Great comparison, just a thought about your slicing comparison I'll throw in....blade stock thickness doesn't really matter when you're comparing how well two blades slice a piece of paper. When the material is so thin and flimsy that it can easily separate around the blade, you're not dealing with stock thickness at that point, you're dealing with edge sharpness and edge bevel geometry. Blade stock geometry comes into play when cutting rigid materials like heavy corrugated or a rubber hose, materials that don't easily separate around the sides of the blade. You could sharpen an axe to a level that will slice a post-it as well as the Project X did, but if you try to cut down a double wall corrugated box with both you'll see where blade stock geometry makes a difference.
At some point! I've got a huge backlog to get through first, so I've gotta clear all that out, but if I see one pop up at the right price, I'll jump on it and I'll get my review up in due time. Any particular version of the three you'd most want to see?
@@CTKKnives personally I’m most interested in the S45vn version but I’m not sure if having the thumb studs would change the dynamics of the knife given that the grind is different on that version. I’m still willing to bet it gets thin behind the edge though because it has decent blade width to taper down.
I skipped around a bit for a blade steel discussion, but didn't find it or missed it. Not important because there are quite a few options for a buyer's preference? Or?
I'm a steel nerd, and sharpening and steel testing is my favorite part of (and probably the only thing keeping me in) the hobby. That said... for 99.9% of people, the steel doesn't matter. Any steel currently used by any reputable company is more than the average user needs. A lot of the knife community is daily driving F1 cars complaining about the comfort, while simultaneously making fun of Camry drivers.
@@CNYKnifeNut Perhaps there is a larger fraction of those who are viewers (especially who may be your viewers) who do care about the steel as one of the many factors to be examined. And some who are actually totally obsessed with these amazing super steels. I just went through a period of collecting primarily Vanax, MagnaCut, Maxamet, S90V, ZDP-189, K390, Rex T15, Rex 45, Tungsten Carbide, 10V, and 15V. And the 15V in BBB's heat treat has set the bar to a place where what I watch in the UA-cam knife community has shrunk considerably. Kudos to ericasedc for pushing for the higher HRCs in the knifemakers' HT part of their process. I like your channel because of the depth with which you tunnel into whatever you are examining. And it's good to hear about your interest in these steels.
Hi there! Thanks for the detailed comments and for taking the time to watch. I'll agree with both the point you made and the one CNYKnifeNut made. 2 reasons I didn't go into the steel in this review: 1. While I am personally a bit of a steel snob, I am SUBTLY trying to downplay steel snobbery on this channel because in my experience as a user, the amount of difference steel makes is GENERALLY oversold. I will still point out fantastic steels - I absolutely LOVE me some K390, Maxamet, and Rex45 in particular. I'll talk about steel when it's a core feature of the knife, like anything from QuietCarry or the Spyderco Caribbean (or even when the heat treat is unusually good, like in Spartan's S45VN). And I love geeking out about steels - I literally minored in materials science back in college, and I've got Larrin Thomas's book prominently on my shelf. I may dive into that more in the future. But in general, I think most people won't see a huge difference between steels, and when my reviews are ALREADY sprawling and rambling, I'm reluctant to add ANOTHER topic that, functionally, isn't AS important as some others. 2. More importantly, for this model in particular (the AD20S), you have tons of steel choices, and they are all great options. I currently (until I sell some) have AD20Ses in Magnacut, 20CV, XHP, and M4, all of which are very solid choices. I personally DO see a difference between those steels - in particular, I have always loved how much I can beat up on M4 - that's because I'm looking closely. And I wouldn't want my thoughts on the model to be colored by the particular steel on the particular one I've got, when so many steels are available. If you love a certain steel, you can probably find an AD20S in that steel or something functionally similar. Hope that helps! I can focus on steel choice a little more in upcoming reviews if there's appetite for it. It's a topic I really enjoy talking about!
Ha! I adhere to Mark Twain's dictum: "I apologize for such a long letter - I didn't have time to write a short one." I would love to make my videos shorter and tighter, but honestly that would require a level of script preparation I just don't have time for. I've barely got enough time to fire up the camera and lighting and make these videos as-is. I know they get quite rambly at times...but I figure a rambly video people can watch and might get some use out of is better than nothing! I may be able to make time for better-scripted videos in the future...but for now they'll still be long and rambly. Thanks for watching, hope you still got some value from it!
I know, sorry about that! They were all over the place on this day of shooting. They should be out of the picture going forward. Thanks for watching nonetheless!
The lack of a modern lock eliminates the Hinderer.
If you ask me, a framelock works just fine for this use case! But I can see some people wanting a more novel/innovative lock. Thanks for watching!
Better than a Shaman, thats debatable. My opinion.
I’ve owned them both and I like them both for different reasons I think as far as collecting I have a project X addition but my EDC is an Ad20
Great comparison, just a thought about your slicing comparison I'll throw in....blade stock thickness doesn't really matter when you're comparing how well two blades slice a piece of paper. When the material is so thin and flimsy that it can easily separate around the blade, you're not dealing with stock thickness at that point, you're dealing with edge sharpness and edge bevel geometry. Blade stock geometry comes into play when cutting rigid materials like heavy corrugated or a rubber hose, materials that don't easily separate around the sides of the blade. You could sharpen an axe to a level that will slice a post-it as well as the Project X did, but if you try to cut down a double wall corrugated box with both you'll see where blade stock geometry makes a difference.
Great video
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
Do you think you’ll be picking up/reviewing the new mini version of the taggedout?
At some point! I've got a huge backlog to get through first, so I've gotta clear all that out, but if I see one pop up at the right price, I'll jump on it and I'll get my review up in due time.
Any particular version of the three you'd most want to see?
@@CTKKnives personally I’m most interested in the S45vn version but I’m not sure if having the thumb studs would change the dynamics of the knife given that the grind is different on that version. I’m still willing to bet it gets thin behind the edge though because it has decent blade width to taper down.
I skipped around a bit for a blade steel discussion, but didn't find it or missed it. Not important because there are quite a few options for a buyer's preference? Or?
I'm a steel nerd, and sharpening and steel testing is my favorite part of (and probably the only thing keeping me in) the hobby.
That said... for 99.9% of people, the steel doesn't matter. Any steel currently used by any reputable company is more than the average user needs.
A lot of the knife community is daily driving F1 cars complaining about the comfort, while simultaneously making fun of Camry drivers.
@@CNYKnifeNut Perhaps there is a larger fraction of those who are viewers (especially who may be your viewers) who do care about the steel as one of the many factors to be examined. And some who are actually totally obsessed with these amazing super steels. I just went through a period of collecting primarily Vanax, MagnaCut, Maxamet, S90V, ZDP-189, K390, Rex T15, Rex 45, Tungsten Carbide, 10V, and 15V. And the 15V in BBB's heat treat has set the bar to a place where what I watch in the UA-cam knife community has shrunk considerably. Kudos to ericasedc for pushing for the higher HRCs in the knifemakers' HT part of their process. I like your channel because of the depth with which you tunnel into whatever you are examining. And it's good to hear about your interest in these steels.
Hi there! Thanks for the detailed comments and for taking the time to watch.
I'll agree with both the point you made and the one CNYKnifeNut made. 2 reasons I didn't go into the steel in this review:
1. While I am personally a bit of a steel snob, I am SUBTLY trying to downplay steel snobbery on this channel because in my experience as a user, the amount of difference steel makes is GENERALLY oversold. I will still point out fantastic steels - I absolutely LOVE me some K390, Maxamet, and Rex45 in particular. I'll talk about steel when it's a core feature of the knife, like anything from QuietCarry or the Spyderco Caribbean (or even when the heat treat is unusually good, like in Spartan's S45VN). And I love geeking out about steels - I literally minored in materials science back in college, and I've got Larrin Thomas's book prominently on my shelf. I may dive into that more in the future. But in general, I think most people won't see a huge difference between steels, and when my reviews are ALREADY sprawling and rambling, I'm reluctant to add ANOTHER topic that, functionally, isn't AS important as some others.
2. More importantly, for this model in particular (the AD20S), you have tons of steel choices, and they are all great options. I currently (until I sell some) have AD20Ses in Magnacut, 20CV, XHP, and M4, all of which are very solid choices. I personally DO see a difference between those steels - in particular, I have always loved how much I can beat up on M4 - that's because I'm looking closely. And I wouldn't want my thoughts on the model to be colored by the particular steel on the particular one I've got, when so many steels are available. If you love a certain steel, you can probably find an AD20S in that steel or something functionally similar.
Hope that helps! I can focus on steel choice a little more in upcoming reviews if there's appetite for it. It's a topic I really enjoy talking about!
My opinion is that the Hinderer Project X is the better knife.
I agree - and I didn't quite expect that. Thanks for watching!
I'm about to embark on this journey. A 35 minute journey. Let's see why this video us over a half hour long.
Ha! I adhere to Mark Twain's dictum: "I apologize for such a long letter - I didn't have time to write a short one."
I would love to make my videos shorter and tighter, but honestly that would require a level of script preparation I just don't have time for. I've barely got enough time to fire up the camera and lighting and make these videos as-is. I know they get quite rambly at times...but I figure a rambly video people can watch and might get some use out of is better than nothing!
I may be able to make time for better-scripted videos in the future...but for now they'll still be long and rambly. Thanks for watching, hope you still got some value from it!
the bugs were to distracting
I know, sorry about that! They were all over the place on this day of shooting. They should be out of the picture going forward. Thanks for watching nonetheless!
I tried to squish them twice before I realized they were in the video and not on my phone lol