The reaction of the general (J. Carrol Naish) is so beautifully done, he doesn’t say a word, just removes his cigar and lowers his eyes as he is carried away by the music. You don’t get scenes like this in modern movies. They are just not crafted this way any more, and if a modern director tried, I doubt they could find character actors with the subtlety and gravitas to pull off such a scene.
Yes indeed. These are movies I have watched over the decades, and the passage of time has only made their magic more apparent. The Searchers is another gem.
By your rationale, the Fenians should have respected the ceasefire of 1849. Even though you have an English name, you definitely qualify as one of the Thick Paddies...
I think my father was afraid to ever take me to another movie ever after we saw this at the drive in. I joined the Fenians that night and never shut up about them ever again. God bless Dad, and Glory I to the bold Fenian men!
I dont know exactly what the Fennians believe politically, I've heard they're socialist or marxists which is one of the dumbest forms of government, but I like the idea of a United Ireland Free of the Redcoats, honestly I think it'd be cooler and work better with a High King again, mostly cause it wouldn't be communist and just think of that title, it just sounds cool. Doesn't have to work the same as it did originally, but really it's not my business because I'm American, part of my family is Celtic but our last name comes from Wales so Idk if we were ever from Ireland.
@@ju87stukadivebomber87 If they were Marxists* they were the most Christian marxists ever. Instead of repeating what you heard you could read all about the Fenians. *I presume you weren't referring to Groucho, Chico, Zeppo and Harpo.
@ju87stukadivebomber87 They weren't really Marxist. You could maybe say left wing but Marxist would be a stretch. The fenians wanted Ireland to become a Republic by leaving the United Kingdom. Large numbers of Fenians were exiled from Ireland by the British and quite a lot of them ended up in America and in the US Army
Ken curtis was a great singer he took over for frank Sinatra when Sinatra left the tommy Dorsey orchestra band back in 1944, he also sang with Dick hames back in 1945 and he was festus on Gunsmoke, what a great voice R.I.P. MR KEN CURTIS GOD BLESS YOUR SOUL.
I have Irish on my Mothers side and get emotional looking at this scene. Beautifully sung and J Carroll Naish's reaction is just wonderful. The genius of director John Ford.
J. Carol Naish. Starred in this. He also played in very early Batman serials. He was said to have played all nationalities in cinema: except his own. Irish.
The officer with the eyepatch was one of the most decorated US Matines in WWII. One of a handful of Marines that fought in Europe. I think he won 2-3 Navy Crosses. He also was in the OSS, the predecessor of the CIA. I know his name, now you have your homework. *Peter J. Ortiz
*@Robert Rock* ☘️ That's a cool bit of info! Thanks. *This may sound like a stupid question* but is the guy with the patch actually Ortiz himself? Or is he an actor playing the part of PJ Ortiz? 🤔 (genuine query)
'Twas down by the glenside, I met an old woman A-plucking young nettles, she ne’er saw me coming I listened a while to the song she was humming Glory O, Glory O, to the bold Fenian men 'Tis fifty long years since I saw the moon beaming On strong manly forms, on eyes with hope gleaming I see them again, now, in all my dreaming Glory O, Glory O, to the bold Fenian men. [When I was a young girl, their marching and drilling Awoke in the glenside sounds awesome and thrilling They loved dear old Ireland, to die they were willing Glory O, Glory O, to the bold Fenian men. Some died by the glenside, some died near a stranger And wise men have told us their cause was a failure But they stood by old Ireland and never feared danger Glory O, Glory O, to the bold Fenian men] I passed on my way, God be praised that I met her Be life long or short, sure I'll never forget her We may have great men, but we'll never have better Glory O, Glory O, to the bold Fenian men
Beautiful.... didn't know Ken Curtis Was so handsome and a eerie soft beautiful voice. The whole group is great in harmonizing. People surprise ya sometimes. Love the movie too. I hate movies have lost beauty, morals and Values......
The actor who played Sheridan played every possible ethnic person from Italian to Native from Chinese, Russian, Arab you name it yet Joseph Patrick Carrol Naish great star of film and stage was as Irish as " Paddy's pig" as the expression went. His dark celtic complexion, " the Old Look" some used to call it, lent him to roles playing many different ethnic characters during a long career.
MUSIC BY VICTOR YOUNG "Down by the Glenside" (The Bold Fenian Men) Essa é uma cena com John Wayne; Maurren O'Hara, J. Carrol Naish, Victor McLaglen, Peter Ortiz, Steve Pendleton e Alberto Morin. É uma das mais belas do filme "Rio Bravo" (Rio Grande / 1950) - aqui colorizado - do diretor John Ford. Dizem os entendidos que aquele é o mais musical entre os 150 filmes que o velho dirigiu. Vemos aí, após um jantar de oficias da Cavalaria Americana, uma serenata do "The Regimental Singers". Na verdade, trata-se do famoso grupo "Sons of the Pioneers" (com Stan Jones; Tommy Doss, Hugh Farr, Karl Farr, Lloyd Perryman e Shug Fisher), tendo como vocalista o ator Ken Curtis. Aliás, quando minha esposa faleceu, dediquei-lhe um trecho dessa canção (de Cathy Jordan, composta em 1916, refere-se ao Levante Fenian, contra o domínio britânico, que aconteceu na Irlanda em 1867. A letra evoca a memória dos lutadores pela liberdade da geração anterior) que, originalmente, diz: "God be prayed that I met her/Be life long or short/I will never forget her"... Algo como, "Agradeço a Deus por tê-la conhecido. Seja minha vida longa ou curta, nunca hei de esquecê-la". Pesquisa de César Barbosa para o Rio Grande - Fã-Clube John Wayne. Cidade do Natal / RN. Brasil🌵🇧🇷 12/04/2021 Em tempo: todos que citei os nomes já faleceram.
Ich konnte es kaum erwarten das es Samstag Abend wurde. Dann bei den Großeltern den obligatorischen Western schauen, mit all den Fimgrössen . Lang ist es her. Schöne Kindheit.
ME "'union men" the movie was in french lol but the songs were the originals. The subtitles were talking about irish rebels I was surprised that's why I am here
Ireland needs her son's and daughter's to up and be counted more than ever. The anti European eu,un and their treasonous ngos, borderless charities, destroyed and their treasonous politicians, media members, high ranking police / Judicial officials need to be put on trial for crimes against Ireland / Europe and publicly hung.
Not entirely sure if I have Irish heritage - it is very possible, judging by one of the the names on my dad’s side. Anyway, my gramma loved these movies.
McLaglen was not in fact Irish (he was English by origin and had Scottish ancestry, the family name was originally McLachlan) but in his later career he so frequently played Irish characters that he became typecast as one.
It would have been completely out of character for illiterate, back-woodsy Festus to break into song and sing like Ken Curtis. It worked in comedies like Gomer Pyle USMC (Jim Neighbors) and with Frank Fontaine's character Crazy Guggenheim on The Jackie Gleason Show, but not in a period Western drama like Gunsmoke. When Ken Curtis sang in Gunsmoke or called a square dance he did so in character. He was an actor, after all.
Has anyone else noticed the missing verse? Something about a yelled dog and a spotted hog, I’m asking because I just saw the movie and that verse was in there.
Forget the beauty of the song remember what its about, Sheridan loved the song as his family had been driven out of Ireland, listen to Michael mac larrimoirs recitation of Robert emmets speech from the Dock before emmet was hung drawn and quartered in Dublin 1803, and yes they castrated him hung him cut his legs arms off, but this song is about his generation, listen to his speech in which before he's executed he says he wished to obtain the same the same rights and liberties for Ireland that Washington had gained for America then you'll understand both the beauty of the song and it's meaning to Sheridan. T
Phil Sheridan Died in 1888 the song was written by Peadar Kearney, in 1916 at the time of the Rising of 1916 to evoke memories of the Fenian Rising of 1867. So he could not have loved this song! I suspect that he might well have loved it had he heard it but.....
@@williamjackson5942 you're right but I love it genuinely thought it dated back to those days grew up with this film and assumed it was showing a fact. But if I'd paused for a moment then I couldn't have been right as the fenian movement didn't get underway until the late 1860s in anycase with the dynamite campaign in England, so yeap your absolutely right. But I still like it and the sentiment conveyed in the film, I'm s sucker for john Wayne. If he listened to anything it most likely be Napper Tandy with ref to 1798. T
victor was born in turnbridge wells england his brother was a vicar but the best professional irishman on screen. ken curtis was John fird's son in law .
John Ford made great movies. He often seemed to insist on over-acting certain scenes. His irish- are- superior- to- everybody theme could get a little tiresome as well. Critique over. I love his movies & will watch one whenever it comes on. His use of The Sons of the Pioneers in several of his westerns added much to already fabulous filmwork.
Methinks this film is set before the events depicted in the song. The Fenian rebellion was in 1867, so 50 years later would have been 1917, just after the Rising. Perhaps the song was intended shame the many thousands who joined the British army to fight for Belgium, whilst others fought for their own country’s freedom at home.
John Ford favored the Sons of the Pioneers and choose them for his cavalry trio. The solo here is by Ken Curtis ("Gunsmoke"), who was Ford's son-in-law.
Quite shocking to hear the word Fenian in a song. Suppose it didn't have the stigma back then. I went to school in N Ireland. I was beaten with a ruler once for writing IRA on my jotter.
The "stigma" isn't exactly the same here, Haha. Keep In mind this is a country that won their independence from Britain and many of us will forever be proud of our Irish heritage.
Once a Fenian, Always a Fenian! 🍀🇮🇪🇺🇸🏴🍀💯
Wow! Ken Curtis, Victor McLaglen, J. Carrol Naish, John Wayne, & the exquisite Maureen O'Hara. What a cast! 🎞
The reaction of the general (J. Carrol Naish) is so beautifully done, he doesn’t say a word, just removes his cigar and lowers his eyes as he is carried away by the music. You don’t get scenes like this in modern movies. They are just not crafted this way any more, and if a modern director tried, I doubt they could find character actors with the subtlety and gravitas to pull off such a scene.
The genius of John Ford Paul.
Yes indeed. These are movies I have watched over the decades, and the passage of time has only made their magic more apparent. The Searchers is another gem.
By your rationale, the Fenians should have respected the ceasefire of 1849.
Even though you have an English name, you definitely qualify as one of the Thick Paddies...
I think my father was afraid to ever take me to another movie ever after we saw this at the drive in. I joined the Fenians that night and never shut up about them ever again. God bless Dad, and Glory I to the bold Fenian men!
I dont know exactly what the Fennians believe politically, I've heard they're socialist or marxists which is one of the dumbest forms of government, but I like the idea of a United Ireland Free of the Redcoats, honestly I think it'd be cooler and work better with a High King again, mostly cause it wouldn't be communist and just think of that title, it just sounds cool. Doesn't have to work the same as it did originally, but really it's not my business because I'm American, part of my family is Celtic but our last name comes from Wales so Idk if we were ever from Ireland.
@@ju87stukadivebomber87 If they were Marxists* they were the most Christian marxists ever.
Instead of repeating what you heard you could read all about the Fenians.
*I presume you weren't referring to Groucho, Chico, Zeppo and Harpo.
@ju87stukadivebomber87 They weren't really Marxist. You could maybe say left wing but Marxist would be a stretch. The fenians wanted Ireland to become a Republic by leaving the United Kingdom. Large numbers of Fenians were exiled from Ireland by the British and quite a lot of them ended up in America and in the US Army
And also a lot of Fenians went to Scotland after the 67 Uprising! 🍀🏴🇮🇪🍀👊🏻
Never heard a better version of this song. This is my favorite.
Kathy Jordan has an amazing version too
Agreed!
Judy Collins. Great version.
they didnt sing 2 verses of the song
Glory O Glory O to the bold Fenian men 💚🍀🇮🇪
Ken curtis was a great singer he took over for frank Sinatra when Sinatra left the tommy Dorsey orchestra band back in 1944, he also sang with Dick hames back in 1945 and he was festus on Gunsmoke, what a great voice R.I.P. MR KEN CURTIS GOD BLESS YOUR SOUL.
Haw Haw Haw Charlie McCorry in the Searchers, Dermot Fahy in the Quiet Man. Fine actor, Great Voice.
A song of tragedy, a history of glory.Love from China❤
The acting is better than most modern movies - just the reactions.
My gramma loved these movies.
I have Irish on my Mothers side and get emotional looking at this scene. Beautifully sung and J Carroll Naish's reaction is just wonderful. The genius of director John Ford.
That was absolutely beautiful. ❤ Ken Curtis was so talented.
I could listen to this every day . . . such a beautiful song sung by such beautiful voices, especially Ken Curtis!
So many good actors in this movie. ❤❤
Ken Curtis a vastly underated singer to my mind he would hold his own with the best of the crooners.
Who is still listening to this in the year 2735?
2020 September. I watched this movie SO many times when I was a kid!!!
Ken Curtis had such a beautiful voice.
I could listen to him all day long.
The most powerful version of this fantastic song I've ever heard
who ever thought festus haggen could sing so pretty
Ken Curtis hatte eine tolle Stimme.Er war wunderbar auch dieser Film hat mir gut gefallen. ❤❤❤❤❤❤
J. Carol Naish. Starred in this. He also played in very early Batman serials. He was said to have played all nationalities in cinema: except his own. Irish.
It's easy to see why Quincannon gets choked up. Great version of this song.
The officer with the eyepatch was one of the most decorated US Matines in WWII. One of a handful of Marines that fought in Europe. I think he won 2-3 Navy Crosses. He also was in the OSS, the predecessor of the CIA. I know his name, now you have your homework.
*Peter J. Ortiz
*@Robert Rock* ☘️ That's a cool bit of info! Thanks. *This may sound like a stupid question* but is the guy with the patch actually Ortiz himself? Or is he an actor playing the part of PJ Ortiz? 🤔 (genuine query)
@@stellamaris5405 its him himself, he was an actor as well
'Twas down by the glenside, I met an old woman
A-plucking young nettles, she ne’er saw me coming
I listened a while to the song she was humming
Glory O, Glory O, to the bold Fenian men
'Tis fifty long years since I saw the moon beaming
On strong manly forms, on eyes with hope gleaming
I see them again, now, in all my dreaming
Glory O, Glory O, to the bold Fenian men.
[When I was a young girl, their marching and drilling
Awoke in the glenside sounds awesome and thrilling
They loved dear old Ireland, to die they were willing
Glory O, Glory O, to the bold Fenian men.
Some died by the glenside, some died near a stranger
And wise men have told us their cause was a failure
But they stood by old Ireland and never feared danger
Glory O, Glory O, to the bold Fenian men]
I passed on my way, God be praised that I met her
Be life long or short, sure I'll never forget her
We may have great men, but we'll never have better
Glory O, Glory O, to the bold Fenian men
Nice one..thanks for this..The Peadar Kearney classic
Cheers pal! 👍🏻🍀🏴🇺🇸🇮🇪🍀
I took a listen to the other styles of this song and this is the best...
Glory oh Glory oh to the Bold Fenian Men🎶🎶😀😀
Ken Curtis, was wonderful. Lots of trivia with him...
I learned something new today
Brilliant song! TAL32🍀🇮🇪🍀🇮🇪🍀👍
26+6=1
Loved the u.s. calvary song at the end too...
One of my favorite song in the movies.
Greetings from Dublin Ireland.
This song is life
Brilliant irish and proud..UNITED IRELAND.
One Island, One Nation!
Shit country
@@ReidandShaneEire go brea
The FINEST rendition of this song EVER, with Ken Curtis singing.
Thanks for this.
Beautiful .It was a verry good western . In France we love John Wayne .
The Joyce's will never die
Also, Maureen O’Hara was an absolute dime.
OMG!!! I LOVE THIS FILM AND ALL STAR CAST, AND ALL THESE SONGS, SO AWESOME!!!
Loved Ken Curtis!!!!
Still listening to this in 2022!
God bless Those Bold Fenian Men.
God 🙏 theses actors.
Beautiful.... didn't know Ken Curtis
Was so handsome and a eerie soft beautiful voice.
The whole group is great in harmonizing.
People surprise ya sometimes.
Love the movie too.
I hate movies have lost beauty, morals and
Values......
Great Song and a Great Movie!
Brilliant,song
Such a lovely song
Angel's could not have sweeter voices, beautiful
👍👍👍👍 I love it so great 👍👍👍👍
Look at the poignant reactions of all the officers, especially the general, and Maureen O'Hara. Directer John Ford knew what he was doing.
Out of somewhere one suddenly remembers such singing… marvellous voice& harmonies in a great film. Subbed.
John Wayne: "THE REGIMENTAL SINGERS!" 😂😂😂
Top notch singing
I never knew Festus Haggen was such a great singer!
Very well done 1st Sgt.
great voice thatg man
Splendid
The original Provos the Bold Fenian men 💣💥 🇮🇪
That guy with the eye-patch was the sort of hero in real life that if they made a movie about him nobody would believe it. Worth looking up.
Yes Peter (or Pierre) Ortiz. A different breed of man.
Belle chanson
The lead singer (of the Sons of the Pioneers) best known as "Festus" from the TV show "Gunsmoke" ....
Amazing. Thanks for posting this. It's one of favorite
This was Ken Curtis's best
Beautiful. Very emotional. I love this.
Beautiful song sang in an amazing film. The the beautiful Maureen O'Hara and thee amazing man himself. The Duke, John Wayne. Fantastic. M3VCB
The Biden woke gang took down Dukes statute outside the Orange County airport ! How the party of JFK went down the toilet .
@@martinhanley9524 Screw you liar! President Biden had nothing to do with it, I am sorry if truth and reality get in the way of your dream world.
Bold Fenian Men
The actor who played Sheridan played every possible ethnic person from Italian to Native from Chinese, Russian, Arab you name it yet Joseph Patrick Carrol Naish great star of film and stage was as Irish as " Paddy's pig" as the expression went. His dark celtic complexion, " the Old Look" some used to call it, lent him to roles playing many different ethnic characters during a long career.
This is my neighbors favorite song Wither they like it or not
Festus!!!!!!
MUSIC BY VICTOR YOUNG
"Down by the Glenside" (The Bold Fenian Men)
Essa é uma cena com John Wayne; Maurren O'Hara, J. Carrol Naish, Victor McLaglen, Peter Ortiz, Steve Pendleton e Alberto Morin. É uma das mais belas do filme "Rio Bravo" (Rio Grande / 1950) - aqui colorizado - do diretor John Ford. Dizem os entendidos que aquele é o mais musical entre os 150 filmes que o velho dirigiu. Vemos aí, após um jantar de oficias da Cavalaria Americana, uma serenata do "The Regimental Singers". Na verdade, trata-se do famoso grupo "Sons of the Pioneers" (com Stan Jones; Tommy Doss, Hugh Farr, Karl Farr, Lloyd Perryman e Shug Fisher), tendo como vocalista o ator Ken Curtis. Aliás, quando minha esposa faleceu, dediquei-lhe um trecho dessa canção (de Cathy Jordan, composta em 1916, refere-se ao Levante Fenian, contra o domínio britânico, que aconteceu na Irlanda em 1867. A letra evoca a memória dos lutadores pela liberdade da geração anterior) que, originalmente, diz: "God be prayed that I met her/Be life long or short/I will never forget her"... Algo como, "Agradeço a Deus por tê-la conhecido. Seja minha vida longa ou curta, nunca hei de esquecê-la".
Pesquisa de César Barbosa para o Rio Grande - Fã-Clube John Wayne. Cidade do Natal / RN. Brasil🌵🇧🇷
12/04/2021
Em tempo: todos que citei os nomes já faleceram.
Ich konnte es kaum erwarten das es Samstag Abend wurde. Dann bei den Großeltern den obligatorischen Western schauen, mit all den Fimgrössen . Lang ist es her. Schöne Kindheit.
When I first heard this song, I thought Ken Curtis was singing”...those Bohemian men...”.
ME "'union men" the movie was in french lol but the songs were the originals. The subtitles were talking about irish rebels I was surprised that's why I am here
A song from a different era for sure ,so emotional and with such deep and soulful meaning - beautiful.
Ireland needs her son's and daughter's to up and be counted more than ever. The anti European eu,un and their treasonous ngos, borderless charities, destroyed and their treasonous politicians, media members, high ranking police / Judicial officials need to be put on trial for crimes against Ireland / Europe and publicly hung.
To be sure.
This song is sung today btw
If the chorus hit the second “glory all” higher than they did this would be my favorite version besides the dubliners
Simply amazing. M3VCB
thank you frances! this truly makes tears run down my face! I wish ken had recorded more of these types of songs and big band when he was young!!
thx for share ...it s wonder
Not entirely sure if I have Irish heritage - it is very possible, judging by one of the the names on my dad’s side. Anyway, my gramma loved these movies.
Not a mention of Ireland in the lyrics in the movie! It would be kind to acknowledge where the song came from!
Beautious
McLaglen was not in fact Irish (he was English by origin and had Scottish ancestry, the family name was originally McLachlan) but in his later career he so frequently played Irish characters that he became typecast as one.
The song is about Eire and her struggle against the English oppressors - who cares where the singer is from you nonse
For you who don't know,Festus from Gunsmoke had a he'll of a voice!
Didn't not know he could sing wow 2019 he's good. Don't know why Festus didn't sing more
He did in singing cowboy films from the 1940s
It would have been completely out of character for illiterate, back-woodsy Festus to break into song and sing like Ken Curtis. It worked in comedies like Gomer Pyle USMC (Jim Neighbors) and with Frank Fontaine's character Crazy Guggenheim on The Jackie Gleason Show, but not in a period Western drama like Gunsmoke. When Ken Curtis sang in Gunsmoke or called a square dance he did so in character. He was an actor, after all.
Sing it Festus lol man sure could sing
Gotta love the Irish !
Why?
@@singingscotty2001 jealous? Lol
Has anyone else noticed the missing verse? Something about a yelled dog and a spotted hog, I’m asking because I just saw the movie and that verse was in there.
Forget the beauty of the song remember what its about, Sheridan loved the song as his family had been driven out of Ireland, listen to Michael mac larrimoirs recitation of Robert emmets speech from the Dock before emmet was hung drawn and quartered in Dublin 1803, and yes they castrated him hung him cut his legs arms off, but this song is about his generation, listen to his speech in which before he's executed he says he wished to obtain the same the same rights and liberties for Ireland that Washington had gained for America then you'll understand both the beauty of the song and it's meaning to Sheridan. T
Phil Sheridan Died in 1888 the song was written by Peadar Kearney, in 1916 at the time of the Rising of 1916 to evoke memories of the Fenian Rising of 1867. So he could not have loved this song! I suspect that he might well have loved it had he heard it but.....
@@williamjackson5942 you're right but I love it genuinely thought it dated back to those days grew up with this film and assumed it was showing a fact. But if I'd paused for a moment then I couldn't have been right as the fenian movement didn't get underway until the late 1860s in anycase with the dynamite campaign in England, so yeap your absolutely right. But I still like it and the sentiment conveyed in the film, I'm s sucker for john Wayne. If he listened to anything it most likely be Napper Tandy with ref to 1798. T
Hahaaaa.....love when Victor McLaglen (Quintcanon) tears up during the song....a true Irishman he is...
He was a very convincing Irishman, despite being English of South African extraction.
figjam59 who was also a recruiting officer for the british army
@@figjam59 I thought he was a Scot.
"And don't the men of Innisfree, bid ye welcome home! What's wrong with that little speech, Feeney?"
victor was born in turnbridge wells england his brother was a vicar but the best professional irishman on screen. ken curtis was John fird's son in law .
Festus“ the Voice „Haggan !
John Ford made great movies. He often seemed to insist on over-acting certain scenes. His irish- are- superior- to- everybody theme could get a little tiresome as well.
Critique over. I love his movies & will watch one whenever it comes on. His use of The Sons of the Pioneers in several of his westerns added much to already fabulous filmwork.
Methinks this film is set before the events depicted in the song.
The Fenian rebellion was in 1867, so 50 years later would have been 1917, just after the Rising.
Perhaps the song was intended shame the many thousands who joined the British army to fight for Belgium, whilst others fought for their own country’s freedom at home.
The fiim is set in the late 1870's,so the events depicted in this song would still be relatively fresh in the memory of Sheridan et al.
It's tough to put his singing together with Festus' character😆
Ken Curtis Go Hard!!!🔥
Is the Witcher 3 Ballard played by Priscilla inspired by this? So many similarities.
John Ford favored the Sons of the Pioneers and choose them for his cavalry trio. The solo here is by Ken Curtis ("Gunsmoke"), who was Ford's son-in-law.
I watched randomly this film on TV the other day and I thought the lyrics sounded like glorуholе, I came here to see the true lyrics.
What a film?
and it's in color..but the movie wasn't ?
Quite shocking to hear the word Fenian in a song. Suppose it didn't have the stigma back then.
I went to school in N Ireland. I was beaten with a ruler once for writing IRA on my jotter.
It doesn't have a stigma now unless you're a filthy DOB!
What's wrong with Fenian?
The "stigma" isn't exactly the same here, Haha. Keep In mind this is a country that won their independence from Britain and many of us will forever be proud of our Irish heritage.
Not the same in the states haha. Damn shame the old country seems to fall in line whenever the English say so.
Is that the donnelly quins ,twins or triplets