"Steam has never really died." That actually brought tears to my eyes. I see it as being, despite being 50 years since the "end" of steam, steam engines still exist and are in operation.
I always call railroading in the late 60's and 70's as the "dirty" era, as most photographs I've seen of American and British steam and diesels, appeared very unkempt and somewhat dilapidated
True,but a large amount of r.r merged prior. Penn central was formed in 1968,chessie Systems in 1973,conrail in 1976,Burlington northern in 1970,csx in 1986, Norfork and western also aquired a number of r.r between 1959-1964 including the Virginian,wabash and nickel plate road,before it became merged with the southern in 1982 to become Norfolk and southern. I could go on all day,so really it was late 60s-mid90s
It's just like historic motor racing and events like the goodwood revival, people enjoy being able to experience times and events they either fondly remember or never got the chance to experience themselves whilst learning something new so really it's a complex combination of the history and nostalgia theories plus people enjoy seeing machines working hard doing what they were supposed to than just sat silent in a museum as there's something about the sights, sounds and smells of a classic machine operating that just can't be experienced with modern equivalents.
Richard Harrold whilst that is indeed true, the Goodwood revival and members meetings do not have nearly as much regulation or control over what the competitors bring compared to any of those series you mention(simply because those series are major race series not a yearly event where 'the good old boys' get together and race their multi million £ machines without worrying about emissions, crash regulations, BoP and the like) much like heritage railways where there isn't nearly as much regulation on what runs(just very stringent regulations on how it is operated and the required condition of not only the infrastructure but also the rolling stock in order to be allowed to operate or in cases like the NYMR to Whitby the correct requirements are met) but those regulations aren't as major as mainline running requires.
I personally call the 60's and 70's in reference to railways, "the Holocaust Years for Steam Engines." But a great video all the same, showing why we do mark these eras, for history and nostalgia.
Enjoyed this Chris. I remember reading a railway book that throws around the idea that in the UK, we preserve so much of the past instead of evolving and moving forward and building our own future. Personally I think that's a true case, but like you said, it's important to remember history
Well in the case of steam locomotives you all invented it so it would make sense to go out of your way to do much more preservation work than other countries.
2:10 kinda like Osamu tezuka, around this time he started to do his social commentaries of post war Japan. I wonder if he took some notes from people like awdry. Probably not,but it would be intresting if that was true. You Japan loves their railways and Britain helped form them.
Some people do seem rather fuzy on the distinction between celebrating and commemorating something. Not seeming to understand the difference between "this was brilliant" and more simply "this was rather significant, it's occurrence should not go un-regarded".
Fascinating, thanks very much! I hope you remember to commemorate the 50th anniversary of UK mainline steam altogether in 2021 (steam in Northern Ireland lasted until June 1971!).
Extremely astute observations for both sides of the Atlantic. Steam didn't have to go out, it didn't even get a true chance. The equipment for revaped, seconf generation steam was already in existence, but the general assumption was, "oh, they're old and outdated, anything new is better so let's just give it a half-ass effort until the desiels get here."
The part where you mentioned that it is much better to interact with recreations of the past rather than being told about it in school is absolutely true. I like history and all, but I could not stand how boring history class was. I was much more interested to the nearby museums (in my case the Henry Ford Museum). I have fond memories of it to this day, and it's all things to the beautifully restored history and interactive employees. Great video Chris
Also what do you you think of new build steam engines, I am sorta wondering because in america a group of experienced engineers have gotten together to make a new build prr t1 duplex prrt1steamlocomotivetrust.org/index.php
A steam loco in a museum is completely different from one in steam. Once you put a fire in them they come alive - and this is something the current and next generations have to experience
Very nice. A pleasant surprise on what's turning out to be a bit of a bad day. Thanks very much, Chris. I needed this. Of course, there's one question that I'm sure will set off the armchair womble powderkeg. So let me light the fuse for you: When the anniversary comes around, do you think we'll see a full scale mainline recreation of the Fifteen Guinea Special? Liverpool to Carlisle and return using 3 Black 5's and Oliver Cromwell?
there is also the fact that britain has a really rich railway history preserved due to the fact that steam engines where kept in service for a long time, and the beaching act coinciding with the phasing out of steam. If steam was phased out and scrapped before the axe, or if the axe never fell, there would be far less preserved stock and locomotives.
I know 4 years late and the guy above me had a slightly rude answer but if you enlarge the gauge of the locomotive by a few times and use much smaller reactors it would be excellent use for extraterrestrial colonies on Earth-sized planets or bigger because it would be a blank canvas the size of a planet and goods and supplies could be transported much quicker and faster then going in and out of orbit constantly, or trying to rely on maglev trains for freight.
@@mmouse1886 dude, I completely forgot I even made this comment, much less that this account is more then 4 years old.... thanks for making me feel old man.
I forgot i had 1 hour of slience interupted by laugh tracks on in the background so when it went off at the delorean I thought it was part of the actual video...
Excellent as usual. Always so well written and performed which brings me to a question. Do you first write a script and then do the visuals? If so, how long does it usually take yo to do the writing for instance of this video?
Chris have had of some vandals who broke carrige Windows at the north Yorkshire and east Lancashire railways,horrible thing to hear,I heard about it in a steam railway magazine and also what do you think about this.
Ok I know this is an old video and will not get a reply, but I am 15 and an American that loves British steam engine, I agree the school system is not good, but I love algebra and consider it fun
RIP all the unique locomotives scrapped. Santa fe 2-10-1-10-2, New york Central Hudson and Niagara, Boston and albany 4-8-2's, Jersey Central 4-2-2 Bicycle type locomotives, cab forwards, Baltimore and Ohio little joe's , clinchfield and rio grande challengers, British standard gauge garrets, E2's and more!
At least one of those engines you listed still exists. There is one Cab forward remaining in preservation, SP 4294. And there are a lot of unique sole survivor locomotives that exist, SP 4449, the last SP GS4, N&W 611, the only remaining N&W J class, both of which run, and there are little Joes still in preservation (one in running order). We have the PRR T1 duplex 4-4-4-4 which was scrapped and extinct, but is set to return thanks to the PRR T1 trust. Be thankful for what we do have (which is a lot)
@@thebrantfordrailfan I am aware of those Locos I did see that there are a handfull of little joes (mostly in south america) and about 3 in the US, I did see a Frateschi HO model of one for the FEPSA, unfortunately with shipping it's over $250.00!
No preserved railway is anything like the atmosphere of real steam railway in the 50s, when steam was the norm, there were no diesels, and there were three times as many lines opened. It's a life that disappeared completely and can never be replicated. Those of us who remember it have been suffering for decades from a complete loss of the lifestyle that we loved. The 60s were hell to live through. Every month another line closed, and hundreds of our favourite locos sent for scrap. I hated it. All we could think of during that time was how good it had been just a decade earlier. There was no railway future to look forward to. And, as if that weren't enough, there was the continual threat of nuclear anhilation. No, they were not good times.
Canadian here. You guys have a lot more operational steam locomotives in Britain, while North America only has a few operational steam locomotives running on a seasonal basis thanks to FRA mandated bullshit and 40 MPH speed limits
The steam locomotive was never the most suitable form of rail borne traction. More notice should have been taken of Michael Faraday rather than George Stephenson in those early days.
"Steam has never really died."
That actually brought tears to my eyes.
I see it as being, despite being 50 years since the "end" of steam, steam engines still exist and are in operation.
I always call railroading in the late 60's and 70's as the "dirty" era, as most photographs I've seen of American and British steam and diesels, appeared very unkempt and somewhat dilapidated
It was also the time when a million American railroads were merging into each other
Richard The fox That was the 90's.
True,but a large amount of r.r merged prior. Penn central was formed in 1968,chessie Systems in 1973,conrail in 1976,Burlington northern in 1970,csx in 1986, Norfork and western also aquired a number of r.r between 1959-1964 including the Virginian,wabash and nickel plate road,before it became merged with the southern in 1982 to become Norfolk and southern. I could go on all day,so really it was late 60s-mid90s
Thats because penncentral was so broke they couldn’t pay for water or soap.
Big little Railroad While that is true, there was still more variety than post 1998, at least when referring to US railroads.
"learn from our mistakes"
*shows a picture of Boris Johnson*
Lost it
This comment has certainly aged all the better.
B. O. I.
Well now you mention it, I honestly did go to the WW1 Battlefields in Belgium with my school. Not all parts of the education system are bad.
Ahhh perfect someone who thinks the educational system has gone to the bin
Gideon Bellamy same here
The American Education system is about as successful as BR attempt to be a good replacement for the big 4.
On that, I agree
7:19
Amen to that!
Very fitting conclusion!
2:12 i think thats the reverend wilbert awdry
Is that a sneaky picture of Shrewsbury South signal box which is now the biggest bell and lever system operating signal box in the UK
It's just like historic motor racing and events like the goodwood revival, people enjoy being able to experience times and events they either fondly remember or never got the chance to experience themselves whilst learning something new so really it's a complex combination of the history and nostalgia theories plus people enjoy seeing machines working hard doing what they were supposed to than just sat silent in a museum as there's something about the sights, sounds and smells of a classic machine operating that just can't be experienced with modern equivalents.
Richard Harrold whilst that is indeed true, the Goodwood revival and members meetings do not have nearly as much regulation or control over what the competitors bring compared to any of those series you mention(simply because those series are major race series not a yearly event where 'the good old boys' get together and race their multi million £ machines without worrying about emissions, crash regulations, BoP and the like) much like heritage railways where there isn't nearly as much regulation on what runs(just very stringent regulations on how it is operated and the required condition of not only the infrastructure but also the rolling stock in order to be allowed to operate or in cases like the NYMR to Whitby the correct requirements are met) but those regulations aren't as major as mainline running requires.
I personally call the 60's and 70's in reference to railways, "the Holocaust Years for Steam Engines." But a great video all the same, showing why we do mark these eras, for history and nostalgia.
You showed TTTE in your video...
Enjoyed this Chris. I remember reading a railway book that throws around the idea that in the UK, we preserve so much of the past instead of evolving and moving forward and building our own future. Personally I think that's a true case, but like you said, it's important to remember history
Well in the case of steam locomotives you all invented it so it would make sense to go out of your way to do much more preservation work than other countries.
Banging on about beating Hitler wore thin after three score and ten years
2:10 kinda like Osamu tezuka, around this time he started to do his social commentaries of post war Japan. I wonder if he took some notes from people like awdry. Probably not,but it would be intresting if that was true. You Japan loves their railways and Britain helped form them.
Some people do seem rather fuzy on the distinction between celebrating and commemorating something. Not seeming to understand the difference between "this was brilliant" and more simply "this was rather significant, it's occurrence should not go un-regarded".
Richard Harrold yep 50 years of progress and bullieds were faster than modern EMU's out of london
Yeah
This is why I love history
Fascinating, thanks very much! I hope you remember to commemorate the 50th anniversary of UK mainline steam altogether in 2021 (steam in Northern Ireland lasted until June 1971!).
Extremely astute observations for both sides of the Atlantic. Steam didn't have to go out, it didn't even get a true chance. The equipment for revaped, seconf generation steam was already in existence, but the general assumption was, "oh, they're old and outdated, anything new is better so let's just give it a half-ass effort until the desiels get here."
The part where you mentioned that it is much better to interact with recreations of the past rather than being told about it in school is absolutely true. I like history and all, but I could not stand how boring history class was. I was much more interested to the nearby museums (in my case the Henry Ford Museum). I have fond memories of it to this day, and it's all things to the beautifully restored history and interactive employees. Great video Chris
Basically steam tourist railroads are like jurrasic park
NO. There are no dinosaurs.
I'd rather learn how to fire a Hall and a 7F on the West Somerset than learn what the hell's on the whole periodic table.
heck yea,dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I like how heritage railroads try to run steam for any reason they can, at least in the UK.
We run Steam Engines because it's fun.
That's probably the best way anyone could put it.
Its like I say the GOLDEN age of steam is actually now.
Why we celebrate this. It's like day of the dead. But with trains
Would it be possible for you to come to america to see some of the locomotives that we have running?
Depends on the time and resources.
As much as I would like to do so, it'll cost us the best part of £2k just for the plane tickets.
Chris Eden-Green I was just wondering, all have you ever been over here
Also what do you you think of new build steam engines, I am sorta wondering because in america a group of experienced engineers have gotten together to make a new build prr t1 duplex prrt1steamlocomotivetrust.org/index.php
A steam loco in a museum is completely different from one in steam. Once you put a fire in them they come alive - and this is something the current and next generations have to experience
Lets give a moment of silence for the engines in barry scrapyard
Ew I hate looking at Pacers. Lol!
Thank you for this Film's and hope to get New Venter when it's out DVD,Now Subject at hand Here Here for hand's on learning
Very nice. A pleasant surprise on what's turning out to be a bit of a bad day. Thanks very much, Chris. I needed this.
Of course, there's one question that I'm sure will set off the armchair womble powderkeg. So let me light the fuse for you: When the anniversary comes around, do you think we'll see a full scale mainline recreation of the Fifteen Guinea Special? Liverpool to Carlisle and return using 3 Black 5's and Oliver Cromwell?
“how exciting algebra was”
I may or may not have slightly failed algebra... So...
Yeah..
there is also the fact that britain has a really rich railway history preserved due to the fact that steam engines where kept in service for a long time, and the beaching act coinciding with the phasing out of steam. If steam was phased out and scrapped before the axe, or if the axe never fell, there would be far less preserved stock and locomotives.
3:34 A great example of a mistake!
Spot-on. Thank you.
but could steam locos be potentially brought back due to nuclear power and how it works?
I know 4 years late and the guy above me had a slightly rude answer but if you enlarge the gauge of the locomotive by a few times and use much smaller reactors it would be excellent use for extraterrestrial colonies on Earth-sized planets or bigger because it would be a blank canvas the size of a planet and goods and supplies could be transported much quicker and faster then going in and out of orbit constantly, or trying to rely on maglev trains for freight.
@@mmouse1886 dude, I completely forgot I even made this comment, much less that this account is more then 4 years old.... thanks for making me feel old man.
Brilliant video Chris.
How I look at it, is that we aren't celebrating the dead. We are respecting it like veterans or labor day (american holidays)
If there was a dedicated team of volunteers repairing Nintendo 64 controllers, that would be through the roof.
Any idea when beyond the sunset documentary will be out?
It's still in the works, following a few delays. But, we're hoping for April/May
I forgot i had 1 hour of slience interupted by laugh tracks on in the background so when it went off at the delorean I thought it was part of the actual video...
Excellent as usual. Always so well written and performed which brings me to a question. Do you first write a script and then do the visuals? If so, how long does it usually take yo to do the writing for instance of this video?
Another excellent GTi. Where do you get all your ideas from?
But then, who cares ? Just keep us supplied. And thanks.
Fine work Chris.
You should be a teacher yourself mate. You are so good at explaining things.
How did a narrow gauge railway become the last steam on br
Here in SA, we dont have as many heritage railways(only 2 or 3) but at least he have some.
PIEASE MAKE MORE VIDEO
Chris have had of some vandals who broke carrige Windows at the north Yorkshire and east Lancashire railways,horrible thing to hear,I heard about it in a steam railway magazine and also what do you think about this.
Sorry for some wrong spelling hear and there. :-\
I hate seeing rusted out and dead steam locomotives, from any country. especially if it is a sign of a country's economic downturn. :-(
Ok I know this is an old video and will not get a reply, but I am 15 and an American that loves British steam engine, I agree the school system is not good, but I love algebra and consider it fun
Does anyone know what the engine 7.32-7.36 is? Apart from an 0-6-2 tank engine I can't tell?
That's Taff Vale Rly No 85, currently based at the KWVR
Thanks Chris. Keep up the good work!
RIP all the unique locomotives scrapped. Santa fe 2-10-1-10-2, New york Central Hudson and Niagara, Boston and albany 4-8-2's, Jersey Central 4-2-2 Bicycle type locomotives, cab forwards, Baltimore and Ohio little joe's , clinchfield and rio grande challengers, British standard gauge garrets, E2's and more!
At least one of those engines you listed still exists. There is one Cab forward remaining in preservation, SP 4294. And there are a lot of unique sole survivor locomotives that exist, SP 4449, the last SP GS4, N&W 611, the only remaining N&W J class, both of which run, and there are little Joes still in preservation (one in running order). We have the PRR T1 duplex 4-4-4-4 which was scrapped and extinct, but is set to return thanks to the PRR T1 trust. Be thankful for what we do have (which is a lot)
@@thebrantfordrailfan I am aware of those Locos I did see that there are a handfull of little joes (mostly in south america) and about 3 in the US, I did see a Frateschi HO model of one for the FEPSA, unfortunately with shipping it's over $250.00!
oh boy using the professor from the movie i forgot from the Twenties and from Oh mr porter....THAT GUY
I was not expecting the N64
This was a great insight
Yes, agreed. But not into railways or the heritage scene.
Pause at 6:02 on the middle right it says _ _ _ _
Nice Video. Enjoyed it immensely. You should now do one on “The compulsory Education System” because I think that you might have nailed it 😊
No preserved railway is anything like the atmosphere of real steam railway in the 50s, when steam was the norm, there were no diesels, and there were three times as many lines opened. It's a life that disappeared completely and can never be replicated. Those of us who remember it have been suffering for decades from a complete loss of the lifestyle that we loved.
The 60s were hell to live through. Every month another line closed, and hundreds of our favourite locos sent for scrap. I hated it. All we could think of during that time was how good it had been just a decade earlier. There was no railway future to look forward to. And, as if that weren't enough, there was the continual threat of nuclear anhilation. No, they were not good times.
The threat of nuclear annihilation is still with us and the war in Ukraine is an escalating proxy war
maniacs?
I have designed a solar powered steam train (I'm only 9 years old
Canadian here.
You guys have a lot more operational steam locomotives in Britain, while North America only has a few operational steam locomotives running on a seasonal basis thanks to FRA mandated bullshit and 40 MPH speed limits
I totally agree with you. It always bugged me how North America had not as much steam locomotives running but Britian had.
Gteat vidoe Chris
1:45 season 3 anyone
Nintendo 64
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The steam locomotive was never the most suitable form of rail borne traction. More notice should have been taken of Michael Faraday rather than George Stephenson in those early days.
And in 50 year's time, we'll be celebrating the Trump presidency!
no we you do that with his demise
Hell yeah! #MAGA!
Many of us have been celebrating that since the election.
Don't Serbian 🚂