I have some corrections to data in Cooler Testing. A12x25 NN 1.6m/s and max 2.4m/s. Between this videos publication and others I ran a check on my anemometer and corrected some data point.
I like how it has RGB but still looks plain black with it turned off so I dont need to worry about it looking out of place if I decide to not use the RGB. As I'm using them right now on an old build that I plan to bring to a new build in the near future
Appreciate all the graphs! we can actually see the difference in terms of cfm and noise levels and cost effectiveness between brands. But ultimately i think people wanna see how much is the difference in terms of “temperature” of the system mainly cpu and gpu. Because at the end, that the main purpose of case fans, which is to cool your pc. Anyways still grateful for your effort, you earned yourself a sub !
I actually want to add temp testing but I dont have the spare $$ to just go and build a test system. I would actually need like 2 to 3 systems. 1 air cooler, 1 Rad, and one for pc case simulation. I am a small , very small channel. I dont have "revenue" like larger ones. So I have to fit in my channels limitations. I have a planned v3 of my testing method and I'm just waiting to reach the point I've "made?" enough from ads and patron and youtube membership to buy all the equipment. to then overhaul the testing. I have a piece on my channel about what tests i want for v3 of my method. Overall I am pretty happy with what and how ive tested with the limitations. :) Thank you for the sub. I appreciate that. and thank you for watching.
I have 3 of these as front intake. At full speed, they are almost silent. Cheap, effective and pretty. It gets the job done as case fans. Seems to run better than the specs suggested. You dont need to buy more expensive higher cfm but only run at 50% speed.
I have the Cooler Master TD 500 Mesh case, planning to run 3 in front as intake and 2 in rear as exhaust. Idk if you're familiar with that case, but based on your experience with them, would you recommend them?
I've seen a review that used a unscientific test of blowing a bag away at full speed.. it couldn't do it. That one video made me nervous to put these in anything. Now I'm leaning towards these over the k series. Just from price to the performance you've shown. I really hope your channel takes off, I really enjoy your testing.
These reviews are only getting better. Great work! So it seems that the FDB v2 on the K12 didn't help with performance neither noise. Maybe longevity? Also, there is a reversed version (S12R). Assuming that everything is equal, only the blades are reversed, do you think that the result is comparable with the S12? Comparing prices here in my country, I guess I'm pulling the trigger on the S12 anyway
oh the R is a reverse airflow. Noise and airspeed performance will be a bit worse. like 5-10% in general. I have only tested 1 reverse to this point. video not published yet. its basically to have the pretty side up.
Thanks for the reviews. Love your graphs with other brands/models, they are so helpful. Plan on getting the reverse version (TL-S12R) of these since the halo is broken up at corner on the back and it will show on my case. Have you found reverse version of fans performing differently? No necessarily this model fan but others.
Ive only tested one reverse fan so far. They move a similar amount of air but are noisier by 2-4dB if I recall. and Thank you for watching. Glad it was helpful.
Appreciate the work you've done! Currently, black 3 pack without argb version is 14.59, and white 3 pack with argb is 14.90 so they're like 4.87-4.97 per fan might just grab a pack
@@computer-tech-more np, also, there seems to be yet ANOTHER thermalright fan TL-P12 and from thermalright's website, it seems they rate it be even quieter than the S12, with better static pressure, better cfm, uses less amperage, and the max rpm is the same the non argb version is 9.9, but the argb version is 6.59 each at the moment on amazon too bad there are no 3 packs, i would've tried it out, but i ended up buying the 3 pack s12's a day and a half ago, and they should arrive this afternoon hopefully
nice job! i am trying to find a good and cheep fan, but there is so many fan in the market including some chinse cheep fan. When i find this video, it is very interesting because i can see all the known company that make fans, now i know what fans should i buy!
glad it was helpful. I am looking into getting some of those off brand / unknown fans just to have data because I'm sure someone will buy them going these look just like brand XY.
In some ways they have a problem to many products that they start to compete with themselves. this could actually hurt sales if costumers get confused.
@@computer-tech-more my motherboard only has 12V RGB header, so I bought a DeepCool RGB Hub Converter. But when I connect the fans, it keeps randomly blinking, not stable. The Aura Sync doesn't detect any devices too. So what do you think might be the problem?
@@spectre8211 oh sorry miss understood. going to say no. I think it requires the ARGB 3 pin as for the problem. Ive only started using ARGB with my current build. and then just did Aura Sync made a quick profile called it a day. the RGB side and how to make it work well I am not well versed in sorry.
It is generally recommended to only run a max of 3 fans per mobo fan header. (note some fans (not these) use higher Amperage and you can only run 1 or 2) So depending on the number of fan headers on the mobo yes you can do it
Doesn't the strut count make a big difference with the blade count because the blades interact with the struts at the same time? Kind of like how i3 engines are rougher than i4 cause they're uneven in the firing sequence. Like 3 struts 9 blades is worse because 3 blades pass the struts at the same time. Kind of like the Blacknoise Noiseblocker NB-eLoop 120mm have 6 blades and 4 struts and the noise profile would've been better if it either had 7 blades or 5 struts instead?
hmm sort of. I have a video in the works about fan design where I talk about it. but short answer is Primary fan noise should be just air going thru it. 2ndary noise is bearing and last is the blade passing the struts. When properly designed the 2nd and last are near zero noise. Harmonics are another noise factor: just how a fan vibrates if its not properly balanced or frame not strong enough or blades to thin.. I wouldnt concerned about the noise of the blades passing the struts unless this was a 200RPM + fan. and if you look in the opening picture or where I talk about the fan the blades are not quiet lined up with he struts at even intervals slight offsets. but yes your analogy could be true if all things were equal.
@@computer-tech-more thanks so much! I thought they did something different like arctic did with the P12 white fan. Your reviews are getting better and better. I appreciate your in depth content and work into everything. Computer fans are a fun hobby!
@@SPPACATR thanks. Fan design is pretty cool to analyse. if I get to a size like a GN and do a store or sell products I want to sell my own PC fans (my own designed) and cases. haha.
@@computer-tech-more I would certainly be interested in buying them. Have you considered contacting a company like Noctua and asking to work for them? I am sure you would thrive there and be a great addition.
@@ThePerson1257 Do you mean the vertical topics like bar GN uses in their news videos? Ill have to think about that. It might take a bit to add that. I have a lot videos already filmed but waiting to be edited together.
@@computer-tech-more "I am also a professional aerospace engineer. " appeal to authority logical fallacy. it seems suspect due to relative performance to P28 and A12x25. The results don't line up with published cfm/db specs. The units of the test air speed vs distance seem a bit odd as well and might have something to do with it. Why wouldn't you be measuring noise vs CFM like everyone else? I assume you are not testing these in a tunnel to capture and measure all the cfm. And I just don't believe this $7 non LCP fan is beating a a12x25 on a cooler. Too good to be true. Smells off.
@@madamcurie-yg5sr So its actually quality of equipment. Between this video on like 1 or 2 after it I ran a half year of use check with the anemometer. Video published with data that was considered correct at that time. A12x25 now verified at 1.6m/s NN and 2.4m/s 100%. Newer videos I check against A12x25 before every test or verified consistency and can apply a correction if needed in the future. The S12 performance since this has maintained its position. I dont do CFM because I am not scientifically testing a fan against a manufactures claims. I am real world testing a fan. This the main problem I have being a small un-funded channel. I cant afford the high quality equipment I want and need to have the "best" data. I have a methodology piece on my channel that goes over my method. Its not my end goal just what I can do with an non sponsored channel or one with very limited youtube and patreon support.
@@computer-tech-more "I dont do CFM because I am not scientifically testing a fan against a manufactures claims. I am real world testing a fan." except testing air speed isn't a real world test either and is less meaningful than CFM. Air dispersal patterns as it exists the fan is going to affect how well air speed correlates to CFM(what we actually care about) and that pattern is going to be different for each fan. If you can't properly test CFM, A useful real world test would be to measure temps on a standardized testbench with a somewhat calibrated heat load. Ideally against different resistive loads, heatsink, radiator, etc.
I have some corrections to data in Cooler Testing. A12x25 NN 1.6m/s and max 2.4m/s.
Between this videos publication and others I ran a check on my anemometer and corrected some data point.
I like how it has RGB but still looks plain black with it turned off so I dont need to worry about it looking out of place if I decide to not use the RGB. As I'm using them right now on an old build that I plan to bring to a new build in the near future
I also tend to like subtle RBG. Glad to hear these fans are working out in your system.
Appreciate all the graphs! we can actually see the difference in terms of cfm and noise levels and cost effectiveness between brands.
But ultimately i think people wanna see how much is the difference in terms of “temperature” of the system mainly cpu and gpu. Because at the end, that the main purpose of case fans, which is to cool your pc.
Anyways still grateful for your effort, you earned yourself a sub !
I actually want to add temp testing but I dont have the spare $$ to just go and build a test system. I would actually need like 2 to 3 systems. 1 air cooler, 1 Rad, and one for pc case simulation.
I am a small , very small channel. I dont have "revenue" like larger ones.
So I have to fit in my channels limitations.
I have a planned v3 of my testing method and I'm just waiting to reach the point I've "made?" enough from ads and patron and youtube membership to buy all the equipment. to then overhaul the testing.
I have a piece on my channel about what tests i want for v3 of my method.
Overall I am pretty happy with what and how ive tested with the limitations. :)
Thank you for the sub. I appreciate that. and thank you for watching.
I have 3 of these as front intake. At full speed, they are almost silent. Cheap, effective and pretty. It gets the job done as case fans. Seems to run better than the specs suggested. You dont need to buy more expensive higher cfm but only run at 50% speed.
thank you for sharing your experience. Glad it lines up with he performance I saw in testing.
I have the Cooler Master TD 500 Mesh case, planning to run 3 in front as intake and 2 in rear as exhaust. Idk if you're familiar with that case, but based on your experience with them, would you recommend them?
I've seen a review that used a unscientific test of blowing a bag away at full speed.. it couldn't do it. That one video made me nervous to put these in anything. Now I'm leaning towards these over the k series. Just from price to the performance you've shown.
I really hope your channel takes off, I really enjoy your testing.
thank you I appreciate the kind words. I'm glad its useful :)
These reviews are only getting better. Great work!
So it seems that the FDB v2 on the K12 didn't help with performance neither noise. Maybe longevity?
Also, there is a reversed version (S12R). Assuming that everything is equal, only the blades are reversed, do you think that the result is comparable with the S12?
Comparing prices here in my country, I guess I'm pulling the trigger on the S12 anyway
oh the R is a reverse airflow. Noise and airspeed performance will be a bit worse. like 5-10% in general. I have only tested 1 reverse to this point. video not published yet.
its basically to have the pretty side up.
Thanks for the reviews. Love your graphs with other brands/models, they are so helpful. Plan on getting the reverse version (TL-S12R) of these since the halo is broken up at corner on the back and it will show on my case. Have you found reverse version of fans performing differently? No necessarily this model fan but others.
Ive only tested one reverse fan so far. They move a similar amount of air but are noisier by 2-4dB if I recall.
and Thank you for watching. Glad it was helpful.
Appreciate the work you've done!
Currently, black 3 pack without argb version is 14.59, and white 3 pack with argb is 14.90
so they're like 4.87-4.97 per fan
might just grab a pack
thx for this. basically at that price its unbeatable.
@@computer-tech-more np, also, there seems to be yet ANOTHER thermalright fan
TL-P12
and from thermalright's website, it seems they rate it be even quieter than the S12, with better static pressure, better cfm, uses less amperage, and the max rpm is the same
the non argb version is 9.9, but the argb version is 6.59 each at the moment on amazon
too bad there are no 3 packs, i would've tried it out, but i ended up buying the 3 pack s12's a day and a half ago, and they should arrive this afternoon hopefully
nice job! i am trying to find a good and cheep fan, but there is so many fan in the market including some chinse cheep fan. When i find this video, it is very interesting because i can see all the known company that make fans, now i know what fans should i buy!
glad it was helpful. I am looking into getting some of those off brand / unknown fans just to have data because I'm sure someone will buy them going these look just like brand XY.
@@computer-tech-more here some of the chinese brand in my country, ID-Cooling, PCCOOLER, Jungle Leopard Interstellar V2 ARGB fan, Ocypus, Montech
Thermalright is kicking butt across the board
In some ways they have a problem to many products that they start to compete with themselves. this could actually hurt sales if costumers get confused.
Thermalright released them in reverse mode. I'm curious to see how it turns out 🙂
Ill see what I can do. Thermalright has to many fans haha
What do you think of this fan on a radiator for 7800x3d
thanks for all the comments. So what kind of Rad are you getting a 360? if so 3 of these should be fine. a 240 might not do it.
@ I have a 360 radiator
@@vietcung7970 it should do fine. I would say as long as you dont plan to OC
@ Tks for the reply. I really appreciate
@@vietcung7970 np
On Thermalright product page, I see that some ARGB fans have logos of Aura Sync, Mystic Light,... except TL-S12.
Is this fan compatible with RGB Sync?
it should be. I only have Aura Sync and it was fine. Like should work with most mobo brands or software's
@@computer-tech-more my motherboard only has 12V RGB header, so I bought a DeepCool RGB Hub Converter. But when I connect the fans, it keeps randomly blinking, not stable. The Aura Sync doesn't detect any devices too.
So what do you think might be the problem?
@@spectre8211 oh sorry miss understood. going to say no. I think it requires the ARGB 3 pin
as for the problem. Ive only started using ARGB with my current build. and then just did Aura Sync made a quick profile called it a day. the RGB side and how to make it work well I am not well versed in sorry.
@@computer-tech-more thank you for the answer 😁
Hi! Could I run 8 of these with the x870 elite without a fan hub?
It is generally recommended to only run a max of 3 fans per mobo fan header. (note some fans (not these) use higher Amperage and you can only run 1 or 2)
So depending on the number of fan headers on the mobo yes you can do it
I have a question - can you control the RGB using mystic light or aurasync? Please lemme know, I'm building a new PC
Yes to aurasync, im not familiar witht he other one. but it should work with most RGB softwares.
Doesn't the strut count make a big difference with the blade count because the blades interact with the struts at the same time? Kind of like how i3 engines are rougher than i4 cause they're uneven in the firing sequence.
Like 3 struts 9 blades is worse because 3 blades pass the struts at the same time.
Kind of like the Blacknoise Noiseblocker NB-eLoop 120mm have 6 blades and 4 struts and the noise profile would've been better if it either had 7 blades or 5 struts instead?
hmm sort of. I have a video in the works about fan design where I talk about it.
but short answer is Primary fan noise should be just air going thru it. 2ndary noise is bearing and last is the blade passing the struts.
When properly designed the 2nd and last are near zero noise. Harmonics are another noise factor: just how a fan vibrates if its not properly balanced or frame not strong enough or blades to thin..
I wouldnt concerned about the noise of the blades passing the struts unless this was a 200RPM + fan. and if you look in the opening picture or where I talk about the fan the blades are not quiet lined up with he struts at even intervals slight offsets.
but yes your analogy could be true if all things were equal.
Only W edition? What about the 3 pack?
W just means white. its the same fan in single packs and triple packs so performance is the same, but the fan should be cheaper per fan in a triple.
@@computer-tech-more thanks so much! I thought they did something different like arctic did with the P12 white fan.
Your reviews are getting better and better. I appreciate your in depth content and work into everything. Computer fans are a fun hobby!
@@SPPACATR thanks. Fan design is pretty cool to analyse. if I get to a size like a GN and do a store or sell products I want to sell my own PC fans (my own designed) and cases. haha.
@@computer-tech-more I would certainly be interested in buying them. Have you considered contacting a company like Noctua and asking to work for them? I am sure you would thrive there and be a great addition.
if need to buy it dose it need fan hub ??
no hub needed. it can cable daisy chain fans. not the cable less method many brands are doing now.
Can the PWM and ARGB be daisy chained?
yes.
Time stamps
there are time stamps in the description.
@@ThePerson1257 Do you mean the vertical topics like bar GN uses in their news videos?
Ill have to think about that. It might take a bit to add that. I have a lot videos already filmed but waiting to be edited together.
@@ThePerson1257 ah I have time stamps its supposed to do that automatically. I think.
New value king untill thermalright releases a new fan like they do every 2-3 months that will outperform this and cost like 8.99$ somehow 🥴
haha they ill have to say New new then new new new. hahaa jk.
what got me was the performance price with RGB.
these results seem suspect.
please elaborate. I run every fan thru 3 passes. I am non-sponsored doing it in MY free time.
I am also a professional aerospace engineer.
@@computer-tech-more "I am also a professional aerospace engineer. " appeal to authority logical fallacy.
it seems suspect due to relative performance to P28 and A12x25. The results don't line up with published cfm/db specs. The units of the test air speed vs distance seem a bit odd as well and might have something to do with it. Why wouldn't you be measuring noise vs CFM like everyone else? I assume you are not testing these in a tunnel to capture and measure all the cfm.
And I just don't believe this $7 non LCP fan is beating a a12x25 on a cooler. Too good to be true. Smells off.
@@madamcurie-yg5sr So its actually quality of equipment. Between this video on like 1 or 2 after it I ran a half year of use check with the anemometer. Video published with data that was considered correct at that time. A12x25 now verified at 1.6m/s NN and 2.4m/s 100%. Newer videos I check against A12x25 before every test or verified consistency and can apply a correction if needed in the future.
The S12 performance since this has maintained its position.
I dont do CFM because I am not scientifically testing a fan against a manufactures claims. I am real world testing a fan.
This the main problem I have being a small un-funded channel. I cant afford the high quality equipment I want and need to have the "best" data.
I have a methodology piece on my channel that goes over my method. Its not my end goal just what I can do with an non sponsored channel or one with very limited youtube and patreon support.
@@madamcurie-yg5sr I also wanted to thank you for explaining what you meant with your comment in such a detailed way.
@@computer-tech-more "I dont do CFM because I am not scientifically testing a fan against a manufactures claims. I am real world testing a fan." except testing air speed isn't a real world test either and is less meaningful than CFM. Air dispersal patterns as it exists the fan is going to affect how well air speed correlates to CFM(what we actually care about) and that pattern is going to be different for each fan. If you can't properly test CFM, A useful real world test would be to measure temps on a standardized testbench with a somewhat calibrated heat load. Ideally against different resistive loads, heatsink, radiator, etc.