Discussing Lostprophets with Sean Smith (The Blackout/S'appenin Podcast/Raiders UK)
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- Опубліковано 31 гру 2021
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I've got a lot of time for Sean Smith. His interview with Stu Richardson (of LP) is both insightful and honest. It's a reminder that the destruction brought by Ian Watkins' actions are still likely to be felt many years down the line (amongst the child victims in particular).
An excellent piece of writing on the subject is contained within Ian Winwood's book 'Bodies - Life and Death in music'. Winwood was a friend of Watkins and the band and describes the decline in relationship that Watkins had with his band mates. He surmises that the indulgence of the once charismatic frontman into extreme drug use and dangerous behaviours was a typical dysfunction found within the music industry. However, Watkins was able to hide an even darker part of himself (as the court notes acknowledge) through an alienated and insular lifestyle away from his friends and public.
The rest of the band were literally left with nothing. Even the bands savings, it is alleged, were plundered and spent by Watkins without their knowledge. A fifteen year legacy of building a successful band from the very ground up was utterly destroyed, along with it came the outright betrayal of the innocence and future of a number of children (note: The ipcc document actually shows there were MORE children abused by Watkins than just contained within the thirteen charges against him. One father came to a police station to state that his 15 year Old daughter had been abused by Watkins, but the charges were dropped due to the police convincing the father that "it would ruin Watkins career").
As for still listening to the band....that should be an individual decision. But I feel it's grossly unfair to flush the hard work of the other band members away for the selfish actions of Watkins. Oh yeah....and listen to No Devotion.
Spot on my Sean that!
People forget the other members of the band and in all honesty, lostprophets helped shape my music taste now.
They are the reason I know the blackout.
I still consider "Rooftops", "Shinobi VS. Dragon Ninja", "Last Train Home" and (barring the music video which makes me uneasy watching it nowadays) "A Town Called Hypocrisy" great songs. They, to me, legitimately get me pumped up. They are catchy.
It's just a shame Ian turned out to absolute scumbag doing what he did and now he's paying for it. He deserves every bit of hell coming his way and justice rightfully served.
I started listening to lostprophets when I was 6, just after liberation transmission came out. They got me into the scene and made me who I am today. I was 12 when Ian was arrested and it destroyed me, but even now listening to them calms me down. I'm seeing No Devotion next month and I cannot wait to thank the boys for everything they have done for me
That was when they got shit. Listen to The Fake Sound of Progress.
@@dvda9725I owned all of their albums
This is so wholesome. I hope it went well x
I agree man they really had great music as a band it's undeniable art
I'm just happy that the rest of the band joined up with Geoff Rickley to form No Devotion, I hope they are successful, Thursday were a great band and Lostprophets "were" a great band up until that point, much love to the former band members apart from the obvious member ❤❤❤
Lostprophets (music) still is great. People need to learn to separately the artist from the music. If you didn't listen to an artist because of the kind of person they are, you wouldn't listen to anybody.
One of the unintended fallouts of this case has been seeing true crime youtubers and podcasts cover it and, sadly for some, jump on the "the rest of the band knew" theory and galvanizing their audience with it. It sucks that something this simple and rational as what Sean is saying here to debunk them has to be said, but some people just can't let it go.
I guess everything has to fit a tight narrative for them. Some people want to believe none of this would've happened if they had been there, that something else could have been done to prevent these crimes or whatever. It's easier to fall into this mentality than to acknowledge the harsher, colder reality that you just don't know someone 100% unless you're stuck with them 24/7 and know what's in their mind all the time... which is impossible.
It's pretty weird to see all those generic videos scripted from Wikipedia with millions of views. Ian's story would really benefit from a real documentary approach, and that'll never happen because who wants to give that guy more teenage fangirls?
Well said Sean boy!!! 👏
Well said 👍👍 subbed
Wasn't Ian the blackout's drummer for a bit? I remember him behind the kit at a show. I remember Geoff saying the reasons for him singing for No Devotion was because he strongly believed the guys deserved a second chance for how they had been screwed over by Ian. I also remember Magzy from one of the local hardcore bands jumping on Ian and beating the shit out of him at Bogiez in cardiff a few weeks before he got arrested(I remember being stood next to the bar with scott lee andrews- who sean knows so you can ask him to confirm it, when it happened). We later joked/theorized that magzy had a premonition of what ian was doing so got his punches in early!
Magzy was just jealous of Ian's success in the music industry
Lostprophets/the Blackout/ Bring me the horizon was the first concert i went to when i was young, heartbreaking when i found out the news but lately i had the urge to listen to one of their songs (16 or so years later). the music itself if brilliant, although it had been a challenge to seperate the art from the artist like others have mentioned. A friend said to me, the art is the good in a person coming out ( his light side) and that has really helped.
I 1. Always wanted YOUR perspective on this because the blackout had a very solid connection to the band. And 2. It hurts me that the other guys lost everything and same, if I won the lottery I think about buying the publishing and giving it back to them. They could have their work back and record or just be themselves again. I don't know any of them but I think about them all the time
I think the problem is because Ian wrote all the music people see Ian Watkins as being lost prophets if he never wrote any of the music and just performed then I reckon they would still be around today
The only song I love from Lost Prophet is “The Last Train Home” that’s all. I’m sad I can’t find it anywhere even ITunes 😢😢
It's still on spotify?
Start Something was and is still a great album from that era. I can separate art from artist, which is why I still listen to it on occasion. Likewise with Kevin Spacey, Michael Jackson, Louis CK, and other other tarnished names...I prefer to focus on the good they left behind rather than the dark side of them individually.
I do believe the band was completely unaware, and the 'energy drink beating' story backs it up. As you guys said, if they would lay into him like that just for missing a show (I know tensions were already high at the time, but still), imagine if they got their hands on him had they caught him in the act. The dust from his bones would be gone by now.
Not even from that era, I truly believe that Start Something is timeless. It was just a record that was missed twice (2004 being the year when that “nu metal” Linkin Park/Deftones/Incubus/Hoobastank-esque sound was out of style and the emo/pop-punk sound was then in the spotlight).
Considering how Deftones and Linkin Park came back to full blown prominence as of late and nu metal is now having a bit of a comeback, there’s no doubt in my mind that Start Something would be having a renaissance rn had Ian not been such a sick human. People would be like “this is the greatest record of all time.”
It truly is unfortunate for everyone associated w/Lostprophets (besides Ian, of course).
@@ryanjohnson6614As far as a renaissance goes, The Fake Sound of Progress would be hitting it big, that's the album nu metal diehards love, and for good reason.
I remember stumbling across lostprophets never really got into them much but once I heard later on what Ian did I was thankful. He’s a horrible person. Deserves to be where he is.
I went to a few of their gigs and I loved them. They were lovely guys. I still listen to their songs. What Ian did was despicable. But he rest of the guys shouldn’t have to be portrayed the same as him 😢
It’s a shame that that will “haunt” them for the rest of their lives
Book the CIA, Sean front man of lost prophets, donate every last penny to children's charity and play a lost prophets set. Load of local bands to open. promote moving on from Ian . Don't make it about money, make it about the music.
Saw lostprophets as a teenager in a pub in Plymouth in... Must have been about 2001,2002? Absolutely blown away, got the debut album as soon as it was out and from there they were my favorite band. Went to multiple shows all over the place on every single UK tour (except the very last ironically). Last one I ever went to was the Cardiff gig where they played Start Something in full. Was a strange one because on one hand it was incredible to see that album performed in full for what k believe was the only ever time, but it was also clear that Ian was totally fucked up on drugs (at least that's all we thought it was) and I remember leaving wondering how long the band would be together if he didn't sort his act out. If only I'd known.
Hate what happened for the other boys, ad as much as I know it's ridiculous, I've always felt a sense of guilt listening since so very rarely do. It's not fair to the rest at all, and maybe it'd be easier if it wasn't his voice on the records, but yeah, that's just how I feel.
I'll Google his name every now and again, hoping to find a story that he's been brutally assaulted, or killed in prison. Even that is far more than he deserves.
The Cooperage!
@@goldinho Yep! What a place, also saw Bowling for Soup in there. Really sad how much of a state the building is in now.
They could've carried on as Lostprophets with him (Sean) or Brandon.
Nah
That suggestion was brought up in that Sappenin episode I believe. I think it was Stu saying one part of him wishes they would've gotten him or the singer of Kids In Glass Houses.
@Alexandra Klein yeah but it's now "tainted music" due to its association with Ian. Also Geoff has said he won't sing lostprophets songs due to association with Ian.
Most of there songs felt like they were in response to child abuse and feeling empowered again. And their lead singer got consumed by the worst kind of it, likely from it… thank you to the rest of their spirits
There is a MySpace webchat where he makes a lewd comment about young fans and one of the bandmates goes "I know i've seen the picutres"
I low-key like Gary glitter
The music was amazing the other guys seem cool ians just one of the most evil people in the world...its crap how many people's live hes ruined the victims the other guys in the band to a lesser extent fans in a sense tainted memories of great music
Only one problem with this argument
There were numerous reports back as early as 2008-2009 about Ian being a pedophile and being inappropriate with young fans backstage. I read about it on forums and I knew these rumors and I wasn’t even in the band. And you’re telling me that the band members, who interacted with him more than any fan, didn’t know.
I call bullshit.