Great review! I use this bass clarinet and it works great for my needs. I do constantly struggle with the octave key being sticky but I've solved this by keeping cigarette paper under it when I'm not using it. Seems to work fine then. Overall a great instrument if you're doing mainly supporting work and no heavy lifting :)
I've played this model for about 7 years, my thoughts: 1. Yes, the register key mechanism isn't that great. It gets wet, requiring you to blow it dry on occasion otherwise you don't get a proper Bb tone. It gets out of adjustment either requiring you to bend the springs. I've had to add thickness to a piece of cork on the mechanism because it otherwise wouldn't work properly. 2. In the 4 physical different horns of this model I've played, they all had terrible intonation in for long C and B, in some cases no amount of jaw adjustment would fix it and keep the tone passable. I basically just stopped playing long B in whatever I it came up. 3. You could only tune by the neck so far, pull out enough and you make a small pinhole where the gap in the neck collar is. I've generally filled this gap with cork grease and/or taped over it. I believe the newer model (this one) had a longer insert length, while the older version had a shorter one. 4. I prefer it over the wooden Yamaha Low C model, maybe our universities horn just sucked, but the plastic one simply just sounded better. Other than those issues, I've otherwise enjoyed it.
@@sandraaleon2313 how has the instrument aged over a few months? Have the keys corroded acceptionally fast, has it needed adjustment frequently or have you had any bad experiences with it? I've only heard positive things about the kessler and I want to reassure before I decide to buy one
I borrow this model bass clarinet from my university and I definitely agree with you on the sloppiness of the register key. I kind of have to anticipate going over the break when I play it, which is tough on a lot of the pieces that we play. It gets pretty annoying. And, yes, the keys come out of adjustment pretty easily. But, other than that, it has a decent tone to it!
I've been playing this model for about 3 years now. For the sticking register key, from time to time, I just put the piece of blue cotton between the key and the hole, press on the key (not too hard) and pull on the cotton piece. Than it plays ok for 2 or 3 months, I think something sticky accumulates on the pad. Another issue, is the low B fork key, which forced me to really flex my right ring finger. So I had my clarinet specialist solder a key and now it looks a lot like the left hand fork key (E flat). Otherwise, for those having the rubber rings not cooperating when putting the clarinet together, a bit of cork grease on them (once every 3 months or so) will solve that and doesn't seem to degrade the rings at all. Apart from that, I love the fact that it seems to resonate more than a Buffet. I also, bought a Selmer Focus mouthpiece, it seems to amplify the resonance with respect to the plastic mouthpiece supplied.
I have had this model since 1991. It is now my second instrument because I also have a low C Yamaha. Both play nicely and I have never had problem over the break with the Eb model.
They key metal is very very soft. I've used these a lot for school bands and I'm always having problems with keys not closing properly and I'm always having to repair them or take them in to get them repaired.
I've played these for 4 years, never new, yet ive only ever had issues with the keys once. They were by far the best out of all the bass clarinets my schools had.
Yeah i got a 221-2. It was my first bass after a vito. Way better than the vito was. The key metal actually on mine is not that bad... it’s quite resilient, certainly not rockhard, But it’s far better than many of the others that I’ve played on. My only complaint with that is that it tends to be a little sharp. And yeah on the register key being a bit sloppy.
I get asked from time to time, what my thoughts are on this model. I've played this exact model. Our high school program purchased four new BCLs around 2012. What I/we noticed is that all four had problems with the register mechanism not working properly. It often stuck open (like you discovered). Additionally, the O-rings in the lower joints made it nearly impossible to put together. The amount of force needed was crazy. The idea is understandable but it never really wore down enough. The lower B was consistently out of tune. These were the ongoing problems we had with all four YCL-221 from 2012 to about 2018. I hope Yamaha will revamp this model and correct these problems in the future. By the way, thanks for your review.
The register key pad on mine started sticking badly after a few months. I had to replace it with cork, which immediately solved the problem. Why Yamaha didn't do this from the factory I have no idea...
@@TiaanUys You just need to keep the pad and tone-hole clean and make sure the spring that opens it has proper tension. See my note in the replies. It is a 30 seconds regulation that anyone can do at home. No need for tools either. Just be gentle on the spring and don't over tighten it.
I recently purchased this horn as well. I love the case, though some extra space for music and accessories would be nice. But crossing the break feels really hard, and I also don't like the ligature and the mouthpiece. I saw this on my YCL-255 as well. I upgraded to Vandoren Optimum ligature and a Black Diamond mouthpiece, and I'm now really happy with it. As a beginner, I feel very good about having purchased this horn. Well worth the money.
10:53 The Kessler is sometimes out of stock, so the Yamaha's low-cost advantage may still be something to consider, although Ridenour makes bass clarinets for around the same price.
I love your videos! I play bass clarinet for my wind ensemble, and I made my wind ensemble my sophomore year. Bass clarinet is one of my all time favorites.
I purchased this instrument about a year ago, except for needing an adjustment on the upper/lower mechanism interconnect. It has been the best choice for me, because I can’t spend 7 times as much for a Selmer Privilege.
I tried one of these in a local store. It played a bit sharp when cold (tuned to A-442) so I pulled the neck slightly and it was fine. Over an hour it warmed up considerably and I ended up pulling the neck about half an inch and with that the intonation across the range went. This was a pity because it sounded well across the registers, with a ridiculously easy altissimo, and the keywork felt good under my fingers. The test, admittedly on a hot Australian day, was in an air conditioned showroom, was in an air conditioned show room. It was done with two players using a Greg Wier mouthpiece and a Vandoren one.
Student wise, this is pretty much the best bass clarinet you can get. My school owns 4 of these but there are 5 bass clarinet players. I'm the only one of the 5 that's in marching band and we're not allowed to match with the nice Instruments so I get the bad one but I really want this and hopefully I'll get it once someone graduates. The only thing is that bass clarinet takes a long time to out together and apart which isn't good when youre at school and when you're marching and the way this case is it's another step you have to do I usually see them were the two main parts are connected and when I played this model in middle school it was difficult having to take those pieces apart too but other than that I really really like this model
Thank you for the video. I found the bit about the thumb rest particularly helpful. I play an old Vito Resotone model and have been having handling problems - my wrist was aching, my thumb hurt and my right index finger was fouling the Eb side key. Checking the instrument I found that the thumb hook had already been raised by about 5mm. I raised it by another 25mm to bring the thumb in line with the index finger and covered it with felt. This solved the hand problems immediately. This still leaves the weight problem when playing standing but I suspect that the judicious use of helium balloons .......
I have this model clarinet and I’ve been playing on it for about 2-3 years now.Over time I noticed the fact that the register key continues to be a problem even after going to the shop multiple times to fix and or adjust it.The key work itself,at least for me,have been fairly well I don’t have any problems with them the low register sounds great to me and has been for a while.Although playing the mid Bb using the register key, it always comes out airy and breathy no matter what I try. As a junior in high school I still look at this bass clarinet as a good model to play on especially for a student model bass clarinet.
I have one of these. I use as my backup to my Buffet Prestige low C. I have the following issues. In general, it is SHARP. I have to pull way out at the neck to body connection.. The 3rd line B is quite sharp. I glued a cork crescent in the low e flat tone hole to lower the pitch of that note. It's somewhat better, but of course, now the low E is a little flat. The pad on the register key was very sticky. I had it replaced and I had my tech install a beefier spring on the the register key mechanism to assist with the sluggish response of that key. I found the tone quality acceptable, a little coarse at the louder dynamic volumes, but pleasing at moderate to lower volumes. And yes, the case is a great feature. It is the same size as a Yamaha alto saxophone case that the Yamaha Advantage alto saxophone comes in. I myself am not a fan of the green color, but really, you don't play the case. The good news is I had no problems bringing this case on board an international flight this past summer and stowing it in the overhead storage.
I thought I'd add a comment as most people who are contemplating starting on bass clarinet are probably going to end up here, just as I did. A while ago I was asked if I would be prepared to switch from soprano clarinet to bass in the concert band that I play in. Having checked out how much the darn things cost, I didn't think I could justify buying anything better than Yamaha. My two main concerns from the various reviews that I watched and read were the sticky register key and the fact of it only going down to Eb. As it turns out, the issue of the sticky register key is very easily solved. All you need to do is buy a little pad dryer for couple of dollars (available from Key Leaves or BG) and stick it under the pad when the instrument is in the case. I've done this from new and have never had any problem whatsoever. On the issue of it only going down to low Eb, my concert band is a fairly decent standard and we play all of the usual repertoire from traditional to modern - only once in the dozens of pieces we've played has a note lower than Eb come up. This was a low D in a Sondheim piece and even then, the alternative upper D was written into the part. So really, I would say that if this is the kind of use that you are thinking of buying if for, it will do the job perfectly adequately. In all honestly, I am now thinking of upgrading to a wooden low C but that's only because I want to, not because I need to.
Yamaha YCL-622II. That is a model for a Low C bass clarinet from Yamaha. I play one this model at college. It's an older horn, but it's still a Yamaha Low C bass clarinet. Now, I have heard wonderful things about the YCL-221 bass clarinet, so thank you for testing it out! I think my college may soon need to get another bass clarinet, mostly a Low E-flat bass clarinet. I will definately keep this in mind if my band director or even my clarinet professor asks for ideas!
I've used this horn for about 4 years, all with marching band, and the biggest issue is always the register system. It gets sticky and the outdoor use accelerates the rust of the springs. Hair ties fix that pretty good though!
watching this video triggered my PTSD from my freshman year when i had to play that horn for both concert and marching seasons. Im glad my school bought the selmer privilege for me to play!
This model is the one I've been using the longest, and feels much better than the old student selmer bass clarinets. I used one in middle school, and the register key never really worked 100% of the time. The one that I'm using in high school actually has become a good register key. I use it like 5 times more and with use, it becomes more responsive. It took about 6 months for the key to become responsive. This would not he ideal if I were buying my own but for a school instrument it is pretty good
I’ve used a Yamaha student bass for 2 years now. Its a school instrument that’s about 8 years old. To this day I have to unstick the register key CONSTANTLY! I’m also very surprised how in-tune your is.
The register key adjustment is only the first of many one will encounter with this instrument. I have lost count how many times I've had to get it fixed. The metal is weak overal, and it just does not play well. See if you can get your hands on a Buffet 1180 to review. I just purchased one for my school. What a revalation!
Loved the review. I worked at a high school in the California desert near Palm Springs (very hot, very dry) and we bought 4 new Yams just like this. All four had the same problem. Register key sticks and never opened fast enough. But also, the mid section and bell tennons O-rings made it nearly impossible to put together. Way too tight. Possibly a condition of the desert? On the plus side, it was mostly in tune and responsive. Some keys were clangy but overall a decent horn for the cash. My humble opinion of course 😌
I have bought one (YCL-221 II), and I like it sound-wise very much, and also the basic feel of the key-work. The register key is a week point indeed, though. I had it at the repair shop and it's better now, but it is still less than optimum. The stock mouthpiece 4C is not bad, and a Yamaha 5C even quite nice, especially considering the price... In Germany, where I live, there are not really many alternatives to this horn. I tried also the Jupiter plastic low Eb model, and liked the key-work actually better, but sound of the Yamaha was more convincing to my ears ... I had also tried a Andreas Eastman low C bass which was more or less in the same price range, but that couldn't hold up neither soundwise nor in the quality of the key-work with the Yamaha or Jupiter IMHO...
Great review! I bought one a few months ago and it has been super for my needs (Brass player here!). I also had issues with the register key but found it improved after cleaning the pad up. Great entry level instrument!
I’ve played on this bass for the past 2 years. I hated every second of it because of how sharp it was and the register key. Not to mention getting the bell on was difficult for me because of those stupid O rings. I got my Kessler Low C in a few days ago and I absolutely love it so far!! I’m going into college this Fall and I think it will help me advance much more than that Yamaha ever would.
I had one and it was pretty disappointing tbh, and I usually love yamaha stuff! The register key drives you insane and really holds you back. I ended up selling it thinking that if you really wanna play bass clarinet just save forever and get a pro model.
I keep a piece of cigarette paper under that top pad at all times when the instrument is on the stand or in the case. It will stick if you look at it funny. I had to have it replaced before I realized how sensitive it is to moisture. I have to pull the neck out about an inch and a half, but when I do that the intonation is amazing. Instrument sounds great down low. I like the compact case.
I actually play this same model for my middle school band it is really nice especially when the reed is on their perfectly and the notes come out so powerful and vibrate your body and by far low fs are just the best when played loud they are just so pleasant to the ear though crossing the break and going above a high g (4 fingers left hand) are a very big annoyance to me though for being a student model and the fact I can play it for free is freaking amazing and I also have a clarinet tutor who fixes pretty much everything for free (he has a big shop with all the tools) and my band director trusts him so the school lets him fix it if he can so the school doesn’t have to pay a thing and parents don’t get fined this was amazing when I dropped my bass clarinet at pep band and he fixed it better than it was before
I got this bass new for marching band this year, and the register key would ALWAYS get stuck down. But otherwise it is so good for marching band or any sort of outdoor use. I never experienced any response issues even while marching out in cold weather either. It’s quite a solid horn.
I have one of these clarinets and have used it for my schools wind ensemble extensively and the keys have held up wonderfully and the keys are still springy and very responsive
I have played this model for a few years. The 12th key on the back is an absolute nightmare - the only thing I can fault the instrument for, but it is a pretty big nightmare no less. I have had multiple instrument technicians look at it but it always goes back to the way it was.
I have the same model and the same key was stuck, but my band teacher taught me a neat trick. You take a dollar bill and put it between the key and the hole, then you press down on the key and pull the dollar bill out. That solved my problem right away
Using this bass rn in concert band. I hate it with a burning passion, not only because of the issues it has already (stuffy notes, sticky register key, needs a lot of air), I also have to put up with clinky keywork. Can’t wait to upgrade to the Kessler.
I have this bass and I can’t complain. I use it for doubling (I’m primarily a sax player). My only complaint is the lowest B natural is not speaking well and has needed adjustment a few times. I got my self a good mouthpiece (Selmer Concept) which is much better than the stock Yamaha 4C included with this bass. Your Selmer bass is a bad mofo! I have three Selmer Serie II saxophones- alto, tenor, and bari- and they are the real deal. Thanks for this video. Very informative.
Register key for this instrument is messed up, when playing throat Bb it sometimes doesn’t play properly because one of the holes is not staying closed. Very difficult to find the sweet spot for the adjustment screw. Guess I should take the instrument to a dealer for repair 😂
I’ve used this model for about four years and the worst part by far is the register key. It gets stuck open, stuck closed when you first go to play, and a whole host of other problems.
Wow I keep watching these type of videos on your channel hoping one day my mom would buy my my own bass clarinet knowing that ive been playing for 4 years and I'm always asking for one. 😑😯
I played this instrument during marching season this year and we had a part where we had to jump to and from the higher notes with the register key and it was impossible to play which sucks but I was able to just play the low notes which didn't suck as bad
Well l just bought one, brand new in a sale! It was £1000 less than others selling at UK dealers. I was really worried cos it arrived in a Yamaha alto sax cardboard box and the proper case looked like and alto sax case. Not to worry it was the bass. Mr Lowenstein has me worried about the speaker key! Haven’t tried it yet as waiting for the reeds to arrive. The body is a mixture of ground African Blackwood and some kind of plastic. We pay a lot of purchase tax in the UK ....20% so the tax free price would have been £1100.
I’ve been playing my schools one of this model for a year (it’s at least 5 years old), and it continuously has problems with the octave key, screws coming undone, the rubber rings coming off.. and so many other problems.
Hey I really enjoy your videos and I have a question, I am a freshman in high school I play clarinet and sax and I’m going to start bass clarinet. Do you have any recommendations on what brands are good for beginners? Thanks!
Hey! I’m also a freshman but I’ve played Bass Clarinet since 5th grade.. This Bass Clarinet is actually pretty good for beginners, and students. It’s fairly cheap, and it sounds pretty nice.. Hope that helped.. : )
Alec Rodriguez hey I appreciate your feedback that was definitely helpful especially from someone who is very experienced. I will make sure to look at the Yamahas. I really appreciate your feedback thanks a lot!
He's got quite a few reviews of instruments on his channel that would be useful. Check with your school first to see what instruments they have that you might be able to borrow. Old Bundys and Vito instruments can fit the bill for a starter if they are in decent shape.
Yes, check all of the review videos of Michael on his chanel, they should be very useful. I have played on two bass clarinets since 10 years ago: an old low E-flat Selmer and a low C Buffet Prestige, and the color of the Selmer is something I had never heard from other instrument, dark and resonant, I loved it, and many professors and peers agree with me.
I rented this model from my school. The pads (especially the register key one) need to be replaced but I can’t say anything or else I’d pay for it. It has been like that since I got it.
I probably played an older model Yamaha but I prefer the buffet 1180 student bass. I think the intonation on the buffet is better, high notes on the buffet sound cleaner because the register key mechanism is better, and my lesson teacher that the buffet 1180 is one of the best student models. Also the body is taken apart into two pieces instead of one like Yamaha.
I am not a fan of the case. I have had a few close calls where I thought I had the case shut and it was not. I almost dumped the instrument a couple of times. Just need to be careful with the latches. Not a bad horn.
Michael, you sound lovely on both! Could you recommend a used good bass clarinet that could be fitted with a c extension? I am a clarinetist and saxophone player. I need an instrument that will not “break my bank. Best Wishes, Richard P.S. Your tutorial on reed balancing is great!
Which do you think is better the Selmer 1430 or this one you reviewed? I am currently torn and don't know which one to buy. I really liked the case of the Yamaha but the Selmer you mentioned you can play right when you get it out so I don't know. Thoughts?
Really enjoy your videos and have my private students watch them. They especially like the Coltrane transcription one. What tuner was that? Tried to find it at the app store but only came up with the guitar version. Thanks
this bass clarinet is the model that i play, since im still in school. the register key breaks all the time. seriously. like, the key will have trouble opening oooor of course, it'll open when you dont hit the f key with the register. it sucks sometimes but its better than the old bass clarinets that my school owns. luckily ive been playing the bass clarinet long enough i get a nice new one, unlike the other people who switch who have to play the nice and old basses.
I have a problem where I can't separate the two mid bodies (The oen with the thumbrest and the one above) even if i use cork grease. I have to get help to drag them apart. Any tips?
I'm pretty sure this is the model I have I'm not sure because I borrow my bass clarinet from our local High School I'm in middle school I love my bass clarinet but I only get it for one month in second semester every year and I really want to buy this model
had a friend play one in middle school, am playing one in HS we didnt like it lol there was always something off, the register key, for me it was that it was always way too sharp which would cause you to start leaking air near the tuning area due to the hole for adjusting the width the keys are decent, the thumbrest could be placed a bit higher, it always seems too low even at the highest position 7/10 if you could keep it in good shape it'll serve you decently but due to the fact that school instruments are just the most abused and neglected, they suck when you put pressure on it note: my friend who played this in middle school bought a kessler gen 2 low c and says its much better so if ur playing this for concerts and have the chance to go pick one i would say the kessler is better
So I'm in a high school band, and I am using a loaner instrument that is the exact model. I also have noticed the register key is very sticky and will only open after about .5 to 1 seconds after I press on the register key. I also have trouble going over the break. Could you give some tips and tricks on how to make it easier to play over the break?
How warned up were you before you tested the tuning? Wondering because the Yamaha basses are notorious for playing incredibly sharp once warmed up- to the point where the neck needs to be pulled all the way out. Great review as always though, many thanks
I’m odd I just stared borrowing the bass clarinet from my school for eighth grade and I’m allowed to march with it next year though 3/4 through the year and I’m already practicing tuba to (hopefully) March sousaphone in marching band next year my first year though at least I won’t be really short then I’ll probably reach 5,10 by then if not more considering I have a while and I’m already 5,8
hello. i plan on trying out bass clarinet. i am currently in the 6th grade (first year of band) and i play clarinet. i have a tenor saxophone and was planning to play it for 7th grade band. but bass clarinet also caught my attention. ive heard ppl say it doesnt really get any solo's or melodies which im sad about and do not like since i love playing solos and melodies. anyone got any advice on what to play or do?
I can’t see how you could purchase this when the Kessler Low C is out there... unless like Michael said you are in a marching band. Or because the Kessler is currently out of stock (Thanks Michael... :) ) Still patiently waiting for my opportunity to get the Kessler Low C. Tax refund coming soon... if the federal government allows it. I had a professional Yamaha Low-C YCL622-ii back in the day. While it was awesome, I found it always was in the shop. I ended up selling it so I could have a down payment on my new house. Now that I’m playing again, I really miss the Low C. Two piece bodies are the way to go, though.
It's probably a better instrument for schools. For marching and/or size considerations. I also wonder how a tech would view the Kessler vs Yamaha, given genuine parts availability. Still, like you, given Michael's glowing review, I am waiting for the Kessler to be back in stock.
So I am in 7th grade and I am starting bass clarinet. What brand is the best? In 6th grade I played b flat clarinet. Thank you so much for your answer. Goodbye fellow clarinetists!
Xodiius Eb clarinets are shorter (for kids to be able to get the fingerings right) and basically outdated because nowadays there are even Bb clarinets that just have smaller gaps between the holes. The main difference is of course the tune. If you play a C on the Eb clarinet, the tone that comes out will be an Eb on a piano. For the Bb clarinet it is the same, but with Bb instead of Eb
@@maximw9362 That is wrong! An Eb clarinet plays in the same key as an alto sax, and is generally hard for professional Bb clarinet players to learn. It is typically used in orchestras, along with Bb, Eb alto, Bb bass, and Bb contrabass. They are in no way outdated and are made by many famous manufacturers such as Selmer, Buffet, and others.
"I got my clarinet stuck in my toaster."
"Take your instrument to your dealer for repair."
LOL
Why am I watching this in the middle of the night, I don‘t even play a wind instrument...
I don't play a woodwind yet I'm still watching this
Because wind instruments are awesome, especially bass clarinets
Stop doing cocaine!
Great review! I use this bass clarinet and it works great for my needs. I do constantly struggle with the octave key being sticky but I've solved this by keeping cigarette paper under it when I'm not using it. Seems to work fine then. Overall a great instrument if you're doing mainly supporting work and no heavy lifting :)
I feel like you could’ve just used oil…
I've played this model for about 7 years, my thoughts:
1. Yes, the register key mechanism isn't that great. It gets wet, requiring you to blow it dry on occasion otherwise you don't get a proper Bb tone. It gets out of adjustment either requiring you to bend the springs. I've had to add thickness to a piece of cork on the mechanism because it otherwise wouldn't work properly.
2. In the 4 physical different horns of this model I've played, they all had terrible intonation in for long C and B, in some cases no amount of jaw adjustment would fix it and keep the tone passable. I basically just stopped playing long B in whatever I it came up.
3. You could only tune by the neck so far, pull out enough and you make a small pinhole where the gap in the neck collar is. I've generally filled this gap with cork grease and/or taped over it. I believe the newer model (this one) had a longer insert length, while the older version had a shorter one.
4. I prefer it over the wooden Yamaha Low C model, maybe our universities horn just sucked, but the plastic one simply just sounded better.
Other than those issues, I've otherwise enjoyed it.
Try getting a Kessler low c it's worth it
@@sandraaleon2313 how has the instrument aged over a few months? Have the keys corroded acceptionally fast, has it needed adjustment frequently or have you had any bad experiences with it? I've only heard positive things about the kessler and I want to reassure before I decide to buy one
I borrow this model bass clarinet from my university and I definitely agree with you on the sloppiness of the register key. I kind of have to anticipate going over the break when I play it, which is tough on a lot of the pieces that we play. It gets pretty annoying. And, yes, the keys come out of adjustment pretty easily. But, other than that, it has a decent tone to it!
See my note in my reply above regarding the register key. It is a very easy thing to fix. Good luck
EREZ KATZ I’ll see what I can do about that spring, then. Thanks!
@@haleym7132 Be careful not to over tighten the spring, just add enough tension so it opens fast enough. Less is more here. Good luck
Low E-flats are never the same once you get a low C instrument.
pukalo [CDN] Honestly.
i started on a c and i will not play any thing but a c
I agree with you. It feels weird playing a Low E-flat after playing a Low C bass clarinet.
I play a contra that goes down to low d
@@huskypuppypaws4850 I played a low C contrabass about 3 and a half years ago.
This is great content for a band directors. I am creating a budget for the year, and I am reviewing instruments before we purchase them.
Wish zi knew, I could helped you on this 😁
I rent a bass clarinet from my school and as soon as I saw that case I was like “I have that...” I think the model is older though.
I also rent mine but mine is a really really old Jupiter and had the same register key set up and it's really really annoying!!!
@@onesetclarinet7920 I know right! I could go on and on about that register key.
I've been playing this model for about 3 years now.
For the sticking register key, from time to time, I just put the piece of blue cotton between the key and the hole, press on the key (not too hard) and pull on the cotton piece. Than it plays ok for 2 or 3 months, I think something sticky accumulates on the pad.
Another issue, is the low B fork key, which forced me to really flex my right ring finger. So I had my clarinet specialist solder a key and now it looks a lot like the left hand fork key (E flat).
Otherwise, for those having the rubber rings not cooperating when putting the clarinet together, a bit of cork grease on them (once every 3 months or so) will solve that and doesn't seem to degrade the rings at all.
Apart from that, I love the fact that it seems to resonate more than a Buffet.
I also, bought a Selmer Focus mouthpiece, it seems to amplify the resonance with respect to the plastic mouthpiece supplied.
The yamaha stock mouthpiece is of very poor quality.
I have had this model since 1991. It is now my second instrument because I also have a low C Yamaha. Both play nicely and I have never had problem over the break with the Eb model.
They key metal is very very soft. I've used these a lot for school bands and I'm always having problems with keys not closing properly and I'm always having to repair them or take them in to get them repaired.
I play one and I agree completely
I have the oldest one in my school and I’ve played a new one, do not like this model
That’s like every bass clarinet tho
I've played these for 4 years, never new, yet ive only ever had issues with the keys once. They were by far the best out of all the bass clarinets my schools had.
Yeah i got a 221-2. It was my first bass after a vito. Way better than the vito was. The key metal actually on mine is not that bad... it’s quite resilient, certainly not rockhard, But it’s far better than many of the others that I’ve played on. My only complaint with that is that it tends to be a little sharp. And yeah on the register key being a bit sloppy.
I get asked from time to time, what my thoughts are on this model. I've played this exact model. Our high school program purchased four new BCLs around 2012. What I/we noticed is that all four had problems with the register mechanism not working properly. It often stuck open (like you discovered). Additionally, the O-rings in the lower joints made it nearly impossible to put together. The amount of force needed was crazy. The idea is understandable but it never really wore down enough. The lower B was consistently out of tune. These were the ongoing problems we had with all four YCL-221 from 2012 to about 2018. I hope Yamaha will revamp this model and correct these problems in the future. By the way, thanks for your review.
I rented one of these last summer to try it out and I found the same issue with the O-rings. I was always worried I'd break it.
The register key pad on mine started sticking badly after a few months. I had to replace it with cork, which immediately solved the problem. Why Yamaha didn't do this from the factory I have no idea...
Jared De Leon I had this Problem when I used it in middle school now I’m in high school and I miss that bass :((
I had the exact same thing happen with mine! clearly a flaw of this model.
Genius! I had one of these models in middle school and the register key stuck so bad, it was almost unplayable
Jared de Leon keep working on the octo contrabass clarinet it seems great so far
@@TiaanUys You just need to keep the pad and tone-hole clean and make sure the spring that opens it has proper tension. See my note in the replies. It is a 30 seconds regulation that anyone can do at home. No need for tools either.
Just be gentle on the spring and don't over tighten it.
I recently purchased this horn as well. I love the case, though some extra space for music and accessories would be nice.
But crossing the break feels really hard, and I also don't like the ligature and the mouthpiece. I saw this on my YCL-255 as well. I upgraded to Vandoren Optimum ligature and a Black Diamond mouthpiece, and I'm now really happy with it. As a beginner, I feel very good about having purchased this horn. Well worth the money.
10:53 The Kessler is sometimes out of stock, so the Yamaha's low-cost advantage may still be something to consider, although Ridenour makes bass clarinets for around the same price.
I love your videos! I play bass clarinet for my wind ensemble, and I made my wind ensemble my sophomore year. Bass clarinet is one of my all time favorites.
I purchased this instrument about a year ago, except for needing an adjustment on the upper/lower mechanism interconnect. It has been the best choice for me, because I can’t spend 7 times as much for a Selmer Privilege.
I tried one of these in a local store. It played a bit sharp when cold (tuned to A-442) so I pulled the neck slightly and it was fine. Over an hour it warmed up considerably and I ended up pulling the neck about half an inch and with that the intonation across the range went.
This was a pity because it sounded well across the registers, with a ridiculously easy altissimo, and the keywork felt good under my fingers.
The test, admittedly on a hot Australian day, was in an air conditioned showroom, was in an air conditioned show room. It was done with two players using a Greg Wier mouthpiece and a Vandoren one.
Student wise, this is pretty much the best bass clarinet you can get. My school owns 4 of these but there are 5 bass clarinet players. I'm the only one of the 5 that's in marching band and we're not allowed to match with the nice Instruments so I get the bad one but I really want this and hopefully I'll get it once someone graduates. The only thing is that bass clarinet takes a long time to out together and apart which isn't good when youre at school and when you're marching and the way this case is it's another step you have to do I usually see them were the two main parts are connected and when I played this model in middle school it was difficult having to take those pieces apart too but other than that I really really like this model
Daphne Stier same I couldn’t march with it cuz I’m a freshman and we have to work our way up to the good Instruments
Thank you for the video. I found the bit about the thumb rest particularly helpful. I play an old Vito Resotone model and have been having handling problems - my wrist was aching, my thumb hurt and my right index finger was fouling the Eb side key. Checking the instrument I found that the thumb hook had already been raised by about 5mm. I raised it by another 25mm to bring the thumb in line with the index finger and covered it with felt. This solved the hand problems immediately.
This still leaves the weight problem when playing standing but I suspect that the judicious use of helium balloons .......
I have this model clarinet and I’ve been playing on it for about 2-3 years now.Over time I noticed the fact that the register key continues to be a problem even after going to the shop multiple times to fix and or adjust it.The key work itself,at least for me,have been fairly well I don’t have any problems with them the low register sounds great to me and has been for a while.Although playing the mid Bb using the register key, it always comes out airy and breathy no matter what I try. As a junior in high school I still look at this bass clarinet as a good model to play on especially for a student model bass clarinet.
I have one of these. I use as my backup to my Buffet Prestige low C.
I have the following issues. In general, it is SHARP. I have to pull way out at the neck to body connection.. The 3rd line B is quite sharp. I glued a cork crescent in the low e flat tone hole to lower the pitch of that note. It's somewhat better, but of course, now the low E is a little flat.
The pad on the register key was very sticky. I had it replaced and I had my tech install a beefier spring on the the register key mechanism to assist with the sluggish response of that key.
I found the tone quality acceptable, a little coarse at the louder dynamic volumes, but pleasing at moderate to lower volumes. And yes, the case is a great feature. It is the same size as a Yamaha alto saxophone case that the Yamaha Advantage alto saxophone comes in. I myself am not a fan of the green color, but really, you don't play the case. The good news is I had no problems bringing this case on board an international flight this past summer and stowing it in the overhead storage.
I thought I'd add a comment as most people who are contemplating starting on bass clarinet are probably going to end up here, just as I did. A while ago I was asked if I would be prepared to switch from soprano clarinet to bass in the concert band that I play in. Having checked out how much the darn things cost, I didn't think I could justify buying anything better than Yamaha. My two main concerns from the various reviews that I watched and read were the sticky register key and the fact of it only going down to Eb. As it turns out, the issue of the sticky register key is very easily solved. All you need to do is buy a little pad dryer for couple of dollars (available from Key Leaves or BG) and stick it under the pad when the instrument is in the case. I've done this from new and have never had any problem whatsoever. On the issue of it only going down to low Eb, my concert band is a fairly decent standard and we play all of the usual repertoire from traditional to modern - only once in the dozens of pieces we've played has a note lower than Eb come up. This was a low D in a Sondheim piece and even then, the alternative upper D was written into the part. So really, I would say that if this is the kind of use that you are thinking of buying if for, it will do the job perfectly adequately. In all honestly, I am now thinking of upgrading to a wooden low C but that's only because I want to, not because I need to.
Yamaha YCL-622II. That is a model for a Low C bass clarinet from Yamaha. I play one this model at college. It's an older horn, but it's still a Yamaha Low C bass clarinet. Now, I have heard wonderful things about the YCL-221 bass clarinet, so thank you for testing it out! I think my college may soon need to get another bass clarinet, mostly a Low E-flat bass clarinet. I will definately keep this in mind if my band director or even my clarinet professor asks for ideas!
I've used this horn for about 4 years, all with marching band, and the biggest issue is always the register system. It gets sticky and the outdoor use accelerates the rust of the springs. Hair ties fix that pretty good though!
Kessler does have that low C bass clarinet with a Low Eb option for a couple of hundred bucks less.
I played this TCL221 when I was in primary school, it’s really good and easy for even a 9yrs old girl ! I fell in love with that since then.
I had one of these for a few years. Register keys were a problem as was getting clarion G. It also played incredibly sharp.
watching this video triggered my PTSD from my freshman year when i had to play that horn for both concert and marching seasons. Im glad my school bought the selmer privilege for me to play!
This model is the one I've been using the longest, and feels much better than the old student selmer bass clarinets. I used one in middle school, and the register key never really worked 100% of the time. The one that I'm using in high school actually has become a good register key. I use it like 5 times more and with use, it becomes more responsive. It took about 6 months for the key to become responsive. This would not he ideal if I were buying my own but for a school instrument it is pretty good
My Yamaha Grand came with an instruction manual as well. I learned it is a good idea to wash your hands before sitting at the piano. Great advice.
I’ve used a Yamaha student bass for 2 years now. Its a school instrument that’s about 8 years old. To this day I have to unstick the register key CONSTANTLY! I’m also very surprised how in-tune your is.
The register key adjustment is only the first of many one will encounter with this instrument. I have lost count how many times I've had to get it fixed. The metal is weak overal, and it just does not play well. See if you can get your hands on a Buffet 1180 to review. I just purchased one for my school. What a revalation!
You should test cheap amazon clarinets
i play that model and i can say that is a very good instrument
Loved the review. I worked at a high school in the California desert near Palm Springs (very hot, very dry) and we bought 4 new Yams just like this. All four had the same problem. Register key sticks and never opened fast enough. But also, the mid section and bell tennons O-rings made it nearly impossible to put together. Way too tight. Possibly a condition of the desert? On the plus side, it was mostly in tune and responsive. Some keys were clangy but overall a decent horn for the cash. My humble opinion of course 😌
I've had the same issues with the horn being to tight to put together and my only advice to you is to smother those o rings in cork grease.
I have bought one (YCL-221 II), and I like it sound-wise very much, and also the basic feel of the key-work. The register key is a week point indeed, though. I had it at the repair shop and it's better now, but it is still less than optimum. The stock mouthpiece 4C is not bad, and a Yamaha 5C even quite nice, especially considering the price... In Germany, where I live, there are not really many alternatives to this horn. I tried also the Jupiter plastic low Eb model, and liked the key-work actually better, but sound of the Yamaha was more convincing to my ears ... I had also tried a Andreas Eastman low C bass which was more or less in the same price range, but that couldn't hold up neither soundwise nor in the quality of the key-work with the Yamaha or Jupiter IMHO...
I have one and i love it , same problem with the octave key though . Can i fix this myself ? How
Great review! I bought one a few months ago and it has been super for my needs (Brass player here!). I also had issues with the register key but found it improved after cleaning the pad up. Great entry level instrument!
I’ve played on this bass for the past 2 years. I hated every second of it because of how sharp it was and the register key. Not to mention getting the bell on was difficult for me because of those stupid O rings. I got my Kessler Low C in a few days ago and I absolutely love it so far!! I’m going into college this Fall and I think it will help me advance much more than that Yamaha ever would.
Long & McQuade wanted to charge $3000 for this guy. One day I'll pay your NY shop a visit, but for now just in my dreams
i have that bass clarinet and i’m in 6th grade i’ve been playing since 4th grade but i love ❤️ watching u
I had one and it was pretty disappointing tbh, and I usually love yamaha stuff! The register key drives you insane and really holds you back. I ended up selling it thinking that if you really wanna play bass clarinet just save forever and get a pro model.
I keep a piece of cigarette paper under that top pad at all times when the instrument is on the stand or in the case. It will stick if you look at it funny. I had to have it replaced before I realized how sensitive it is to moisture. I have to pull the neck out about an inch and a half, but when I do that the intonation is amazing. Instrument sounds great down low. I like the compact case.
Dude... I just love your videos!
I actually play this same model for my middle school band it is really nice especially when the reed is on their perfectly and the notes come out so powerful and vibrate your body and by far low fs are just the best when played loud they are just so pleasant to the ear though crossing the break and going above a high g (4 fingers left hand) are a very big annoyance to me though for being a student model and the fact I can play it for free is freaking amazing and I also have a clarinet tutor who fixes pretty much everything for free (he has a big shop with all the tools) and my band director trusts him so the school lets him fix it if he can so the school doesn’t have to pay a thing and parents don’t get fined this was amazing when I dropped my bass clarinet at pep band and he fixed it better than it was before
Sorry for the rant
I got this bass new for marching band this year, and the register key would ALWAYS get stuck down. But otherwise it is so good for marching band or any sort of outdoor use. I never experienced any response issues even while marching out in cold weather either. It’s quite a solid horn.
Getting the instrument in a few years!! Tried it and it was perfect!
I have one of these clarinets and have used it for my schools wind ensemble extensively and the keys have held up wonderfully and the keys are still springy and very responsive
I have played this model for a few years. The 12th key on the back is an absolute nightmare - the only thing I can fault the instrument for, but it is a pretty big nightmare no less. I have had multiple instrument technicians look at it but it always goes back to the way it was.
I have the same model and the same key was stuck, but my band teacher taught me a neat trick. You take a dollar bill and put it between the key and the hole, then you press down on the key and pull the dollar bill out. That solved my problem right away
I don't even know how to play on any clarinet, but this is beautiful, and I want to learn to play on it!!!!
its not too difficult (from my standpoint)
Using this bass rn in concert band. I hate it with a burning passion, not only because of the issues it has already (stuffy notes, sticky register key, needs a lot of air), I also have to put up with clinky keywork. Can’t wait to upgrade to the Kessler.
I have that exact model and I have the same register key problem.
Windwood SAME
I have this bass and I can’t complain. I use it for doubling (I’m primarily a sax player). My only complaint is the lowest B natural is not speaking well and has needed adjustment a few times. I got my self a good mouthpiece (Selmer Concept) which is much better than the stock Yamaha 4C included with this bass.
Your Selmer bass is a bad mofo! I have three Selmer Serie II saxophones- alto, tenor, and bari- and they are the real deal.
Thanks for this video. Very informative.
You should do a review on the selmer bundy bass clarinet that’ll be nice
He did. The Selmer 1430 is acoustically identical to the Bundy
Oh okay cool I didn’t know that until now thank you
Register key for this instrument is messed up, when playing throat Bb it sometimes doesn’t play properly because one of the holes is not staying closed. Very difficult to find the sweet spot for the adjustment screw. Guess I should take the instrument to a dealer for repair 😂
Flashback to high school omg.
Thanks 😊
I’ve used this model for about four years and the worst part by far is the register key. It gets stuck open, stuck closed when you first go to play, and a whole host of other problems.
I got mine yesterday! Love it!
Wow I keep watching these type of videos on your channel hoping one day my mom would buy my my own bass clarinet knowing that ive been playing for 4 years and I'm always asking for one. 😑😯
Ha! The Super Friends! Great job on the vid.
I played this instrument during marching season this year and we had a part where we had to jump to and from the higher notes with the register key and it was impossible to play which sucks but I was able to just play the low notes which didn't suck as bad
Well l just bought one, brand new in a sale! It was £1000 less than others selling at UK dealers. I was really worried cos it arrived in a Yamaha alto sax cardboard box and the proper case looked like and alto sax case. Not to worry it was the bass. Mr Lowenstein has me worried about the speaker key! Haven’t tried it yet as waiting for the reeds to arrive. The body is a mixture of ground African Blackwood and some kind of plastic. We pay a lot of purchase tax in the UK ....20% so the tax free price would have been £1100.
I’ve been playing my schools one of this model for a year (it’s at least 5 years old), and it continuously has problems with the octave key, screws coming undone, the rubber rings coming off.. and so many other problems.
Good video, but goddamn, my left ear was having all the fun when you got close to the camera.
Please, make a review on the YCL-622II low C bass clarinet!
We used that for marching band and for our lower concert bands
Hey I really enjoy your videos and I have a question, I am a freshman in high school I play clarinet and sax and I’m going to start bass clarinet. Do you have any recommendations on what brands are good for beginners? Thanks!
Hey! I’m also a freshman but I’ve played Bass Clarinet since 5th grade.. This Bass Clarinet is actually pretty good for beginners, and students. It’s fairly cheap, and it sounds pretty nice.. Hope that helped.. : )
Alec Rodriguez hey I appreciate your feedback that was definitely helpful especially from someone who is very experienced. I will make sure to look at the Yamahas. I really appreciate your feedback thanks a lot!
He's got quite a few reviews of instruments on his channel that would be useful.
Check with your school first to see what instruments they have that you might be able to borrow. Old Bundys and Vito instruments can fit the bill for a starter if they are in decent shape.
Yes, check all of the review videos of Michael on his chanel, they should be very useful. I have played on two bass clarinets since 10 years ago: an old low E-flat Selmer and a low C Buffet Prestige, and the color of the Selmer is something I had never heard from other instrument, dark and resonant, I loved it, and many professors and peers agree with me.
Please do a review of the Buffet 1180 Student Bass.
Why pay so much for a student model bass? With the the price it costs, you can just get a used professional model
I rented this model from my school. The pads (especially the register key one) need to be replaced but I can’t say anything or else I’d pay for it. It has been like that since I got it.
I probably played an older model Yamaha but I prefer the buffet 1180 student bass. I think the intonation on the buffet is better, high notes on the buffet sound cleaner because the register key mechanism is better, and my lesson teacher that the buffet 1180 is one of the best student models. Also the body is taken apart into two pieces instead of one like Yamaha.
I need to get a bass clarinet of my own. I guess this is good for my future.
I am not a fan of the case. I have had a few close calls where I thought I had the case shut and it was not. I almost dumped the instrument a couple of times. Just need to be careful with the latches. Not a bad horn.
My school uses these bass clarinets!
I have the same brand of bass clarinet from the school and goes down to low e flat
My school uses these Bass Clarinets for marching.
I have this bass, got it recently :)
What is the screw above the Yamaha logo for? I can't seem to find any info regarding that.
That is the bass clarinet my friend made it on for all state!
Same
You should review the new Dickerson Resonator Ligature for bass clarinet on Reverb & ebay - very neat
Michael, you sound lovely on both!
Could you recommend a used good bass clarinet that could be fitted with a c extension?
I am a clarinetist and saxophone player.
I need an instrument that will not “break my bank.
Best Wishes,
Richard
P.S. Your tutorial on reed balancing is great!
This Bass clarinet is the one we use at school !
Which do you think is better the Selmer 1430 or this one you reviewed? I am currently torn and don't know which one to buy. I really liked the case of the Yamaha but the Selmer you mentioned you can play right when you get it out so I don't know. Thoughts?
Really enjoy your videos and have my private students watch them. They especially like the Coltrane transcription one. What tuner was that? Tried to find it at the app store but only came up with the guitar version. Thanks
That's what i used to play!
this bass clarinet is the model that i play, since im still in school. the register key breaks all the time. seriously. like, the key will have trouble opening oooor of course, it'll open when you dont hit the f key with the register. it sucks sometimes but its better than the old bass clarinets that my school owns. luckily ive been playing the bass clarinet long enough i get a nice new one, unlike the other people who switch who have to play the nice and old basses.
I have a problem where I can't separate the two mid bodies (The oen with the thumbrest and the one above) even if i use cork grease. I have to get help to drag them apart. Any tips?
I'm pretty sure this is the model I have I'm not sure because I borrow my bass clarinet from our local High School I'm in middle school I love my bass clarinet but I only get it for one month in second semester every year and I really want to buy this model
had a friend play one in middle school, am playing one in HS
we didnt like it lol
there was always something off, the register key, for me it was that it was always way too sharp which would cause you to start leaking air near the tuning area due to the hole for adjusting the width
the keys are decent, the thumbrest could be placed a bit higher, it always seems too low even at the highest position
7/10
if you could keep it in good shape it'll serve you decently but due to the fact that school instruments are just the most abused and neglected, they suck when you put pressure on it
note: my friend who played this in middle school bought a kessler gen 2 low c and says its much better so if ur playing this for concerts and have the chance to go pick one i would say the kessler is better
So I'm in a high school band, and I am using a loaner instrument that is the exact model. I also have noticed the register key is very sticky and will only open after about .5 to 1 seconds after I press on the register key. I also have trouble going over the break. Could you give some tips and tricks on how to make it easier to play over the break?
How warned up were you before you tested the tuning? Wondering because the Yamaha basses are notorious for playing incredibly sharp once warmed up- to the point where the neck needs to be pulled all the way out. Great review as always though, many thanks
I’m odd I just stared borrowing the bass clarinet from my school for eighth grade and I’m allowed to march with it next year though 3/4 through the year and I’m already practicing tuba to (hopefully) March sousaphone in marching band next year my first year though at least I won’t be really short then I’ll probably reach 5,10 by then if not more considering I have a while and I’m already 5,8
hello. i plan on trying out bass clarinet. i am currently in the 6th grade (first year of band) and i play clarinet. i have a tenor saxophone and was planning to play it for 7th grade band. but bass clarinet also caught my attention. ive heard ppl say it doesnt really get any solo's or melodies which im sad about and do not like since i love playing solos and melodies. anyone got any advice on what to play or do?
I can’t see how you could purchase this when the Kessler Low C is out there... unless like Michael said you are in a marching band. Or because the Kessler is currently out of stock (Thanks Michael... :) )
Still patiently waiting for my opportunity to get the Kessler Low C. Tax refund coming soon... if the federal government allows it.
I had a professional Yamaha Low-C YCL622-ii back in the day. While it was awesome, I found it always was in the shop. I ended up selling it so I could have a down payment on my new house. Now that I’m playing again, I really miss the Low C. Two piece bodies are the way to go, though.
It's probably a better instrument for schools. For marching and/or size considerations. I also wonder how a tech would view the Kessler vs Yamaha, given genuine parts availability. Still, like you, given Michael's glowing review, I am waiting for the Kessler to be back in stock.
that screw driver head you used on the thumb rest was a little undersized, don't you think?
GRibas a quarter works perfectly and in a pinch as well, saved my hide during marching band.
Hope you do another review on Jupiter Bass Clarinet JBL1000. Both are very similar and like to find out which is better. Thank you.
For me, the highlight of this episode were the clips of Superfriends.
So I am in 7th grade and I am starting bass clarinet. What brand is the best? In 6th grade I played b flat clarinet. Thank you so much for your answer. Goodbye fellow clarinetists!
Casual 6 month clarinet player rookie asking a question: what’s the difference between Eb and Bb clarinets?
Xodiius Eb clarinets are shorter (for kids to be able to get the fingerings right) and basically outdated because nowadays there are even Bb clarinets that just have smaller gaps between the holes. The main difference is of course the tune. If you play a C on the Eb clarinet, the tone that comes out will be an Eb on a piano. For the Bb clarinet it is the same, but with Bb instead of Eb
Maxim W thanks
@@maximw9362 That is wrong! An Eb clarinet plays in the same key as an alto sax, and is generally hard for professional Bb clarinet players to learn. It is typically used in orchestras, along with Bb, Eb alto, Bb bass, and Bb contrabass. They are in no way outdated and are made by many famous manufacturers such as Selmer, Buffet, and others.
i play the same model in school. i rarely have the issue with the register key.