Thoughts on Toriyama, Dragonball, Creation
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- In true fashion, I only remembered all the things I wanted to talk about in the final ten minutes.
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One of the images I saw spreading after the news of Toriyama passing was the last page of the manga where he asked us to tackle life with as much energy as Goku did. Nobody is perfect. Toriyama included, but he was never striving to be perfect. He was simply a passionate, hard working man who wanted to share his passion with the world. It's just tragic that his passion may have contributed to his death. Which is way too common among mangaka, unfortunately.
Gt didnt have a manga
@@thrax5074 My mistake. It's probably the ending of Z that I'm thinking of. Never knew GT didn't get a manga, though.
@@N00BSYBORG pretty sure GT got a manga adaptation fairly recently or something
He was also a notorious smoker.
@@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக் A lot of people smoke copiously in East Asian countries.
Exceptionally well said and entirely agree with the sentiment regarding obsession and gaining a talent.
Hey Mark would love if you did a short video on what Toriyama meant to you because it's how me and my brother got to watch you through your creative and funny dragon ball videos anyways nice to see you here
Nothing is wrong about criticising something you love. Nothing is perfect.
I’m most confident in shitting on things I like, as I know it can be better.
Weirdly I think criticizing something (a media) you love is a higher form of love?
Except for Cell
@@shiromakotoi agree but, i think it depends on how you criticize it. There is definitely a mean spirited way to do it
@shiromakoto nah. That's bullshit
99% of criticism is goobers trying to outsmart the writers. Very little of it extends any charitability or approaches the story with a hammer intending to rip it down and break it.
“If you are watching this in the future” is such an odd statement cause no one can watch this in any other way then in the future.
Sounds like a skill issue. I'm watching this in 2009
Get him!
@@cattibingoI need tips. I haven't been able to go back before 2017.
Trunks can watch this in the future
What, toriyama is gonna die??!!! Somebody warn him!!!!!
Something is so powerful about the thought that Toriyama was never some genius who wrote the perfect show but his show got to where it's at because of all the passion and love for the craft that seeps out of it
Sincerity is the most powerful tool an artist can use. Anything can be enthralling or captivating if it's made with sincerity.
He was truly a man of boundless passion for the thing he loved the most. 46 years, Toriyama. RIP Mr. Toriyama
One of the things that separate Latin America from the rest of the world in terms of Dragon Ball is how much of an amazing adaptation we got. We started straight from the original DB all the way to GT with no cuts, perfect dub done by theatre actors with scripts translated straight from the japanese with all original terms preserved, all original soundtrack and no censorship. We were very lucky to have such a meticulous team making the dub with so much love.
Still is a bummer that the kid Goku era has some weird things (like "onda glaciar" or Krillin knowing that Jackie Chun is Roshi) and that all the insert songs were removed
@@diegoantoniofrias9309 I think that was the dub from Spain. But I could be wrong.
@@kevintanza6968 No, the Spain dub for the first 60 chapters is actually very faithful to the original
Yeah, all us North Americans got was a brief recap of Dragonball, and then it jumps right into Dragonball Z. Which is strange because Toriyama's entire manga is just called Dragonball.
Indeed. People in South America had the best experience anime-wise in the 90's. That is for sure! hahahaha
There won't ever be another artist like *THE* creator of many masterpieces on this uncertain planet. You'll always be missed, but never forgotten. Rest in peace, Akira Toriyama.
Toriyama’s mechanical design’s are strangely cuddly. I think you captured that quite well, Plague.
I glance at it and go "Oh, it's a Goku." And that's the end of the thought process. As a viewer I'm not tapped into the flaws.
@@TealWolf26 I think OP was referring to the bike. It's less evident here because it's not sentient (...or is it??) but Toriyama definitely had a knack for making robots look strangely huggable and endearing - Gill, Robo etc.
@@GuyDude-hk8uy Oh ok, I guess I misunderstood, thanks.
Three constants in the world:
The sun shines
Earth revolves around the sun
Plague makes the best DB videos
Two out of three ain't bad.
@@iridescentsea3730so you’re geocentrist?
@@glurpious73must live in Seattle
"not a dragon ball channel" he says.
its not too late. i grew up in fostercare. was thrown away as an infant, and without getting into the hells i went through, i still found friends. those online relationships. are still real. and i met my wife online. and we've been living together for the last 6 years.
you can still have what you yearn for. you gotta tell yourself to shut up sometimes. and do what your heart wants. not all the time. but sometimes. the feeling feels permanent. and it may last decades. but you can get out, just be willing to bet on your happiness. Best wishes "buddy"
Toriyama was great at coming up with ideas on the fly. That's the show of a great writer and artist.
Saiyan saga is the perfect example of this where the power levels were a great plot system to show where each of the fighters had to be to even get close to Vegeta
Cell saga while a mess due to many reasons outside of his control. Ascended Saiyan was amazing I just wish they did more with it after the fact.
Imagine if Toriyama took a hiatus between the Cell and Buu saga. He could have made the Buu saga more cohesive and less messy
@@tomasfong40 japanese mangaka always get treated badly by their staff and directors. Many stories would probably be better as a whole like yyh 3ks and DBZ buu saga If the artist were treated better but it's a business at the end of the day and they need every single yen they can squeeze out of these talents.
@@ivanbluecool Foreal
Toriyama didn't create power levels though. Kinnikuman (a series which im sure helped him come up with the Kamehameha) did it years before.
@@UberDr009 i don't think you actually read my comment. I said used power levels not invented them by which I mean the system in both a power level and story narrative of how the characters grow or have to show the enemy is a force of terror without them even fighting yet.
Raditz losing through strategy then telling the cast two more are coming and way stronger just let's the imagination tun wild on how strong they are since raditiz was above 1000.
I was very happy you decided to release it. I've been listening to your Dragon Ball vids on repeat for years now because they're so spot on and so funny because you genuinely understand the series the way a real long-time fan would. It was a nice comfort to reminisce with following Toriyama's death.
yep
Same I thought I was the only one
I think most people can tell that your criticisms of the series comes from a love of it.
Hope so.
It’s unfortunate that a lot of people think criticism means hating something. That goes for every series and it just gets annoying having fanboys defend every point because they blindly like it. If things don’t get criticized, then stuff won’t improve
You give too much credit to people to actually use their brains
@@Yvans1021People can't come to terms with the fact that something they love has flaws. But saying that everything is great and just overanalyze everything to justify every creative decision is moronic. One Piece and Jujutsu Kaisen fans do this all the time, for example.
The best criticism is when you criticize something so that it can be nurtured and improved.
How dare you call me out about gohan and be one HUNDRED percent right lol
With a franchise as monolithic as DragonBall, there is always going to be someone, somewhere, at any given time, making content about it. People that label you as a grifter and don't believe you were working on it prior are disingenuous at best and you do not need to justify yourself to them.
I did not expect going into this video rethinking who I am and how I should change my life to reflect it.
Yeah, that's amazing stuff seeing a bit of it every time in some of his videos like this or irl videos if those are a thing it's just beautifully well put and powerful of something to share.
I cringe at most "motivational" stuff because it's all so trite and comes across as naive. Plague's videos are a rare exception in that they're practical (i.e. not pointlessly idealistic) but still very heartfelt.
Love how u draw dragon ball fanart without doing the over-rendered squishy face stuff, gives me great classic DB vibes
What do you mean?
@@ConvictionAnimations I think they are referring to how scrunched up the faces of Dragon Ball characters get whenever they are focused, angry, serious, etc. Compare a panel of kid Goku cheerfully flying around on the Nimbus to Vegeta in a fight. The faces of angry Dragon Ball Z/GT/Super characters get kind of weirdly small if you ignore the eyes.
Mr. Oda and Mr. Kishimoto are not the only manga artists who hold Mr. Toriyama in high esteem. Mr. Togashi was also a gigantic fan of Toriyama, and he has been a huge influence on Togashi's manga. There is an interview on UA-cam where Togashi refers to Mr. Toriyama as a god. He even credits reading Toriyama's works as the reason he has been so successful in the manga industry. Meruem was even inspired by two of the greatest villains in Shōnen, Freeza and Cell. Not to mention Meruem's relationship to Komugi is also reminiscent of Majin Boo's relationship with Mr. Satan. There are other similarities as well. Dragon Ball has impacted many people around the world, he will be missed. Toriyama helped define an entire genre of comics, he was a genius.
Ya know,for a community of professionals that are willing to put their whole life into a couple of drawing over years,sometimes doing things like the objectification of women in their stories,they really are unusually wholesome.like I'll expect people of that caliber to be incels with talent but no,they're nice
one of the issues I noticed in your comedy videos is often times they seem more like a deep analisys than a comedic opinion maybe that's why people "don't get it" I've been following you for years now so i can identify when you're joking but I can understand why others might catch a wrong impression, these recent generation lacks subtlety so you need to insert memes every 10 seconds and joke sounds to make sure they understand is a joke, infantile as it sound that's the average vieweship you're dealing these days.
My two favorite brain damaged farm boys
It’s good to know there’s another “jack of all trades” artist out there. I’ve dreamed of having my own comic by now, but my budding science career has taken all my energy from making art. Balancing everything in life’s made me aggressively middle of the road in my hobbies. But I want to thank you for talking about learning to appreciate all we have. The geniuses I know often envy a life of multiple smaller experiences. Glad to see ur still making the most of who you are Gripes❤
You give great analysis but I think you are putting too much pressure on yourself as a critic. I don't think it's that serious, I doubt Toei has heard of you so its not like you're insulting them - it's perfectly fair to give criticism to pieces of work that you love. Keep doing what you're doing.
Fuck yeah Eli got a girlfriend!
The section about incompleteness allowing for greater interaction was a bit eye opening for me. I never really considered it that way before, although I only noticed this trend in more recent video games. Dragon Ball itself seemed too fundamental for me to imagine viewing it in the same light, so I didn't think about it like that until watching this video.
As a viewer, I knew that works having incomplete ideas prompted people to fill in the blanks themselves, but I saw it as a flaw. People spending time projecting their ideas into a series that they don't own and eventually have to abandon and move on from. If an idea hasn't been fully realized, or not realized at all, that's a mistake on the behalf of the creator, and people doing the work themselves seemed bad because that work should've already been done by the creator before releasing it. (Obviously, this doesn't really apply to manga/anime because of poor work conditions, but they also weren't the type of people I had in mind when coming up with this.)
I didn't really consider that a flawed work allowing people to invest themselves in it works as a bridge to have them start thinking creatively and acts as inspiration to help them make something of their own later down the line. Or that as a creator, it can be appealing to have people attach to a work and have it influence and help them long after their initial viewing.
Still, I don't think creative works should leave valuable ideas out so a subset of readers can put together their own stories. Not everyone can afford to exercise the creativity needed to do this for even one story, let alone if many of them do the same. Not every story needs to, or even can, play an integral role in someone's life. Maybe one or two, or even a handful of works can do that for someone, but just about everyone who reads or watches or experiences stories is going to leave most of them as is, even if all of them have that capability. Maybe they don't even need to be incomplete to have that ability.
People trying to make the best version of their stories that they can, and trying not to miss out on any valuable ideas, is what leads to the one in a million masterpieces that we have now.
"What if people think I'm making this because of X"
Plague, who fucking cares if people who don't watch you or already dislike you think you're "capitalizing" on his death? Have a little text saying the timing was a coincidence and if people believe it or not is their problem, not yours.
i'll be honest i become numb to my childhood fav artist dying,I feel we really must appreciate the time we have with friends and activities we like because it will end at some point.
As a comic artist myself my biggest fear is dying from exhaustion due to something I love,I will finish my comic but a lot us as creators really must find a healthy balance of living life while creating the things we love to do.
Boys, the day I returned home from Highschool and turned on Toonami, and instead of Goku fighting the Ginyu Force it was Raditz arriving at Earth again, I was devastated.
It was the Dark Times, son.
I like you added the "if your watching this in the future" but i think the video and the reaction people had can be easily condensed to that meme.. from simpsons.. "he's already deaddd 😭😭"
Personally i don't mind, i didn't think that it was exploitative at all. i know for a fact that you made it before toriyama passed.
I relate to a lot of what you talked about in this video regarding the social aspect and being a content creator.
It can be a very isolating experience and have adverse negative effects on your mental health as a result. Not seeing and interacting with people on a regular basis, your social life being minimized and your life becoming your work is all too common among this profession.
Most people only see the content they make, but don't know what it's like for the person behind the camera/computer. That's why I started taking more breaks and doing more with my life. You have only one to live, so you might as well use that time to do what you truly want while you have it.
Thank u laughing stock
Wise words Mike well said
I honestly like your dragon ball videos a lot. They’re in depth, clever and pretty funny. I don’t take the critiques so seriously cause at the end of the day. It’s just a manga for young adults and kids. We all love DB in our own way
Yes. Toriyama-san has inspired so many aspects of my life with not only his manga and art but the bits and pieces of his personal life that I've learned about over the years. His professional life inspires me as well. He was a true professional who knew where to have his fun and knew when to take a step back. Having good timing in life is a rare superpower.
thanks for the video.
all your "ramblings" actually help. I've been having so many similar doubts, questions, about life, about passing time, about death, etc.
Plus the art is a great bonus.
33:19 So the thing you're talking about is for whatever reason, Ocean Group only dubbed up until the episode of Goku beating Recoome. They then were later brought back to do the Cell Saga, but didn't do any of the episodes in-between that they missed or any of the Buu stuff, it's wierd.
Holy hell how did you draw a whole fricking motorbike without reference ??? You're a God of Art.
Have a second monitor with references up.
@@NeoBluereaper😂
@@NeoBluereaper Everyone has done at some point. Photo memory is almost a myth.
@@NeoBluereaper *"No one's perfect."*
- DragonBall Z Abridged Cell
@@NeoBluereaperBut I thought he wasn't rich.
"Ethical Predator" is a term I needed and didn't know.
Eli, you are one of the most genuine, heartfelt people on this hellscape of a planet.
Anyone with two braincells to smash against their keyboard could see the love you have in your goku video.
And even if you despised every single panel of every single dragon ball property every drawn, at the end of the day you still acknowledged that Toriyama was a legend and that losing him is a massive cultural blow.
So you probably aren't letting those negative players get to you, but i still say, don't let them get to you.
You're a gem, we're lucky to have you.
Imagine if you had released the video the day before he died. Everyone would have accused you of killing him.
Honestly, if you read the manga all the way thru and including Super’s manga. Goku is the same character he’s always been. It’s the anime, movies and dubs that have differing interpretations of the character that has caused confusion throughout the years. Anyone would be speculating bout that.
this video went from "valuable life stories and appriciation to own self skills" to "i am trying to defend and explain myself to the haters over my past videos",the video is very nice and thoughtful the first half but you lost me at the end half cause it's felt for the most part directed to some minor argument u had in a comment section.
this is the nature of opinions and views,you'll always have agruments that have points that are valid and some that dont,dragging it out like that in the final part of a video that suppose to be directed on your view on toriyama and his creations and how it's effected u and other you know,still a very nice video but please just ignore the arguments rather than dragging them into videos with no context.
The issue with the jokes that you make is that it's very hard to decide which part you're serious about and which part you mean as a joke. It feels a bit like a cop-out, where you can easily say no, that part is actually the joke, and no, that part I actually meant seriously.
Not going to lie: when I saw Toriyama had passed, I wondered what your thoughts were. I appreciate it.
Yeah, as soon as I heard the news of his passing, the first youtubers' response to it I thought of was Plague's.
I’m looking forward to the Sand Land game coming out soon.
I hope the game ends up being decent. It won't be the last adaptation based on his work, but they've been building up to Sand Land for a bit not just with the game.
I have this image in my head where Akira Toriyama is in heaven seeing all the drawings people are making in his honor and you know he appreciates them but then he gets to your drawing and starts crying tears of joy and says “This person really gets me” and puts it in like a wall full of drawings that don’t share a theme beyond personally connecting with him ❤
If you are reading this I never wanted to disrespect anybody and I just wanted to share a mental picture I had in my head that might amuse somebody and make them happy as well as praise Plague in a way only a complete stranger can do. I hope this interaction was a positive one.
Thanks dude. This put a smile on my face❤
@@mr.j3rs3y that makes me very happy!
I, even with a heavy cultural and personal connection to dragon ball still consider it not to be that good as a whole, even bad past the namek saga.
That being said, Toriyama is undoubtedly one of the most influential artists in human history. You could argue he had a comparable impact on his industry as the beetles.
He was not only revolutionary and extremely influential, but also very much himself. His art style is one of the most recognizable ever and every single artist who has experienced his work is influenced by him in some way.
I'm really glad that after the immediate shock where people talked about their personal connections to his work, everyone started talking about his influence over art in the world because I think he should be considered one of the most important artists in the history of mankind.
Most of the Dragonball stuff past the Namek/Freeza saga feels like it is tacked on just because Dragonball had gotten so popular by that point, so Toriyama felt compelled to continue. The Cell and Buu sagas did have a lot of intrresting ideas, however.
I mostly just appreciate Akira Toriyama's unique art style. I wish I was able to draw at least 1/4 as good as he could.
the best dragon ball lore and essay channel in youtube
Funny that Seth guy was outed for the same bs he lied about you
Most people who cry wolf about certain individuals being pedos always end up as being the actual pedos.
There is actually a running meme of people calling anime fans pedos and those always end up outed as child abusers. Every time.
@kevintanza6968 yea its pretty funny how often that gets proven
@@kevintanza6968A majority of anyone labeling lolicons as automatically being .pdf-files essentially - the only rule of thumb you need to go by.
I don't think he was actually a pedo and the girl said he wasn't but it is ironic.
@@ASHtheSLUGCATrly?
After ending my engagement a few months ago after years of a serious relationship (with the opportunity for kids)
One of the traps is when ppl have kids, whether their on purpose or it just happens, you either get that improvement or like I've seen ppl fall victim to, their not ready and it changes everything but in a negative way.
Time will flow passively, you got time but make sure it's when you're ready.
The majority of ppl understood your last video even without the intro not being something outwardly negative.
There's people that have what you do and they'd love to switch lives and vice versa, we all want to change what we can't and then appreciate what we have and experienced later.
Take it easy!
We're getting alot of these from you rn. It's a good time.
I totally agree, Goku is a terrible dad
I guess you are speaking from a place of observation, set up especially by those with extreme greed. But man, these generalizations are harmful. Balance is achievable and there are definitely things that can give and be replaced with other avenues/pursuits. Just have to try, same with everything else. Things are not that set in stone.
Hmmm...
I disagree, Terry Pratchett wrote all those books just doing 400 words a day
I think there is a certain definite value to throwing yourself all into something,
But some people are meant to dabble and will still find a great success
I guess plague's sentiment is why terry always used to say "I'm not an author i just write books", and I kind of get that.
I think the goku character analysis video wasn't in bad taste at all, it gave a clear understanding that goku has always been the way he has always been. Its not like you made fun of Toriyama, hell he even said goku isn't supposed to be a hero.
Don’t agree.
I’d disagree that super goku is exactly the same has og or z I’d say he’s more exaggerated than the previous 2 and has less good moments to balance out his stupidity
I agree with your take on the video. Clearly it was created beforehand. Anyone who has an issue is being uncharitable. Tho I disagree on Goku. Yes, Toriyama said he wasn't supposed to be a hero, but if that was his goal I think he failed. Goku has just done too many heroic things by default. Maybe Toriyama meant "not a typical hero". But for a long time it always seems to me like his view of his own work has always felt a little off from the way audiences interprets it. I love his work to death, may he rest in peace, but I feel differently about his work than he does.
@@GalvatronoverIsn't that good? A character should either develop or getting kill off due to not having that development
Super Goku is more like a parody of original Goku. Hell, I'd argue dragon ball super is kind of an unintentional parody of dragon ball itself.
I've been rewatching dragon ball Kai right now after a very long time and right now at the very beginning of the android saga. There's this scene where Trunks explains how Bulma just slept with Vegeta after breaking up with Yamcha leading to Trunks being born and Goku basically says, "yeah, she's always been that kind of woman".......Then in DBS Goku suddenly forgets what a kiss is.
i think you were overly anxious/overthinking. people know you love toriyama, and respect the guy. the concept of "exploitative" really doesnt exist in that context. You are not some random youtube channel posting whatever is in the news at the time. He was always relevant to the channel. Though i understand not every new viewer the algo would bring in, might realize that. Great motorcycle btw.! And there you said you dislike drawing those.
Your overthinking to much, his Death is a big Deal. Its not exploitative, its expected from People to adress his Death, and his Work, and anything related to that.
I'm not going to say Gohan should have become the main character, but he still could have been a BETTER character even without usurping Goku and Vegeta
Plague, how did you learn to do multiple voices? Im remembering your VA work
going back i find myself enjoy DB more then DBZ i think i watched 2 episode of super.
dont shoot line is gold for all the wrong and right reasons
you may say art gripes aren't funny, but 17:20 developed into a chuckle
I find it funny how people still take that Naruto video so seriously.
Hehehe is still funny to this deys
Every naruto fans teke videos so seriosly even if autor give only opinion not hete just they think that naruto is peak when it dosen't and have issues for me naruto is so milked by fans boruto too (we know that boruto is so trash) and this fandom don't respect others animes just this fans naruto are soooo toxic today i see video on tt this guy was a one piece fan(me too) and he do videos anime debates when I saw his video I felt sadnes, he had a health problem and I went to the comments and I saw a toxic Naruto fan who started hete creator i can copy what he said is not cool (so you had all Shit going on but you decide to waste your life on tiktok you're a joke💀) (and this toxic naruto fan neme The last uchicha) and that's why this fandom is so toxic just they can teke normal opinion about this shity show or if they hete shows other and leter they cry becuse they start heting bleach db one piece more and just fans of other give them lessons and leter just cry why other dont like naruto or normal fans just stop whating this for me mha fandom was worst but now i tinnk is naruto fans
I disagreee, you don't have to be obsessed with something to learn a skill until it is reasonably usable to you or your professional work. Being at the top of a field worldwide is different from being an expert.
i also like complaining about things, thats why i love the dbz power level and time travel videos
I've said this in other comments about the man but I think people are misguided comparing him to Stan Lee or Osamu Tezuka. I compare Toriyama moreso to someone like George Lucas or Matt Groening. Stan Lee and Osamu Tezuka changed comics in their nations, but Lucas and Groening and Toriyama changed culture itself.
There's validity in the term "you don't understand what it was like before _______". Those fundamental works of fiction that change the landscape forever and even how we approach things within the genre itself. Cinema altered completely after Star Wars hit, it created the blockbuster, the cultural epic and made sci-fi and fantasy mainstream. Likewise The Simpsons altered TV comedy forever. All those comedies that don't use laugh tracks like the office and Malcolm in the middle and scrubs? Thank Simpsons for that.
Dragon Ball is the same thing. It introduced magic systems in the form of battle systems into the genre kinnikuman and Fist of the North Star created. It made a stunning Bildungsroman out of a story inspired by the monkey king and Jackie Chan. It incorporated comedy and serious drama into a singular story which was exceedingly rare before dragon ball began. Transformations, time skips to show our growing protagonists, heel turning villains. Hell, in his love for Ultramans spacium beam and the want to replicate it for his own protagonist, he ultimately created a move that every manga and video game aped off of. Every single giant laser beam ki blast you see a protagonist use owes Toriyama credit.
That, in my opinion, in the highest honor any creator can earn. He belongs with Dickens in that regard. I personally hated super for a lot of things (turning super saiyans into a bag of Skittles, completely rewriting Saiyan culture and just overall boring new design) BUT if I can forgive Lucas for the prequels and I can forgive Groening for modern Simpsons, I can definitely forgive Toriyama for Super.
So long you bird mountain you and thanks for all the fish. Wherever you are, I hope you finally have time to make those models you always wanted to plat with but never had the time.
i can tell you're passionate about dragonball, I've loved your videos ever since the tien video. I know you only want to see the best out of dbz. I, too, recently started watching a lot of dbz criticism, not because of his death, but because im hoping toyotaro can create his vision of dbz while being faithful.
I think a lot of the criticism has to do with the fact that Dragonball, as a creative idea, setting, and series, has so much potential that was not always realized.
I can't stress enough that this is a Dragonball channel. RIP Akira Toriyama.
Not exclusively, though. He talks a lot about video games and art as well,
That's the joke@@LordMalice6d9
i tell people alot that "i want you to know i like this thing. but you wouldnt know it when i talk about it." my best example is naruto. I love naruto but if you get me talking about it i will rip the whole thing to shreds. like mean girls. but i make sure people know i like the thing.
its very obvious toriyama never cared about anime or manga is general to him manga was like only for comedy gags or like newspaper caricatures and you can see it in the the original series which was intended to be comedic eposidic mini adventures like tom and jerry but with martial art. it was japanese bad humor .but the only thing that captureed the attention the general audiance is the fight scenes and animations. so thats how DBZ was born .where the plot is just a justification for the fights. you can tell the author doesnt know how to write a serious story. basically it was just a money grab .but the first arc is still a classic and the namek arc arc was a decent conclusion to vegetas and goku backstories . this anime is not a great anime BUT its iconic and revolutionary for its time . the raw masculine energy and testosterone and grit in those fights and combat sequences and animation combined with the japanese soundtrack captured somrthing in common in all cultures all over the world you have to consider in that era there was nothing like that there were mech and adventure and magic and fanatsy animes but nothing like dbz with human or humanoid character moving in lightning speed and superhuman strength and fighting until they get all beaten down .sadly after namek dbz became a disgrace . the bad writing and plot holes and uncosistent and uncoherent power system became impossible to ignore . thankfully i was about 9-10 years old when i first watched it on tv back in the day and they aired up until a certain episode of namek.years later when i tried to see how the rest of the serie it was hard to watch i lost intrest in the cell arc and really struggled to finish the buu and dropped super quickly
You are beyond brain dead
I think the level of sacrifices made to become an "expert" really depends on where you set the bar for "expertise." Certainly it applies if you're looking to make a living at an entertainment profession like mangaka or rockstar, where the industry practices and consumer spending only support a very limited number of them. If someone wishes they were good at playing the piano, maybe just being good enough to play one of Mozart's piano concertos is good enough - or maybe they just want to play Dancing Mad from Final Fantasy 6 on piano - a level of skill that absolutely can be reached just by practicing for an hour a day over an extended period. Will that amount of practice make you into a virtuoso who can embellish, improvise, or otherwise add your own personal touch to a complicated piece of music? No, it won't, and it certainly won't be good enough to land them a job as a concert pianist, but I don't think that's even a consideration for most people. In my experience, "I wish I was good at X" is a hobby wish, not a career wish.
On the other side of the coin, there also needs to be an actual drive to improve; I've known people whose entire lives were arranged around World of Warcraft, but despite the staggering amount of time and brain space they spent on it, they were mediocre at best in terms of skill.
I got a lot of mixed feelings about Toriyama and his work. I've never particularly cared for his art style nor had any love or interest for any Dragon Ball material past the original series (which I've only seen a handful of episodes of). Even still, I can tell his presence was so large and impactful that I can't help but tear up when I remember we're in a post-Toriyama world, and I'm not usually the sort to be emotional about public figure deaths.
Man your videos are some of the best at analysing dragon ball I've ever seen and it's such a shame Toriyama has passed away now but thank you plague for remembering him ❤
Wake up brother... Wake up now. Find a woman and have a kid.
I think my fav Toriyama stuff is his vehicles, he used to draw them all squary and compact and cute and i kinda super love that aesthetic for vehicles, its also why i love Metal Slug a lot, but it probably started with Toriyama.
Hey. 59 on the motorcycle -> go kyu lol
your videos inspire me plenty!!
Ya know i do like a lot dragon ball but unlike 95% of latin americans i havent allways like it , here in Colombia when i was young it was everywhere and even as a kid i was that idk hispter you would say that ig i something is poupular well i didnt like it but since my cousins watch it a lot i end up watching it and i did enjoy it but what i love was the Z movies , yeah the ones everyone hates now men i enjoy those so mutch ecepcial fusion rebor and atck of tge dragon , that last one , tapions theme still gives me chills
But i grow up and just stop carring about it like power ranger or spidrman i just tough i was to old for them, but ya know evetualy a did come back to those and those came back me Tobey came back ,and the original Ranger recently came back in a more yet still camp epecial
So where that leaves dragon ball, well i grow up enoug to see it as what it is a flaw yet entretenig show as a teen i may have hated super , and still do a bit but like what , being mad for a show only harms me so better make peace whit it Z and og db still exist and theres so mutch in this franshise to be mad for a show i didnt like
And i did find something to enjoy about it , is ending 10 i belive 70cm window , i cry whit that one , long story short, my aunt raise me when i was a child and when i lost her, i die a bit , all those child things loss menig to me including db , but thanks to that ending i reconected whit the franshise cause i brings me memories of my childhood , ones that i belive i couldnt recover
Learnig that That ending is supose to be the persepective of 40 year old Goku remiding about his granpha
Yeah what you said is simple enough to be aprocheble yet complex enough to have meanig
Anyway heres one in honor of the sensei hope he has the after life he allways wanted
Cheers
in Brazil, we also had that it shows until Trunks appeared for the first time and then went back to Raditz. Until the Cell Saga was completed it was already in the end of 2000 and the Majin Buu saga was already starting on the Cartoon Network.
So true… we are the most critical of the entertainment we love the most
I loved the ocean dub, the Funimation one is fine but man that dub something else.
Bless your heart plague glad to see you alive and kicking 💪
Another banger video, however my slave masters Don't allow us to listen to music at my job so I have to watch the 2nd half after work 😢
I thought you handled it very gracefully. Just adding an introduction with some thoughts on Toriyama and then going back to the usual script.
Usually I find it best to learn how to write and create stories better from stories with fewer flaws, but I think DBZ is a great example where the flaws are excellent teaching opportunities.
Ive watched plague videos for awhile now. Always have been a fan. In highschool i found that i had some talent in art. Nothing great but i was good. I wanted to do something with that. Then i never had fun drawing anymore. I watched an art gripe around that time. I gained an insight to do art for me. To do art that makes me happy. Ive carried that insight ever since. I can say that its made me happier.
For what what a random comment on youtube is worth. Thanks plague.
Shit I can barely make a 12 minute video in 1 day. Scratch that, if I include the prep for recording the shots, I definitely couldn't make a 12 minute video in a single day unless someone had a gun to my head.
Plague, you're my favorite analytical wierdo.
Amazing art.
I am sure he would be proud
I like the drawing a lot it reminds me of the Eyecatchs you see in between chapters in the dragon ball manga. When you mentioned people wanting to view things and people as binary good/bad it reminds me of discussions of historical figures where people will overlook or minimize problems associated with leaders and people from decades and centuries past
A true test for how much you love any particular thing is equally proportional to how much you hate it.
Thanks sir. I've been looking forward to hear from you on this. I won't go into details as to why just, thanks again.
I am here to enjoy the person you are Plague.
Everything Akira Toriyama aside, I feel like you think in absolutes about yourself too much too. "I can't have a normal life," kind of thing, seems really polarizing. Or believing that you need to be obsessed with something to be good enough at it. You can just be mid and that's alright. You can get together with your girlfriend even if it's long distance, I did. Don't give up on yourself so easily.
What I got from this video is that someone needs to move into Plague's house and keep him company.
As someone who's reaching 30 this year and have been postponing my art journey, I finally got myself a tablet to really invest myself in doing art. I've been a writer for eleven years but I've always wanted to start properly drawing, so it's nice to hear that someone I respect started at their late 30s and are already this skilled.
Thanks for the video, Plague.
Great video Plague!
You managed to pindown dragonball's appeal incredibly well it is an incomplete piece of work with many flaws but it's generic enough that it allows so many viewers to project themselves into it hence why so many mangaka has taken influence from it and in a way made their own version of the same concept.
this is a channel i didn't expect to make a video on this topic.
I caught dragon ball live on something called the international channel and ssj2 gohan was fighting cell in Japanese with no subtitles. It was either that or pay 40$ for one horrible quality bootleg vhs tape they sold at the comic book store
Unfortunately I actually bought one of those bootleg tapes but Atleast it had subtitles and it was ssj2 goku vs ssj2 vegeta and as a kid it was the most badass thing I’d ever seen. Keep in mind that this was before we even learned about SSJ one in the west
That just took me way back.
Assuming we're thinking of the same thing, I also had international channel. DBZ aired Sunday nights around 7-8 (in my timezone anyway), it definitely wasn't live cause DBZ wrapped in the early 90s and this was '00 or '01. But it was still way ahead of toonami, since they were still at Freeza while the Int. channel was at Perfect Cell
I had a similar experience as a kid, my parents only got basic cable in the early '00s, but in the '90s we had only over-the-air broadcast TV. One of the local stations that we got ran Dragon Ball (not Z, but original Dragon Ball) episodes on Saturdays. Later on they got Sailor Moon and some of the B- and C-tier stuff like Card Captor Sakura and Samurai Pizza Cats.
The goat dropped
Just this morning I was lamenting my progress and inability as an artist. So your point about needing to base your life around your desired skill is the only way forward would have hit home, but the next point you made saying you'd rather be an expert father or friend over being an artist really gave me something to think about.
I'm not really sure what I want to be but I always feel myself being pulled back to drawing.
Thanks for the video, Eli. You've really got my thinking this time.
Youre one of the art youtubers to inspire me to improve my work (specifically your video on linework) so I hope youre aware of your own impact on younger artists too.
perfect timing, just finished cooking