Vui- vui- VUIJEN Dank für diese ausgezeichnete, ehrliche Review. Bin seit ung. 50 Jahre FT-Fan, habe vor kurzem meine ganze Sammlung and den Kinder geschenkt, und war fast bereit, genau dieses Zeug zu kaufen. Hat uns viel Zeit u. ärger gespart. Nochmals dankeshön.
"Can't really recommend" is a bit weak. I'd go for "stay away at all cost don't make eye contact lest it starts to look interesting!". I thought it was neat until I saw the price tag. I'd instantly have bought it for about a 100 Euro, over 400? I've paid less for my Wanhao i3, and didn't have to spend hours assembling it. (Calibrating, on the other hand, I did spend hours and hours... :-) Nevertheless, great review. It's nice to see that 3D printers are becoming ever more mainstream. But it's sad to think people will waste money and (more importantly) time and effort on things like this.
I remember in school having to program a claw arm and transport belt setup as a last year project. For the arm I needed to count a certain amount of clicks of the gears to make sure it would nicely pick up and deposit little blocks at the correct places. Now there was 1 problem, every time I started up the program again I had to adjust the amount of clicks because it would always get out of ''sync'' let's say sometimes barely missing the blocks and other times COMPLETELY missing the blocks and ramming into other things. I wonder how this machine would work and be accurate in the long term, the kit I was working with was only from like 5 years ago or something and most everything still seems the same about these parts (especially those lead screws).
OMG What a slap in the face. They are destroying their good reputation. As a kid, I would be highly frustrated seeing how poorly the quality of the prints come out.
I love and grew up with fischertechnik and have just recently discovered this. Very disappointed about the closed source. It is however supposed to be a toy that teaches kids about the way these printers work and learning 3-dimensional thinking. Thank you for sharing honestly.
I get the impression that it's more an exercise in learning how a 3D printer works than a 3D printer for the beginner, even if it fails at both. I'm still excited about the idea of builder kits, with parts like gears and rails and stuff, that can complement FDM. I'd like to hear more about sources of such kits or parts.
fair enough..you dont have to start a Kickstarter campaign. You can partner with an existing company and make something beautiful. Oh and affordable too!
Wouldn't quite agree on that. Just look at M3D, Buckaneer and Tiko. Sure some 3d printers like gMax did come from KS but honestly not much else than that.
Now the Fischertechnik 3d printer sells at ebay for about 380 € new. Less than 400€ was my limit for such a toy. I have not done 3d printing before. So I simply wanted to test if I like 3d printing - without investing money to be wasted if I decide not to have 3d printing as an hobby. Fischertechnik is an expensive construction system and many parts in the set are usefull for other projects. So it is mostly "recyclable". You can use the steppers with i2c stepper controllers at TX or TXT even with original firmware; with comunity firmware on txt you can also control the fischertechnik controler. So all parts exept extruder and hotend are multifunctional as I expected one year ago. So trying the fischertechnik 3d printer (at a price less than 400€) is O.K. because there is no risk - I can build some other projects with part (+ the other fischertechnik I already own). Adding a fan (made complete from fishertechnik parts I already own) was no problem. Of course the printing quality is only low entry level - but as may be known, Prusa delivery take some time... The fischertechnik 3d printer was indeed enough to decide, that I like 3d printing. So 3 days after my first 3d print with fischertechnik I ordered a Prusa MK3. The parts of the Fischertechnik 3d printer will find a way to other fischertechnik projects... One of the best things are the Fishertechnik holders for Nema 14. The help to integreate steppers in other projects. You can get them seperatly sold für only 3€ (very cheap for fischertechnik - I was amused) or print them yourself (the 3files are delivered with the printer). Also the axis-adapters (seperatly sold for 0.35€) are perfect. They break if to much force is tranfered, so ifsomething goes wrong, you do not mess up the complete project, but only the cheep Axis adapter. So in my opinion the Fischertechnik 3d printer is very good - for using the interesting new parts (and of course all the expensive standard parts like the aluminium bricks contained in the box). For 3d printing: fun to try it, but not to use it as an productive printer.
Good evening Tom, UK here, love you and Highfive a great pair of guys, had my eye on a Prusa for sometime but I am retired so a bit out of reach at the moment, maybe in the future, anyway my main question is there are two low budget machines that seem to be very mechanically sound called the Trinus and Cetus but there seems to be very little information as to whether they are available or not, do you have any ideas.Rob Regards
Rob, I'm running three Anycubic i3 Mega S's and a Chiron. I'm not a particular Anycubic fanboy but they work and it's what I know. With that in mind, I recommend the Mega as a first printer because it's easy to get working without learning how to build and tune a system and their customer support is good. I paid about $200 all in and it came with all tools, a kilo of filament and even a spare hot end. Assembly takes about 20 minutes and is simple as IKEA. Message me if you need help or reach out on twitter @ZDP189. FYI, I've no commercial affiliation with any brand.
Hello. I have also tested this printer. I like fischertechnik very much. However, the following points interfere with this model: The price is way too high. It has been forgotten that in the 3D printing the printing is in the foreground. All the 3D printer kits are in direct competition. However at a higher level. Unlike other fischertechnik models, you can not build any other models with this kit. You could have done so many other things with the stepping motors. Fischertechnik has not yet understood the meaning of open source. Why do not you open the firmware? The controller is unnecessarily expensive. An Arduino with Ramps would have been enough. As a spare part you want 260 € for it. The Oririginal Controller costs 90 € for German Reprap. One has saved a 10 cent transistor on the controller and thus the filament cooling impossible. How do you think you can print without filamnet cooling? The idea was quite good, but not finished. It would have been a good idea at this point to introduce the Arduino into the fischertechnik.
Hey Tom, quick question. I have a robo 3d and it keeps making little blobs on detailed areas. It looks like after a retraction too much comes out when it starts reextruding. Robo support couldn't help me. Any tips?
I'm not against ads in the middle of a video, but is there a way for you to manually place it between a natural transition instead of just letting UA-cam do it? It went from you in the middle of a word to an ad, and then by the time it came back to you I had no idea what you were saying before the break. (Forgot to update expired CC on UA-cam Red, so it might be why this is the first time I've noticed it.)
There is only one thing wrong with this Fischertechnik 3d-Printer: The interface is stand alone only, not to be combined with the Robo TX an TXT Controllers and the Robo pro software. As the firmware of the 3d-printer is open source, its only a question of time the comunity find a way around this problem. But it is a big error by fischertechnik to do so not themselfes before relasing the construction kit, as modifing firmware is not something for normal fischertechnik users. Fishertechnik used 6 components (the expensive ones) only usable with this model: The 4 stepper, the extruder and the controller. While an extruder of course only is usefull for 3d-printing, Fischertechnk missed the chance to integrate the stepper and controller in the normal Fischertechnik system. Some de ja vue to 1985 - the stepper of the old fischertechnik plotter where also exotic components only for that model (but the seperate controller was universal). Integration of controller and stepper in the system would make a huge difference to the balance between price and what you get for it. In this state, the 3d-printer is only a 3d printer. You can tune it a bit to get better results - but pricing is to high compared to other 3d printers. All other fischertechnik construction kits have more than one model you can build - not this one. So to compare it with other 3d-printers is right and your summery totaly correct. But if the community finds a way around (or even better: fischertechnik makes firmware updates for using the controller with robo pro and extension via USB to te TXT) the components becoming "universal", 3d-printer would become only to be one model among many others. There is a difference between "bad 3d printer by Fischertechnik you can use for nothing else" or "Universal Fischertechnik Robotic Construction Set you can even build a entry-level 3d printer with" (an total different angle of view - like "Is it allowed to smoke while praying" or "is it allow to pray while smoking"). Some models of old Fischertechnik sets could be easily build with the components (maybe some standard fischertechnik parts more), if there weren't the incompatibility issue: - 2d-plotter (print labels on CD with permanent marker, with edding marker printing bord layouts) - roboting arm / sorter and of course endless combinations with all other fischertechnik kits. So you are absoluetly right, only hardcore-fischertechnik-fans and people associating "Fischer" with "good products" will buy it. Only if fischertechnik gets the turn to make all components (exept extruder) multifunctional and compatible, the rating have to be changed. Hope dies last.
Of course it is, however it was meant to be aimed at the educational market and not so much "beginners". Evidently it completely missed the mark as there is no real educational value in the build and the usage is so limited it's almost useless.
On one hand it is good that there is a kit for young people to build a 3D printer but it seems like a regressive exercise. The 14+ age group would be much better off with a real 3D printer kit and use that as a springboard to build things as well as gaining valuable 3D design skills that are highly transferable. Just as they would be having access to a good workshop or a not-so-good one where they had to employ inventiveness to get the most out of it. I grew up in the UK where instead of craft skills they teach Design Technology but this approach has so much emphasis on design (subtext > as a middle class activity < end subtext) that it losses understanding of how thing actually work, how things fit together (except for butt joints with lashings of glue) or understanding of materials (covered in a 30 minute session the week before the exams). So I remain a little envious of the Fischertechnik kit.
The only customerbase i see here is the good ol German daddy who look back in nostalgia (I myself grown up with "Fischer technik") and want to show his kid the toys (eg the system) he was playing with. More a museum type of thing. (The price is a slap in the face, cause the most of the parts are long time stock parts. Not much design work was needed. They just want to cash in.)
looks like something they would have at a trade show and accidentally put it on sale. LoL. Not good for their brand. Good review Tom. I hope they listen to what you said about the license issues.
Great video! Certainly an interesting machine, but they got so much wrong. I feel like Lego could pull off something like that really well printing clay maybe, so younger kids can use it. Seems like they just really didn't find a good target user at all for this printer.
I don't even consider a heated bed, hotend cooling, and bed leveling/compensation to be luxury anymore. This was....a half ass'd try at a printer. I hope folks don't waste money and 10+ hours of their life on it.
Does anyone else feel Tom went way too easy on the printer in his review? It's too expensive, badly designed, not very educational, steals from the open source community, and is very unsafe yet he still recommends it if you like fishchertechnik. It's probably just german bias blurring his judgment because in the past he has consistently made (rightfully) a much larger deal about smaller issues from printers but not this time...
This is quite literally not a 3D printer, isn’t even sold really as such. It’s an educational toy. The judgment is correspondingly different. A class could design and 3D print some of those monolithic parts to improve it to the point where it might be decent.
I like it just as something like a great lego contraption. Even if it isn’t perfect it is amazing one can make something like this out of fishertechnicks.
of course fischertechnik mit were Never meant to be working real Machines. or even stay in a state the instructions say. improve and try with your other Parts to enhance. or even build a Robot from that Kit leaving plastic traces. and yes not giving the Source is very lame from ft but I guess since Mr Fischer died the Brand is going down anyhow. look what they have now... marble lanes...
Vui- vui- VUIJEN Dank für diese ausgezeichnete, ehrliche Review. Bin seit ung. 50 Jahre FT-Fan, habe vor kurzem meine ganze Sammlung and den Kinder geschenkt, und war fast bereit, genau dieses Zeug zu kaufen. Hat uns viel Zeit u. ärger gespart.
Nochmals dankeshön.
"Can't really recommend" is a bit weak. I'd go for "stay away at all cost don't make eye contact lest it starts to look interesting!".
I thought it was neat until I saw the price tag. I'd instantly have bought it for about a 100 Euro, over 400? I've paid less for my Wanhao i3, and didn't have to spend hours assembling it.
(Calibrating, on the other hand, I did spend hours and hours... :-)
Nevertheless, great review.
It's nice to see that 3D printers are becoming ever more mainstream. But it's sad to think people will waste money and (more importantly) time and effort on things like this.
I remember in school having to program a claw arm and transport belt setup as a last year project. For the arm I needed to count a certain amount of clicks of the gears to make sure it would nicely pick up and deposit little blocks at the correct places. Now there was 1 problem, every time I started up the program again I had to adjust the amount of clicks because it would always get out of ''sync'' let's say sometimes barely missing the blocks and other times COMPLETELY missing the blocks and ramming into other things.
I wonder how this machine would work and be accurate in the long term, the kit I was working with was only from like 5 years ago or something and most everything still seems the same about these parts (especially those lead screws).
OMG What a slap in the face. They are destroying their good reputation. As a kid, I would be highly frustrated seeing how poorly the quality of the prints come out.
Very reasonable review touching all of the key aspects of the machine. Thanks, Tom.
I love and grew up with fischertechnik and have just recently discovered this. Very disappointed about the closed source. It is however supposed to be a toy that teaches kids about the way these printers work and learning 3-dimensional thinking. Thank you for sharing honestly.
I can't believe that it actually prints something that is recognisable. Great review as always Tom.
Great review! The results were exactly what I was expecting
Could you share your thoughts on the Folgertech FT-5 printer.
I had a lot of Fischertechnik when I lived in Italy as a child. I’ve never seen them in the US.
I get the impression that it's more an exercise in learning how a 3D printer works than a 3D printer for the beginner, even if it fails at both.
I'm still excited about the idea of builder kits, with parts like gears and rails and stuff, that can complement FDM. I'd like to hear more about sources of such kits or parts.
thanks for the review Tom! it would be great if you designed a 3d printer and sell it as a kit! Thomas Sanladerer Edition! :D
no way. people gonna love it !
fair enough..you dont have to start a Kickstarter campaign. You can partner with an existing company and make something beautiful. Oh and affordable too!
I think the Prusa Research guys have you covered already - their printer is one of the best after all :D
Wouldn't quite agree on that. Just look at M3D, Buckaneer and Tiko. Sure some 3d printers like gMax did come from KS but honestly not much else than that.
I have an M3D. Worst buy ever....
Any chance we could get your thoughts on the Folgertech Ft-5?
Now the Fischertechnik 3d printer sells at ebay for about 380 € new. Less than 400€ was my limit for such a toy.
I have not done 3d printing before. So I simply wanted to test if I like 3d printing - without investing money to be wasted if I decide not to have 3d printing as an hobby. Fischertechnik is an expensive construction system and many parts in the set are usefull for other projects. So it is mostly "recyclable". You can use the steppers with i2c stepper controllers at TX or TXT even with original firmware; with comunity firmware on txt you can also control the fischertechnik controler. So all parts exept extruder and hotend are multifunctional as I expected one year ago. So trying the fischertechnik 3d printer (at a price less than 400€) is O.K. because there is no risk - I can build some other projects with part (+ the other fischertechnik I already own).
Adding a fan (made complete from fishertechnik parts I already own) was no problem. Of course the printing quality is only low entry level - but as may be known, Prusa delivery take some time... The fischertechnik 3d printer was indeed enough to decide, that I like 3d printing. So 3 days after my first 3d print with fischertechnik I ordered a Prusa MK3. The parts of the Fischertechnik 3d printer will find a way to other fischertechnik projects...
One of the best things are the Fishertechnik holders for Nema 14. The help to integreate steppers in other projects. You can get them seperatly sold für only 3€ (very cheap for fischertechnik - I was amused) or print them yourself (the 3files are delivered with the printer). Also the axis-adapters (seperatly sold for 0.35€) are perfect. They break if to much force is tranfered, so ifsomething goes wrong, you do not mess up the complete project, but only the cheep Axis adapter.
So in my opinion the Fischertechnik 3d printer is very good - for using the interesting new parts (and of course all the expensive standard parts like the aluminium bricks contained in the box). For 3d printing: fun to try it, but not to use it as an productive printer.
Good evening Tom, UK here, love you and Highfive a great pair of guys, had my eye on a Prusa for sometime but I am retired so a bit out of reach at the moment, maybe in the future, anyway my main question is there are two low budget machines that seem to be very mechanically sound called the Trinus and Cetus but there seems to be very little information as to whether they are available or not, do you have any ideas.Rob
Regards
Rob, I'm running three Anycubic i3 Mega S's and a Chiron. I'm not a particular Anycubic fanboy but they work and it's what I know.
With that in mind, I recommend the Mega as a first printer because it's easy to get working without learning how to build and tune a system and their customer support is good.
I paid about $200 all in and it came with all tools, a kilo of filament and even a spare hot end. Assembly takes about 20 minutes and is simple as IKEA.
Message me if you need help or reach out on twitter @ZDP189.
FYI, I've no commercial affiliation with any brand.
Thanks for this review. I trust reviews more if they don't just like and recommend every product offered for them to review.
Hello.
I have also tested this printer.
I like fischertechnik very much.
However, the following points interfere with this model:
The price is way too high.
It has been forgotten that in the 3D printing the printing is in the foreground.
All the 3D printer kits are in direct competition. However at a higher level.
Unlike other fischertechnik models, you can not build any other models with this kit. You could have done so many other things with the stepping motors.
Fischertechnik has not yet understood the meaning of open source.
Why do not you open the firmware?
The controller is unnecessarily expensive. An Arduino with Ramps would have been enough.
As a spare part you want 260 € for it. The Oririginal Controller costs 90 € for German Reprap.
One has saved a 10 cent transistor on the controller and thus the filament cooling impossible.
How do you think you can print without filamnet cooling?
The idea was quite good, but not finished.
It would have been a good idea at this point to introduce the Arduino into the fischertechnik.
Hey Tom, quick question. I have a robo 3d and it keeps making little blobs on detailed areas. It looks like after a retraction too much comes out when it starts reextruding. Robo support couldn't help me. Any tips?
Good video as always.
Love the Jurassic Park reference. :)
What on Earth??
Thanks for the video but why would we buy this over an A8 for example?
Thanks again!
I'm not against ads in the middle of a video, but is there a way for you to manually place it between a natural transition instead of just letting UA-cam do it? It went from you in the middle of a word to an ad, and then by the time it came back to you I had no idea what you were saying before the break. (Forgot to update expired CC on UA-cam Red, so it might be why this is the first time I've noticed it.)
There is only one thing wrong with this Fischertechnik 3d-Printer: The interface is stand alone only, not to be combined with the Robo TX an TXT Controllers and the Robo pro software.
As the firmware of the 3d-printer is open source, its only a question of time the comunity find a way around this problem. But it is a big error by fischertechnik to do so not themselfes before relasing the construction kit, as modifing firmware is not something for normal fischertechnik users.
Fishertechnik used 6 components (the expensive ones) only usable with this model: The 4 stepper, the extruder and the controller. While an extruder of course only is usefull for 3d-printing, Fischertechnk missed the chance to integrate the stepper and controller in the normal Fischertechnik system. Some de ja vue to 1985 - the stepper of the old fischertechnik plotter where also exotic components only for that model (but the seperate controller was universal). Integration of controller and stepper in the system would make a huge difference to the balance between price and what you get for it.
In this state, the 3d-printer is only a 3d printer. You can tune it a bit to get better results - but pricing is to high compared to other 3d printers. All other fischertechnik construction kits have more than one model you can build - not this one. So to compare it with other 3d-printers is right and your summery totaly correct. But if the community finds a way around (or even better: fischertechnik makes firmware updates for using the controller with robo pro and extension via USB to te TXT) the components becoming "universal", 3d-printer would become only to be one model among many others. There is a difference between "bad 3d printer by Fischertechnik you can use for nothing else" or "Universal Fischertechnik Robotic Construction Set you can even build a entry-level 3d printer with" (an total different angle of view - like "Is it allowed to smoke while praying" or "is it allow to pray while smoking").
Some models of old Fischertechnik sets could be easily build with the components (maybe some standard fischertechnik parts more), if there weren't the incompatibility issue:
- 2d-plotter (print labels on CD with permanent marker, with edding marker printing bord layouts)
- roboting arm / sorter
and of course endless combinations with all other fischertechnik kits.
So you are absoluetly right, only hardcore-fischertechnik-fans and people associating "Fischer" with "good products" will buy it. Only if fischertechnik gets the turn to make all components (exept extruder) multifunctional and compatible, the rating have to be changed. Hope dies last.
pretty much agree. and I constantly dream and daydream of our own prusa i3. going as far as taking a loan to get one.
Thanks man! Great video, I found it helpful. 👍😊
Can you biuld a 3d printer from Lego parts?)
Reprap mendel was made from old man's lego - nuts,bolts and plywood)
Доброго времени суток!!! Помогите настроить принтер... при печати экструдер уходит в одну сторону до конца... печати нет(((( help!!!!
Isn't a Wanhao I3 also a very suitable Beginners Printer? Much cheaper, More features and upgradeable...
Of course it is, however it was meant to be aimed at the educational market and not so much "beginners". Evidently it completely missed the mark as there is no real educational value in the build and the usage is so limited it's almost useless.
On one hand it is good that there is a kit for young people to build a 3D printer but it seems like a regressive exercise. The 14+ age group would be much better off with a real 3D printer kit and use that as a springboard to build things as well as gaining valuable 3D design skills that are highly transferable. Just as they would be having access to a good workshop or a not-so-good one where they had to employ inventiveness to get the most out of it. I grew up in the UK where instead of craft skills they teach Design Technology but this approach has so much emphasis on design (subtext > as a middle class activity < end subtext) that it losses understanding of how thing actually work, how things fit together (except for butt joints with lashings of glue) or understanding of materials (covered in a 30 minute session the week before the exams). So I remain a little envious of the Fischertechnik kit.
I'm 12 and built a MK2S? Why 14+?
The only customerbase i see here is the good ol German daddy who look back in nostalgia (I myself grown up with "Fischer technik") and want to show his kid the toys (eg the system) he was playing with. More a museum type of thing.
(The price is a slap in the face, cause the most of the parts are long time stock parts. Not much design work was needed. They just want to cash in.)
looks like something they would have at a trade show and accidentally put it on sale. LoL. Not good for their brand. Good review Tom. I hope they listen to what you said about the license issues.
Great video! Certainly an interesting machine, but they got so much wrong. I feel like Lego could pull off something like that really well printing clay maybe, so younger kids can use it.
Seems like they just really didn't find a good target user at all for this printer.
wow.. that thing is a joke.. lol
Thanks for the honest review as always Tom
I wonder if anyone could build a printer from leggo
In the US, this thing would have "Class Action lawsuit" written all over it.
I don't even consider a heated bed, hotend cooling, and bed leveling/compensation to be luxury anymore. This was....a half ass'd try at a printer. I hope folks don't waste money and 10+ hours of their life on it.
Their scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should. (Jurassic Park)
If they post stl files of these plastic parts, it would be original self replication
Does anyone else feel Tom went way too easy on the printer in his review? It's too expensive, badly designed, not very educational, steals from the open source community, and is very unsafe yet he still recommends it if you like fishchertechnik. It's probably just german bias blurring his judgment because in the past he has consistently made (rightfully) a much larger deal about smaller issues from printers but not this time...
This is quite literally not a 3D printer, isn’t even sold really as such. It’s an educational toy. The judgment is correspondingly different.
A class could design and 3D print some of those monolithic parts to improve it to the point where it might be decent.
please print & review some PEEK filament or ultem
It is a good bunch of parts if you decide that other printers are better.
You speak the german words very well. I'm a German, so Ist know
Maybe because he is German?
well that thing looks like what you would buy a teenager but the costs are too expensive!
Ich frage mich, wer sowas kaufen soll.
Unwissende Eltern die Ihre Kinder zu 100% an Weihnachten/Geburtstag enttäuschen werden
The price is a joke $789 you could buy a Prusa i3 kit for $100 less
It looks so awesome though, Its a shame that the design is horrendous..
They're only able to do this 3D-Printer insanity because of their good brand name...
Who is the target audience of this, alternatively why does it exists?
Agreed.
reflector36 people who buy lots of Fischer Technik.
kids would be my guess
That costs 699 euro?!?! LOL I built something better for 1/4 of the price.
That is the crappiest 3d printer ever made.
ryan lego makibox. Nuff said
Sorry, I'm not sure how I managed to post-jack..
still better than Tiko
i have one, got it for free... useless but i think i can expand it to a bigger size tho, is it possible?
I like it just as something like a great lego contraption. Even if it isn’t perfect it is amazing one can make something like this out of fishertechnicks.
So why wouldn't you buy a proper kit that's cheaper and way better? Even for kids a proper kit is still way better and can be obtained for cheaper.
Or you could just have a jalapeno enema.
of course fischertechnik mit were Never meant to be working real Machines. or even stay in a state the instructions say. improve and try with your other Parts to enhance. or even build a Robot from that Kit leaving plastic traces.
and yes not giving the Source is very lame from ft but I guess since Mr Fischer died the Brand is going down anyhow. look what they have now... marble lanes...
Extreamli weard
Deja Vu
This is a toolkit for those who like to torture themselves
Holly crap
looks like a toy. interesting
Id give it an H/10
The h stands for *HOT GARBAGE*
Over enginered junk
So, it's dog trash
fischer wall plugs are crap