Oba Ela Ifa, I really appreciate your matured ways of life with explainations you both gave during the talk with oba Solomon. Thanks so much Prince Adenrele
Men judge generally more by the eye than by the hand because it belongs to everybody in Yoruba land the similarity and difference between Ejiogbe, Bible, and Quran to see, too few to come in touch with every Yoruba worldwide. This is a good discussion from Oba Ela and Oba Solomon the wisdom and knowledge they share is very classic and standard, both are mature handling this issue with a point to point clarity, last until the Yoruba tradition religion worldwide has book agree by all Topnotch High Priest in Yoruba land it may take some years to get this right and perfect till then.
This man that's saying Oba Solomon didn't learn ifa is making people who want to learn ifa complex, ifa supposed to be available for all yorubas before white people came and introduced their religion to us, yorubas who are into ifa mustn't make it hard or believe that it's not something that could be readily available for everyone to learn like bible or Quran. I support what Oba Solomon said that all ifa priests should come together and make a book available that can be easy for all yorubas to access, understand and believe.
The same reason you take wine when you are performing holy communion. All these things are ritualistic in nature, but because oyinbo brought it, you consider it holy. These are domas, and dogmas becloud reasoning.
Oga don't say it is not possible everything is possible in this life. As Oba Solomon have said you can write odu ifa into a universal book like a Bible and others.
The discussion of the two parties on IFA, Orunmila and Jesu Christ are the same what is missing is the presence of Spiritual interpreter ( Holy Spirit) Oba Solomon is purely right and absolutely right.
King Solomon should calm down, learn and decide which way to go. IT IS HIGHLY IMPOSSIBLE TO COMBINE THE THREE RELIGIONS they are not same though may have some similarities.
Please to all ours traditional people who they're not coward what's the way out about fulani killing my lovely yoruba people back home please oooo youth should wake up now before is too late
The premise on which Solomon's questions are based is completely wrong. Ifa predates Christianity and Islam. Why can't it be the other way around that these latter religions did not copy the older religions? What Solomon wants is an abbreviated version of the Ifa Religion like they gave us with the Bible in which Roman emperor Constantin collected stories about Christianity and excluded some to give us the modern Bible thereby making the story of the religion incomplete albeit accepted by the followers of the religion. Since he did not allow the Ifa priests to fully explain themselves, he id not know the breadth of each Ifa Odu which can have up to a thousand stories. That the Babalawos are able to remember them is a feat in itself! Solomon falls into the trap of the white people when they say that Africans have no history just because they were not written down. They did this to discount the vast knowledge that Africans have accumulated over the millenia in order to discredit them and promote their own culture and religion. Africans were physically enslaved once but their mental slavery still persist. Bob Marley said "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery for none but ourselves can free our minds..." Even in the Bible that Solomon read, it says my people perish because they do not know or forgot... Western education does not mean wisdom or knowledge. Its a shame that we know more about the white religions than our own. until we reverse this trend, we Africans are doomed.
Oro naa, ko yee eni kankan ninu yin, eyan bere oro lowoyin e n rojo,, edalohun kowa splaye tie, efun laye e n da ejo bolee, now tiyin leso eje ko so tie.
Where ignorance is bliss, it is folly to be wise. It is obvious from the video that Solomon had a mindset before engaging in the conversation. Why do African have this inferiority complex that anything that comes from the Oyinbo people is superior to ours? That is colonial mentality. Solomon should purge himself of the adulterated story he was basing his argument on. Yoruba tradition must be preserved by all means by all and sundry. Aboru Aboye.
Abeg, 😂😂 This one that Oba Solomon saying its God that impregnated (sex with ) mary. Na scam oooooo... Who tell us that God is Human or can meet with flesh to produce... He is the Most highest in Supreme being... Not of flesh...
You're wrong! Jesus was taken from a civilized society into less civilized society... for safety! Who told you that Africa was more developed than Arab world!!!
Is today I know that oba Solomon doesn't know anything about religion. There is no name called Jesus, the name of Jesus came in during the slave trade. The first ship that took our forefathers away from Ghana is called Jesus and many of them are called Christian and Priest, the slave trade was started by Christian Priest. So Stop claiming as if you know everything and learn. Your ancestors are not Christian, before Christianity came to Africa our forefathers as been doing or worship something and they are doing well.
We can't compare Christianity with ifa, the worship of orisa, idols is in the old testament. There's no jesus christ in Ifa so please don't bring jesus into ifa Is this not this ifa that put so many in bondage that they have to do deliverant from? A lot has come into Christianity and are still battling with the consequence of the worship of idols by their forefather now seeking deliverance from the almighty God. If ifa is good why is ifa troubling them, is it by force. Ifa is troubling them because unknowingly to them because they have been contaminated by the idols of the fire fathers which is the osa idile troubling them not wanting them to go, some have been dedicated to osa idile before coming to christ What is Amala has to do with cheistianity, it can only be found in Ifa Bible is very straight forward, explicit and it is all recorded and no confusion. Why is there so many sacrifice in ifa priesthood. Sacrifice for everything, No wonder so many fear ifa, orisa, deities more than the real God who is merciful. There are so many ifa priest covering up to be pastors this days. . Real pastors do not believe in ifa or worship ifa. It is an insult to say some pastors worship ifa, it is not true at all. It is the other way round, ifa priest covering up to be pastors and also an ogboni member in the church but God in his mercy command us to leave them, let them continue to come to church but in the last day they shall be separated I once came across an oluwo who pretend to be a pastor but with much discernment I was able to escape the the snares of the enemy. What could have been simple Prayer turns to sacrifice in orita meta and buying of pig if ifa is that good why pretending to be Christian and trying to lure people into isese and demon worship. That's is the only reason why I agree with solomon that people should be truthful in their belief. Calling up of the dead is witcraft in the bible, why would you call up the dead, what for? There's no fellowship between the dead and the living. We don't do sacrifice in the bible, sacrifice is in the old testament, we don't use turari or incense in the bible Bible admonished us not to worship idol or angel. The worship of idols is in the old testament, it is in the Bible but since the coming of jesus christ who is 100% human and 100% God. We no longer do sacrifice. Jesus is the sacrificial lamb once and for all In the old testament there were lots of atonement, sacrifices but all that has been done way with. If I want to know about my purpose or destiny, I do not have to go through any form of initiation. God can speaks directly to me, God speaks to anyone that want to know him. Religion or serving God should not be complicated at all. Pls listen to this, if anyone want to know the true God, go into your closest and pray to God with fasting, ask God to reveal Himself to you through prayer, you do not even need the Bible for God to reveal himself to you. Just be quiet in your room with all sincerity and ask the true God who made heaven and earth to reveal himself to you and be determine. You do not need initiation or the Bible or quaran for this. You cannot not Learn God but you can pray in your language and ask him to reveal himself to you without being bias. Fasting humble us and allow us to hear clearly from God. Just ask the true God to reveal himself to you. God can direct you on what to do and how to serve him better through the reading of His word and with the help of matured Christians and pastors. A lot of Christians too worship their pastor instead of worshipping God. The word of God admonished us to listen to pastors teaching but not to worship them, not to worship angel or sacrifice to any idol. We believe in the true word of God. The Bible is the breath of God,it is historical... Reading of the Bible develop your faith after you have known God. You can give your life to christ in your bedroom not necessarily in the church. Where do you learn ifa??? Read Genesis 1. In the begining.... Read john 5 about jesus. The entrance of the word of God brings light. Read with understand and I pray God will minister to anyone reading this ua-cam.com/video/e3HLK6k50VE/v-deo.html Ifa is not documented, ifa is dogman, and so there's bound to be confusion, we also have man made idiology in Christianity as well but the true worshipper will worship God in spirit and in truth.
May god bless you sir,lets hold on to faith in the lord,all this i am not interested at all,this people need intervention of holy spirit and change their believe, all of them
@@oluwaseyiakinsoyinu5698 human bean are full of the knowledge of what they read and listen to... lets us atliist hear from the other side of knowledge and not to judge for God himself. its only God Almighty that no the beginning and the end truth of every words of man.
Oba Solomon is confused, totally confused. The Old Testament is oldest oldest story about God. The Old Testament is older than Hindu, Bhudda, Islam, Africa Traditional Religion & all world religions. ATR is based on myths.
Oba Ela is not the best candidate for this debate. I am actually disappointed in his performance in this debate. What is the Yoruba man’s business with Jesus or Mohammed. Please stop this nonsense. A man that is not even initiated lecturing a Babalawo. Unbelievable nonsense.
Are you sure you listened to the discussion or you are making up your own conclusion without listening or understanding. He only said that the Ela story in Ifa share a similarly to the story of Jesus. He didn't say there is Jesus or Mohammed in Ifa.
Who is Orunmila? Who is Obatala? How can Obatala be the human creator. I think each one should worship whatever they believe if. Ifa followers worship different other gods, Let ifa worshipper stick to their gods and let Christians stick to their own God. Too many Orisas from the ifa priest, they mentioned, orunmila, obantala, Ela and all sort. Everything is culled from the Bible with so many twist. Some even said Esu is should be worship, Esu is good. This is serious! Who is Orisa oko Who is yemoja This is all nonesense Bible is very explicit Please read Genesis on how God created the earth Read john 5
Isese has caused a lot of problem. Isese is idol worship we don't fight for God, God fight for himself, Christians defend the word of God but we don't fight for God. If ifa is true let him fight for himself
Your ifa is not merciful, our God is merciful, his mercy endure forever . A lot of people suffer the consequence of our forefather worshiping idol. Why should osa idile trouble people for not worshiping the osa. The worship of Osa and sacrifices is bondage. I want to believe the same God created the whole world and expect us to serve one God. But a lot of Africans and some still stick to the worship of idol from the old testament the western world is not left out some of them worship other gods as well but the true worshipper will worship God in spirit and in truth. Pls do away with sacrifices, no true christian perform sacrifice. Our sacrifice is praises to our God, that's all. We do not need to go through any pastor or any human beings to communicate to God. Christian do not need use fish, fowl, Kola etc to offer prayer to God. We are created by God and the spirit of God lives in all human beings but its now up to individual to listen to the spirit of God in them. We are all spirit in a human body. Once we die the spirit go back to his maker. Spirit don't die, the body die but the spirit lives on it is the same God that created black and white and he expect us to serve him alone.
@@ADE-of-LAGOS I did listen to the whole interview and still not convinced that he has done well handling the questions posed to him. This is not to disrespect him in any way though. May Olodumare continue to show us the path to thread. Ire o!
This Solomon know nothing about ifa he is just jumping, nobody should listen to Solomon because he know nothing about knowledge of ifa, even bible and Quran
Oba Ela Ifa, I really appreciate your matured ways of life with explainations you both gave during the talk with oba Solomon. Thanks so much
Prince Adenrele
Thank you oba ela ifa , I really love your explanation and oba Solomon need to learn more about ifa before talking about ifa
Oba Ela , thank so much for this I really learnt from you , I Stan with tradition
If you listen to oba solomon very well oba solomon is very right
In what way sir? He is just dogmatic, not interested in other people's opinion because he already had a mindset
Sir , the illustration/ eplaination is very in important in IFA as u u are explaining i really gain something in it thanks baba IFA
You are all doing well God we bless you all more than these
Men judge generally more by the eye than by the hand because it belongs to everybody in Yoruba land the similarity and difference between Ejiogbe, Bible, and Quran to see, too few to come in touch with every Yoruba worldwide. This is a good discussion from Oba Ela and Oba Solomon the wisdom and knowledge they share is very classic and standard, both are mature handling this issue with a point to point clarity, last until the Yoruba tradition religion worldwide has book agree by all Topnotch High Priest in Yoruba land it may take some years to get this right and perfect till then.
Amazing and best of wisdom.
This is just pure knowledge if na those alfa na curse they go they curse him without any explanation..shame to them
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Oba ela 9ice one my brother
This man that's saying Oba Solomon didn't learn ifa is making people who want to learn ifa complex, ifa supposed to be available for all yorubas before white people came and introduced their religion to us, yorubas who are into ifa mustn't make it hard or believe that it's not something that could be readily available for everyone to learn like bible or Quran. I support what Oba Solomon said that all ifa priests should come together and make a book available that can be easy for all yorubas to access, understand and believe.
Thank for the wisdom, my question is , why GIN is very important for Babalawo before they can do anything?
The same reason you take wine when you are performing holy communion. All these things are ritualistic in nature, but because oyinbo brought it, you consider it holy. These are domas, and dogmas becloud reasoning.
Oga don't say it is not possible everything is possible in this life. As Oba Solomon have said you can write odu ifa into a universal book like a Bible and others.
One love 💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕
The discussion of the two parties on IFA, Orunmila and Jesu Christ are the same what is missing is the presence of Spiritual interpreter ( Holy Spirit) Oba Solomon is purely right and absolutely right.
Thank you so much oba ela.... oba Solomon is not serious jare
Adupę fun isę takun takun ti ę gbe se Lori apere Oro yi pęlu Oba Salomon , Abori boye Aboye bo sisę
Aboru.boye o Ifa, ejowo Baba , Orisa wo nile Youruba lo kundun aso pupa ati olowo osi re also fun fun ni wiwo. Oba Adesola lati Ewekoro Ogun state
King Solomon should calm down, learn and decide which way to go. IT IS HIGHLY IMPOSSIBLE TO COMBINE THE THREE RELIGIONS they are not same though may have some similarities.
Oba Solomon is a very talented man,
Please to all ours traditional people who they're not coward what's the way out about fulani killing my lovely yoruba people back home please oooo youth should wake up now before is too late
If Oba Solomon iwe ifa is not that of Ifalere which other one is he using please I want to know 🙏🙏🙏
Let ask him o
The premise on which Solomon's questions are based is completely wrong. Ifa predates Christianity and Islam. Why can't it be the other way around that these latter religions did not copy the older religions? What Solomon wants is an abbreviated version of the Ifa Religion like they gave us with the Bible in which Roman emperor Constantin collected stories about Christianity and excluded some to give us the modern Bible thereby making the story of the religion incomplete albeit accepted by the followers of the religion. Since he did not allow the Ifa priests to fully explain themselves, he id not know the breadth of each Ifa Odu which can have up to a thousand stories. That the Babalawos are able to remember them is a feat in itself! Solomon falls into the trap of the white people when they say that Africans have no history just because they were not written down. They did this to discount the vast knowledge that Africans have accumulated over the millenia in order to discredit them and promote their own culture and religion. Africans were physically enslaved once but their mental slavery still persist. Bob Marley said "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery for none but ourselves can free our minds..." Even in the Bible that Solomon read, it says my people perish because they do not know or forgot... Western education does not mean wisdom or knowledge. Its a shame that we know more about the white religions than our own. until we reverse this trend, we Africans are doomed.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 He said what the heard from their father...is what they're saying!!
Jesus was crucified & ressurrected for all of you.
Thank u Sri
Complicated issues. He said Baba Ifatomilola believe that Orunmila is Jesus Christ and these two people said nothing like that.
Ogbo atoo fun gbogbo awon Babalawo otito ti won se idajuko fun Oba Salomoon
Problem you all having is comparing each religion to another
Wahala wa oooh is orunmila an Angel, human being, alujonu?
Oro naa, ko yee eni kankan ninu yin, eyan bere oro lowoyin e n rojo,, edalohun kowa splaye tie, efun laye e n da ejo bolee, now tiyin leso eje ko so tie.
My people, oba Soloman is saying the right things, but based on Yoruba secret you know what I mean base on one or two polopolo 😆
What is the meaning of ki obirin so de ifa
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Please Baba what is the English name of ewe tanaposo sir
Do you want to know the leaf or just want to know the name?
Only the English name
Surprisingly those babalawo are bible scholars 😂😂😂
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solomon, iwo gangan ni onikotokoto ni e.
Where ignorance is bliss, it is folly to be wise. It is obvious from the video that Solomon had a mindset before engaging in the conversation. Why do African have this inferiority complex that anything that comes from the Oyinbo people is superior to ours? That is colonial mentality. Solomon should purge himself of the adulterated story he was basing his argument on. Yoruba tradition must be preserved by all means by all and sundry.
Aboru Aboye.
Aboye bosise o ogbo ato
Abeg, 😂😂 This one that Oba Solomon saying its God that impregnated (sex with ) mary. Na scam oooooo... Who tell us that God is Human or can meet with flesh to produce... He is the Most highest in Supreme being... Not of flesh...
Believe me baba, you really don't have to even talk to this guy at all, his just looking for fame by all means.....
Lol..pure katikati
Elaboru
What nonsense is obasolomon saying??? 😂
Ogbo ato Omo iya mi
You're wrong! Jesus was taken from a civilized society into less civilized society... for safety! Who told you that Africa was more developed than Arab world!!!
Oga you don't learn ifa but you learn Bible 🤣🤣🤣. Please claim down and learn
Is today I know that oba Solomon doesn't know anything about religion.
There is no name called Jesus, the name of Jesus came in during the slave trade.
The first ship that took our forefathers away from Ghana is called Jesus and many of them are called Christian and Priest, the slave trade was started by Christian Priest.
So Stop claiming as if you know everything and learn.
Your ancestors are not Christian, before Christianity came to Africa our forefathers as been doing or worship something and they are doing well.
Y'll make sure you don't die in these shits...
We can't compare Christianity with ifa, the worship of orisa, idols is in the old testament.
There's no jesus christ in Ifa so please don't bring jesus into ifa Is this not this ifa that put so many in bondage that they have to do deliverant from? A lot has come into Christianity and are still battling with the consequence of the worship of idols by their forefather now seeking deliverance from the almighty God.
If ifa is good why is ifa troubling them, is it by force. Ifa is troubling them because unknowingly to them because they have been contaminated by the idols of the fire fathers which is the osa idile troubling them not wanting them to go, some have been dedicated to osa idile before coming to christ
What is Amala has to do with cheistianity, it can only be found in Ifa
Bible is very straight forward, explicit and it is all recorded and no confusion.
Why is there so many sacrifice in ifa priesthood. Sacrifice for everything,
No wonder so many fear ifa, orisa, deities more than the real God who is merciful.
There are so many ifa priest covering up to be pastors this days. . Real pastors do not believe in ifa or worship ifa.
It is an insult to say some pastors worship ifa, it is not true at all. It is the other way round, ifa priest covering up to be pastors and also an ogboni member in the church but God in his mercy command us to leave them, let them continue to come to church but in the last day they shall be separated
I once came across an oluwo who pretend to be a pastor but with much discernment I was able to escape the the snares of the enemy. What could have been simple Prayer turns to sacrifice in orita meta and buying of pig if ifa is that good why pretending to be Christian and trying to lure people into isese and demon worship. That's is the only reason why I agree with solomon that people should be truthful in their belief.
Calling up of the dead is witcraft in the bible, why would you call up the dead, what for? There's no fellowship between the dead and the living.
We don't do sacrifice in the bible, sacrifice is in the old testament, we don't use turari or incense in the bible
Bible admonished us not to worship idol or angel.
The worship of idols is in the old testament, it is in the Bible but since the coming of jesus christ who is 100% human and 100% God. We no longer do sacrifice. Jesus is the sacrificial lamb once and for all
In the old testament there were lots of atonement, sacrifices but all that has been done way with.
If I want to know about my purpose or destiny, I do not have to go through any form of initiation. God can speaks directly to me, God speaks to anyone that want to know him. Religion or serving God should not be complicated at all.
Pls listen to this, if anyone want to know the true God, go into your closest and pray to God with fasting, ask God to reveal Himself to you through prayer, you do not even need the Bible for God to reveal himself to you. Just be quiet in your room with all sincerity and ask the true God who made heaven and earth to reveal himself to you and be determine.
You do not need initiation or the Bible or quaran for this.
You cannot not Learn God but you can pray in your language and ask him to reveal himself to you without being bias.
Fasting humble us and allow us to hear clearly from God.
Just ask the true God to reveal himself to you. God can direct you on what to do and how to serve him better through the reading of His word and with the help of matured Christians and pastors.
A lot of Christians too worship their pastor instead of worshipping God. The word of God admonished us to listen to pastors teaching but not to worship them, not to worship angel or sacrifice to any idol.
We believe in the true word of God. The Bible is the breath of God,it is historical...
Reading of the Bible develop your faith after you have known God. You can give your life to christ in your bedroom not necessarily in the church.
Where do you learn ifa???
Read Genesis 1. In the begining....
Read john 5 about jesus. The entrance of the word of God brings light. Read with understand and I pray God will minister to anyone reading this ua-cam.com/video/e3HLK6k50VE/v-deo.html
Ifa is not documented, ifa is dogman, and so there's bound to be confusion, we also have man made idiology in Christianity as well but the true worshipper will worship God in spirit and in truth.
You spoke with 100 % ignorance , what is difference between idols and deities.
That's why the Man said Eledumare (God) sent Orunmila to earth and direct people into the right direction just like Jesus came to earth.
May god bless you sir,lets hold on to faith in the lord,all this i am not interested at all,this people need intervention of holy spirit and change their believe, all of them
What about oduduwa ,we have Christ compare to this orisa.
@@oluwaseyiakinsoyinu5698 human bean are full of the knowledge of what they read and listen to... lets us atliist hear from the other side of knowledge and not to judge for God himself. its only God Almighty that no the beginning and the end truth of every words of man.
To me, oba solomoni is not wise. You ask questions but you don’t want explanations. Wtf is that?.
Oba Solomon is confused, totally confused. The Old Testament is oldest oldest story about God. The Old Testament is older than Hindu, Bhudda, Islam, Africa Traditional Religion & all world religions. ATR is based on myths.
Oba Ela is not the best candidate for this debate. I am actually disappointed in his performance in this debate. What is the Yoruba man’s business with Jesus or Mohammed. Please stop this nonsense. A man that is not even initiated lecturing a Babalawo. Unbelievable nonsense.
Are you sure you listened to the discussion or you are making up your own conclusion without listening or understanding. He only said that the Ela story in Ifa share a similarly to the story of Jesus. He didn't say there is Jesus or Mohammed in Ifa.
Who is Orunmila?
Who is Obatala?
How can Obatala be the human creator.
I think each one should worship whatever they believe if.
Ifa followers worship different other gods,
Let ifa worshipper stick to their gods and let Christians stick to their own God.
Too many Orisas from the ifa priest, they mentioned, orunmila, obantala, Ela and all sort.
Everything is culled from the Bible with so many twist.
Some even said Esu is should be worship, Esu is good. This is serious!
Who is Orisa oko
Who is yemoja
This is all nonesense
Bible is very explicit
Please read Genesis on how God created the earth
Read john 5
Isese has caused a lot of problem. Isese is idol worship we don't fight for God, God fight for himself, Christians defend the word of God but we don't fight for God. If ifa is true let him fight for himself
Your ifa is not merciful, our God is merciful, his mercy endure forever . A lot of people suffer the consequence of our forefather worshiping idol. Why should osa idile trouble people for not worshiping the osa. The worship of Osa and sacrifices is bondage.
I want to believe the same God created the whole world and expect us to serve one God. But a lot of Africans and some still stick to the worship of idol from the old testament the western world is not left out some of them worship other gods as well but the true worshipper will worship God in spirit and in truth. Pls do away with sacrifices, no true christian perform sacrifice. Our sacrifice is praises to our God, that's all. We do not need to go through any pastor or any human beings to communicate to God.
Christian do not need use fish, fowl, Kola etc to offer prayer to God.
We are created by God and the spirit of God lives in all human beings but its now up to individual to listen to the spirit of God in them. We are all spirit in a human body. Once we die the spirit go back to his maker. Spirit don't die, the body die but the spirit lives on it is the same God that created black and white and he expect us to serve him alone.
@@ADE-of-LAGOS I did listen to the whole interview and still not convinced that he has done well handling the questions posed to him. This is not to disrespect him in any way though. May Olodumare continue to show us the path to thread. Ire o!
Oba Solomon ko ni imo to jinle nipa Ifa. He is a confusionist and a lunatic.
All of this people are not serious...... You all don't know what you are saying.
Solomon, please calm down. You're just jumping everywhere. Stay on one point and iron it out. Your foolishness is not holding on any of us here.
This oba Solomon is not human being
This Solomon know nothing about ifa he is just jumping, nobody should listen to Solomon because he know nothing about knowledge of ifa, even bible and Quran
You guys are saying rubbish
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solomon, iwo gan lo n sina awon eniyan. With your stupidity.
Getout you people we just come here saying nonsense,they are only trying to understand eachother