Federal HST .327 Magnum Ballistic Test - This Gets Personal!
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- Testing the Federal HST .327 Federal Magnum in a 10% Clear Ballistics test with and without denim and rib simulation from my 1.875" bbl Ruger LCR snub nose revolver. Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.co...
I have gotten a few comments about how bad my draw is, how I need a new holster etc. But have you ever considered this? Watch video. ua-cam.com/video/k7zTWqB3vUI/v-deo.html
I just watched your video shooting old school and new school .357 from a 4 inch and realized this HST .327 did just as well ( except for the black talon) same penetration and expanded a bit larger, from a 1.8 inch barrel!!? What the heck? That is crazy.
5 hits from 6 with a snubby at 75y is impressive.
4 of them in 2 holes...
I'm still pissed that Ruger won't offer the 3" LCR in .327 and that they don't make hammerless 3" LCRs. They have all the parts...they could literally just assemble what I'm talking about.
They offer 327 in 3" and 4" SP101. The size/weight difference is not that big of a deal.
Agreed. I've messed them a couple of times over their website with this exact request. They already have the 3-inch frame LCR in .357mag, why can't they simply do it in .327.
I can’t wait to see more of these 327 Federal HST Tests !!
327 Federal Magnum is the best Snub Nose Cartridge on the Planet 🌎
Best at what?
It would be if it wasn't so expensive
@theone031 ballastics per barrel length and controllability. 357 is slightly more powerful from a 2 inch but way more recoil because the bullets are heavier....not to mention 1 less round in small revolvers. 327 is also versatile, not limited to 327.
@@theone031 It’s by far the most efficient cartridge out of a snub nose barrel. It is also the most versatile chambering. Able to accept 32 Short, 32 Long, 32 H&R Magnum and 327 Federal Magnum.
@@NvrchFotia It’s absolutely worth the price. Even though it’s expensive.
I really wish that this round had taken off and that I could walk in a gun store and buy this ammo off the shelf along with a wider variety of firearms that chamber it.
It has a very strong cult following, I too wish it would become more popular, but here in America 38/357 has been a marshall caliber for over 150yrs. The 327federal has a very steep path to climb. Especially since 32h&r seems to take half the market for 32 caliber revolvers. We can thank lipseys/s&w for continuing that trend.
I'm noticing now 2024 that more and more shops are carrying the ammo. It seems to be more .327 Federal Magnum, but also a good amount of .32 H&R Magnum cartridges as well. Obviously you can easily order it online as well.
@@BurkeSchneider You can’t order it online in Alaska, easily or otherwise, Lol.
@@KD-lb9bgI wouldn't even carry a .327 anywhere outside of City limits in Alaska with all the Grizzlys/brown bears/cougars, but then again I'm not from Alaska.
Great gun! Great caliber! Great balistics! I love mine, however, I run mine with .32 S&W full Wadcutters because only good hits matter.
*laughs in hydrostatic shock
@@theone031 2200 fps?
why not meet in the middle with .32 H&R magnum?
Magtech runs a Semi-jacketed hollow point that performs quite well in .32 S&W Long.
Man, looks like Federal knocked it out of the park with that one. I normally carry 85 grain Federal when I carry 327 and it gets pretty good velocity out the Ruger. I definitely like the idea of a 104 grain much better though. It seems like HST is a really great design.
Hydrashoks are decent. The .327 version reminded me of Gold Dot bullets.
I like 85-grains in the LCR. I might try these in the SP101 or GP100.
Impressive shooting at 75 yards!
Good final analysis
Thanks for sharing and regards from Washifornia
Even though the revolver got stuck holster ,you can still pull the trigger and fire the full cylinder, while point shooting at that point. Were if a semi gets caught in the holster you only get that one shot !!!
I watch a lot of videos related to shooting. I think you’re one of the best channels out there. Your tests are consistent and the information you convey is excellent. Also, you are a much better shot than you give yourself credit for. Really appreciate your time and effort in making these videos. Well done Sam.
I think the 327 fed mag is an awesome round! The video Hickok45 did with the Henry lever action in 327 was crazy, that thing was destroying every target that it hit - probably the most impressive ballistics display I've seen of his videos and it definitely got me interested in the round.
Ken was a retired police Captain and Vietnam vet. I also was fortunate enough to receive a firearm from him, a Glock 19 gen 3. It's my favorite semi-auto and one I'll never part with. I haven't heard from him in awhile. Sorry to segue, but he deserves a mention. Onto the video.
He's a cool guy. He was on my Patreon off and on, and back on briefly about a year ago. I also told him which I am sticking to, that I am not selling anything he gave me. He gave me that Diamondback DB9 and the LCR in 2019. The Diamondback is a conversation piece and that's about it, but the LCR is truly good.
@@GunSam Thanks for the update on Ken.
Love the more obscure self defense rounds, 327 seems to have earned its place. Thanks again for the presentation.
.327 expanding to .60. Damn
..Absolutely Broken..
Why I like it with the right ammo. 9mm+P 5" barrel performance, out of my pocket.
@@327Federalbroken?
@@robarmstrong5404 OP
you should have seen what luckygunner got with the .45 acp +P Golden Sabers...... a full inch wide.
Thanks to your video? I purchased one,changed grips, and purchased an Alabama hoster.
I don’t think I’ve seen anything better from a snuby! I would definitely feel confident carrying those babies!
There we go, finally some .327 action! I've been watching closely for that thing to make a comeback ever since the last vid you had it in, a year or two ago however long it's been. Have not personally fired any HST ammo but this is highly encouraging to try running through my EC9. Sidenote I'm *still* waiting on both of my local shops to get an LCR in 327 through the door, is not an easy gun to get down here. I think they sell before they even make it to the display rack
If you don't want to wait, it is not hard to find them online.
@@gd613 too much of a pain in the ass to get them shipped.. our ffl's are getting very skittish lately so finding one to receive the order is getting harder and harder.
Most of the time I’m carrying 9mm+p+/+p or my .38 special +p out of my 642. That 327 federal mag definitely interests my fancy instead of getting a Ruger lcr in 357 mag/38. 104 grains with great velocity and great energy especially when it’s an HST. Great video thanks for the testing and information.
Never been disappointed with HSTs! 👍Impressive defense load.
GS. Good video. Looks like good ammo with a little kick. Been a while since we have seen the .327, good shooting. Thanks for sharing and take care.
Thanks, take care. The recoil is as fast and as hard as .357 Magnum, however there's just less recoil in general. Like in the palm of your hand it hits just as hard, yet it doesn't as the recoil doesn't then travel through your wrist and down your arm like a .357 Magnum snub.
@@GunSam Thanks I appreciate your explanation on that. I thought the recoil would be a lot less than the .357 Mag. But it is still strong but a bit different than the .357. Thanks for commenting back. I appreciate all your work.
Very impressive! I would feel very confident carrying this!
I’m very impressed with 327. The LCR and the round make such a logical combo along with the versatility of using other 32 cal loads. Sure wish 327 could escape the boutique status and become more mainstream (read:available). That looks like a promising load. Great review.
Had Ruger continued to make a 327 magnum Sp101 they would have a perfect competitor to both the Colt Detective and the Kimber. Then again I wish Smith could have made an affordable J frame
I didn't realize they didn't make them anymore.
@@GunSam I didn't see it in their catalog.
@@ftdefiance1 Would be a shame. From what I understand, the use of the 3" Ruger SP101 was the very gun that Federal used to create the cartridge around.
Still in catalog, but "Currently Unavailable".
They are still all over the place online. They never stopped making them. Taurus has now joined the .327 game.
I'll bet that is an absolute screamer in my Ruger single seven 7 1/2". Not sure I'd ever want to fire 327 without good hearing protection, its LOUD!
Yea. This HST load is good, as was the Gold Dot. But that 40k-45k psi is an ear-splitter.
When I carry mine it has .32 mags in it. The .327 is just too loud / blasty. Perhaps a @120 gr bullet at 1000 fps would be better?
good choice....i also carry an lcrx 327, have to shoot a lighter load in that small firearm, but i carry the federal hst in my winter carry, a sp101 3 inch verry comfortable shooter with the extra weight and larger grips. keep up the good work....thanks
Velocity does seem to solve a lot of things.
Yes, I have noticed this. Some people say that expansion can't happen below 1,000 FPS, but I have seen it at 600 FPS with some ammo. But jacketed ammo does seem to need a good amount of velocity, and over 1,250 FPS I don't think I have seen a hollow point not expand even if it was cheap.
Woohoo!!
LOVE THIS STUFF!!!
I still have some old 115g stuff
I have heard about it. By now, hearing about 115 gr Gold Dot is like hearing about the mythical Black Talon .357 Mag.
@@GunSam I have some of that too! 😝😋👍🏼
@@cw2a I got a box about half full of the SXT 180 gr black HP circa about 1993.
I had very high hopes for these once they were announced. They exceeded those hopes in this test! I’m glad I ordered a couple of boxes. They will be my carry rounds in my LCRx .327.
A 327 should have Chevy in front of it.
Kidding aside... Your accuracy isn't as bad as you say. I suspect that after running that ammo a bit more you'll like it and accuracy will suit you just fine.
Gotta go. My wifey wants to know why a little round tosses that gun around.
Try a Mika’s pocket holster. It won’t come out with your gun like yours did.
Dang it ! Now I am looking for a revolver in .327
I didn’t know you could get a HENRY REPEATING ARMS BIG BOY BRASS .327 FEDERAL 20-INCH 10RDS !
@@TexasRoadWarrior really or are ya joking?
Oh you’re talking about the rifle, I thought you meant the new revolvers! 😳 Lol 😆
@@michigunsanta8680 haha definitely the rifle
@TexasRoadWarrior Lipseys is producing a blued 3” Ruger SP101 in .327 with upgraded sights. They have them at GrabAGun.
Awesome I just got a couple of boxes of HST today I will run some practice tomorrow but good video took some of the guess work out of this ammo for me.
I've watched lots of your videos where penetration is deeper into the gel with the denim and MDF. It surprises me every time because I intuitively expect it to penetrate less when going through the extra two items.
The diameter of the bullet is usually smaller after hitting denim and MDF, so there's no shock less diameter goes deeper on the same energy.
Congrats. You showed me a new caliber today.
It’s stats are absolutely broken out of a snub nose revolver!
Any recommended manufacturers for a good one?
@@ericfintel3759 Ruger LCR 327 is Top Shelf
@@327Federal awesome. I do love ruger.
Excellent! I've always been a fan of the 32 h&r
Now if I could find some.. Try the ammo with the stock grip... see if it helps... I think it will. HST is the Gold Standard ammo... IMO
Look like a really good carry load.
👍😊 a sub nose with power rounds are a hand-full of recoil . I like the round nice shooting.
Recoil isn't too bad. Not like a magnum of any kind, more like shooting a subcompact .40 caliber.
Great video showcasing 327
They Should make a 10 shot revolver in 327 fed Magnum Ruger should
I think it would be hard to do, as no matter how you slice it with normal sized cylinders, you can only add 1 extra round. Now if you went a hair bigger than the N frame/Redhawk size revolver cylinder, you probably could pull off 10 chambers, but we also have to realize the normal operating pressure of .327 Federal is 45,000 PSI, so I would imagine gun companies would be hesitant to have chamber walls that narrow. Now, a 9 shot N frame/Redhawk frame I could see as a potential thing.
The Redhawk with 8 shot .357 might only fit 9 shot of 327. And the Redhawk already is a huge and heavy revolver.
@@GieszkanneI think your absolutely right. Further the 357 magnum Redhawk is seen as Black Bear medicine where I don't see the 327 being seen the same way.
I know the 9 shot can be done but I say 10 I know it would be huge but I think it could be done and I agree a Ruger redhawk would probably be the gun to do it I think they could do it make it a cylinder like a 500 s&w mag size even it would take off I think
Impressive results and better shooting than you give yourself credit for. I'll be keeping an eye out for some of that ammo!
There’s just something about HSTs…oh, maybe it’s because THEY PERFORM…CONSTANTLY!👍😄
I now have a caliber to check out. Thanks
Good show, Sam! Your past demonstrations of .327 Mag sold me on getting an LCR, then a Single Seven 7.5” and Henry lever carbine came soon after!
It's the modern .32-20 WCF.
IMHO
Skip the LCR till later
I have a Henry Big Boy I can tell ya, you wont be sorry!
Smooth as fine silk shoots like a dream
I at the same time got a Single 7, it shoots sweet too.
I also picked up a Henry .22 and a Ruger Wrangler because, why not.
Nice! I just ordered a box online right after viewing: Thanks for the upload/heads up. I was staring to lose hope that any good .327 Federal loadings would ever be in stock again since Gold Dot possibly seems to have stopped manufacturing their 100 gr. Now it looks like the 100 gr. Gold Dot finally has a worthy competitor!
Another great video, thanks.
Thank you
Thanks for the demonstration.
I just sold my S&W UC revolvers and bought an LCR in 327 Fed Mag. That little cartridge is no joke.
I don't think that I've ever seen the HST fail in any caliber. I've been wanting some for the 45 acp for ages but finding HSTs in standard pressure loads is like finding a squach in the back yard. I can find the +P rated ammo on line pretty easy but because my pistol has an aluminum alloy frame it's not rated for +P loads. I might break down and get a couple boxes of the +P loads. I don't think that a mag full will hurt the pistol anyway, just like a cylinder full of +P rounds won't hurt a standard pressure 38 Special pistol. Most gun manufacturers build their products to handle a few higher pressure rounds because they know that some of the people that own their guns will probably shoot a few hot rounds through them. And since my life is priceless, I'll take the risk.
SGAmmo has it in stock right now. Its $40 a box but they have it. Its 50 round boxes though. I know I have a bit of it at home in standard pressure and +P. Should have bought even more when I got it last. I paid $25 per box of 50 at a gun show. He only had maybe 10 boxes of each and I bought a couple of each from him then. I have some I bought elsewhere too but that was the last time I bought any.
Impressive video. Zero BS nonsense. You are very articulate providing a lot of technical detail.
Hurrah for the little hot caliber. Glad Federal has this option for it. Lot of things going for that 6-shot LCR, including at least two other cartridges that are viable with the right bullets.
it's versatile. The .327 Federal is as powerful as a typical 125 gr .357 Mag from a snub, yet the .32 Long has half the recoil of a .38 Special.
@@GunSam If I recall, you felt the Magtech SJHP in that .32 S&W L was decent.
Nothin' wrong w/ your shooting , Gun Sam . The ammo seemed to perform to text-book standards , and I can see why you choose to carry that little snubby . You're great with it . I own a Ruger "Single-Seven" w/ a 4.62" bbl which I on a blue moon carry , and I think I'll get me some of that Federal Hst as its carry load . It should offer even more expansion from the longer barrel .Yep , as usual , GREAT VIDEO !
I also carry an LCR 327. I stocked up on the 85-grain Hydra-Shoks. I shoot them very well. Felt recoil is on par with .38+p from the LCR 38. (Of course, the difference on fruit and jugs is dramatic.)
327 revolvers can also shoot 32 HR magnum, 32 long and 32 short.
You can shoot 32 ACP also
@@paulmartin6895 in theory. I’m hesitant because it’s not a revolver cartridge.
@@paulmartin6895 You 'can' but in my experience it isn't worth it. Had to raise the muzzle to the sky, tap the gun to make the cartridges drop down against the frame, then if I leveled the gun slowly they would fire at 500 FPS instead of 900 FPS like they should have.
Facts !
I done it with out any problem. Just to give other ideas on the 327. I reload and cast for it also all 5 cartridges.
Looked a little too hot, even for you. I like the idea of the 327, but would probably run the 32 H&R Magnum. That 7 shot 3" Charter Arm Professional has been talking dirty to me lately. 🤔
Ruger should make lcrx in .327 fed mag with a 3-inch barrel, it would make a great kit gun.
Great test. I just purchased 6 boxes of this for my Ruger 327. I'll go to the range check it out, get used to it and if everything goes ok, swap it out for the Underwood Extreme Defender as my carry ammo.
I might have to pick some of that up? 🤔👍🏻
The 327 Magum is my favorite revolver chambering and the LCR is a great choice for carry. Thanks for the video as I didn't know Federal came out with an HST load in 327.
The clearest clear gel I’ve seen. 32 H&R Magnum HST would be nice.
A fav weapon with my fav caliber!~ Great test with favorable results. Superb job Sam.
I would love to see what that would do out of my 4.2 inch SP101.
1,500 FPS! Probably just expand even bigger and go a couple inches deeper.
Thank you for the information, I just ordered two boxes. Thanks again!!
Finally some decent ammo for .327, luckily I stocked up before ‘20, but still would be nice to be able to grab some boxes whenever I want.
Now we know the "Paul Harvey" on the "Would it Fire' video!!!
Fantastic hits @ 75 yrds. Where do I get a Paul Kersey shirt like yours?
I think it was the teepublic website
Devastating! I LOVE it! Those have really similar muzzle energy to the Gold Dots, and a bit more penetration too!
Thanks for watching. If you get a chance to run them in organic gel, i'd love to see the results. It's unlikely beyond you and I, that anyone will test these in all of UA-cam.
Im considering the .327 round and the Ruger LCR specifically, thank you for this vid.
Seems like a great round. Maybe for another video you can do a VS of .38 +P or .357 mag in HST form VS this round. I'm just curious to see how this compares to the .38/.357 versions and also whatever is currently the best performing rounds in those calibers alongside this as well. Basically I'm trying to help find more excuses to make more videos featuring .327 Fed. Mag.. :)
Love my 327, for me it's the perfect choice between38 +p and 357 mag. Great shooting! God bless!
Thanks... this begs for a new video, Gold Dot .327 vs HST .327
I've been looking for a Ruger in .327, I'd rather have a 1769. It's a unicorn at the gunshows I go to. That said, this does look like a great carry ammo.
This is my go to ammo. I don't buy jell so I test through 2 layers of 12 oz duck canvas into water jugs and this usually gets to the 4th jug and expands to .55-.60.
I have a .32cal mad by H&R after I get the horrible trigger worked I plan to explore 32's. BTW 5 out of 6 with a 2in at 75yds very impressive. If I remember Mass State Police have a standard of 2 rounds at 75yds in 2 seconds from draw with aa 4in. Pistol. Time not a factor 5 hits at 75 with 2in. Scary good shooting!
I have always heard people talk 2" VS longer barrels, quote more sight radius with longer barrels and all of that. I personally have never seen that when I shoot. Maybe it's just my eyes but a 2" barrel VS a 6" barrel and the sights line up the same for me. I find grip size to be more of a challenge when it comes to long range accuracy more than anything.
I love my ruger lcf 327 as well, its my most carried gun and id never get rid of it. But in addition to it, I feel like I need an sp101 or maybe even the new taurus in .327 to take full advantage of the caliber. The taurus 327 is comparable in size to the lcr, but since its all steel its 5 ounces heavier. Id like to get the sp101 but they must not make many of them because they are extremely rare.
As far as the lcr goes, I think ill stick with the .327 85 grain HST for it. Theres no doubt that this round is way better ballistically. But good shot placement beats good ballistics. And shooting rounds like the gold dot and this one out of the lcr take away half the advantage that a .327 mag has to offer. Yeah, the recoil might be milder than .357 mag, but in a gun as light as the lcr, its not by very much.
Bought a case of this HST load and had a few range sessions. My 2" LCR shot it very well but my 3" SP101 shot it even better. My Henry Big Boy was extremely accurate with he HST at 100 yds.
Good video! I always appreciate your presentations. The .327 mag is a great carry gun for self defense!
Looks like a very good load. I eas guesstimating it would get around 1300 fps. I have been interested in an LCR in 327 for a couple of years, mostly because of your tests. I wouldn't mind the 3" 38 either, and i would love a 3" Kimber K6 (you see the pattern there?). How about a couple of comparison tests? Maybe the 327 vs a 357 snubby (you could even try the Win USA 110 gr load, for a baseline). Maybe try a compact 9mm with good ammo, HST or Gold Dot. But focus on revolvers a bit. Appreciate all your tests.
I’d like to see more close range accuracy testing; let say 7 yards?
Awesome round! Makes me want to buy a lcrx in .327 wish it was more common
I carry my 327 with Underwood Extreme Defender 95 grain. Love this gun
Good shooting with a jumping snubby. That recoil would require a good amount of practice beyond other slightly larger firearms like the 365 or the Shield etc.
I cant wait til they actually release the 357 magnum HST. They announced it a while ago but its still not available anywhere.
I like that .327 mag ctg myself !
I’m still at this point thinking I should pick one up !
Back in 2021, I decided the 327 was the round I would want-for both CC and home defense. However, NO gun shop I tried, whether online or in person could get the ammo or the firearm. One shop owner (I really trust) told me this difficulty would continue for several years.
I live behind the Iron Curtain in the Peoples Republic of New Jersey, where it already takes five weeks to simply purchase a gun, so God knows when I could even see an available 327. This kind of bureaucratic quagmire makes my pursuit of a 327 futile.
I have had two Ruger LCRs-one in 38 and one in 22LR. These DAO snubbies are designed for close-in use, not accuracy, especially at 75 yards. You did quite well all things considered. With a three-inch LCRx your accuracy in SA would likely be more than satisfactory.
Great ammo review/choice Sam.!
Thank you
HST are always impressive in performance. A solid carry load for sure.
Looks like it might be time for a pocket holster upgrade. There's a few kydex ones with nice pronounced "hooks" for snagging your pocket so you never draw it with the gun. The Aholster Company Backbone pocket holster has hooks that can grab front or the rear of your pocket. The Vedder Pocket Locker has a hook for the rear of the pocket and an optional thumb shelf to help pop it off as well. Might be worth looking into
A traditional fix for that problem is to wrap a bunch of rubber bands around the bottom of the pocket holster. It sometimes works!............................elsullo
I've been very satisfied with my Ruger LCRx .357 snubby. Very light and versatile. Any night sight upgrade recommendations for it @GunSam? Thanks for all your hard work for your presentations. Nice to have the variety and serious content vs. all the industry hot air on other channels.
Nice pocket holster! I like to use Aliengear for my G43x. Pocket holsters are so comfortable
In case you are concerned with BIAS on your caliber, I agree that looks good in the Gel.
Slo mo camera is really nice. .327 mag is the way to go. I'm ordering one.
This is such an incredible round. Don’t understand why they don’t create a rimless version. Can you imagine a 1903 with a double stack mag running 15 or 16 rounds of this? That’s the perfect conceal carry auto.
"It's not you, it's me"
Thanks Gun Sam. I'm so impressed I just ordered 200 rounds to feed MY LCR snubby!
I've never seen HST but I've been using 115 grain Gold Dot for about 5 years. Too bad it's discontinued. I was lucky to find a big stash of it.
My first reaction seeing the grips is they look too round?
Just a wild guess, you are way above me!
Great video, as usual! 👍👍
Good shooting, hitting at 75 yds
Awesome cool shirt I love the lcr carry both 357 and 9 mm.