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Ok but that dialogue of your character going “let’s rule the world” and the emperor just nonchalantly replying with “omg, bestie! I was literally thinking the same thing 💅🐙” is so fucking funny to me.
funniest thing is "I've claculated the odds and estimated that the risk is too high" "I believe in us, we have the power of (evil) friendship on our side!" "'kay then lets goo"
The Emperor turning back into their dream guardian appearance at the end is a really nice subtle touch. Previously there was no way to get that appearance back after you visited the artifact for the first time. Even if only for a single frame, there now is. The tiniest solace for those who genuinely meant to romance their dream guardian character.
Oh so before they basically made it appear as he just took over your mind and you became a puppet But it appears in this new version your Characters still in control of their own mind but obviously if you try to kill him he won’t allow it
@Niniene I doubt that. Stelmane was a personal thrall, something Mindflayers(especially lone ones) keep for companionship, like pets. The Emperor really does like Tav, but he's a Mindflayer, so he's prone to being logical over emotional. You are someone he wants to work with, but he also is aware that he has a power that anyone would want to steal or destory. Plus, in Mindflayer colonies, they're all connected via the Elder Brain. Emperor is basically the new Elder Brain, but he gives us more power and respect than a regular Elder Brain would give to any of its Mindflayers
@@dorrianbrooks9408 In other words, exactly the ending I had hoped for. Undoubtedly evil, but also in a relatively functional... alliance? At least. (I'm sick of the trope where bad guys cannot honestly cooperate with anyone, ever.) Well... to be completely honest, the Emperor is not exactly my first choice of ally for this... but I'll take it. ;)
@@Regina316 I definitely think it's functional. Regardless of whether you slept with The Emperor or not, he's still made it clear every step of the way that he wants to be our partner. He's offered us power we didnt need to have in order to get the job done because he wanted us to "evolve"(because to him being a Mindflayer is a good thing) alongside him. If we become a Mindflayer, he also lets US take the power from Orpheus if we want, because he trusts us. He doesnt even mind if we destroy the Elder Brain or not, and only takes control if WE ask him to. The Emperor isnt a good dude, but he's not completely evil either. He just wants to live with the freedom of not having to worry about githyanki hunting him, or the Elder Brain controlling him. So yeah, us being his Right Hand is kind of a big deal, and a genuine show of trust imo, especially since he doesnt even think about controlling the Elder Brain until we encourage him to.
OH SHIT THATS COOL. It's almost fourth wall breaking ending the game by reminding you who you started by designing these two characters. This is a bad ending, obviously. But damn if it isn't also the coolest.
I love this. I settled on a rather screwed up Tav early on whose goal was to become a general under the Absolute and was rather sad that I couldn't do that. This is exactly what I wanted. Is it right? No. Is it healthy? No. Is it the ending I wanted for my hot mess of a charater? YES. (I also liked the 'stays human, but puts all people into a happy, tranquil dream while being worshipped' ending, although this seems a bit too normal for my character.) Thank you for sharing! I can't wait to replay!
In all the other evil endings the people of Baldur's Gate become vampire food, zombie food, imp food, or get turned into illithids. What the heck Emperor, you surprise me once again. You kill the Gith and then what? Whats next? Just gonna release all those people, go back to your basement and be morally grey some more?
@@scribbitb.4519 Going outside is for his human allies. He's got his lair appointed just the way he likes it, with all his random objects and that fancy board room next door with, like, lists of the things he thinks would make for good investments. TBH, I'm not even sure he ever went upstairs.
Exactly. If we were going to betray him, it would have been while he was trying to hold the Brain. After that, the window of opportunity is very much closed.
abso-fucking-lutely based ending. showed, that emperor is truly gray - allows without direct mindcontrol, albeit with some manipulation, be his general, same as he doesnt just kill or control everyone. i always knew that he may consider us, player char as puppets, but allows to grow something more out of it. larian did some emperor-justice in that regard
@@khoavo510 He has to be pushed not because of moral dillemas but because he thinks the githyanki will kill him afterwards. He says that. Also you ask him to rule together yet he makes you into his forced general.
I always wondered what happens if you kill the brain and spare the emperor. I guess he just dies then by default but it would be a fun cutscene to see him still alive when you defeat the brain with that githyanki and he says sorry he didn't believe in you
If you kill the brain and spare the emperor (at least in the old ending), he either becomes your mindflayer mentor (if you're a mindflayer) or just faffs off to revive the Knights of the Shield (if you're not). It's pretty uneventful.
@@Firefly11O3 even then, the other mind flayers also don't die bcuz the brain died, they die bcuz baldurians kill them. Mind flayers can live without an EB.
@@Niniene I think Milton meant that in the case you free Orpheus it's sad you can't have a living Emperor at the end, even if you use non-lethal damage. Guess Larian does not allow us to eat our cake and have it too (maybe one day?)
Why destroy? Dark Urge really killing all in the World, Emperor even don't turn people and Tav to illithids despite he can do it. Tav or Durge can cause an real apocalypse, Emperor is only hates githyanki and Vlaakith :).
The third act is a bomb in this regard, a large number of objects, due to which absolutely all walls become transparent. After 5 minutes of loading, walls appear in the city. Between the first and second acts, this problem only occurred while in Keteric Thorn's tower.
Glad they are adding more content, but I’ll always be disappointed that we can’t mod new environments or scripting. Maybe if we ever get neverwinter nights 3…
Did you romance the Emperor? Or, did you not go that route with it on this gameplay? I wonder if the ending would be different depending on the choices made earlier in the game, which I firmly believe should be the case
Yeah, I was still hoping for just a straight Emperor betrayal ending. Have a roll check on whether or not you dominate or the Emperor does. Have some ending where the Tav ends up just like Duke Stelmane.
I think it would be sick if you could use the ring to assassinate him. I think assassinating him on the ground and not before he gains full control is kind of pointless, but it would be a good touch
the Emperor's ending is one of my favorites because I enjoy "punish the player character for their hubris" endings. "hey Emperor, what if we rule the world together?" "hmm. I'll meet you halfway on that."
Honestly, being his general and retaining your free will as long as you don't betray him seems... pretty well in line with that. It's not really hubris if you get the exact result you were after.
reminds me of the movie "Split" starring James McAvoy, where it showcases the extents to what a person's personality can affect not only the mental but also the physical. I suppose if you're mentally prepared enough, you can take down someone who you normally shouldn't be able to
Before patch 7 when i found out on youtube that Emperor does not share his rule with you, i decided to always defy him and save Orpheus, except when i want Become the Absolute. And this video just further confirms it, Emperor is an ass! UPDATE: 2:01 and 2:17 are what made me think Emperor ends up dominating us/making us his servant instead of sharing the rule. Romanced Ascended Astarion/Minthara would not get something like that in our Absolute Ending.
@@gagapandega1668 While true, its still ultimately his desire. You're convincing him because of his risk aversion, not because he doesn't want to do it.
@@Keromimiit’s his risk aversion that precisely reveals that this wasn’t his ultimate goal, he, from start to end, just wanted the brain to leave him alone, controlling the Brain is one way to make sure it doesn’t fuck with him, but it’s the riskier option thus why he doesn’t choose it from the start
@@Firefly11O3 Not sure what to tell you when he literally tells you he thought it through and is only not doing so because he thinks he'd lose. He's blunt and matter of fact about it. Sure, he didn't craft a long term plan for this result as some sort of ultimate 5d chess, but he's pragmatic and the opportunity arises. Either way you're not convincing him its morally good or bad like most attempts at persuasion-- instead you're convincing him that the consequence he's afraid of won't come to pass should he attempt it. Its akin to the concept of law and how certain people would do shitty things if they didn't have the threat of consequences to keep them in check. No different than going up to an Accountant who thinks they could easily commit insider trading, embezzlement or the like and going No Mr. Accountant the Githyanki IRS won't be able to catch you haha you've got this. You're affirming their intrusive thoughts. Except he's a Mindflayer so its probably a very well fleshed out thought.
Isn't that true for all of them, though? Oh, make Shadowheart good. Make Gale no longer want to become a god. Make Astarion no longer want to become a vampire lord.... I guess you could argue a *couple* of the endings aren't simp. But the vast majority require literally convincing a party member to not do what they've told you the entire game they want. Arguably this is pretty much the same. Just instead of convincing Shadowheart to not become a dark justiciar, you're convicing the Emperor to dominate the brain.
@@Niniene Actually, you don`t have to persuade Shadowheart. When she meets Nightsong, if you keep quiet, she will make the decision to throw the spear away all on her own. That`s character development for you. And i don`t think you understand what simp means. In this ending, you willingly become someone else`s puppet. You choose to become Emperor`s b***h, when you could take all the power for yourslef, because you couldn`t hurt papa Squiddy. Your examples with Shart, Gale and Astarion make no sense since you don`t put their interests above your own, and those choices barely concern your character.
The obvious is that this isn't the default Emperor ending. You have to MAKE him do this. It's a bit like saying, "How can you love Shadowheart when that bitch wants to kill her parents?" Like, sure, it's a possibility, but it's not the default. (Actually, it kinda is there...but...)
@@Niniene It directly says that it would've done it itself, the only thing stopping it being the chance that the Gith might stop it. It is fully willing to execute the Grand Design. The emperor has no moral qualm with that action. Only logistical. Combine this ending with the fact that the Emperor was willing to just turn on you if you are unwilling to kill the one person that might lead the Githyanki to a more peaceful life. It manipulating you by showing you a less repulsive body and constantly begging you to become one of its kind. This is just proof that the Emperor is just another manipulative ghaik like the rest of them.
@@reniorjd You can only tell the illithid to ignore the risks. If there was no danger from the Githyanki the Emperor would have done exactly this without giving you any say.
@@senittoaoflightning4404 maybe but considering that not only does he have to be told so he also first suggest that a member of the party becomes an illithid to control the brain. No matter how much you try and justify as him want only power the truth is that it not a primary concern to him until he is convinced otherwise.
Ah, yes. The enthralled ending. Where Tav is STILL under the influence of the Emperor's alluring personality. But we all know, of course, he's just manipulating you so he may sit on the throne. ALONE. If anyone's still wondering why he chose to call himself The Emperor, this ending makes it clear once and for all what his true plan was from the start.
Now the Emperor's motives have become more clear than just the ending with him sitting on the throne.Before this, I didn’t understand why the Emperor was helping us, but after we free Orpfius, he takes the side of the big brain. With this ending, it became clear that he was acting out of a desire to gain more power, and when his entire plan failed, he wanted to create a new plan in an attempt to prevent the hero's plans. If the protagonist couldn't, I'll try another time, the Emperor probably thought. It was this ending that put together the missing puzzle in the game's plot.
He makes it explicitly clear that he believes freeing Orpheus will directly lead to him getting killed BY Orpheus. And to be fair, Orpheus' initial reaction is indeed to express his total fury at the party for taking advantage of his imprisonment. It's only after he's freed that he can calm down and see things more logically, and he only does so after you specifically turn against your ally to protect him. If he hadn't seen you do that, he might not have been able to see you in a different enough light to come around on.
He destroys the githyanki because they are the only ones who can stop him. Although destroying Vlaakith is generally a good thing :). And by the way, the Emperor does not turn others into illithids, in fact, he has no goal to forcibly subjugate people who will serve voluntarily, which perhaps makes him the best ruler of the Baldur's gate 😄.
His main goal is survival. To survive with greater power? Sure, but you need to convince him to dominate the brain, he does not do it because again he is not certain of his own survival. If you let it play out, he just kills the brain. Letting Orpheus live is a threat to his survival, so instead of going 1 vs 5, he decides to switch side as he will become a thrall without Orpheus power anyway
This is the ending you get by rolling D20 persuation on him while he's riding on the high of destroying his former master. His default ending is him returning to his basement to do hedge funding in peace. His motives throughout the game are freedom and survival. He leaves if you free Orpheus because he believes Orpheus will kill him and you will be unable to stop him because the moment Orpheus decides to drop his protection, it's ghaik time for you. Also when you meet him as an enemy he's enthralled by the Brain, not fighting you of his own volition.
This wasn't his plan all along. You use the stones first, and he only takes them when you fail. After he saves the party by yeeting them back into the astral prism. Clearly he did not want any of that to happen. This just looks like mindflayers desire power and you tempt one into taking power. Nice going.
@@bbdf21 in this ending Tav is to him what Astarion/Minthara are to Tav when they say "let's rule together". One person sits at that throne and has absolute power over the rest - that's the evil endings' premise. What would Tav do if one of their companions lunged at them with a knife? (also note how Tav in this ending wants to kill him and take his power, not out of altruism for the people) In the meta sense Emperor is a reflection of the player. Not Tav, but you, the player. Which is why it's always funny to me how eager people are to impose double standards on him for everything that he says/does
@@hamsterpad3093 Nah, Tav is like Stelmane was to the emperor. A Puppet wich believes to act on their own accord when really, the emperor allways holds the reigns. He snaps Tav at the slightest sign of free thought.
@@bbdf21 He literally kills Tav only when Tav attacks first, it's in the video. Otherwise he never acts against Tav unless Tav screws him over first by freeing Orpheus. Tav always has freedom of thought, even in this ending. If he didn't he wouldn't have been able to attack the Emperor in first place. Also Stelmane wasn't a puppet/thrall. That's impossible in the lore - thralls are created by the collective effort of a mind hive and its Elder Brain, and are unaware of their enthrallment (Volo's Guide To Monsters 5e), nor does the game point to that if you know how enthrallment works. Stelmane was presumably dominated - a spell Tav can use on enemies in the game btw. The game gives you only a vague flashback and no explanation, but one of the adventure modules (Murder In Baldur's Gate) it mentions the mind flayer who dominated Stelmane did it for "inerrogation"
@@Videogal1993 I love that. It is just a perfect bit of characterization for her. She could just use wish for something useful, but instead uses it out of pettiness. Just perfect to show her true nature.
@@straussenberg286 yeah if you mouth off at her in the Creché she casts it to instant game over you. In her official 5e D&D character stats she has the Wish spell listed as one of the spells she can cast. It should be added casting Wish is super risky as you can lose the ability to do so and all spells you cast for a while hurt the user and the caster’s physical strength are dropped drastically.
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Ok but that dialogue of your character going “let’s rule the world” and the emperor just nonchalantly replying with “omg, bestie! I was literally thinking the same thing 💅🐙” is so fucking funny to me.
Then he litterally becomes your Waifu
funniest thing is
"I've claculated the odds and estimated that the risk is too high"
"I believe in us, we have the power of (evil) friendship on our side!"
"'kay then lets goo"
it really is baldur's gate now
it really is baldurs ghaik now, a happily ever after with our squiddy soulmate
i liked the part where the Emperor floated down and was like "its balduring time"
HA!
LMAO yea
"After all, you were made for each other." 👀🖤🖤🖤
6:56 that switch from the Gith's terrified face to her decapitated head was well done, mildly shocking even. Wow.
I love how if you romance the Emperor the implication is you guys just become a world conquering power couple like honestly couple goals
Too bad he has tentacles
@@karumina I see this as an ABSOLUTE win
@@breaddboy figuratively and literally XD
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure that you are its thrall, so this is just SA.
@@senittoaoflightning4404you have your own will that’s why you could attempt to kill him
6:56 this transition made my jaw drop... 🤯
LARIAN COOKED WITH THESE ENDINGS 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯
You know what?
I think I can settle for being my illusionary waifu/husbando's general.
The Emperor turning back into their dream guardian appearance at the end is a really nice subtle touch. Previously there was no way to get that appearance back after you visited the artifact for the first time. Even if only for a single frame, there now is. The tiniest solace for those who genuinely meant to romance their dream guardian character.
Oh so before they basically made it appear as he just took over your mind and you became a puppet
But it appears in this new version your Characters still in control of their own mind but obviously if you try to kill him he won’t allow it
Yea, the emperor probably has absolute control over you, but only exerts it if you try to betray him.
@@davaronas686 TBH, that's probably more or less what happened with Stelmane.
@Niniene I doubt that. Stelmane was a personal thrall, something Mindflayers(especially lone ones) keep for companionship, like pets.
The Emperor really does like Tav, but he's a Mindflayer, so he's prone to being logical over emotional. You are someone he wants to work with, but he also is aware that he has a power that anyone would want to steal or destory. Plus, in Mindflayer colonies, they're all connected via the Elder Brain. Emperor is basically the new Elder Brain, but he gives us more power and respect than a regular Elder Brain would give to any of its Mindflayers
@@dorrianbrooks9408 In other words, exactly the ending I had hoped for. Undoubtedly evil, but also in a relatively functional... alliance? At least. (I'm sick of the trope where bad guys cannot honestly cooperate with anyone, ever.) Well... to be completely honest, the Emperor is not exactly my first choice of ally for this... but I'll take it. ;)
@@Regina316 I definitely think it's functional. Regardless of whether you slept with The Emperor or not, he's still made it clear every step of the way that he wants to be our partner. He's offered us power we didnt need to have in order to get the job done because he wanted us to "evolve"(because to him being a Mindflayer is a good thing) alongside him. If we become a Mindflayer, he also lets US take the power from Orpheus if we want, because he trusts us. He doesnt even mind if we destroy the Elder Brain or not, and only takes control if WE ask him to. The Emperor isnt a good dude, but he's not completely evil either. He just wants to live with the freedom of not having to worry about githyanki hunting him, or the Elder Brain controlling him. So yeah, us being his Right Hand is kind of a big deal, and a genuine show of trust imo, especially since he doesnt even think about controlling the Elder Brain until we encourage him to.
7:17 is that your selfmade "Guardian" ?
Yes
@@Ferzen Damn that is cool, the Emperor made us our waifu
"Made for each other"
Nice callback!
OH SHIT THATS COOL. It's almost fourth wall breaking ending the game by reminding you who you started by designing these two characters. This is a bad ending, obviously. But damn if it isn't also the coolest.
@@DontKnow-hr5my IMO my interpretation is you're enthralled and still seeing the 'illusion' you started out with ;A;
6:45 And who will now say that a peasant with a spear is weaker than a githyanki warrior?
7:15 okay but this phrase is so badass...
This has got to be one of the top evil of evil endings.
After all… you were made for each other ❤️
I love this. I settled on a rather screwed up Tav early on whose goal was to become a general under the Absolute and was rather sad that I couldn't do that. This is exactly what I wanted. Is it right? No. Is it healthy? No. Is it the ending I wanted for my hot mess of a charater? YES. (I also liked the 'stays human, but puts all people into a happy, tranquil dream while being worshipped' ending, although this seems a bit too normal for my character.) Thank you for sharing! I can't wait to replay!
He did help found the city, therefore it’s only right that he rule it.
Hands down this is my favourite ending of all!
The smirk in the night visitor form is too good, this is one of the best productions ever
In all the other evil endings the people of Baldur's Gate become vampire food, zombie food, imp food, or get turned into illithids. What the heck Emperor, you surprise me once again. You kill the Gith and then what? Whats next? Just gonna release all those people, go back to your basement and be morally grey some more?
I guess his goal is to mind control all EVERYONE and simply destroy the Gith with sheer numbers.
Probably. He really likes hanging out in that basement morally greying. It's kind of his whole deal.
@@Niniene "The city shall be run optimally, but not if I have to go outside."
@@scribbitb.4519 Going outside is for his human allies. He's got his lair appointed just the way he likes it, with all his random objects and that fancy board room next door with, like, lists of the things he thinks would make for good investments. TBH, I'm not even sure he ever went upstairs.
@@Niniene I laughed at "that fancy board room next door" XD
7:19 Wow thats brilliant
Sick ending but why betray him after he already has all the nether brain power now I feel that choice is for a good laugh😂😂😂😂😂
Exactly. If we were going to betray him, it would have been while he was trying to hold the Brain. After that, the window of opportunity is very much closed.
Maybe if you wanna RP your character as one who thought "oh sht I probably could've ruled by myself without the emperor" 😂
I like how they are doing their best to address the Daisy thing with that whole "You were made for each other" bit, thank you for the video!
abso-fucking-lutely based ending. showed, that emperor is truly gray - allows without direct mindcontrol, albeit with some manipulation, be his general, same as he doesnt just kill or control everyone. i always knew that he may consider us, player char as puppets, but allows to grow something more out of it. larian did some emperor-justice in that regard
If he would have controlled you from the beggining you wouldnt reach your potential (lvl 12)
Massive agree this is so awesome!
I mean, by all means, he s still evil. Just lawful evil.
@@haxel8929 yeah but he has to be actively pushed into doing this and it was hard to push him towards actually doing it (a DC 20 like in the video).
@@khoavo510 He has to be pushed not because of moral dillemas but because he thinks the githyanki will kill him afterwards. He says that. Also you ask him to rule together yet he makes you into his forced general.
7:15 damn this line 🔥🔥🔥
7:19 I dont now why ,but this snece scared me !!
I always wondered what happens if you kill the brain and spare the emperor. I guess he just dies then by default but it would be a fun cutscene to see him still alive when you defeat the brain with that githyanki and he says sorry he didn't believe in you
He lives as well as if orpheus you or karlach became illithid, they controll the brain they tell it to kil the others
If you kill the brain and spare the emperor (at least in the old ending), he either becomes your mindflayer mentor (if you're a mindflayer) or just faffs off to revive the Knights of the Shield (if you're not). It's pretty uneventful.
He wouldn’t die because he wasn’t a part of the elder brain hive mind when it was destroyed
@@Firefly11O3 even then, the other mind flayers also don't die bcuz the brain died, they die bcuz baldurians kill them. Mind flayers can live without an EB.
@@Niniene I think Milton meant that in the case you free Orpheus it's sad you can't have a living Emperor at the end, even if you use non-lethal damage. Guess Larian does not allow us to eat our cake and have it too (maybe one day?)
Ok, Larian... but I need a domination ending with Orin the red💀🩸
OK so at least ur companions rule with u 😂😂😂😂 I'll do this ending everytime 😂😂😂
The Emperor's ending: "Destroy the universe for dat Illithussy? Worth it!"
Why destroy? Dark Urge really killing all in the World, Emperor even don't turn people and Tav to illithids despite he can do it. Tav or Durge can cause an real apocalypse, Emperor is only hates githyanki and Vlaakith :).
Something for the sea food lovers 💕
wow! did the patch drop today?? awesome work
It's supposed to drop in September
Are there any endings for the 2 Shadowheart endpoints, and a Wyll who is still in a pact with Mizora?
Is patch 7 out? I thought it wasn’t coming out for another month.
Guess I am replaying Baldur’s Gate 3 for evil Emperor romance ending… 🌚
Hopefully we see Gale’s evil ending
now that’s grim
glad to see someone else's computer also struggles with loading in the textures while cutscenes happen.
The third act is a bomb in this regard, a large number of objects, due to which absolutely all walls become transparent. After 5 minutes of loading, walls appear in the city. Between the first and second acts, this problem only occurred while in Keteric Thorn's tower.
Any content added for early acts? Is it worth waiting
Glad they are adding more content, but I’ll always be disappointed that we can’t mod new environments or scripting. Maybe if we ever get neverwinter nights 3…
Ok, the fact that he dominates you even when you were supposed to rule it together makes me feel ok to betray him for orpheus.
He does that if you try to betray him
You mean when you try to backstab him? Because in other cases you willingly can either serve or attempt to assassinate him
I still wait for the ending where I do not need to kill neither Emperor or Orpheus.
Nah, killing the illithid is fine, there is no reason to let it live.
I wonder if there are endings for all partners?
4:49 Yeah, that wasn't a good idea
More reason to side with the prince
Incredible game
Am I seeing things, or did they screw up the top of his head in the new cinematics? It looks bent up...
Did you romance the Emperor? Or, did you not go that route with it on this gameplay? I wonder if the ending would be different depending on the choices made earlier in the game, which I firmly believe should be the case
No I didn't romance him
@@Ferzen alright, thank you for the answer 😊
THAT'S MY BOYFRIEND!! HELL YEAH!
Emperor apologists are shaking in their boots
nah this is my dream.
Tbh, you have to talk him into doing this lol.
Yeah, I was still hoping for just a straight Emperor betrayal ending. Have a roll check on whether or not you dominate or the Emperor does. Have some ending where the Tav ends up just like Duke Stelmane.
It's cute you think this somehow "terrifies" us Emperor apologists lol
@@khoavo510 that type of emperor enjoyer. oh ._.
Anyone know if you still get an epilogue after these evil ends where you live?
So he's Emperor and you're Darth Vader
Does Shadowheart get a new endong, one where everyone worships Shar?
i wonder if they will make the ring of mindshielding interact with any of this
I think it would be sick if you could use the ring to assassinate him. I think assassinating him on the ground and not before he gains full control is kind of pointless, but it would be a good touch
Wait I want this one
I think the last ending was a good ending i mean the people are safed, get ruled by a competent ruler und fight against vlakith
And that's why I side with Orpheus
This is why I side with the emperor
This is why I side with my daddy Bhaal and slaughter every living being.
as if i needed another reason not to side with the emperor
the Emperor's ending is one of my favorites because I enjoy "punish the player character for their hubris" endings. "hey Emperor, what if we rule the world together?" "hmm. I'll meet you halfway on that."
Honestly, being his general and retaining your free will as long as you don't betray him seems... pretty well in line with that. It's not really hubris if you get the exact result you were after.
Githyanki warriors getting bodied by some mind controlled civilians is kinda absurd
I think they’re already completely exhausted and additionally horrifically outnumbered by bloodlusted civilians.
Those gith literally just got done fighting illiths and their a😊armor was torn.
reminds me of the movie "Split" starring James McAvoy, where it showcases the extents to what a person's personality can affect not only the mental but also the physical. I suppose if you're mentally prepared enough, you can take down someone who you normally shouldn't be able to
What we don’t see is right after this Vlaakith just casted Wish and obliterates the Elder Brain and now the Emperor has no Giga brain
Before patch 7 when i found out on youtube that Emperor does not share his rule with you, i decided to always defy him and save Orpheus, except when i want Become the Absolute. And this video just further confirms it, Emperor is an ass!
UPDATE: 2:01 and 2:17 are what made me think Emperor ends up dominating us/making us his servant instead of sharing the rule. Romanced Ascended Astarion/Minthara would not get something like that in our Absolute Ending.
You literally have to pass a check to get this ending lol the Emperor would kill the brain as promised same as Orpheus in the normal ending.
@@gagapandega1668 While true, its still ultimately his desire. You're convincing him because of his risk aversion, not because he doesn't want to do it.
@@Keromimiit’s his risk aversion that precisely reveals that this wasn’t his ultimate goal, he, from start to end, just wanted the brain to leave him alone, controlling the Brain is one way to make sure it doesn’t fuck with him, but it’s the riskier option thus why he doesn’t choose it from the start
@@Firefly11O3 Not sure what to tell you when he literally tells you he thought it through and is only not doing so because he thinks he'd lose. He's blunt and matter of fact about it. Sure, he didn't craft a long term plan for this result as some sort of ultimate 5d chess, but he's pragmatic and the opportunity arises.
Either way you're not convincing him its morally good or bad like most attempts at persuasion-- instead you're convincing him that the consequence he's afraid of won't come to pass should he attempt it. Its akin to the concept of law and how certain people would do shitty things if they didn't have the threat of consequences to keep them in check.
No different than going up to an Accountant who thinks they could easily commit insider trading, embezzlement or the like and going No Mr. Accountant the Githyanki IRS won't be able to catch you haha you've got this. You're affirming their intrusive thoughts. Except he's a Mindflayer so its probably a very well fleshed out thought.
Not sure what you mean by "share his rule" because to me it looks like he does just that here?
Basically a simp ending
Isn't that true for all of them, though? Oh, make Shadowheart good. Make Gale no longer want to become a god. Make Astarion no longer want to become a vampire lord....
I guess you could argue a *couple* of the endings aren't simp. But the vast majority require literally convincing a party member to not do what they've told you the entire game they want. Arguably this is pretty much the same. Just instead of convincing Shadowheart to not become a dark justiciar, you're convicing the Emperor to dominate the brain.
@@Niniene Actually, you don`t have to persuade Shadowheart. When she meets Nightsong, if you keep quiet, she will make the decision to throw the spear away all on her own. That`s character development for you.
And i don`t think you understand what simp means. In this ending, you willingly become someone else`s puppet. You choose to become Emperor`s b***h, when you could take all the power for yourslef, because you couldn`t hurt papa Squiddy. Your examples with Shart, Gale and Astarion make no sense since you don`t put their interests above your own, and those choices barely concern your character.
What’s gayer?
Homosexuality
Or
Ruling the world with the emperor
icl im ready to see the emperor apologists justify this
The obvious is that this isn't the default Emperor ending. You have to MAKE him do this.
It's a bit like saying, "How can you love Shadowheart when that bitch wants to kill her parents?" Like, sure, it's a possibility, but it's not the default. (Actually, it kinda is there...but...)
@@Niniene It directly says that it would've done it itself, the only thing stopping it being the chance that the Gith might stop it.
It is fully willing to execute the Grand Design. The emperor has no moral qualm with that action. Only logistical.
Combine this ending with the fact that the Emperor was willing to just turn on you if you are unwilling to kill the one person that might lead the Githyanki to a more peaceful life. It manipulating you by showing you a less repulsive body and constantly begging you to become one of its kind.
This is just proof that the Emperor is just another manipulative ghaik like the rest of them.
He doesn't do this until you ask him. Basically the main character is the bad influence on the emperor.
@@reniorjd You can only tell the illithid to ignore the risks. If there was no danger from the Githyanki the Emperor would have done exactly this without giving you any say.
@@senittoaoflightning4404 maybe but considering that not only does he have to be told so he also first suggest that a member of the party becomes an illithid to control the brain. No matter how much you try and justify as him want only power the truth is that it not a primary concern to him until he is convinced otherwise.
Ah, yes. The enthralled ending. Where Tav is STILL under the influence of the Emperor's alluring personality. But we all know, of course, he's just manipulating you so he may sit on the throne. ALONE.
If anyone's still wondering why he chose to call himself The Emperor, this ending makes it clear once and for all what his true plan was from the start.
Now the Emperor's motives have become more clear than just the ending with him sitting on the throne.Before this, I didn’t understand why the Emperor was helping us, but after we free Orpfius, he takes the side of the big brain. With this ending, it became clear that he was acting out of a desire to gain more power, and when his entire plan failed, he wanted to create a new plan in an attempt to prevent the hero's plans. If the protagonist couldn't, I'll try another time, the Emperor probably thought. It was this ending that put together the missing puzzle in the game's plot.
He makes it explicitly clear that he believes freeing Orpheus will directly lead to him getting killed BY Orpheus. And to be fair, Orpheus' initial reaction is indeed to express his total fury at the party for taking advantage of his imprisonment. It's only after he's freed that he can calm down and see things more logically, and he only does so after you specifically turn against your ally to protect him. If he hadn't seen you do that, he might not have been able to see you in a different enough light to come around on.
He destroys the githyanki because they are the only ones who can stop him. Although destroying Vlaakith is generally a good thing :). And by the way, the Emperor does not turn others into illithids, in fact, he has no goal to forcibly subjugate people who will serve voluntarily, which perhaps makes him the best ruler of the Baldur's gate 😄.
His main goal is survival. To survive with greater power? Sure, but you need to convince him to dominate the brain, he does not do it because again he is not certain of his own survival. If you let it play out, he just kills the brain. Letting Orpheus live is a threat to his survival, so instead of going 1 vs 5, he decides to switch side as he will become a thrall without Orpheus power anyway
This is the ending you get by rolling D20 persuation on him while he's riding on the high of destroying his former master. His default ending is him returning to his basement to do hedge funding in peace. His motives throughout the game are freedom and survival. He leaves if you free Orpheus because he believes Orpheus will kill him and you will be unable to stop him because the moment Orpheus decides to drop his protection, it's ghaik time for you.
Also when you meet him as an enemy he's enthralled by the Brain, not fighting you of his own volition.
This wasn't his plan all along. You use the stones first, and he only takes them when you fail. After he saves the party by yeeting them back into the astral prism. Clearly he did not want any of that to happen. This just looks like mindflayers desire power and you tempt one into taking power. Nice going.
In the my last playthrough, I've decided to kill the Emperor. Good choice, that will be my default choice for the future
I still remember some people thinking betraying the emperor is wrong 😄
wdym, even in this D20 persuation check evil ending, he doesn't act against you unless you try to kill him
@@hamsterpad3093 He is taking the power all for himself lol. The only reason you need to convince him is him not being sure if that is even possible.
@@bbdf21 in this ending Tav is to him what Astarion/Minthara are to Tav when they say "let's rule together". One person sits at that throne and has absolute power over the rest - that's the evil endings' premise. What would Tav do if one of their companions lunged at them with a knife? (also note how Tav in this ending wants to kill him and take his power, not out of altruism for the people)
In the meta sense Emperor is a reflection of the player. Not Tav, but you, the player. Which is why it's always funny to me how eager people are to impose double standards on him for everything that he says/does
@@hamsterpad3093 Nah, Tav is like Stelmane was to the emperor. A Puppet wich believes to act on their own accord when really, the emperor allways holds the reigns. He snaps Tav at the slightest sign of free thought.
@@bbdf21 He literally kills Tav only when Tav attacks first, it's in the video. Otherwise he never acts against Tav unless Tav screws him over first by freeing Orpheus. Tav always has freedom of thought, even in this ending. If he didn't he wouldn't have been able to attack the Emperor in first place. Also Stelmane wasn't a puppet/thrall. That's impossible in the lore - thralls are created by the collective effort of a mind hive and its Elder Brain, and are unaware of their enthrallment (Volo's Guide To Monsters 5e), nor does the game point to that if you know how enthrallment works. Stelmane was presumably dominated - a spell Tav can use on enemies in the game btw. The game gives you only a vague flashback and no explanation, but one of the adventure modules (Murder In Baldur's Gate) it mentions the mind flayer who dominated Stelmane did it for "inerrogation"
What we don’t see is right after this Vlaakith just casted Wish and obliterates the Elder Brain and now the Emperor has no Giga brain
She could've do that? Really?
@@straussenberg286
Yep and how does she use it in the game? Just to party wipe you in the crèche.
@@Videogal1993 I love that. It is just a perfect bit of characterization for her. She could just use wish for something useful, but instead uses it out of pettiness.
Just perfect to show her true nature.
@@straussenberg286 yeah if you mouth off at her in the Creché she casts it to instant game over you.
In her official 5e D&D character stats she has the Wish spell listed as one of the spells she can cast.
It should be added casting Wish is super risky as you can lose the ability to do so and all spells you cast for a while hurt the user and the caster’s physical strength are dropped drastically.