a 'speedy loot' and 'generalist loot' in Scav Girl and Shaman. It demonstrates the dev team are willing to let characters share some design space.
We really need some numbers though, like 'max hp/speed/weight capacity' baselines for each. It seems like that varies between them and being better informed will help people find what they're looking for.
I've been wondering if Gunhead maybe has some kind of ability to target and shoot things in 360 degrees i.e. regardless of which direction he's facing, he could run away and shoot behind him. This would mean it would have to be some kind of automatic-tracking/targeting though as we can't look behind ourselves in the 2nd-person/over-shoulder POV. If he is really the utter epitome of multi-limb/hardpoint pew pew pew I suspect he'll need a fairly significant drawback in some other area.... I reckon loot/carry capacity probably.
I am so freaking hopeful for this game dude
After 4+ hours, I can say that it is really fun & challenging. The devs will need to work on optimization, bugs, and tooltips/tutorials in particular, but I'm hopeful!
I do like scav girl for the speeeed
I have to admit. Seeing some random clips of her made me do a double take. That bitch running around as fast as sonic.
I just play the old man because he reminds me of Bill from left 4 dead.
My dude... running away is EVERYTHING in this game :D
As I see it, the thing with speed is. You do not need to be faster, than the enemy. Just faster than the other scavengers :p
@@haraldbredsdorff2699 that's definitely the motto of one of my friends.... To the detriment of the rest of the team 😂
The shaman and scav girl are my favorites, I try to take a stealthy approach and minimize combat completely. I have better luck with Shaman when I’m forced to fight though, scav girl is mega squishy
My biggest problem with the game right now is character just gets too stuck on terrain feels janky but is so far ahead of intended release im sure it will be resolved in time.
I can’t decide!!!
Running speed and carry capacity are the only important stats... Scav girl is likely the most optimized choice, but Shaman is way too cool. (prestige 4 with 6 hours gameplay atm)
Scav girl definitely got the running speed, but will need to spend XP to unlock the ability to use ANY rigs other than the starter or the basic gunrunner one you earn from the early quest.
@@KnightKnowledge I didn't realise that's how it worked when I posted my comment.... that's pretty rough for her.
Can't wait to try gunhead.
Do you think that it will take long to add it?
Not sure; I haven't seen any dev posts or it being asked in a Q&A yet!
Correct me if im wrong but if your prestige resets your skills none of this really matters until max level no? Only skill that seems relevant are the skills that open new weapons like grenade launchers and even then you will have to buy it every time you level up right?
The xp you spend on class skills aren't wasted and still count towards your prestige. When you prestige, it makes more xp available to spend in class skills.
@@KnightKnowledge oh sweet. thanks for clarifying.
Great video
Something to keep in mind with the Shaman and Scav Girl:
Shaman can max out his speed at an 8% increase from "Average" base speed, and Scav Girl can max out at a 10% increase of her "Faster" base speed. I'm not sure how different their base speeds actually are, but the Personnel Info suggests that she'd be faster without any perk investment.
So the Old Man Heavy Rifle is not unique to him since Mask Man and Bag Man also have them.. and also, the Rig skills lets you buy some rigs when you get 16 water and unlock the vendor.. Some rigs are restricted by character, If i remember correctly, Bag Man has access to all, and Scav Girl is very limited, but she can unlock some by investing skill..
Overall.. for my play style, Scav Girl is kinda good, because of the unique speed and the sprint upgrades.. but Shaman.. is the loot man.. better loot hud, access to some of the better rigs.. and the Sprint and Carry skills.. Everything a Scac needs.
I've been maining the Shaman... I really miss the ability to see loot 2x further.. but i think I'll be playing Bag Man when I play coop with friends.
2:44 in the bottom left corner in fine print it says that the occasional prestige also boosts movement speed, this combined with the perk at higher prestige levels makes her much faster!
When gunhead is out im in.
I can't wait to see what they do with gun head
I'm using Mask currently. I switch to scav if I keep dying while specifically looking for something. I gave Bag man a try, but couldn't get the cool guns he can even use.
I'm main-ing the Bag Man right now.. prestige 10 and once he gets the Heavy Machine gun, he becomes a beast. Mowing down whole groups of enemies! His secondary is a light machine gun lol
Thanks for putting this video together!
my pleasure! Just something I thought a lot of people would be interested in too!
Would of like more info. Like prestige, and what these skill ups really do. Sounded like u were just reading the info. Which is nice and all but hands on experience in each can be a huge difference. Look how sm2 went down because some classes started strong
Prestige resets your XP to 0 and removes all perks. It also increases your max XP, the first prestige increases the cap from 8000 too 9400
Prestige levels also adds Max HP, and as stated in game occasionally increases movement speed.
from what I can tell, the classes that don’t need to level into rigs can carry any rig, which means you can bum rush the 700k rigs and start grinding large items quick. The accuracy upgrades dont seem to be worth it, although I haven’t pushed them past 5% because I havent had a problem. The 3 classes that can use heavy rifles will be useful a bit down the road, since theres no real access to heavy rifles earlygame, however they seem rare enough that I wouldn’t pick a class just for that. I personally run scav girl, and at prestige 3 you can unlock enh. gunrunner rig, which still only gives you one large slot, but basically double the carrying capacity. Enh. gr also comes stock with a reinforced large slot, which “has a small chance of absorbing incoming damage,” I was running away from a squad tonight and it blocked 5 or 6 shots in a row, so that could definitely make a difference. Pick a character based on the way you’d like to play: Old man is jack of all trades, scav girl is the fast one, mask man can see all the extracts and plan accordingly, shaman is the loot goblin, bag man carries the biggest gun.
Reading, showing with some analysis. Just wanted to show off information that you can't always see on a stream or gameplay vid!
@jaxongerace9664 I currently have an MG42, and M60 and a 20mm cannon that can be wielded y bag man, its sweet haha can't buy 20mm ammo yet though
I'm wondering what the gameplay is like for a maxed out character. Like does it still maintain that whole "your not that guy" idea or do you become some kinda one man army killing machine?
As bag man, I got ahold of a Heavy, .50 cal machine gun that fires at around 1000 rounds per minute called Painless. With almost 2000 hp and 3 mech kills under my belt, I certainly feel like ‘that guy’.
@@All_Mighty672 how quick the Hunter Killer spawn after the mech is down? Or is it felt like dodgy with how they spawn?
@@mrmasher1126 when you do heavy damage they spawn