I'm with Tim on this, I think the weight of that will cause the pavers it's sitting on to sink over time. And like others have said, with a gust in heavy winds it could quite easily be picked up, not a huge problem if it just shifts it a few inches, but I would have gone for fixing it down. But you are paying the wages Stan, so you get the last say. Can you revisit this one in a couple of years and prove us naysayers wrong please.😀 (My colleagues did used to call me "belt and braces" 😅
Hopefully the Floating Gazebo will Stay on the ground in a Very High Wind Storm. 🌷Congrats to Blaine. On his Retirement…. Bet he’ll be Back doing Part time jobs. Be Safe and Enjoy your time with your Family.
I would see what the customer wants but there are a few factors that play into account, personally I would have put it on 8" footer with windstraps on all sides, nail windstraps to post, cut pavers around footer leaving 1/8 gap then build decorative box around lower portion of post and footer, covering the windstraps and footer, giving your client the option to remove or replace gazebo with minimal effort. Doing it this way allows the pavers to move around footers and ensures you will have a secure structure that will not settle the pavers it would have been sitting on.
Frost footings for that Gazebo or a reinforced concrete pad and proper simpson anchors or similiar. Those tiles will be out of place around the area it sits on in a year. Hopefully, the wind doesn't roar and take it one day. Tim, you are right. I hope the owner signed off on the final decision. Stan is granite chips better than limestone sctreenings for drainage? Just curious about that. Cheers 🇨🇦
I’ve always found the people I worked for and butted heads with where the best companies to work for because we alway came up with the best solutions. Worked for one guy who told me years later that he always liked when we argued because everything turned out better. Wouldn’t of left there but he gave the company to his kids and they ran it bankrupt in a year.
Guys Retiring?? For real, or doing different endeavors? Just thinking he don’t look that old . But maybe he’s set or other obstacles . Regardless best of luck to him and all of you as always. Some folks hate on others and some support and root for ya. We’re rooting for yall from Des Moines, Iowa 😎
The pergola frost footings have a rigid footing, and the patio base is not rigid and can move slightly. the pavers right around the footing will be the higher than the rest in a few years thats my guess
We just faced this same scenario with a customer supplied, pre-fab pergola they wanted mounted on our paver patio. We ended up doing Sonotube footings under the patio for our 4 structure posts. Our customer very much wanted this to be a permanent structure so there was no consideration of ever wanting to move the pergola with our decision. We’re in western Michigan and hope for it to be a long term solution!
Cheap insurance, even tho most have any major amount of weight... But, lol! The soil conditions here can be quite variable, everything from ball bearing beach sand to expansive clay, so the better the drainage, the less worry about heave. (But the winter were having so far, lol, Halloween was probably the worst!)
Stan i can understand Tims concern, i know around here it would have to be attached to the ground incase heavy winds . Setting the pergola i would of got dollies and put on the two post slid ontop of plywood to position did way to much work to take chane of disloging or cracking one of those travertine pavers. Beautiful end product
I agree with Tim for several reasons wind lift being one I don’t nessiraly know if I would’ve done it his way but having a conversation with the customer and building a foundation to overkill allows for easier renovations if they want something bigger on the area down the road so long as it makes sense financially for both you and the customer
Would watering the base course materials help in compaction? Or is that just not useful? Walkway looks beautiful! Did you use a laser in the layout? That looks like a Costco gazebo--resin construction. I'd have some sort of footing for uplift, but I am not familiar with frost footings (not needed in our area). I think the quality of the soil factors in the patio in general, but that structure isn't that heavy itself.
If there was any concrete, it's def overkill, but since those are floating pavers I would've agreed with the client. We get hurricanes down here though and those high winds are no joke. We have a full on two-tiered gazebo for smoke and moisture evac over ours with 6x6 post bases tapconed in but we also have 4" concrete under our pavers with the correct base underneath that.
No Frost Footing... With climate change Minnesota has lost the snowta in Minnesnowta... so Minnesota will not need this level of stuff till the next glacial period... And that is with predicted changes in orbital forcing suggest that the next glacial period would begin at least 50,000 years from now.
I'm sure it's out there cuz everything that I come up with I find out someone is already made it but it would be really cool to have a hardened plastic ball that's encased that has a camshaft that you turn the camshaft so this 3 inch ball sticks down one inch on every one of the legs on the gazebo so you can move that gazebo wherever you want it
I'd venture a guess that the part of the patio with footings will move differently than the sections without footings. Everything else will want to raise and lower with seasons, but those footings will be immovable anchors.
I live out in the country here in Ohio and we sometimes get 75 to 80 mph winds. You better attach that to something. After seeing the gazebo, oh hell yeah, that thing would be a quarter mile away the first time we got a good wind storm.
4 ft footing to prevent differntial settlement...if they pay for it, who cares. It's not a live in structure so not critical of it drops an inch. You still need to design for uplift though..having it "float" on top of the patio might not cut it
Garages with club foot or just a mini slab always crack and always pop because of the weight of the walls and roof. 4’ footings with a separation hard board insulation between those and the floating slab is the only way to stop it. And if you have wind lift you need to lock it down and nothing but footings will handle it.
I thinking travertine is old-school that was late 90s early 2000ands I installed in my family room but seems to be outdated think paver slabs that look like wood planking the newest trend
Your team did great work - I was surprised to see the customer took out the pool.
I'm with Tim on this, I think the weight of that will cause the pavers it's sitting on to sink over time.
And like others have said, with a gust in heavy winds it could quite easily be picked up, not a huge problem if it just shifts it a few inches, but I would have gone for fixing it down.
But you are paying the wages Stan, so you get the last say.
Can you revisit this one in a couple of years and prove us naysayers wrong please.😀
(My colleagues did used to call me "belt and braces" 😅
Everybody has a good preference and everybody has a good idea.... Compromising is the best way to go about it 👍👍👍
You’re not wrong 👌
Nice one Stan. 👍👍🏴🏴
Thanks buddy
Wow. Loss of Blain. Paver extraordinaire. Congratulations to him.
I’m with you on this one Stan. 👍
Hopefully the Floating Gazebo will Stay on the ground in a Very High Wind Storm.
🌷Congrats to Blaine. On his Retirement…. Bet he’ll be Back doing Part time jobs. Be Safe and Enjoy your time with your Family.
I would see what the customer wants but there are a few factors that play into account, personally I would have put it on 8" footer with windstraps on all sides, nail windstraps to post, cut pavers around footer leaving 1/8 gap then build decorative box around lower portion of post and footer, covering the windstraps and footer, giving your client the option to remove or replace gazebo with minimal effort. Doing it this way allows the pavers to move around footers and ensures you will have a secure structure that will not settle the pavers it would have been sitting on.
Frost footings for that Gazebo or a reinforced concrete pad and proper simpson anchors or similiar. Those tiles will be out of place around the area it sits on in a year. Hopefully, the wind doesn't roar and take it one day.
Tim, you are right. I hope the owner signed off on the final decision.
Stan is granite chips better than limestone sctreenings for drainage? Just curious about that. Cheers 🇨🇦
I’ve always found the people I worked for and butted heads with where the best companies to work for because we alway came up with the best solutions. Worked for one guy who told me years later that he always liked when we argued because everything turned out better. Wouldn’t of left there but he gave the company to his kids and they ran it bankrupt in a year.
I love that. Can’t learn without mistakes 👍
I love watching these types of videos where I can gain knowledge on how to do a patio! I plan on putting in a patio this summer in my backyard!
Happy to help! Go get em 👍
Guys Retiring?? For real, or doing different endeavors? Just thinking he don’t look that old . But maybe he’s set or other obstacles . Regardless best of luck to him and all of you as always. Some folks hate on others and some support and root for ya. We’re rooting for yall from Des Moines, Iowa 😎
fully retired I believe. He'll probably pop up randomly to them tho, too much of a worker to just relax haha
The pergola frost footings have a rigid footing, and the patio base is not rigid and can move slightly. the pavers right around the footing will be the higher than the rest in a few years thats my guess
Loving the daily uploads! Keep it up!
That’s the plan man 👊
A gazebo? Float it :-) Now if it were attached, then use footers.
Beautiful work!
Much appreciated 😊
Get a good wind and the neighbours might get a gazebo for free!😁
I would explain those 2 options to the customer and let them decide. I'd imagine there is a price difference as well?
We just faced this same scenario with a customer supplied, pre-fab pergola they wanted mounted on our paver patio. We ended up doing Sonotube footings under the patio for our 4 structure posts. Our customer very much wanted this to be a permanent structure so there was no consideration of ever wanting to move the pergola with our decision. We’re in western Michigan and hope for it to be a long term solution!
Cheap insurance, even tho most have any major amount of weight... But, lol! The soil conditions here can be quite variable, everything from ball bearing beach sand to expansive clay, so the better the drainage, the less worry about heave. (But the winter were having so far, lol, Halloween was probably the worst!)
Project looks great. Fussy and pretentious, but great!
Stan i can understand Tims concern, i know around here it would have to be attached to the ground incase heavy winds . Setting the pergola i would of got dollies and put on the two post slid ontop of plywood to position did way to much work to take chane of disloging or cracking one of those travertine pavers. Beautiful end product
I agree with Tim for several reasons wind lift being one I don’t nessiraly know if I would’ve done it his way but having a conversation with the customer and building a foundation to overkill allows for easier renovations if they want something bigger on the area down the road so long as it makes sense financially for both you and the customer
No footing
Would watering the base course materials help in compaction? Or is that just not useful? Walkway looks beautiful! Did you use a laser in the layout? That looks like a Costco gazebo--resin construction. I'd have some sort of footing for uplift, but I am not familiar with frost footings (not needed in our area). I think the quality of the soil factors in the patio in general, but that structure isn't that heavy itself.
If there was any concrete, it's def overkill, but since those are floating pavers I would've agreed with the client. We get hurricanes down here though and those high winds are no joke. We have a full on two-tiered gazebo for smoke and moisture evac over ours with 6x6 post bases tapconed in but we also have 4" concrete under our pavers with the correct base underneath that.
No Frost Footing... With climate change Minnesota has lost the snowta in Minnesnowta... so Minnesota will not need this level of stuff till the next glacial period... And that is with predicted changes in orbital forcing suggest that the next glacial period would begin at least 50,000 years from now.
Last year was the craziest winter. Record high snow falls. This year nothing…so we shall see
12in of base just to have the pavers held in with plastic edging...
Would go no frost footings though
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I'm sure it's out there cuz everything that I come up with I find out someone is already made it but it would be really cool to have a hardened plastic ball that's encased that has a camshaft that you turn the camshaft so this 3 inch ball sticks down one inch on every one of the legs on the gazebo so you can move that gazebo wherever you want it
I would put frost post in the ground. The screw in type.. All you need is one leg of that gazebo to move and it makes the frame twist
You tell the pro's and con's to bury or not to bury and let the customer decide. They are the one's paying for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No frost fittings
I'd venture a guess that the part of the patio with footings will move differently than the sections without footings. Everything else will want to raise and lower with seasons, but those footings will be immovable anchors.
So now its Taylor the Super Star, don't tell him his head will explode.
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I live out in the country here in Ohio and we sometimes get 75 to 80 mph winds. You better attach that to something.
After seeing the gazebo, oh hell yeah, that thing would be a quarter mile away the first time we got a good wind storm.
75 to 80 lol come to florida
4 ft footing to prevent differntial settlement...if they pay for it, who cares. It's not a live in structure so not critical of it drops an inch. You still need to design for uplift though..having it "float" on top of the patio might not cut it
Definitely no frost footings
Garages with club foot or just a mini slab always crack and always pop because of the weight of the walls and roof.
4’ footings with a separation hard board insulation between those and the floating slab is the only way to stop it.
And if you have wind lift you need to lock it down and nothing but footings will handle it.
no frost footing
Overkill never fails... minimum 8" aggregate under 1" stone dust not sand under any paver... you'll never have a return call..
Travertine is starting to gain some market share from pavers
I thinking travertine is old-school that was late 90s early 2000ands I installed in my family room but seems to be outdated think paver slabs that look like wood planking the newest trend