General info if you go for an extended warranty. That 4-6 year warranty starts 'right now', so it's worthless during the factory warranty. You can still get it, but right before the original runs out. By then, you should know if you need it. Of course, the finance person pushes to sign it NOW, because they know that you may realize that you don't need it.
Riverside Harley (CA) was pressing me hard to sign for a $45k contract + $5k down + my 2020 sportster for 23 fast Johnnie. When I refused and explained why(cause it’s a ripoff) their sales manager came out of nowhere very aggressive, rude, and just an asshole, telling me I can refinance blah blah blah. I bought a Suzuki gsx8r last Saturday, straight up sale $200 under msrp.
The Indian FTR is a great sport bike. It's close to the HD's Sportster S in spec, but looks very different. Base model starts around $13,499 and go as high as $18,999 with various models in between. The rest of their lineup is all cruisers, baggers and touring models, not unlike HD. It should be fairly easy to find used FTR's out there.
My first bike was a 2003 883 Sportster 100th Anniversary Edition. Bought it new when I was 20, wish I’d kept it. Not particularly quick by any means nor the greatest handler, but she was gorgeous (at least I thought so) and a lot of fun to run around some two-lane backroads on.
I loved the old nighthawk had an 86 . The forward controls take some getting used to. My first Harley was an 2010 96 cid Fatbob mid controls with hioghway pegs. I had to learn o shift with heal and break with heal while feet von pegs . I hated them mids were just postioned wrong. The next FatBob i bought was a 2014 witha 103cid with forward controls loved them. It just takes gettig used to your legs being so far in front of you. The FatBobs handle like a dream even though it is heavy. when they switched to the mono shock it changed to much for me it truly was the end of the dyna
I was looking for a commuter bike for fairly cheap , lots of riding but all dirt , so I love the looks of some Harley’s buddy tried so hard to get me to buy one (he rides one ) I watched so many you tube videos and I wasn’t wanting to be 10k actually 12 by the time California rips you off. , so I went to a local bike shop who sales all types of bikes I settled on a 2024 Kawasaki eliminator 500 , only because it was what I needed for the job , the salesman only said one time you could put grow it , I said probably but it’s only 90 percent for going to and from work 14 miles round trip . Never did he ever say or try to up sale me , in fact they tried getting me for 7k on the price I showed the guy the exact bike on their website for sale for 51/2 k he looked at my phone and told me shit that’s a crazy price and wrote me up and I got a 500 rebate directly from Kawasaki , I love this bike it has plenty of power and is great to throw around weighs nothing 389lbs wet , I don’t believe I will ever buy from a Harley dealer I might buy a Harley at some point but it will be in dealer tgat isn’t just pushing Harley’s
I like the early XR's flat track body work (tank /tail & solo seat, the low sculpted tank does not have that top heavy looking sportster wannabe chopper look to it as opposed to the 1970's era flat track genetics of XR tank and tail ) So that early cosmetic design adapted to the modern chassis, suspension and evo or later engine design which are light years better than any 70's built shovel based HD AMF junk would be the sportster i would own. Harley seems to be under some delusion that their ride for the brand people will love or buy whatever they put out just because its a Harley. i liked the sportster 48 look a few years ago, with larger tires, maybe a springer forks, but that stoopid buckaroo sportster tank ruins the appeal of the design. I am old now, being raised on knuckleheads and Panheads and flatheads back in the day. even the 1957 sportster was far better looking standard bike that what it was to become, back when they were both affordable workable and good looking 1936-1965. All the AMF year harleys are what choppers should have been made from, i used to cringe when i saw a knucklehead or pan head chopped and butchered, a 1965-1983 bowling ball, not so much.
YES this is very wide spread!! Pretty sure this is Harley's business model, if not then why do so many dealerships have all these 23 models with 8 to 12k off?? And still not back to MSRP. If you look around some of the 24s are cheaper that the 23s, same model!!
That's a four square. Just a negotiating tool to help put a deal together. Used them for years. Funny you immediately have to pay $1420 in additional profit for prep and freight. Sounds like to me you had a dip sh#t salesperson.
In 2022, when I was looking for one, $9k was fair market for these in my area. And, I really wanted on, at the time. But, considering that a new Mt-09 costs that much, I agree.
@@RogerTernyakit was 😅however I had to buy new tires because the originals were rotten and also the original key fob was lost so I had to get one, new oil too because the bike was sitting for so long and new battery lol…. Everything was another 1k
I went to a dealership last week to look at a 2017 883. A bike that should book for about 6500$ retail , after all the other added BS they are trying to sell me that bike for twelve grand with their financing. Uh nope. So i told them id just save up a couple more grand and shoot them a cash offer in a few weeks if they still had the bike, boy they didnt like that AT all. Im like well i about have enough saved up to just pay cash so, why even mess with all that other financing bs, along with a 995$ assembly fee they are trying to tack on to a used bike lol.
A woman had kounts kustoms on history channel had them fix one of these they made changes to help her ride it easier she was some kind of racer as well.
I have a 2021 sportster s with just under 10000 miles. Great bike and solid as far as mechanicals. I am about to trade in. Im getting $8500 for the trade in value. If your interested and fairly local to New England I would be open to talk. Also has mid controls on it.
You sir are wrong. The Pan Am is the fastest bike Harley had ever made. And is more a sport bike than anything they have ever made. But you are right about the dealers scamming everyone. The sales people make commission on the markup in most cases. That doesn’t happen at other brand dealers. And that will continue until people stop buying them.
Not really, though I see your point. The Pan Am is not meant to be sporty, though it is extremely fast. My point was that the XR1200 was actually designed to compete with sport bikes a dozen years ago. Now, if H-D listened to potential buyers and actually made a performance-focused Pan Am, I would pay attention. I rode one and liked it, but its geometry is too tall to truly be sporty, IMO.
@@m0t0rnews26 yeah the position isn’t great very sporty. It’s meant as a do it all. The one that dominated the super hooligan race this year were modified a bit.But I got to ride this bike and I have a Pan Am and the Pan Am is way faster. I’m out riding with 600 sport bikes no problem. I wish Harley would focus on the future because that rev max engine is capable of so much more. It’s like they are afraid of being fast. The bike you tried to get showed up at my local dealer and they had people calling about it from all over. They could do to the Pan Am what Suzuki did to the GSX8s who released the RS and it would be a track bike no problem. The other thing keeping Harley back is the dealerships. The markup is crazy and they always try to hide it with a low note. I recently bought a Suzuki 8R with no hassle no hidden markup.
General info if you go for an extended warranty. That 4-6 year warranty starts 'right now', so it's worthless during the factory warranty. You can still get it, but right before the original runs out. By then, you should know if you need it.
Of course, the finance person pushes to sign it NOW, because they know that you may realize that you don't need it.
Riverside Harley (CA) was pressing me hard to sign for a $45k contract + $5k down + my 2020 sportster for 23 fast Johnnie. When I refused and explained why(cause it’s a ripoff) their sales manager came out of nowhere very aggressive, rude, and just an asshole, telling me I can refinance blah blah blah. I bought a Suzuki gsx8r last Saturday, straight up sale $200 under msrp.
You definitely made a good choice. Those GSX8R's are great bikes.
@@m0t0rnews26 thanks. idk I could have so much fun on a motorcycle, I didn’t feel like this on my sportster. One of the best decisions I’ve ever made.
Never even consider the "4 Block" paperwork!
Long story short…. Several times.
It was really short story long! Lol
The Indian FTR is a great sport bike. It's close to the HD's Sportster S in spec, but looks very different. Base model starts around $13,499 and go as high as $18,999 with various models in between. The rest of their lineup is all cruisers, baggers and touring models, not unlike HD. It should be fairly easy to find used FTR's out there.
I got to ride one demo day. It's a phenomenal ride.
My first bike was a 2003 883 Sportster 100th Anniversary Edition. Bought it new when I was 20, wish I’d kept it. Not particularly quick by any means nor the greatest handler, but she was gorgeous (at least I thought so) and a lot of fun to run around some two-lane backroads on.
The moment they said they have the XR 1200 you should’ve walked out the front door.
I loved the old nighthawk had an 86 . The forward controls take some getting used to. My first Harley was an 2010 96 cid Fatbob mid controls with hioghway pegs. I had to learn o shift with heal and break with heal while feet von pegs . I hated them mids were just postioned wrong. The next FatBob i bought was a 2014 witha 103cid with forward controls loved them. It just takes gettig used to your legs being so far in front of you. The FatBobs handle like a dream even though it is heavy. when they switched to the mono shock it changed to much for me it truly was the end of the dyna
I got a 93 hugger with foreard controls, they took a while to get used to, but you really can control about the same but its a different feel.
I was looking for a commuter bike for fairly cheap , lots of riding but all dirt , so I love the looks of some Harley’s buddy tried so hard to get me to buy one (he rides one ) I watched so many you tube videos and I wasn’t wanting to be 10k actually 12 by the time California rips you off. , so I went to a local bike shop who sales all types of bikes I settled on a 2024 Kawasaki eliminator 500 , only because it was what I needed for the job , the salesman only said one time you could put grow it , I said probably but it’s only 90 percent for going to and from work 14 miles round trip . Never did he ever say or try to up sale me , in fact they tried getting me for 7k on the price I showed the guy the exact bike on their website for sale for 51/2 k he looked at my phone and told me shit that’s a crazy price and wrote me up and I got a 500 rebate directly from Kawasaki , I love this bike it has plenty of power and is great to throw around weighs nothing 389lbs wet , I don’t believe I will ever buy from a Harley dealer I might buy a Harley at some point but it will be in dealer tgat isn’t just pushing Harley’s
I like the early XR's flat track body work (tank /tail & solo seat, the low sculpted tank does not have that top heavy looking sportster wannabe chopper look to it as opposed to the 1970's era flat track genetics of XR tank and tail ) So that early cosmetic design adapted to the modern chassis, suspension and evo or later engine design which are light years better than any 70's built shovel based HD AMF junk would be the sportster i would own. Harley seems to be under some delusion that their ride for the brand people will love or buy whatever they put out just because its a Harley. i liked the sportster 48 look a few years ago, with larger tires, maybe a springer forks, but that stoopid buckaroo sportster tank ruins the appeal of the design. I am old now, being raised on knuckleheads and Panheads and flatheads back in the day. even the 1957 sportster was far better looking standard bike that what it was to become, back when they were both affordable workable and good looking 1936-1965. All the AMF year harleys are what choppers should have been made from, i used to cringe when i saw a knucklehead or pan head chopped and butchered, a 1965-1983 bowling ball, not so much.
Fascinating. I would love to see a modern XR-themed bike, kind of like the Ftr.
I just saw a good XR online for 6900.00
Yeah, the used prices have fallen lately.
I just wasted your whole morning... Ya know...
YES this is very wide spread!! Pretty sure this is Harley's business model, if not then why do so many dealerships have all these 23 models with 8 to 12k off?? And still not back to MSRP. If you look around some of the 24s are cheaper that the 23s, same model!!
So true!
That's a four square. Just a negotiating tool to help put a deal together. Used them for years. Funny you immediately have to pay $1420 in additional profit for prep and freight. Sounds like to me you had a dip sh#t salesperson.
Bro I picked up a sportster 1200 for 3500 two years ago with only 2k miles…. 10k for a 2009 is a ripoff
In 2022, when I was looking for one, $9k was fair market for these in my area. And, I really wanted on, at the time. But, considering that a new Mt-09 costs that much, I agree.
Cash is king, specially in this economy… it took me couple weeks for the guy to drop the price that much
@@RogerTernyakit was 😅however I had to buy new tires because the originals were rotten and also the original key fob was lost so I had to get one, new oil too because the bike was sitting for so long and new battery lol…. Everything was another 1k
@@RogerTernyakbut waaaayyy cheaper that buying in a dealership
I went to a dealership last week to look at a 2017 883. A bike that should book for about 6500$ retail , after all the other added BS they are trying to sell me that bike for twelve grand with their financing. Uh nope. So i told them id just save up a couple more grand and shoot them a cash offer in a few weeks if they still had the bike, boy they didnt like that AT all. Im like well i about have enough saved up to just pay cash so, why even mess with all that other financing bs, along with a 995$ assembly fee they are trying to tack on to a used bike lol.
Yeah, great idea to pay cash if you can. Assembly fee for a used bike is straight robbery. I hope you find the bike you want!
A woman had kounts kustoms on history channel had them fix one of these they made changes to help her ride it easier she was some kind of racer as well.
Gotta add tax and prep stuff that'll be 3k alone
Exactly. No way was I dropping that money after the greedy bait-and-switch.
I have a 2021 sportster s with just under 10000 miles. Great bike and solid as far as mechanicals. I am about to trade in. Im getting $8500 for the trade in value. If your interested and fairly local to New England I would be open to talk. Also has mid controls on it.
10k for an xr is high
Long stupid boring
Well, that's one way to describe your life, I guess. 🤷♂
You sir are wrong. The Pan Am is the fastest bike Harley had ever made. And is more a sport bike than anything they have ever made. But you are right about the dealers scamming everyone. The sales people make commission on the markup in most cases. That doesn’t happen at other brand dealers. And that will continue until people stop buying them.
Not really, though I see your point. The Pan Am is not meant to be sporty, though it is extremely fast. My point was that the XR1200 was actually designed to compete with sport bikes a dozen years ago. Now, if H-D listened to potential buyers and actually made a performance-focused Pan Am, I would pay attention. I rode one and liked it, but its geometry is too tall to truly be sporty, IMO.
@@m0t0rnews26 yeah the position isn’t great very sporty. It’s meant as a do it all. The one that dominated the super hooligan race this year were modified a bit.But I got to ride this bike and I have a Pan Am and the Pan Am is way faster. I’m out riding with 600 sport bikes no problem. I wish Harley would focus on the future because that rev max engine is capable of so much more. It’s like they are afraid of being fast. The bike you tried to get showed up at my local dealer and they had people calling about it from all over. They could do to the Pan Am what Suzuki did to the GSX8s who released the RS and it would be a track bike no problem. The other thing keeping Harley back is the dealerships. The markup is crazy and they always try to hide it with a low note. I recently bought a Suzuki 8R with no hassle no hidden markup.
@@billbiker I agree 100, my friend. If they took chances like Suzuki has with the GSX8, I think they'd sell like crazy.