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Rusty Buckets Scottie Pippen stats look like Paul George tbh
Vic that’s very gay
Rusty Buckets you missed on this one. Like hard. When someone leads your team in most all major statistical categories in every finals series you play and don’t get credited for doing so then you are underrated. That’s not getting the recognition he deserves. He should have easily won at least 1 finals MVP.
How can you be underrated if everyone says you’re underrated. It literally defies the meaning of the word.
How is he underrated if he's considered universally as a HOFer and top 50 all time player? He's not underrated at all. He's properly rated. Some people call what he provided to the Bulls underrated NOT him as a player overall.
But also people say he's overrated
It’s impossible to say someone is underrated cause the act of saying Someone is underrated brings them up meaning they are no longer underrated.
BEcause a lot of people say he was just Jordan's sidekick
@@AnalyticalChick he was. That duo was not like a Kareem/Magic or Stockton/Malone duo where it can be argued who was the best player at a given time. Jordan was always undisputed better than Pippen in any of their playoff runs. That's why people call him the greatest No.2 player of all time
Under appreciated is the proper term for Scottie Pippen
What are the differences in your opinion?
Not by those who watched him play.
@@mmafan2223 By his coach who gave the ball to Kukoc
@@AnalyticalChick well, the coach made the right call
@@simple45679 Did he?
Did you just give Horace Grant and B.J. Armstrong credit? Stop trying to make basketball a team sport.
Horace was actually really good. B.J not so much
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@@SmoothCriminal12 that's the joke
BJ was a okay player with the bulls I believe he made a all star team when mj left but horace grant does deserve credit hes one of the best defenders and a great rebounder for the bulls
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You couldn't have watched the whole video but there is still 2 dislikes...
Like Bruh
Its because he always is to harah so people dislike
Because Rusty consistently makes stupid ass takes in the first 15 seconds of all his videos
@@kaiserl.3494 how are they stupid when he gives the evidence and facts to it I the video? 😕
It's like the Dame situation. If everyone is saying he's underrated, clearly he's not anymore
Underrated is a spectrum just like overrated.
He’s worthy of TOP 50 but I dunno how much anyone can complain after that.
Exactly. He and Jordan both benefited from having each other. It took pressure off of both of them. Pippen took pressure off Jordan on defense and some of the offense, Jordan could carry the load and take defensive focus off of Pippen. But that’s why most teams NEED a duo of good players to go deep in the playoffs and often a very good 3rd option to create space and reduce load on each player. A great player can carry a team most nights. But not when in a seven game series and teams lock in on them.
I’m still trying to figure out why Jordan got a loosing record without Pippen... Every time ppl bring this up or clown Pippen I asked the question...
I get blank stares....
@@cashflodigitalsportsnetwork because basketball, unless played 1v1 is a team game. Weird concept that it usually comes down to the biggest miss match that wins games. If Lebron and Kobe played against Pippen and Jordan it would easily be won by Kobe and brown because Pippen is good. But he’s the miss match. Even if “hypothetically” Jordan was better than born by 2%. Kobe is better than Pippen by 10-15% and they would try to force the ball to Pippen. Basketball is usually played in a team game of find the mismatch. Exploit it.
Our center is dominate to yours, that’s where we go. Our point guard can dribble past yours and cause open looks, that’s where we go. And usually that does come down to the best player on your team is the mismatch like CP3 is better than Teague, okay that’s where we go. Or Lebron is better than Montrez Harrel, that’s where we go. Jordan is guarded by Clyde, that’s our best miss match.
@@cashflodigitalsportsnetwork Jordan only played without Pippen for the first 3 seasons of his career.
@@cashflodigitalsportsnetwork Wow I wonder why? Maybe it is because he only played 3 seasons without Pippen, and fractured his leg in one of them, oh and he was a rookie in one of those seasons. But you know, let's ignore the fact that he he was even in the playoffs at all in those seasons.
Oh and what about the fact that he faced the Bucks with 2x DPOY player Sidney Moncrief in his rookie season and got a win, came back from a leg injury in '86 and scored 63 against the Celtics and averaged 46.7 points per game in that series, against a team universally agreed upon as a top 3-5 team all time. Also faced the '87 version of that team, you know which was only a little worse than that '86 version.
Now let't talk about 1988 and 1989 when Scottie was there. They got to the 2nd round and the Eastern Conference Finals. So Scottie must have really made an immediate impact. I guess 5 ppg and 10 ppg was really what MJ needed to finally start winning. Scottie became important from 1990 onwards, but looking at the 85-89 Bulls MJ's record in the playoffs is 14-23, granted that isn't great but it specifically before Pippen broke out it was 13-14, showing a trend of upward success.
If people are giving you blank stares they must be dumber than you because that argument is so weak it should've been erased from existence. Hell it's not even an argument, just a ploy based on half-truths and omissions of context to create a story.
P.S: Fix your spelling
Scottie Pippen is a near ideal player 2 when building a roster. However, His half court offense is average. With MJ, Kobe, or any ball dominant player it's not a deal breaker. His instincts and tools on defense give you a chance to get out and run. He was a terrific passer with good court vision that helped the bulls thrive on the break. MJ is awesome but having a running mate who can competently run the break with you is understated. Scottie was atrociously underpaid and undervalued by those outside of the bulls (and Jerry Krause).
Scottie has no buisness cracking the top 25 all time because his half court offense wasn't always there. Put him in today's era and he'd be towards the top of talent as well for what he does great
he isn’t top 25
Scottie Pippen was basically the POINT GUARD. 😅😅😅
Allowed Jordan to run around the court Without the Ball.
How was Bill Russell's half court offense?
@@deandrepage1048 Which was the right thing to do for the offense. Being able to be a great offball player makes you and the offense more dangerous and more efficient. Jordan could handle the ball too but Scottie wasn't as good as a scorer. It made sense
good points but Michael Jordans tutelage is what made Pippen the great player he was. we would barely know him if he played on other team without MJ.. after all just look he actually did nothing away from Michael.. in addition- fun fact, Pippen actually earned MORE than Michael Jordan in his Bulls career by about 15 million more. 109 mil total. Look it up.
Lebron fans on Twitter act like he was the 2nd best player in the 90s
They always twist the narrative though. No arguing with some. I've known people to use the Pippen lone season solo as reason why Lebron is better than MJ.
Ie. Lebron left Cavs- lotto team
Mj left bulls - 2 less wins
The rest of the pictures are completely ignored
They are so ignorant. They always say that Jordan played against plumbers, but also had such a stacked team, and had way more help than Lebron. But I thought MJ played in a league where everyone was a plumber. How does MJ have a stacked team if everyone was a plumber? Are they saying that the bulls were the only team in the league that didn’t have plumbers?
no but he was top 10 to 15
Actually the bulls had a great team due to the horrible Scottie contract, any Jordans championship team was better man by man than Lebrons, I can't take anything from Jordan but the bulls dinasty was so great thanks to Scottie talent and bad contract, and I do think that Jordan still would had those 6 rings without that circumstances, but not with the dominance they showed
Did Jordan ever have more help that Lebron with the 2016 cavs, and 2011 heat?
I think on defense he is underrated since a lot of people don't even realize that Scottie Pippen is a top 5 all time defender with a strong case to be top 3
randomrocketsfan who else is top 3
who are your top 5?
Top 10 for sure but top 5 idk that’s debatable
@@russwalker4017 1. MJ
2. Hakeem
3. Gary Payton
4. Scottie Pippen
5. Bill Russell
Putting MJ and GP in the top 5, and putting Bill at only 5 is a joke
He could be a solid franchise player but I think he really thrives when he’s not the 1 go to guy but more when he’s 1 of many pieces for a championship team
What Zach Lavine could be
When Jordan retired he lead the bulls to 55 win season
Joseph Ronnel Nahhhh, he’s more of a two/three on a contender.
@@lordquastheonly That statement requires context. The bulls lost only jordan and gained three role player that would be vital in the next three peat, Steve kerr, tony kukoc , and bill wenninton. The bulls were also struggling in 95 before jordan came back barely above .500.
@@Andandand25 he defo a 2
Scottie is a top 50 all time and one of the best 2 way players weve seen. These are both things ppl routinely say so I dont see how hes underrated. He isnt overrated either(except by old heads and bron stans) he deserves all the praise he gets
I'm an "old" fan and no, he was not underrated. Everybody knew he was a very good two-way player - at least over here in Germany people recognized him that way.
As an older fan, I don't know any of my friends calling him underrated. We just annoyed at young fans all the time, and having to point out Scottie or Horace Grant's or Dennis Rodman's flaws all the time is exhausting since....all these LeBronstans are overrating them...so they can say LeBron had less help. I've had guys acting like Horace Grant was a top 5 player, or that Rodman was a top 5 player, and I have to try to somehow...explain to them why they are idiots.
Also telling is the shameful sit-out he did when Phil wanted Toni to take the last shot in a game. It showed he didn’t have what it took, mentally, to lead a team. He bailed on the Bulls for selfish reasons, and that’s one of several reasons why he isn’t underrated at top 30 to 40 all time.
Scottie was severely Underrated and Underpaid ON HIS TIME that's true
But now he's a Hall Of Famer he is on everybody's top 50 (in-between 40 and 25 ussualy) he is Cassualy referred as one of the Best Defenders and 2 Way Players He is referred as the Best Number 2 Ever etc so he's definitely not Underrated
Rusty: "Scottie Pippen is not underrated
Also Rusty: "A declining Dwyane Wade was better than Scottie Pippen"
Joey
Wade only started declining in 13. In 14 he rlly declined. In 11 he was still great. In 12 he was only a little worse in then he rlly dropped off in 14.
@@EB-md5hz You're not wrong, but I'd consider 4 years of Scottie to be way better than 2 good years and 2 average years of Wade. Also, even if you could argue that Wade was better, Rusty basically said that Wade was A LOT better than Scottie.
Rusty says that (paraphrased) "the consistent help Jordan had in Scottie was around equal to the inconsistent help Lebron had in Wade, Davis, and Mo Williams," which basically means that Rusty thinks even with Mo Williams dragging Wade down he's still equal to Pippen.
@@Joey-pb6ul to be honest I don't know why he mentioned only those three guys, Lebron had prime Kyrie for 3 years and a hell of a second option to be mentioned in the conversation.
Jared Abraham Cid FDA Please. No one who played their whole career in the defenseless era of the NBA that was post-2003 can be compared to a guy that evolved to be dominant against the Bad Boys, the 90’s Knicks, actually any defense from back in the 80’s or 90’s. Put prime Dennis Rodman on Wade, with the defensive rules of Rodman’s day and see how he does, then you’d have a case.
@Aaron9 never
SF -- a little underappreciated by some, but overrated by others. I see him ranked ahead of Havlicek, Dr. J, Baylor, King, Dantley, and Nique. Players who legitimately carried teams averaged better numbers than Pippen peaks. Pippen is top 50, but top 5 SF or top 20 player is awfully generous.
Fantastic breakdown. Pippen fans gloss over 94-95.
That thumbnail of the hoopscast is so funny to me🤣.
Kawahi without the offense. An average offensive player, not a bad one, just not Kawahi. I have him mid 30s. Now I need to find a "how good was Horace Grant really" video.
Orlando can tell you just how valuable Grant was. Splashed so many mid-range jumpers that make me Green with envy.
Snottie Picken is like a poor man's small forward version of KG. A supremely talented swiss army knife of a player who can do a little bit of everything on both ends of the floor. Every elite team can utilize players like this, but you don't want them as your first option guy on offense. They just aren't cut out for it. KG was better in this regard, but he's the closest comp I could come up with as far as top 50 players go. People like to play the "what if" game with Scottie because of 94, but it's been shown throughout his career that his scoring doesn't scale up well. He was at his absolute apex that season, and his efficiency took a huge hit when defenses tightened up in the playoffs. The shortened 3pt line the next few seasons made him look a little better than he was. There's a reason he hovered around 18ppg most of his career, and it wasn't Michael Jordan holding him back. He's one of those rare players that could be the best player on a championship team, but they wouldn't be a championship team if he was their best scorer.
this channel is so underrated idk why the subscriber count isn't in the millions
How searchable the videos on the channel are is a huge factor with how many subscribers a channel has.
At the time he was underrated now people say he was so underrated it’s made him overrated.
Honestly Scottie will always be underrated since he played behind Jordan and couldn’t get the touches he deserved and when Jordan left he almost won MVP.I don’t think he would have won a championship but he would be a lot higher on most people’s list and his stats would have looked great and would be regarded as a top 20 player instead of top 50.
He did get touches he was basically the point guard
Ur on weed if u think pippen would end up top 20
@@zakariyahussain7931 lmaoo 😂
top 20 is for guys who lead their own teams to chips or almost did it (but with massive individual accolades). Pippen is neither of those two
The saddest thing is that we may know how good Scottie could have been as a franchise player for the Bulls if Jordan had stayed retired
We saw a glimpse of it, when MJ retired.
I think its safe to say that you could have built a winning team around him, most likely wouldnt have won anymore championships, but probably were going to contend every year of his prime
What y’all need to understand is that although Pippen is extremely talented, plating with Jordan made Pippen as good as he was. He was not leading a team anywhere as a #1 although being a REALLY good player. Just as MJ says you can’t have him without Scottie the opposite is true.
He led the Bulls to 55 wins and nearly got them to the ECF as a #1 player
9:32 I feel like the superstar line shouldn't be the ability to carry a team through a series/playoff run. There's like 5 players since the 80s that could conceivably single-handedly will any team on a deep playoff run.
Huh? You gotta look into factors like how weak the conference was injuries on the other team etc if a player legitimately leads a average or trash team to deep playoffs run or finals with great numbers and efficiency they are great players who deserve the credit
Pippen turned into the perfect teammate for Jordan. They defensively locked down the perimeter and Scottie could guard power forwards. He was athletic and could finish at the rim, but he was a point forward who was very good in the triangle offense. Pippen let Jordan focus on getting buckets and not have to be the only guy running the offense
People who say Pippen is underrated are usually people who don't like Jordan. He is a top 50 of all time. Pippen would get 18-20 ppg, 6 reb, 5 assists, and was a top 5 defender in the NBA.
Never a top 5 defender in the NBA
If most people say that you are underrated , you are not underrated
Thank u very much I've been waiting for a video like this
You forgot to mention Game 4 of their series against the Knicks in '94. Phil Jackson decided to draw the game-winning shot for Toni Kukoc with Pippen as the inbounder.
It shows Phil Jackson' s trust on him in clutch situations.
correction: Game 3
Carlo
It doesn’t show Phil’s trust for him in clutch situations, it’s logically and statistically intelligent to give the ball to a better shooter.
Don't forget when Pippen signed his deal highest paid players salary was 5-6 million , the rise in salary happened after his deal happened. The documentary forgot to mention that this was not a bad contract at that the time he signed but got worse due to new deals signed by NBA which increased player salary quite a bit.
signing any deal that long is a bad idea
Scottie Pippen was like 90s Paul George (worse on offense, better at most other things). Like, if you build a team around him that team will go deep into the playoffs but you know they never have a real chance at winning the championship(and people will freak out over a small sample size and claim they could have a led the team to a championship). Also it's not really an insult when people say Scottie couldn't lead a team. I believe only 12 or 13 players in nba history have the capability to play in era and still lead a team to the championship.
This is a very fair critique. I'd add that offensively he was a very streaky shueter that was limited to athletic plays and passing when his jumper was off(most of the time)! In addition, he was not a tough shaht maker, either. Therefore, it was not hard to shut him down defensively. FOR EXAMPLE: In those games against the Rockets from 90-93, where the Rockets dominated these very, very good-great Bulls teams, Pippen was MIA offensively!
Jordan needed somebody to be a 2nd offensive leader(for some reason, Pip wants credit for that), but Jordan had low games for Jordan(22-35[35 only once]) and Pippen did SQUAT! I don't think he got 20 in the series once and most of the time was well below that. Pippen could average around 20 based on his athleticism and catching timely passes to score off of those, but he could be certainly shut down by a lot of players.
And, he was definitely one of the best defenders that the Bulls ever had! However, in addition to his offensive woes, he was not this unapproachable defender as he made to be, either. Speedy and shifty players could be unguardable by Pippen(esp. if these players were small and expert dribblers). I would trust him on someone like Durant, Magic Johnson, Lebron, Harden, Barkley, etc, but Iverson, Curry, Francis, Hill, Kobe, prime Jordan, etc. I would not...I THINK HE USED TO BE OVERRATED(rated too highly), BUT NOW IT'S ABOUT RIGHT!
>values getting 69k over 70k
Nice
As a lifelong Detroit Pistons fan, it hurts to give any credit to The Sidekick. But Scottie is the best Number 2 option of all time, he was able to compliment Jordan so well and it's why that duo was so good; but he's not a Number 1 option and that's okay. Not everybody is meant to sing lead, some people are Glayds Knight and some are The Pips.
lets be real only people calling pippen under rated are the people trying to knock down jordans legacy.
Most importantly, we have seen a lot out of Pippen. He didn't have many career altering injuries, he played as 2nd option for the most part and because of Jordan retirement we saw what he could do as 1st option (and he didn't do much, had good stats and didn't do much in playoffs just like you said) and later in his career in Portland and Houston. He is a clear cut hof, top50 player in history (on lower end of that list nowadays) and one of the best 2nd options ever. And that's it. He is rated properly by most of community, there isn't many "what ifs" about his career (especially injury related).
So with your logic Jordan didn’t do much as well without him
4:53 💯💯💯 Right! He is ONE OF the best supporting role players.
Great video man! I totally agree! Do you know the story about Toni Kukoc making the game winning shot, with Pippen on the bench? Classic story. Pippen was probably the greatest defensive player never to win a DPOY, but you had excellent points!
Scottie Pippen is NOT underrated by any means. Back then, I thought he was supremely overrated because I didn't think he was a leader or consistent scorer. But now I think he's right where he's supposed to be even slightly overrated. I don't think he's top 50 all time today, though he was when he was selected in '97.
@Jordi Nunez well, there have been 38 MVPs in NBA history, so we can start right there with those players. And that's not even including guys like Dwayne Wade, Jerry West, Elvin Hayes, Elgin Baylor, John Havlicek, George Gervin, Isiah Thomas, Gary Payton, Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, Damian Lillard, prime Clyde Drexler, Mitch Richmond, Paul Pierce, etc. That's easily over 50 players and I'm not even doing a deep dive.
About the 1993-94 season, you’re overlooking the fact that Scottie played most of his career as a second option he wasn’t used to being the first option and struggled being defended like a first option. I think if he played longer as a first option he would have been better later on. People say Scottie wouldn’t be the player he was without Jordan or he wouldn’t even be an all-star when in fact if you look at there college stats Scottie projected to be the better player. Also I’m not saying Scottie was going to be the better player if he wasn’t traded to the bulls, I’m just saying he never had the chance to prove he could have been better.
im hearing a whole lot of excuses
Rusty Buckets not really an excuse more like an observation name one player outside of the top 10 greatest players that lead a team deep into the playoffs with good numbers on good efficiency as a first time number one option.
@@emincaliskan2981 KJ the same draft class as Scotty. Scotty was in the league for 7 yr in 93-94 so that's a weak argument Scotty fans use. If Scotty didn't know how to be a #1 option than he wasn't top 5 in 94 like so many Scotty fans claim he was.
@@rustybuckets judging him off a year in a half is crazy lol
Jaylen brown is the goat you middle aged man
Now you should make a similar video on Rodman. Going into his impact on the bulls last 3 peat.
I've heard such an insane range of opinions on him. From "One of the greatest rebounding defenders of all time" to "Brawler, melodramatic cheapshot artist" and everything in between. He seems to be quite a polarizing player as well.
this was made just to spite me, don't let him fool you into believing otherwise.
Keep the great content man
Hot take:
Without mj scotties career could possibly be similar to jimmy butlers
Counter argument:
Pippen was a bench player his rookie year and Jordan turned him into the player he is. So...how about no
Jimmy Butler wasn't being called "God disguised as MJ" when he was young by LeBron like MJ was by Bird in only his 2nd year.
@@handlebucket6285 Here is extended footage of Bird schooling ya boy: ua-cam.com/video/GKoXZ1f00Mc/v-deo.html
Enjoy ! 🤣🤣🤣
@@dynamic6645 We can nitpick plays of Kobe owning LeBron. What's exact is your point?
@@handlebucket6285 ua-cam.com/video/fXSM5hF2HPI/v-deo.html
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last time I was this late rusty was 6'4
Good argument. You discussed Pippen's strengths and highlighted his weaknesses. One of your beat takes
He was a great player but some people online have tried to tell me was better overall than Jordan and that's crazy
Underpaid =/= underrated
Sens mj got 3 million a year until 1997
Pip was a top 15 player in the league during his prime, but I am positive he would never have seen the same team success or recognition in a different situation.
Boss Lax316 I would say somewhere between 6-10
@@clydetheglidetop5sgtop10du7
There were two years where he was a top ten player, and five other years top 20. That's why I said top 15.
Boss Lax316 I'm talking about the 90's as a whole
@@clydetheglidetop5sgtop10du7 Yeah. Would you call a guy who was a top ten player twice out of ten years a top ten player? I know most wouldn't because there were more years of him being worse than top ten.
Boss Lax316 well I respectfully disagree
We need one for the Boston Celtics of 2008, and yes this is the last Paul Pierce joke try for a long time.
Scottie Pippen averaged more Blocks, steals, rebounds and assists than Jordan on less minutes in every playoff series. He’s underrated as fuck. 🤷🏻♂️
No he didnt. Just an example. Jordan averaged more assists against the lakers
Yes thankyou rusty someone needed to say this!
Talk about the 1994/1995 during the first 65 games Jordan was still retired the bulls 34/31 and in the sixth seed and pippen was leading the bulls in every statical caterogy. The reason the bulls struggled because they Lost Horace grant and Scott Williams to free agency.
Scottie can't get the respect he deserves because it will diminish Jordan's greatness duh
How? KAJ & Magic, Bird, McHale and Parish, Kobe and Shaq, etc. None of these guys get diminished.
Seeding 5 to 8 when the Eastern conference playoffs when Jordan came back in game 66 in the 1994/1995 season 5. Cavs 36/27 6. Bulls 34/31 7. Hawks 32/32 8. Nets 26/39
During the first 65 games of the 1994/1995 the bulls were 34/31 and in the sixth seed when MJ came back pippen missed 2 games and was tossed out of two games that the bulls lost by 3 points to the clippers and 2 points the spurs and he became the second player to lead his team in every statistical caterogory. If pippen don't get tossed out of those two games the bulls would've had 36 wins when Jordan came back. They reason the bulls were up and down during the first 65 games Jordan was retired because they lost Horace grant and Scott Williams to free agency rebounding and interior defense at the power forward was their weakness .
Finally someone says it. I've been bringing up that 95 season for years and no one brings it up. They were barely over 500. And his production was not great that second 3peat.
The seeding 5 to 8 5. Cavs 36/27. 6 bulls 34/31 7. Hawks 32/32. 8. Nets 26/39. That was seeding 5 to 8 in the eastern conference when Jordan came back during game 66 on march 19 1995. it looked like the bulls were on peace to make the playoffs if Jordan don't come back because the Boston Celtics finished with the eight seed with a 35 and 47 record.
As a Bulls fan and grew up watching the 90s you're right
You study numbers so much, and you study the numbers worth noticing. Awesome job man.
Nice to see the 83 Sixers get some love. Although you never mentioned Bobby Jones! Four time all star, EIGHT time all defensive team, and sixth man of the year.
He’s not gonna be top 50 for long , he’s closer to a pau gasol type player than a lebron
Pau Gasol was better Pipen is closer to Draymond
@@TheGOAT-dr1sq the scottie disrespect is real
Scottie isn't a half court player. But the playoffs are more half court play
Great video, really enjoyed it🔥
Scottie was originally a point guard. He was basically the first point forward. He is a facilitator and a defender. He was a great player and not overrated. How well do you know basketball? Scottie was like Grant Hill and Lebron James, those two guys are natural scorers that can facilitate and grab rebounds and play defense. Once again Scottie started out as a point guard, not a scorer. The mere fact that he was averaging 20 plus points, 7 assists, 7 rebounds, 2 steals was awesome. There are some players in the NBA that can't do that now.
Not to mention, in the 55 win season, they were playing every game like a playoff game because they were trying to prove to everyone that they didn’t need MJ so they played their hearts out
Yes, the 95 season wasn't great, but losing Grant was huge. They lose Jordan and Grant in consecutive years for nothing and didn't replace him. I'd be curious to see what they would had done if they had Rodman in 95.
That's argument against him is in 95. Other great SFs, like LeBron, Nique, Worthy, Pierce, Bird, and a few others whose numbers stayed consistent, regardless of the team's overall talent.
@@sydneystroud4397 in not sure when Bird and Worthy didn't have a ton of talent around them.
They added Kukoc and Kerr when Jordan left though
Great video...to me Scottie was more overrated than underrated (if I had to choose).....the only people that don’t appreciate Scottie from what I notice are casual bb fans and MJ D riders
Pippen in top 25 GOAT in my books
Based strictly on emotion i guess 🤷🏾♂️
Allen Zen top 25?? Hell no🤣🤣🤣🤣
Top 30-35
Top 25-30 seems to be a good range
Pippen is not top 40
I have Pippen ranked 27th on my top 100.
Yes I made a list bc I was bored as hell during quarantine. And as the playoffs went on I made adjustments
Solid arguments, completely agree
Nice one, I would like to see the analytics vid about Manu.
Sucking at baseball? Only in comparison to other pro baseball players that played it their whole lives. You know how near-impossible it is to play with any degree of success in the Majors or even the Minors in baseball in your 30’s, having not played since HS, and dedicated your life to an entirely different sport? That is a one-in-a-million freak of nature amongst one-in-a-million freaks of nature. Guys like Brock Lesner and Bo Jackson.
I've personally never thought Scottie carried the Bulls without Mj but for the longest time his mvp campaign wasn't getting talked about, as for his next season Scottie was a disgruntled star trying to leave and no longer had Horace Grant on top of Mj, until of course Mj came back, Scottie could've been the best player on a championship team though and that is where I stand on that, altbough I have watched the Knicks seriesnon UA-cam and if memory served me right Scottie did get injured at some point in that series, plus the Knicks are jusy a really good defensive team during the 90's in general
Most people who are considered underrated have a similar play style to Scottie Pippen. That’s why many people think of him as underrated. He had the kind of play style that is typically only respected by BBall junkies.
Pippen: 200+stl/100+blk season without all defense team = underrated
Kobe:
@Noah Da Silva Why? How?
I hate what this Michael Jordan documentary has done to Scottie Pippen. 😑😑😑
Top 10 perimeter defenders of all time (not married to this order, but...)
Scottie
MJ
Kawhi
Ron Artest
Gary Payton
LBJ
Kobe
Sidney Moncrief
Michael Cooper
Alvin Robertson
Honorable mentions to
Dennis Rodman
Paul George
Joe Dumars
Tony Allen
DWade
Let me know who I’m missing
Rodman over LBJ as a defender easily. 2 time DPOY, this man is arguably the best defender of all time in any position and yes he did guard the perimeter a mostly earlier in his career. Also, I would put Ron artest up there as well at least over Paul George
Love some rusty buckets at night
Scottie Pippen is one of the greatest two-way players of all time!
I mentioned this in my most recent upload while I'm working my way up as a UA-camr while celebrating my Lakers making the Finals but also what this means for LeBron's legacy. I just kept it short and linked this video in the description for those who want to overrate Scottie Pippen like crazy.
During the 1993/1994 season the bulls won 55 games and pippen missed 10 games that year and the bulls went 4 and 6 without pippen and 4 of those losses were 1 point to the Celtics and sonics 2 points to the kings and 7 points to the rockets had pippen not missed those 10 games the bulls would've have won 58 games and that was with Pete Myers a journeyman who replaced Jordan at the shooting guard. Pippen was third in the MVP voting and won all star game MVP. Pete Myers averaged only 7.9 points a game that year and shot 43 percent from the field. Plus Jerry Krause refused to get the two more shooters the bulls really needed before the 1994 trade deadline.
Pippen is still underrated because He is way better than Kobe Bryant.
In 1995 Bull was on pace to finish 7th before Jordan returned
u should do a top 50 current players, would be cool too
Scottie pippen is not the 32-35th best player ever. Lol. I can name 70 historic players mix with today’s players over pippen. Off the top of my head. I bet if I thought about it. I could name more
I get why the Bulls players would say that, contract wise although Scottie made the mistake of signing a terrible contract it should've been altered to match his production and status as a star and vital piece of the Bull's success.
However he's need been underrated by the people. People say that MJ made him, but they don't usually say that he's not top 50 because of that, they are simply foolishly discrediting the talent and work ethic he had. However, he was recognised as a TOP 50 player of ALL TIME, before he had even played a decade in the NBA. After retiring, his position has generally stayed the same and with all the research people have been doing and the way players play today people are recognising the significant impact that Pippen had on the way the wing position is played.
This reminds me of Kobe getting 2 finals mvps when he played decent for his standards at best, and gasol carried them and deserved them
Without Jordan pippen would still be top 30-50 of all time probably. Without pippen Jordan will not win many titles
Scotty is a glorified Payton because he played with Jordan. Wherever you rank Payton Scotty should be close they're the same player.
During the 1994/1995 season during the first 65 games Jordan was still retired the bulls were 34 and 31 and 34 and 29 in games pippen played in the reason the bulls struggled was because they lost Horace grant and Scott Williams to free agency. Rebounding and interior defense especially at the power forward position were the only reason they struggled. but the bulls were still in the sixth seed when Jordan came back and was just 3 games out of the fifth seed and was ahead of the Hawks 32/32 by 1 1/2 games and the nets were the eight seed with a 26/39 record when Jordan came back. The Celtics finished with the eight seed with a 35 and 47 record. Pippen was leading the bulls in every team category and the bulls were going to make the playoffs if Jordan don't come back. I believe the bulls would have won 42 to 45 games if Jordan don't come back and and stay in the sixth seed or possibly catch the Cavs who were the fifth seed with a 36/27 record.
Yeah he is, that dude is top 20 all-time. The most versatile player in league history and balancer of the bulls. On his own he was a top 2 player in the league and MVP candidate. He's often chopped down because he played alongside MJ, but those of its ship really watch the game know how sensational and instrumental he was.
Versatile wnd definitely great but more a jack of all trades that was good at a lot but not the best except maybe defender at the 3.
Scotty was never better than Jordan or Hakeem, so when was he the 2nd best player in the NBA? KG is who you think Scotty was.
@@87mchale.71 Who said he was dude? If you can read I never said that. I said that when MJ retired scottie was a top 2 player and he was that's why he, the dream and Robinson were top 3 in mvp voting. I meant what I said
@@Swayzee33 I don't understand why y'all overrate Scotty. Scotty wasn't better than Shaq, Ewing, Robinson, Malone etc. He literally played sidekick to Barkley but he was supposedly the 3rd best player in the NBA.
I hate when people say scotties half court game was average/limited and love to leave out the fact that we are talking about among the GREATEST scorers of ALL TIME! like dude AVERAGE is like jabari parkers 14ppg last season or reggie jacksons 12ppg year now! WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SCOTTIE PIPPENS SCORING ABILITY WHEN COMPARING IT TO DUDES LIKE JORDAN AND TMAC AND OTHER GUYS WHO WERE A BUCKET EVERY TIME THEY TOUCHED THE BALL! In the year where he was the primary scorer after jordan retired he finished with 24 ppg off 50% shooting with an all star mvp and top 3 in mvp voting and a 55 win record with a trash squad where steve kerr and tony kukoch were the 2nd and third option! Pippen is an all time great scorer who had a killer mid range post game albiet not as effective as jordans! But to say he is a average half court scorer is disrespectful unless your talking about compared to the other all time greats
Not a trash squad. He still has all the important players from the first threepeat and most from the second. Better supporting cast than the first threepeat. Grant, Armstrong, Kukoc were the best options
@@jasonturner6459 lol listen to yourself man. He had horace grant and a HALF season of armstrong. Meanwhile there was teams like clyde and hakeem & magic/worthy lakeshow and penny and shaq magic🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@ItsHappyHourArchived Didn't say great. Said it wasn't trash. Scottie was a great jack of all trades sort of guy. He wasn't a great scorer or midrange scorer. He was a mediocre one. He was just ok in a halfcourt offense. During the second threepeat playoffs,he wasn't even the primary focus of the defense and averaged 17 on 41 percent. Wasn't efficient in ,94 against the Knicks either. He wasn't even the best perimeter scorer outside Jordan in his own time, let alone all time
Nothing but facts here 🙌🏾
These are all fair points, and I don't think prime Pippen could be the #1 option on a championship team. Maybe it's best all-around player, but you'd still need some scoring specialist beside him and a hell of a squad.
The one quibble I'd have is that the '95 Bulls weren't a good team and he was having an outstanding year leading the team in points, assists, boards, steals and blocks at one point well into the season. You left that part out. He was the only reason they were above .500 when Mike got back. And Mike couldn't carry that team with Pippen anywhere until they got more help.
The reason that us "old heads" tend to say Pippen is underrated is that Jordan was such a phenomenon. Your generation can't understand it. Kobe, Brady, Manning, even Lebron are absolutely nothing in terms of cultural impact. MJ was so much bigger than basketball it's unimaginable. There were literally billions of casual fans worldwide who talked like Mike carried a bunch of dead fish to the title year after year. Your dad was a Bulls fan. He knew better. So did real fans then, but the whole world was in absolute awe of Jordan. The mere suggestion that he got a lot of help was laughed aside in a way that can't be done today and it was disparaging, especially to Pippen. History has been much kinder to Pippen than contemporary opinion.
Pippen was better at open outside shots than MJ. Facts
open 3s yeah
Regular Season 3P%: MJ (32.7%) > Pippen (32.6%)
Playoffs 3P%: MJ (33.2%) > Pippen (30.3%)
Finals 3P%: MJ (36.8%) > Pippen (25.6%)
Not sure where you get this notion that Pippen was a better outside shooter... Probably just out of your ass
The owner and Scottie's own agents told him not to sign it. Also, lost in the debate is the fact the new CBA in '95 prevented player's contracts from being immediately re-negotiated and eliminated balloon payments tacking on $ at the end of a contract. Scottie literally could not get a raise or new contract when he asked for it in '95 and '96, which MJ likely realized. Hence the selfish comment.