@@467076 Because the company gets to write off the total loss off their taxes. Financially, they're not taking a loss. Maybe one day when you become an adult you will learn about finances and taxes..... Walmart made over 300+billion in PROFIT last year, they lost 3 billion to theft. That is .01% of a their profit. In middle class finance terms, the lost a penny out of a dollar.
@@pureblood6492 There are only (X) amount of lines to board the ferry. The ferry can only hold (X) amount of weight.... it has zero to do with anyone losing their job. Not a single thing..... maybe you should stop tripping over shit that's 3 years behind you. Only a fool trips over what is behind them. Before I go, the people who lost their job were replaced...... Do you feel better now that you got to complain about something that doesn't exist anymore and hasn't for the last 2 years?
It wouldn’t escalate to violence if people knew the scumbags would get pulled out of line and sent to the back once reported ( WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN).
You can say the same thing about road rage when someone endangers your life driving like a moron. People do not respect others and think they are more important. I would love to see every line cutter banned from the fiery for a set time.
@@craigcorson3036 road rage is lead in the fuel dumbing down our brains, they said they took it out but did they? dr nikola tesla is rolling in his grave
@@dennisschultz9180 ...I remember a wee blurb on a tea tag...”Always drive as though your children are in the other cars”. I happened upon it long before I had children of my own but it has always struck me as very sound advice.
A 139 dollar fine is not a deterrent for too many people. The consequence has to be painful even to think about. Points against your driving record, barred from ferry travel for thirty days, immediate removal from access on the day of incident. Narcissistic people have no comprehension of "being fair."
@TheDilweed if the state legislates it as a driving infraction as they have done with other driving infractions it's game over. The next time you get a speeding ticket go ahead and sue. I double dog dare ya.
There shouldn't be point you dummy...cutting does not put people in danger, It's a slippery slope letting the government attach points for whatever they like. Stupid
@@mr.duanesharpe Imagine being the guy after the last person made it onto the ferry. For every line cutter, there is one victim who gets royally screwed.
@@stuwest3653 I get you and I’m not disagreeing. It doesn’t bother me is all. I get cut off and given the bird etc. all the time because I drive like an old man. Who cares. Plus they can’t kick someone off the ferry of reported. One way in, one way out. Y’all complain. You have my blessings but to me it’s a waste of energy.
I had that experience once, taking the ferry to Whidbey Island for the first time. There was no line, but there were signs telling drivers to stay out of the ferry lane. I didn’t see any point where I was supposed to enter the lane until, suddenly, it was full. There was no easy way to turn back to get to the end of the line. All in all, a confusing experience. When I came back, I drove to the north end where there is a bridge. Much easier.
From what little that was explained about the story… sounds like a lot of the cutting is accidental due to intertwining traffic. With that said, I’m sure many take advantage of these situations or just recklessly cut regardless. We have a few streets around here that people do the same… simply because the roads and lack of signage allow them to.
I'm from the Midwest, have ridden motorcycles for 46 years, and I'm pretty sure I'd be a bit confused with the signs. It can be tricky to watch out for traffic, and be able to read everything, at the same time. There's got to be a better way.
This honestly sounds like a miserable way to spend your life. Waiting in line for hours for a ferry ride and fighting with other drivers for every inch of real estate in order to proceed to said ferry. Hard Pass.
Yea it would never appeal to me to live on an Island and have to deal with all this mess and rely on state transportation or be stuck home or worse yet can't get home... No thanks.
Over in Kingston, if you get to the booth without a boarding pass issued by WSP at the start of the line, you are turned around and sent to the back of the line.
Road rage happens because of lack of enforcement. People are taking matters into their own hands seeing that nothing is being done against rule breakers.
We have a serious fireworks problem here; kids burning holes in the astro-turf field of the local school, shooting Roman candles onto the asphalt roof. When I called the police, not 911, they did nothing. I said "you're recording this right? So I'll just take care of this myself then". CLICK No one ever came even after I popped one of my neighbors.
I could care less about a fine for challenging a bully. The last time some Richard cranium tried that on me in the movie theater line he ended up on his butt. No offense ladies, you have an estrogen excuse. A fine is paid and then it's over with, humiliation and anger can last a lifetime.
No it happens because of over emotional idiots🙄, imagine getting killed yourself or going ro prison because you couldn't control your emotions over someone cutting in line
The rude don't even use blinkers, the easiest thing to do. Now guess what else they give a finger to? ANYTHING HARDER TO COPE WITH THAN USING A TURN SIGNAL!
I’ve lived in Seattle (24 years), Los Angeles (12 years), and Las Vegas (3 years). Washington state drivers are BY FAR the kindest, and most polite, (however many times too polite, leading to huge traffic backups, fears of merging on freeways, driving too slow in the fast lane), Los Angeles drivers have a “kill, or be killed”, and “you snooze, you lose” mentality, and Las Vegas drivers are just plain RUDE, drive way too fast, and don’t care if you live or die (basically the same with L.A.). I think A LOT of Southwest states people have MOVED to the Northwest, and they’re MIXING with the local drivers, changing the dynamic of driving, and COURTESY up there. Northwest locals better wise up, and get more ASSERTIVE when driving, the recent transplants from the Southwest will mop the floor with you. Sad, but true.……FACTS.
We keep blaming people from outside our communities and from other states for all the many crises going in in our country. In doing that, we are not looking deeper at the potential cause for the societal degradation we are ALL experiencing. I have no definitive answer, either. But un til we stop the "us vs them" mentality, we will never come out of this. Humanity is experiencing a MAJOR all-around crisis; its not a "state" thing.
@@sandrab2884 We will NEVER come out of this! Not in our lifetime (if ever). It’s a me, me, ME mentality now. Kids with their selfies, tic-Tok videos, etc. Society has lost all sense of decency. …….Remember when the Beatles having long bangs (and hair) was such a travesty?!?!?! Ahhhh, simpler days!! 😂😂🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️ ……..yeah, these times, and this country especially, is SCREWED!
This could easily be mitigated by adding Jersey barriers separating the lane for ferry from the other lane taking you into Edmonds. Otherwise you’ll always have a divide between people who complain about the car but don’t report it to anyone, and the “high and mighty” folks who think they have a right to bypass everyone else.
I’m confused...if the line to the ferry has intersections with lights controlling the flow of traffic, how are those with a green light “cutting the line”?
Not blocking intersections aside, it's about gas conservation. When the car in front of me pulls up and immediately stops, I'm not getting anywhere sooner no matter how quickly I close the gap. So I'll coast and wait to apply gas until the gap becomes a car length or more and is continuing to grow. It doesn't hold anyone up until people try to cut in
The people upset with the line cuts are getting mad and arrested and what about the line cutters causing the problems? How about getting rid of the root problem?
If you even do one road rage that should end your right to own a car and a License hot heads do not deserve a car if you cannot hold your temper you should not be behind the wheel
I once had a polite tap on the shoulder, "the line starts back there". I was so embarrassed and mumbled an apology to 100 people. Now if you try and tell someone their tire is flat you might get shot. You wait just like the rest of us.
Lol, for real. I tried to alert someone their front headlights were not on at night. They started cursing at me, gave me the finger, and pointed to the side of the road. Insanity...
If you report the line cutting incidents to terminal workers at pay booth they just give you a shoulder shrug and a "I still hate my job" face. If WSF cared about patron's safety they would hire security.
Why would a minimum wage earner care? It's like employees working at a store that don't do anything about shoplifting. It's not worth the hassle nor part of their job description.
wow. I live in BC. you cannot cut ferry lines at any of the ferries I take. There are plenty of employees watching and you have to use one lane if you are outside of terminal
Get a dash cam, first of all, this way you have video and can post it shame these people. Second, get a special number to call to report these clowns. Third, $139 is pennies to some of these people. Make it $1,390 or more for repeat offenders. Fourth, the offenders get immediately removed from line and sent back to the end of the line. If it's not busy, they get next ferry. Repeat offenders get steeper punishment added until they're banned. Line jumping isn't cool, but this is downright disrespectful. You're cutting the line could mean someone missing a loved one passing away, or something along those lines.
Everyone looks so stressed out. Why would people live like this?! No thanks! Good people can road rage in the right environment very quickly! I was that person in San Diego. i lived out there for 11 years. I will never see myself live in the rat race again! The stress is not worth it!
I would be in jail if somebody cut in front of me at the Ferry. These people think they are privileged. Only in their medical coverage are they special.
@chillwill5080 Cut in line and find out if your right. Since I only take the ferry once a year good luck cutting in front of me. I suggest you cut in front of as many people as possible to find out which ferry rider carries.
@chillwill5080 I didn't threaten to shoot you. I said that if you cut off enough people some will eventually be carrying a piece. Its like Russian Roulette. Eventually there is one in the chamber. I encourage you to keep being a douche and cutting in line because Eventually there will be one in the chamber.
Line cutters are just everywhere, road construction waiting to last second to merge... these people must never have dealt with line cutters in school pick up lines, lol. I MEAN line cutters even in lines waiting for Christmas light displays. I've seen people let it a car loaf of kids in store parking lot to block parking space close to front. Those people don't believe in rules and are always dangerous to deal with but are the worst of it happens to them.
It seams to me that the simple solution is just to add several license plate readers along the line and when you catch a cheater just add the fares of every car/truck that they cut to their fare and let those people ride free. If you want to pay $400 to $2000 dollars to cut people off, you could at least compensate them. :)
Take away their drivers license... ITS a privilege, NOT A RIGHT..... IF they get caught driving with no or a suspended license, minimum ONE year in jail OR prison, with NO reduction in sentence allowed... 2nd offense? 10 years prison... Lets put a stop to POOR drivers.. About 30% minimum of drivers on the road should ALL have bus passes and NEVER be allowed to drive in my opinion.....
I’ve let law enforcement know about problems for many years. They have not been patrolling for cutting because as they tell me, they are there for safety first- Homeland Security for transportation. Glad they are patrolling but cutting and rage are bad now because they have not been patrolling despite being told of cutting and rage. Someone pulled a pistol a couple of years ago in the line for the Fauntleroy terminal. Even that didn’t prompt patrols.
@@shootshellz I don’t support that but have to live with it. Line cutting has been an issue for many years (before defunding movement). A law was passed making line cutting illegal about 10 years ago.
@@shootshellz I guess you're "shell-shocked," because you don't seem to understand how "time" works. This line-cutting has been an issue for years--they have huge signs across the road at intersections, telling people NOT to do this. Also, Seattle abandoned any consideration of "defunding the police" in September of 2022. Try to learn some facts, Shelly.
@@kenc2257 Consideration? They did defund the police. Why don't you familiarize yourself with the projected Seattle police budget for 2021 and what it actually was. Same thing with 2022 and what it actually was. The projected budgets were made at the end of the last decade.
How about staffing the ferries properly and providing enough boats to adequately service this system. Highest gas tax in the nation, and we're operating outdated boats and not enough crew to operate what we have. I can see why people are losing patience
Faulting the road rage because of line cutting is like firing the one employee who is trying to stop shop lifting. Why not focus on the cause of the problem and not the result of it ?
There is no "due process" in their new process. I can easily see people gaming the new rules by reporting non-offenders and sending them to the back of the line.
Not just the ferry, the whole downtown Seattle have a bunch of cars cutting to the lane with traffic last minute. They do this to avoid the line to get into the highway
I don't have to worry about that. I print out my ticket at home, and ride my motorcycle right up onto the dock. Many Washington State ferries have priority boarding for motorcycles as they want to load you first.
About 5 years ago, LEOs referred people to a 1-800-HERO phone number to report cutters. The problem is a letter was sent to the registered owner which isn’t necessarily the driver committing the violation. After a few letters, supposedly an LEO visited the home of the repeat offender. If they aren’t home, it’s a waste. If they were home, they don’t have to open the door. Lazy enforcement.
If they were smart, they'd enact an "Owner's Liability" aspect to that law. Upon a report of the violation (including a license number), the owner of the vehicle can be cited (by mail) and prosecuted without having to know who was driving. The owner can only get out of it if they provide the identity of the driver and there is enough evidence to prove that this person was driving... or if the car was reported stolen prior to the violation. My state has this for a handful of violations, including Fleeing, Hit & Run, & Loud Car Stereo.
Sounds like the size of the queue is enough to cost-justify at least 1 more ferry. Are they saying, with all that demand, they can't cost justify more? Are they in the ferrying business or in the make-more-money business? Is this a class run by W C Fields and Mike Todd?
As kids we were taught, maybe years ago, to get in line and wait your turn…hurry up and wait…so now someone is wrong for standing up for their respectfulness and obedience. LEOs should give the person standing up for themselves a medal and punish the cheaters. One person here said $1000 fine and 90-day loss of ferry use. That should be a minimum start point.
Just put up concrete lane dividers and once they’re entered into a lane they are forced to stay in that lane. Deny anyone who has expressed any signs of road rage including verbal from riding the ferry for 1 full year.
Maybe if we had new boats enough people and parking garages on each side of the ferry terminals it would be a effective way too travel but until then i drive around
Is no different then road construction here, signs posted half a mile in advance to merge into one lane or the other and yet a-holes race ahead to the exact spot where two turns to one and expect to get in line; people are just rude, selfish, and lacking morals on the highways today.
Sadly, there is some logic and purpose to having drivers drive all the way up to the merge. I don't do it, and I look at it as people trying to get ahead of everyone else, BUT... it DOES avoid the line of cars extending even further back by allowing excess cars to fill in that lane that ends, thereby minimizing the area/line of potential backups, accidents, road rage, etc. Plus, it's often actually SUGGESTED, as they often put lighted signs up encouraging the "zipper merge" all the way up at the merge. "When a vehicle slows down to merge early in heavy traffic situations, it puts all drivers in danger, slowing traffic down too quickly, leading to unexpected crashes or angry motorists. These dangers are decreased using the zipper merge. Traffic backups can be reduced as much as 40%." ijs
Zipper mege is the law in Washington. If you are merging early you are in the wrong and you are causing additional traffic. Traffic engineers have modelled both methods and found zipper merging to be more efficient, you are not smarter than them.
Perfect example of Seattle not fixing the problem. So we've been short on ferry personnel and ferrys for over 2 years the fairies that we do still have our from the 1960s... Seattle has made record amount of income the past couple years... Yeah we the taxpaying people get nothing but higher taxes more traffic and hours long commutes .
A gate, and few cameras would take care of the problem. Camera 1 is at the initial car feed area watching for line cutters, the gate is before the check in (or whatever it is) to the ferry. Line cutter seen by camera 1 is fed to camera 2 at the gate. Gate opens to divert line cutter to a holding area where a ticket is issued and driver is looped back to the end of the queue. The non-cutter line proceeds forward as if nothing ever happened to all the normally queued up cars. Simple. Same procedure used for filling pop bottles. If one is noticed to be short on fluid, the line doesn't stop but the bottle is diverted.
A spokesman for the Oklahoma Highway Patrol went on TV and told people to cut in line when lanes narrow from 3 lanes to 2 or 2 lanes to 1 lane. I'll pull over in the lane narrowing and won't let them pass, they get pissed so what.
Sounds like they don't have enough line-cutter law enforcement. They might think about putting rookie officers on bicycles or scooters, and have them zip up and down the ferry line, looking for offenders.
I told you guys this about three months ago: "Just wait till the summer months!" And there you have it; and it's not just in Washington, it' just about everywhere. Sad!
'Queue jumping' we call it, but the simple solution is for the County/State to make sure that there's no opportunity for this to happen,put lane barriers in place, a solid object to block them...
It’s not physically possible - the ferry lines are parallel to regularly traveled roads. Each time there’s an intersection, there would be a break in the barrier.
I’m always surprised by the lack of line cutting in WA state. People are SO polite, too much actually. It’s so easy to take advantage of people’s politeness. Time to be assertive Washington!
I had found the drivers in Washington state to be particularly courteous and respectful of the idea of fair. I can understand their frustration with people not respecting their rights. Which is a sign that an immediate crackdown on line cutters is necessary to restore public confidence in the system. I am certain that if an ambulance was carrying someone to hospital that everyone would make space without hesitation. But for someone who is merely self entitled why should anyone give them anything at all.
That's crazy. I live on the largest island in the continental United States (Long Island) and we only have two ferries-both to Connecticut. Thanks for the info/answer.
NOPE! State law prohibits traffic cameras taking a photo of the driver's face. Only license plates. Thus the defense: 'I was not driving at the time; it was my Uncle Fred from Las Vegas'. Back to the drawing board for you.
Why not simply increase the ferry service frequency? It seems like the demand is present to justify the cost. Better still, increase the cost for cars and lower the price for walk-on riders to encourage people to take the ferry by foot.
Since it’s a known problem at that intersection (and it was even 25 years ago when I lived there) why not have a cop stationed there all the time writing tickets? Raise the fines, add more consequences. As stated, it’s an enforcement issue as are many of the traffic issues that Washington now has. Cause and effect.
Arrest these line cutters, impound their cars and give them a couple of weekends of community service. A MUCH stronger message than a piddly $130 fine needs to be sent. .
Put line cutters vehicles at the very back of the ferry and roll them into the water. That will help ensure no repeaters. These fluffy fines are doing nothing.
In order for that fine to stick in the courtroom.... The witness has to come to court and testify..... Highly unlikely that ever happens...... Good luck
Interesting. There is no law against line-cutting. There should be. However, I had the same situation happen to me, someone tried to cut into line in front of me. I just didn't let him. He even tried it twice. Both times I cut him off, even gave him the horn. You have vehicular rights! You have the right to stand in line and not be interfered with!
There’s a flaw here for cheaters to exploit: as you approach the booth you could tell them anyone cut in line (wether they did or not) and if they move them to the back of the line without any evidence…..🤷🏼♂️
I would not act out anger, but believe me I understand it. I see this sort of driving behavior all the time, and it happens most often when some "good driver" leaves an unnecessary amount of space in front of them.
If the fine was$1000.00, and/or 90-day suspension from riding the ferry it would go a long way toward stopping line cutters.
They won’t even arrest shoplifters, so no 😂
You could probably add another ferry pretty quick lol
or better yet if they did not fire all the unvaccinated employees their would be more ferries going and the lines would be much shorter.
@@467076 Because the company gets to write off the total loss off their taxes. Financially, they're not taking a loss. Maybe one day when you become an adult you will learn about finances and taxes..... Walmart made over 300+billion in PROFIT last year, they lost 3 billion to theft. That is .01% of a their profit. In middle class finance terms, the lost a penny out of a dollar.
@@pureblood6492 There are only (X) amount of lines to board the ferry. The ferry can only hold (X) amount of weight.... it has zero to do with anyone losing their job. Not a single thing..... maybe you should stop tripping over shit that's 3 years behind you. Only a fool trips over what is behind them. Before I go, the people who lost their job were replaced...... Do you feel better now that you got to complain about something that doesn't exist anymore and hasn't for the last 2 years?
It wouldn’t escalate to violence if people knew the scumbags would get pulled out of line and sent to the back once reported ( WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN).
Screw the back of the line, they should be held back until the next ferry, _then_ be put in the back of _that_ line.
But it doesn't happen. Therefore use violence. And remember, a dead man can't defend himself in court.
That's not road rage, that is a justifiable, righteous rage!
You can say the same thing about road rage when someone endangers your life driving like a moron. People do not respect others and think they are more important. I would love to see every line cutter banned from the fiery for a set time.
On the ROAD. See how that works?
@@craigcorson3036 People who are geniuses in their own mind usually do not get things on the first try... See how That works?
@@craigcorson3036 road rage is lead in the fuel dumbing down our brains, they said they took it out but did they? dr nikola tesla is rolling in his grave
@@dennisschultz9180 ...I remember a wee blurb on a tea tag...”Always drive as though your children are in the other cars”.
I happened upon it long before I had children of my own but it has always struck me as very sound advice.
A 139 dollar fine is not a deterrent for too many people. The consequence has to be painful even to think about. Points against your driving record, barred from ferry travel for thirty days, immediate removal from access on the day of incident. Narcissistic people have no comprehension of "being fair."
Right? I'm sure they could sell Priority Ferry Boarding for $139 per car.
Automatic jail time for endangerment.
@TheDilweed if the state legislates it as a driving infraction as they have done with other driving infractions it's game over. The next time you get a speeding ticket go ahead and sue. I double dog dare ya.
Fines are just permission slips for the rich
There shouldn't be point you dummy...cutting does not put people in danger, It's a slippery slope letting the government attach points for whatever they like. Stupid
Line cutters should be kicked off the ferry. Simple. 😊
One person. I’m okay with that. A few. No.
@@mr.duanesharpe Unless YOU are cut off. Then your attitude would be 'kick ALL the line cutters off the ferry'. What a dolt.
@@mr.duanesharpe Imagine being the guy after the last person made it onto the ferry. For every line cutter, there is one victim who gets royally screwed.
@@mr.duanesharpeNope! All of them! End of story!
@@stuwest3653 I get you and I’m not disagreeing. It doesn’t bother me is all. I get cut off and given the bird etc. all the time because I drive like an old man. Who cares. Plus they can’t kick someone off the ferry of reported. One way in, one way out. Y’all complain. You have my blessings but to me it’s a waste of energy.
The signs for the ferry are almost obsolete. Many first timers really don't understand the process. And of course some people are just rude.
What is so difficult to understand about CUTTING IN LINE? How old are you, twelve?
I had that experience once, taking the ferry to Whidbey Island for the first time. There was no line, but there were signs telling drivers to stay out of the ferry lane. I didn’t see any point where I was supposed to enter the lane until, suddenly, it was full. There was no easy way to turn back to get to the end of the line. All in all, a confusing experience. When I came back, I drove to the north end where there is a bridge. Much easier.
From what little that was explained about the story… sounds like a lot of the cutting is accidental due to intertwining traffic.
With that said, I’m sure many take advantage of these situations or just recklessly cut regardless. We have a few streets around here that people do the same… simply because the roads and lack of signage allow them to.
That is likely true to a significant number of those "cutting". To they have a duck sticker ?
I'm from the Midwest, have ridden motorcycles for 46 years, and I'm pretty sure I'd be a bit confused with the signs. It can be tricky to watch out for traffic, and be able to read everything, at the same time. There's got to be a better way.
This honestly sounds like a miserable way to spend your life. Waiting in line for hours for a ferry ride and fighting with other drivers for every inch of real estate in order to proceed to said ferry. Hard Pass.
The state wants it that way! That's why we don't have more ferry's.
……and it’s the Northwest, MISERABLE weather almost every day!!! 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
If you have work across the ferry you have to take it.
I was nice back in the 90's and 00's. I would not do it now. Too many people from "California".
Yea it would never appeal to me to live on an Island and have to deal with all this mess and rely on state transportation or be stuck home or worse yet can't get home... No thanks.
Over in Kingston, if you get to the booth without a boarding pass issued by WSP at the start of the line, you are turned around and sent to the back of the line.
😂😂😂
You get fined for cutting line, but if you run into a store, grab all you can carry, and run out without paying, nothing happens.
Apples and oranges and all that.
Lmao yep
@@justrandomthings319 Revenue for the state vs revenue for private businesses and all that.
They should get arrested for both! It ain't hard to do! Seems corrupt trash democrats can't walk and chew gum though!🤦🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️👌🏿🫨👋🏿
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Road rage happens because of lack of enforcement. People are taking matters into their own hands seeing that nothing is being done against rule breakers.
We have a serious fireworks problem here; kids burning holes in the astro-turf field of the local school, shooting Roman candles onto the asphalt roof. When I called the police, not 911, they did nothing. I said "you're recording this right? So I'll just take care of this myself then". CLICK No one ever came even after I popped one of my neighbors.
I could care less about a fine for challenging a bully.
The last time some Richard cranium tried that on me in the movie theater line he ended up on his butt.
No offense ladies, you have an estrogen excuse.
A fine is paid and then it's over with, humiliation and anger can last a lifetime.
its traffic not theft and violence doofus
No it happens because of over emotional idiots🙄, imagine getting killed yourself or going ro prison because you couldn't control your emotions over someone cutting in line
That’s why we have guns😡
We are in scary times now. Across the country you can see it by how people behave on the road. Extremely aggressive and impatient.
Welcome to Bidens America.
The rude don't even use blinkers, the easiest thing to do. Now guess what else they give a finger to? ANYTHING HARDER TO COPE WITH THAN USING A TURN SIGNAL!
@@whdbnrm3023Nazi lover
@@whdbnrm3023Survivalist with a swear worded T-shirt.
@@whdbnrm3023Ah Ha! A line cutter that's a Drumpf University Scholar using the Neener neener nanner nanner offensive defense! Bless yer heart.
I’ve lived in Seattle (24 years), Los Angeles (12 years), and Las Vegas (3 years). Washington state drivers are BY FAR the kindest, and most polite, (however many times too polite, leading to huge traffic backups, fears of merging on freeways, driving too slow in the fast lane), Los Angeles drivers have a “kill, or be killed”, and “you snooze, you lose” mentality, and Las Vegas drivers are just plain RUDE, drive way too fast, and don’t care if you live or die (basically the same with L.A.). I think A LOT of Southwest states people have MOVED to the Northwest, and they’re MIXING with the local drivers, changing the dynamic of driving, and COURTESY up there. Northwest locals better wise up, and get more ASSERTIVE when driving, the recent transplants from the Southwest will mop the floor with you. Sad, but true.……FACTS.
Agree. Things have changed for the worst as transplants arrive.
Wash drivers can’t drive for shyt
We keep blaming people from outside our communities and from other states for all the many crises going in in our country. In doing that, we are not looking deeper at the potential cause for the societal degradation we are ALL experiencing. I have no definitive answer, either. But un til we stop the "us vs them" mentality, we will never come out of this. Humanity is experiencing a MAJOR all-around crisis; its not a "state" thing.
@@sandrab2884 We will NEVER come out of this! Not in our lifetime (if ever). It’s a me, me, ME mentality now. Kids with their selfies, tic-Tok videos, etc. Society has lost all sense of decency. …….Remember when the Beatles having long bangs (and hair) was such a travesty?!?!?! Ahhhh, simpler days!! 😂😂🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️ ……..yeah, these times, and this country especially, is SCREWED!
@@eddieg6436 I can't give up hope, Eddie. I just can't.
Long Island ferry, you have to purchase a ticket online before you arrive, so no line cutting is necessary
There’s not a line of cars waiting to get on the ferry? The lines here can be several hours long, even though ferries run every 30 minutes.
This could easily be mitigated by adding Jersey barriers separating the lane for ferry from the other lane taking you into Edmonds. Otherwise you’ll always have a divide between people who complain about the car but don’t report it to anyone, and the “high and mighty” folks who think they have a right to bypass everyone else.
but what if they are speshul.
Just kidding, I agree with you.
Says the person that probably has never visited Western Washington state.
Yeah; Coming from ferries on the east coast, this makes no sense...Should have stopped it years ago...
That sounds like the right fix
@@christhebrickman3796 Making everyone wanting to get around in downtown Edmonds do a couple miles of detour to get around the ferry queue?
I never understand why people will actually let themselves get cut off in lines like that I’m always glued to the person in front of me
Not paying attention too much phone...
There's a traffic light to allow cross traffic. When the ferry line has a red light, folks on can slip in.
There are crossing intersections...you can't block the intersection, so there will be space between vehicles there...
I’m confused...if the line to the ferry has intersections with lights controlling the flow of traffic, how are those with a green light “cutting the line”?
Not blocking intersections aside, it's about gas conservation. When the car in front of me pulls up and immediately stops, I'm not getting anywhere sooner no matter how quickly I close the gap. So I'll coast and wait to apply gas until the gap becomes a car length or more and is continuing to grow. It doesn't hold anyone up until people try to cut in
I reported a line cutter to one of the booth people. They nodded and did NOTHING...
The people upset with the line cuts are getting mad and arrested and what about the line cutters causing the problems? How about getting rid of the root problem?
If you even do one road rage that should end your right to own a car and a License hot heads do not deserve a car if you cannot hold your temper you should not be behind the wheel
I once had a polite tap on the shoulder, "the line starts back there". I was so embarrassed and mumbled an apology to 100 people. Now if you try and tell someone their tire is flat you might get shot. You wait just like the rest of us.
Lol, for real. I tried to alert someone their front headlights were not on at night. They started cursing at me, gave me the finger, and pointed to the side of the road. Insanity...
If you report the line cutting incidents to terminal workers at pay booth they just give you a shoulder shrug and a "I still hate my job" face. If WSF cared about patron's safety they would hire security.
Why would a minimum wage earner care? It's like employees working at a store that don't do anything about shoplifting. It's not worth the hassle nor part of their job description.
@@grocerylist Minimum wage? The low end of their salary is 70k a year. It's a state job with a state pension PERS2 or PERS3 .
Another good reason for a dash cam. Provide not only the info about the cutter, but also visual evidence.
wow. I live in BC. you cannot cut ferry lines at any of the ferries I take. There are plenty of employees watching and you have to use one lane if you are outside of terminal
In know! They are ferry Nazis.
Oh please, Canada doesn’t even have free speech.
Exactly, I have never seen that and I have taken the ferries a lot, but it is almost like you are assigned a place to park so it is very organized.
@@jonnyfendi2003 Jealous?
@@minimaxmiaandme.4971 of not having freedom??? Get a clue. Your prime minister is a joke.
in texas they blame mexicans. in washington we blame californians.
Can’t believe people are so rude to cut others. My kid’s high school always had parents do that for drop off. No manners at all.
So glad I moved away from that area. Who waits in line for hours to get on a ferry?
People that live on an island.
Other ferries? 🤣
No one wants to wait in any line for hours. I doubt if an "hours-long" wait is a daily occurrence--probably during holidays or special occasions.
@@kenc2257 Nope, pretty much every day, morning and night.
In Dallas today, it was obvious that many of the drivers thought they were still in Calcutta
Get a dash cam, first of all, this way you have video and can post it shame these people.
Second, get a special number to call to report these clowns.
Third, $139 is pennies to some of these people. Make it $1,390 or more for repeat offenders.
Fourth, the offenders get immediately removed from line and sent back to the end of the line. If it's not busy, they get next ferry. Repeat offenders get steeper punishment added until they're banned.
Line jumping isn't cool, but this is downright disrespectful. You're cutting the line could mean someone missing a loved one passing away, or something along those lines.
Fine should be at least $300.
Everyone looks so stressed out. Why would people live like this?! No thanks! Good people can road rage in the right environment very quickly! I was that person in San Diego. i lived out there for 11 years. I will never see myself live in the rat race again! The stress is not worth it!
@@zehcnaSyenoH I don’t wanna be anywhere near Seattle!! It has tons of problems!!
I would be in jail if somebody cut in front of me at the Ferry. These people think they are privileged. Only in their medical coverage are they special.
@@Look_What_You_Did I'm a 53 year old grown man who ownes a home and been married for 22 years.
Ir were you talking about yourself?
@@Look_What_You_Did I've sat in the ferry line fir 3 hours before and if some self entitled jerk cuts in front of my it IS ON.
@chillwill5080 Cut in line and find out if your right. Since I only take the ferry once a year good luck cutting in front of me. I suggest you cut in front of as many people as possible to find out which ferry rider carries.
@chillwill5080 I didn't threaten to shoot you. I said that if you cut off enough people some will eventually be carrying a piece.
Its like Russian Roulette. Eventually there is one in the chamber. I encourage you to keep being a douche and cutting in line because Eventually there will be one in the chamber.
Sid the road ragger. The lady police officer wearing the funny hat wants to read you your Miranda Rights...
2500.00 fine for line cutting would stop the problem.
bad cops not removing the actual bad person. They cause the road rage! You cut inline you should be severly punished!
Line cutters are just everywhere, road construction waiting to last second to merge... these people must never have dealt with line cutters in school pick up lines, lol. I MEAN line cutters even in lines waiting for Christmas light displays. I've seen people let it a car loaf of kids in store parking lot to block parking space close to front. Those people don't believe in rules and are always dangerous to deal with but are the worst of it happens to them.
It seams to me that the simple solution is just to add several license plate readers along the line and when you catch a cheater just add the fares of every car/truck that they cut to their fare and let those people ride free. If you want to pay $400 to $2000 dollars to cut people off, you could at least compensate them. :)
Great idea! And when the line cutter gets to the booth, the $139 fine gets added to their fare!
Take away their drivers license... ITS a privilege, NOT A RIGHT..... IF they get caught driving with no or a suspended license, minimum ONE year in jail OR prison, with NO reduction in sentence allowed... 2nd offense? 10 years prison... Lets put a stop to POOR drivers..
About 30% minimum of drivers on the road should ALL have bus passes and NEVER be allowed to drive in my opinion.....
This is everywhere
I’ve let law enforcement know about problems for many years. They have not been patrolling for cutting because as they tell me, they are there for safety first- Homeland Security for transportation. Glad they are patrolling but cutting and rage are bad now because they have not been patrolling despite being told of cutting and rage. Someone pulled a pistol a couple of years ago in the line for the Fauntleroy terminal. Even that didn’t prompt patrols.
That is what you get when you defund the police. Learn to live with it.
@@shootshellz I don’t support that but have to live with it. Line cutting has been an issue for many years (before defunding movement). A law was passed making line cutting illegal about 10 years ago.
@@shootshellzWhen was the State Patrol "defunded"??
@@shootshellz I guess you're "shell-shocked," because you don't seem to understand how "time" works. This line-cutting has been an issue for years--they have huge signs across the road at intersections, telling people NOT to do this. Also, Seattle abandoned any consideration of "defunding the police" in September of 2022. Try to learn some facts, Shelly.
@@kenc2257 Consideration? They did defund the police. Why don't you familiarize yourself with the projected Seattle police budget for 2021 and what it actually was. Same thing with 2022 and what it actually was.
The projected budgets were made at the end of the last decade.
It’s bad at the Fauntleroy terminal in West Seattle too.
They would bust the innocent driver who speaks up instead of the cutter. That’s Seattle
How about staffing the ferries properly and providing enough boats to adequately service this system. Highest gas tax in the nation, and we're operating outdated boats and not enough crew to operate what we have. I can see why people are losing patience
What is the RCW code for cutting in line.?
Wait your turn jeez
Faulting the road rage because of line cutting is like firing the one employee who is trying to stop shop lifting. Why not focus on the cause of the problem and not the result of it ?
maybe ADD A FEW MORE FERRIES???
There is no "due process" in their new process. I can easily see people gaming the new rules by reporting non-offenders and sending them to the back of the line.
That's because there are so many self entitled people in this state. It's disgusting. The entitlement in this state is mind blowing.
"Because of the way thing's are these days, no one will say anything" Sad, sad, sad.😢
Not just the ferry, the whole downtown Seattle have a bunch of cars cutting to the lane with traffic last minute. They do this to avoid the line to get into the highway
If possible, add a couple more ferry boats.
Oops, my foot slipped off the brake.
Do you have commitment lines on traffic lanes? If you bust a solid white line it is 3 point improper lane use. Hello Mr. Insurance agent.
I don't have to worry about that. I print out my ticket at home, and ride my motorcycle right up onto the dock. Many Washington State ferries have priority boarding for motorcycles as they want to load you first.
About 5 years ago, LEOs referred people to a 1-800-HERO phone number to report cutters. The problem is a letter was sent to the registered owner which isn’t necessarily the driver committing the violation. After a few letters, supposedly an LEO visited the home of the repeat offender. If they aren’t home, it’s a waste. If they were home, they don’t have to open the door. Lazy enforcement.
If they were smart, they'd enact an "Owner's Liability" aspect to that law. Upon a report of the violation (including a license number), the owner of the vehicle can be cited (by mail) and prosecuted without having to know who was driving. The owner can only get out of it if they provide the identity of the driver and there is enough evidence to prove that this person was driving... or if the car was reported stolen prior to the violation. My state has this for a handful of violations, including Fleeing, Hit & Run, & Loud Car Stereo.
@@popcorn5130 You lost Washington state government when you used the word 'smart'.
'Lazy enforcement'? By whom? You DO realize the 800 number is considered HERESAY, correct?
@@shootshellz then why have it if it’s not addressing the problem? Another example of lazy enforcing/government policies.
@@shootshellz I agree. WA government hasn’t been smart for decades. It’s just becoming extremely obvious lately.
Why not spend the money on more ferries instead of line enforcement and avoid the issue? What’s the bottleneck?
How dare you suggest a common sense solution. What are you? A capitalist? ;)
@@zombieshoot4318 just makes more sense to spend money on solving problems instead of making everyone deal with the problem “fairly” lol
Sounds like the size of the queue is enough to cost-justify at least 1 more ferry. Are they saying, with all that demand, they can't cost justify more? Are they in the ferrying business or in the make-more-money business? Is this a class run by W C Fields and Mike Todd?
Try that on a ferry in BC, Canada and you will be denied access to the ferry by staff and forced to the back of the line.
As kids we were taught, maybe years ago, to get in line and wait your turn…hurry up and wait…so now someone is wrong for standing up for their respectfulness and obedience.
LEOs should give the person standing up for themselves a medal and punish the cheaters.
One person here said $1000 fine and 90-day loss of ferry use. That should be a minimum start point.
Just put up concrete lane dividers and once they’re entered into a lane they are forced to stay in that lane. Deny anyone who has expressed any signs of road rage including verbal from riding the ferry for 1 full year.
It’s taken Edmonds - Lynnwood 4 years just to repair a main road, so…
You know, if you just crack down years ago you wouldn't have a problem with road rage would you?
Triple the fine.
Maybe if we had new boats enough people and parking garages on each side of the ferry terminals it would be a effective way too travel but until then i drive around
Is no different then road construction here, signs posted half a mile in advance to merge into one lane or the other and yet a-holes race ahead to the exact spot where two turns to one and expect to get in line; people are just rude, selfish, and lacking morals on the highways today.
Sadly, there is some logic and purpose to having drivers drive all the way up to the merge. I don't do it, and I look at it as people trying to get ahead of everyone else, BUT... it DOES avoid the line of cars extending even further back by allowing excess cars to fill in that lane that ends, thereby minimizing the area/line of potential backups, accidents, road rage, etc. Plus, it's often actually SUGGESTED, as they often put lighted signs up encouraging the "zipper merge" all the way up at the merge.
"When a vehicle slows down to merge early in heavy traffic situations, it puts all drivers in danger, slowing traffic down too quickly, leading to unexpected crashes or angry motorists. These dangers are decreased using the zipper merge. Traffic backups can be reduced as much as 40%."
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Zipper merging is the better way. It uses all of the road efficiently and helps prevent traffic jams.
Zipper mege is the law in Washington. If you are merging early you are in the wrong and you are causing additional traffic. Traffic engineers have modelled both methods and found zipper merging to be more efficient, you are not smarter than them.
This is when a good trucker is in line, they move over some and prevent that. It's Awesome of you ever to get watch 1.
Perfect example of Seattle not fixing the problem. So we've been short on ferry personnel and ferrys for over 2 years the fairies that we do still have our from the 1960s... Seattle has made record amount of income the past couple years... Yeah we the taxpaying people get nothing but higher taxes more traffic and hours long commutes .
A gate, and few cameras would take care of the problem.
Camera 1 is at the initial car feed area watching for line cutters, the gate is before the check in (or whatever it is) to the ferry.
Line cutter seen by camera 1 is fed to camera 2 at the gate. Gate opens to divert line cutter to a holding area where a ticket is issued and driver is looped back to the end of the queue.
The non-cutter line proceeds forward as if nothing ever happened to all the normally queued up cars.
Simple. Same procedure used for filling pop bottles. If one is noticed to be short on fluid, the line doesn't stop but the bottle is diverted.
A spokesman for the Oklahoma Highway Patrol went on TV and told people to cut in line when lanes narrow from 3 lanes to 2 or 2 lanes to 1 lane. I'll pull over in the lane narrowing and won't let them pass, they get pissed so what.
The ones cutting in, should be the ones getting arrested
Maybe they should arrest the line-cutters and solve the problem before it gets violent.
@@Look_What_You_Did yeah. I did. What I say, stands.
Sounds like they don't have enough line-cutter law enforcement. They might think about putting rookie officers on bicycles or scooters, and have them zip up and down the ferry line, looking for offenders.
I told you guys this about three months ago: "Just wait till the summer months!" And there you have it; and it's not just in Washington, it' just about everywhere. Sad!
'Queue jumping' we call it, but the simple solution is for the County/State to make sure that there's no opportunity for this to happen,put lane barriers in place, a solid object to block them...
It’s not physically possible - the ferry lines are parallel to regularly traveled roads. Each time there’s an intersection, there would be a break in the barrier.
I’m always surprised by the lack of line cutting in WA state. People are SO polite, too much actually. It’s so easy to take advantage of people’s politeness. Time to be assertive Washington!
rich people slugging rich people getting on the ferry. I'll join that UA-cam channel!!!
I had found the drivers in Washington state to be particularly courteous and respectful of the idea of fair.
I can understand their frustration with people not respecting their rights. Which is a sign that an immediate crackdown on line cutters is necessary to restore public confidence in the system. I am certain that if an ambulance was carrying someone to hospital that everyone would make space without hesitation. But for someone who is merely self entitled why should anyone give them anything at all.
Does this affect people with reservations? Honest question, just wondering.
NO reservations here for most ferries. Only for Port Angeles, Friday Harbor & Keystone?
Where does the ferry go to/from?
Edmonds/Kingston. There are about 10+/- different ferry routes in Washington.
That's crazy. I live on the largest island in the continental United States (Long Island) and we only have two ferries-both to Connecticut. Thanks for the info/answer.
0:22 / " Starting Tomorrow " , it's always tomorrow and tomorrow may never come ,,,
"hours" said breathlessly.
Install camera in the line and spend home a $500 for line cutting.
Where is the peace and love Seattle? Thought the educated hippies had it all figured out.
Probably the trump loving hicks on the peninsula lol
Eff you Donnie. Like your city doesn't have douche' bags also.
Only in their own minds
If you're still saying hippies, you're pass 75
@@dogsense3773 'Pass 75'?
Arrest the line cutters and toss them in jail. Simple concept.
Ridiculous. You’d throw people in jail for calling you names too
@@Liamnissan22222 Nope. Go back to fantasy land. Clown.
@@Liamnissan22222 Unless YOU are cut off. Then you would demand jail time for line cutters. Hypocritical putz.
@lazynow1 👍🏻💯
@lazynow1 What about just arresting all Republicans...
Cameras and AI and signs about automatic ticketing would solve this problem.
NOPE! State law prohibits traffic cameras taking a photo of the driver's face. Only license plates. Thus the defense: 'I was not driving at the time; it was my Uncle Fred from Las Vegas'. Back to the drawing board for you.
Why not simply increase the ferry service frequency? It seems like the demand is present to justify the cost. Better still, increase the cost for cars and lower the price for walk-on riders to encourage people to take the ferry by foot.
this needs to be a law everywhere not just at this location. Get some of these people who dont understand yield signs on highway entrances and exits.
Since it’s a known problem at that intersection (and it was even 25 years ago when I lived there) why not have a cop stationed there all the time writing tickets? Raise the fines, add more consequences. As stated, it’s an enforcement issue as are many of the traffic issues that Washington now has. Cause and effect.
So are these people for Bridges or against Bridges
It’s not ‘cutting in line’ it’s a ‘zipper merge.’
Just arrest all the BMW drivers.
At this point the ferry system is so unreliable no one uses it unless you have to or have super flexible hours and can be three hours late.
I guess that explains the long lines.
Arrest these line cutters, impound their cars and give them a couple of weekends of community service. A MUCH stronger message than a piddly $130 fine needs to be sent.
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Pipe dream. This is WASHINGTON, remember.
@@shootshellz…Yup!
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Put line cutters vehicles at the very back of the ferry and roll them into the water. That will help ensure no repeaters. These fluffy fines are doing nothing.
In order for that fine to stick in the courtroom.... The witness has to come to court and testify..... Highly unlikely that ever happens......
Good luck
Interesting. There is no law against line-cutting. There should be. However, I had the same situation happen to me, someone tried to cut into line in front of me. I just didn't let him. He even tried it twice. Both times I cut him off, even gave him the horn. You have vehicular rights! You have the right to stand in line and not be interfered with!
I say screw the fines. Cut the line, you don't ride the ferry today. Go around whatever body of water it crosses.
Make it thousand dollar fine!
That gas tax meter goes Cha-Ching in those long stop and wait lines.
Clearly they need to add “no butts, no cuts, no coconuts” to their local enforcement codes.
Let em fight it out, whoever loses goes to jail
Typical behavior of people who live in Washington, and 80% of those who live here are FROM CALIFORNIA!!!
There’s a flaw here for cheaters to exploit: as you approach the booth you could tell them anyone cut in line (wether they did or not) and if they move them to the back of the line without any evidence…..🤷🏼♂️
I would not act out anger, but believe me I understand it. I see this sort of driving behavior all the time, and it happens most often when some "good driver" leaves an unnecessary amount of space in front of them.
Ya, need to be tight on the wheel in front like racing the team pursuant on the track
"leaves an unnecessary amount of space ", like space for intersections
Not a good driver, a safe driver...the rule is that you should be able to see the back wheels of the car ahead of you...
Give it a rest people. Life is too short to get angry.
Put up cameras so we can all watch.