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  • @markmetternich7629
    @markmetternich7629 2 місяці тому

    It is finally so great to see someone else working in (and teaching) raw layers in Photoshop! I’ve been preaching this from the mountaintops for about six years with stupid amounts of negative flack (which is normative when you’re a pioneer.). But YAY, people are finally starting to catch on! Your videos are always great! 👍🏼

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  2 місяці тому +2

      Yeah, RAW layers are amazing. I wish ACR was a native part of PS to work even faster and see the blended results live. Such an incredible tool.

  • @davidmccarthy3069
    @davidmccarthy3069 2 місяці тому +4

    this review is very well crafted, especially in your explanation and use of Adobe Adaptive Profiles. Thanks!

  • @tamashaasz
    @tamashaasz 2 місяці тому +1

    Many Thanks for sharing this valuable info on the new features, much appreciated! The adaptive profile seems to me a very promising feature. Obviously it depends on the image at hand, but at least it offers an alternative over the traditional manual approach. I would love to see a feature addressing the WB in similar manner. Non destructive noise reduction with the possibility to tweak the slider at later point is a killer function and a huge time and storage saver. Hope these will be ported over to LRC soon. (I know ACR is the same, however still prefer LRC as starting point from workflow prospective). Also I like the perspective correction with generative fill and seeing the potential once it will push out full resolution fills.

  • @rgarlinyc
    @rgarlinyc 2 місяці тому +2

    Thanks a ton Greg, your explanations are perfect, helpful and useful as they always are. Now to wait for Generate to behave in full resolution.

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  2 місяці тому +1

      Thank you. Yes, I would love to see full res AI here and in PS!

  • @BIGplanetLife
    @BIGplanetLife 2 місяці тому +1

    Another great video!! You always explain and demonstrate the features in a very informative and helpful way..Thanks!!!

  • @kentfaithwendyzeng
    @kentfaithwendyzeng Місяць тому

    Awesome video! The tips are practical and really helpful. I can’t wait to try them out! Keep up the great work!

  • @dominiclester3232
    @dominiclester3232 2 місяці тому

    I’m a Capture One user but I still find all your videos useful, thank you!

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  2 місяці тому

      Many of these concepts may translate (probably less so on this topic right now, but features tend to go everywhere in time). Glad that’s still helpful in your use!

  • @karstengieselmann5569
    @karstengieselmann5569 2 місяці тому

    Many thanks for this excellent video! As a LrC user and consumer of the "What's new in Lightroom" videos it seems I have missed some exciting features currently only available in ACR.

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  2 місяці тому +2

      The cutting edge stuff tends to show up in ACR first, then move into LR as it matures.

  • @kc6715
    @kc6715 2 місяці тому

    Thank you! This was very helpful - and there just aren't enough ACR tutorials out there.

  • @PeeGeeTips
    @PeeGeeTips 2 місяці тому +2

    The adaptive profile seems amazing but I’m curious on its consistency across a small project. Say shooting interiors, where there can be huge dynamic range challenges, will the profile maintain consistency image to image, with particular reference to colour being the utmost important? On one off images it does seem incredibly helpful.

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  2 місяці тому +1

      It would potentially vary in terms of shadow and highlight details, but you have control.
      I have not seen much color impact - for example, if I use an image that badly needs correction for white balance, this profile does not address it. That’s not its intent.

    • @friendofarca6550
      @friendofarca6550 2 місяці тому

      It would be great when adobe would implement a tool to just control the color corrections the profile applies or turn it off as i too see the issue of constancy in professional work.

  • @graham_T
    @graham_T 2 місяці тому

    Thanks for this Greg . Interesting to note that a couple of things didn’t make it over to the Lightroom Classic .

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  2 місяці тому +1

      That’s common for new features, especially anything in a tech preview. They want to get it right before it goes everywhere. This is a great time to get involved and provide feedback to ensure the final versions meets your needs when it gets to LR.

  • @dwightbroemanphotosandart
    @dwightbroemanphotosandart 2 місяці тому +2

    Greg, thank you! Way to jump on this. I appreciate it. In your initial study, do you still think it is best to start with a linear profile (custom to camera) as a starting point? I usually like to bring a flat image into PS and use panels to separate and adjust tonal values (light and color) to build contrast. This beta is intriguing. I will be taking a look at this. Thanks again.

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  2 місяці тому +3

      I’ve never felt a linear profile is necessary with the right processing technique. This would be an alternative to that (less consistent, but likely also helping to avoid issues at the ends of the range).

    • @dwightbroemanphotosandart
      @dwightbroemanphotosandart 2 місяці тому

      @@gregbenzphotography This beta may work well on Apple ProRAW photos as well. Thanks for getting back to me.

  • @Zhivoderova
    @Zhivoderova 2 місяці тому

    Thanks for this review! I see that Adobe Adaptive is more suitable for landscape photography. I applied this effect to an interior photograph, which is my area of focus, and I wasn't satisfied with the result.

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  2 місяці тому +1

      Definitely worth ongoing testing, results vary by scenario. Be sure to use the option to report any bad results to help them improve, very important in this preview phase.

  • @markmetternich7629
    @markmetternich7629 2 місяці тому +1

    As far as the Denoise I still think I will bring that in as a separate raw “smart object” layer file into Photoshop so that I have more flexibility to localize it into the original raw file.

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  2 місяці тому +1

      Even that is easier, as you can duplicate the layer in PS (new smart object via copy) without adding an extra file on disk. Your workflow is great for many images, I do that for local control too.

  • @mikephillipsphotography
    @mikephillipsphotography 2 місяці тому

    Thanks for the video Greg. I had a play with the non-destructive denoise feature and notice that if I apply it, come out of Camera Raw back to PS, then go back to Camera Raw the denoise is no longer applied, and I have to go through the rigmarole of waiting a few minutes for it to apply again. I think I prefer to stick with the denoised DNG output and work from that.

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  2 місяці тому +1

      It should stick if you click OK to keep the changes. If you see something else, that is a bug which should be reported to Adobe.

  • @J5388T
    @J5388T 2 місяці тому

    An interesting video and I'll be looking at some of these new features, thanks Greg!

  • @greeceinfocus
    @greeceinfocus 2 місяці тому +2

    Thank you for the information. When I open a RAW file from Lightrom in Photoshop, the Adobe profiles are not displayed. They are only displayed when I open the RAW file directly in Photoshop. Is there a solution for this?

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  2 місяці тому

      You must work with RAW data. Either the approach you used, or open as a RAW Smart Object and double click it. Those are the only options - never use the option in the PS filter menu if you want to work with RAW. gregbenzphotography.com/photography-tips/3-common-misconceptions-about-camera-raw-smart-objects/

  • @andreasliedmann4482
    @andreasliedmann4482 2 місяці тому

    THX a ton for the informative video Greg ... nicely done and well explained the new features !!!!
    I do have the same issue like another guy further down the pipe ...
    I have updated to PSCC 2025 and have enabled the settings in ACR to make use of the non destructive AI feature , but it does not work as shown in your video .
    I am always ending up in the window where it is does produce a DNG file ... ??!!
    OS is Mac Sonoma .
    Do ihave to change settings in PS itself ???
    Kind regards Andreas

    • @andreasliedmann4482
      @andreasliedmann4482 2 місяці тому

      Solved ... I had to restart the machine and not only restarting PS .
      Now it does work !!!😍

  • @berniewhitebrown
    @berniewhitebrown 2 місяці тому

    Thank you Greg very helpful.

  • @stoolin9706
    @stoolin9706 2 місяці тому +1

    is this available in Lightroom Classic 14 as well? Not seeing it.

    • @stoolin9706
      @stoolin9706 2 місяці тому +1

      never mind, just read the blog post and it's not yet available on Lightroom. As the post says "our goal is to bring a polished, expanded version of Adobe Adaptive to the entire Photography ecosystem"

  • @LarryRogers-c3s
    @LarryRogers-c3s 2 місяці тому

    I’m like you video however I still get “Crop” not “Crop 7 Fill”. And regenerative fill is NOT there. I am running ACR 17.0 as per the title of the video. Any ideas?

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  2 місяці тому

      Make sure you enable the tech preview, restart, and have true raw data (if reconsider can go negative, it is not raw).

  • @moderntimes4814
    @moderntimes4814 2 місяці тому

    Is there any possibility to run camera raw as a standalone application?

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  2 місяці тому

      Technically, it always is. Closest thing to it is when you open a supported file directly into it in PS.

  • @ko300zx
    @ko300zx 2 місяці тому

    Hey Greg! You mention around 7:15 that the non-destructive denoise feature can be done inside a raw smart object. When I open ACR 17, I get a message that "Denoise cannot currently be applied to Smart Objects." What have I broken or done wrong!?

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  2 місяці тому

      Sounds like you did not update. It works like I showed in the video.
      Must be a RAW smart object (if color temp does not show in K / can go negative), you are not working with RAW. Do not use the Filter menu, that never uses RAW.

    • @ko300zx
      @ko300zx 2 місяці тому

      @@gregbenzphotography I'm on ACR 17.0, PS 26.0, and opening a .NEF file from LRC 14.0 by right clicking and selecting open as smart object in PS. Temp goes from 2k to 50k. File name .NEF at the top of ACR.
      Not a clue! I know you're not tech support so I won't drag this on haha. 😁I just thought maybe there was something quick or glaringly obvious that I missed. I rarely use ACR but wanted to try that particular feature.

    • @ko300zx
      @ko300zx 2 місяці тому +1

      Turns out I had to enable the new AI features under the Technology Preview tab in settings. Something simple after all. 🤦‍♂

  • @Ancaja123
    @Ancaja123 Місяць тому

    I cannot figure out how to get this beta feature. Opening an image in camera raw and I don’t see adaptive profile. Photoshop is up to date too

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  Місяць тому

      Did you enable the tech preview? Click the link in the description to the full written tutorial on my site for details.

  • @Relentlessiam
    @Relentlessiam 2 місяці тому +1

    The only thing that annoys me about the denoise option it’s never let you use it ( or not available ) for AEB / HDR have Adobe added this yet,
    Thanks

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  2 місяці тому +3

      It now works with merge to HDR, panos, and other RAW sources. Almost all RAW / DNG now.

    • @Relentlessiam
      @Relentlessiam 2 місяці тому

      @@gregbenzphotography fantastic thank you for that I’ll now update, been using topaz of late but but but hmmmm I don’t know if it’s me but over time has seemed not so great or worst case user error 🤣👍

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  2 місяці тому +2

      @Relentless000 great tool for TIF images, but I use LR / ACR for most everything (I do wish the night sky stars were better handled).

  • @DavidZeiler6969
    @DavidZeiler6969 2 місяці тому

    interesting my new copy of adobe 25 however still generates a dng from the denoise so not non destructive not shure of the difference

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  2 місяці тому

      Enable the ACR tech preview and restart to make sure you have support.

  • @pafredricks
    @pafredricks 2 місяці тому

    Hi! I installed this today and the Adaptive Profile feature is missing. I did check the technology preview box and restarted PS Beta and even my computer. I have every other new feature but that one. The only options in the Profiles drop down are Adobe Color, Monochrome and Browse. What am I missing?

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  2 місяці тому +1

      That indicates you are not working with raw data

    • @pafredricks
      @pafredricks 2 місяці тому

      @@gregbenzphotography I’m using a raw cr3 file and I see the profiles in the correct folder on my Mac. It works in Photoshop now but not PS Beta. Weird but that will do lol Thanks for your help!

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  2 місяці тому +1

      @pafredricks make sure the temp slider cannot go negative. If it does, you don’t have raw data (any use of ACR as a filter is always faster data, not raw).

    • @pafredricks
      @pafredricks 2 місяці тому +1

      @@gregbenzphotography got it! Appreciate it very much:)

  • @behrfeet
    @behrfeet 2 місяці тому

    Hi Greg ... when I open a RAW image as a Smart Object in PS and then double click to open ACR I get the message that Denoise is not currently available for Smart Objects. I'm using ACR V17 and have tried to figure out what I may be doing differently than you are but nothing seems to give me the option you have shown

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  2 місяці тому

      Make sure you turn on the tech preview in ACR settings and restart. Also make sure temp cannot go negative, which would indicate the data you are using is not raw.

    • @behrfeet
      @behrfeet 2 місяці тому

      @@gregbenzphotography Thanks Greg ... the program restart now gives me that option to use Denoise within PS. You lost me on "make sure temp cannot go negative" though

    • @karlkirkman300
      @karlkirkman300 Місяць тому

      Hi Greg! I had the same problem on my Windows laptop. I finally solved this by going into the Preferences panel for Camera Raw and changing the gpu settings to custom and checking both options.

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  Місяць тому

      @karlkirkman300 good to know, thanks!

  • @RG-vz8vh
    @RG-vz8vh Місяць тому

    Does anyone know how to RESTORE the way Adobe used to create ENHANCED versions of, say, the DENOISE feature? In the past, it created separate raw files with the enhancement applied, which while making furhter files, can actually be useful for many uses. It labelled them ENHANCED etc. The new version, applies the denoise (the AI Denoise) to the same file. But I've found it buggy and fails to apply the setting on every image, and having denoised raws separate, can be quite useful to pass on to other users, as the noise reduction is kind of baked in.

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  Місяць тому

      There is no value in a separate file. This is the same and can be undone. You can export as a DNG and your settings will be included. Or pass a sidecar file with the RAW if you’re setup to use them.

  • @JAS4BG
    @JAS4BG 2 місяці тому +1

    I was excited to try the Adaptive profile. Upgraded to 17, and cannot find that setting or any mention from Adobe about this feature. Any clues? Beta version specific?
    EDIT: The adaptive profile is not available in Lightroom. It IS available in ACR Camera Raw as accessed in Photoshop. The initial photo I used to check it with was better than I could achieve manually. How it tamed the extreme highlights and brought up shadows surprised me1

  • @foxtommie
    @foxtommie 2 місяці тому

    when i open an image in photoshop as a smart object and then double click on it to open it in camera raw it shows that denoise does not work on smart objects.i am using windows 11

  • @LarryRogers-c3s
    @LarryRogers-c3s 2 місяці тому

    I meant Crop and Expand

  • @skymakai
    @skymakai 2 місяці тому

    Very cool!

  • @hoatd1993
    @hoatd1993 2 місяці тому

    Hopefully some day we'll have a proper built-in portrait retouching feature for Photoshop or Camera RAW...

    • @DAVE_WHITE
      @DAVE_WHITE 2 місяці тому

      Try getting it right in camera first dummy.

  • @jpdj2715
    @jpdj2715 2 місяці тому +4

    Calling a converted to RGB image "raw" is an incredible fundamental error. It removes all credibility from what comes next. Raw is unedited, but unedited RGB is not raw. In ACR, each RGB rendition also has a profile applied that is camera specific and defined in order to make the rendition "Adobe Standard" (neutral to the flat side of neutral). Last time I looked, ACR/LrC came with 1,248 different profiles in Adobe Standard all made to make all look alike as much as possible.

    • @TheOriginalTommo
      @TheOriginalTommo 2 місяці тому +2

      Top pedantry 👍

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  2 місяці тому +4

      It is not an edited image I was working with, it was still RAW. This is directly part of the RAW pipeline (which has always had an order of operations where things like profile are done first and things like local edits are done last). We’ve always had profiles, this one is just customized.

    • @jpdj2715
      @jpdj2715 2 місяці тому

      @@gregbenzphotography - once more - you are explaining here that you don't know what raw is.
      The raw file has one data element for each photosite in the sensor. The photosites, colour-blind and analogue, are the actual sensors in the sensor chip. While it is colour blind, it however sees the entire humanly visible spectrum of light (generally more than that). We used to call a Black & White film that sees the entire spectrum "panchromatic" (pan=all, chromatic=colour) and that's what these Bayer sensors are.
      Leica calling their B&W camera Monochrom are fools.
      Each panchromatic photosite is filtered down to either red, or green or blue and hence each raw data element in the raw file from one corresponding photosite, is monochromatic (mono=single,one) under that filter.
      The Bayer filter grid of R,G,B,G filters in repeated 2*2 arrangement are missing from the Leica Monochrom and hence they should call it Panchromatic.
      In images from Bayer-colour cameras, RAW processing, AKA raw conversion, in this paradigm, must make guesses about the missing colours in each data element.
      Each "R" must become "RGB, each "G" must become "RGB", each "blue" must become "RGB".
      If the "raw file" was shown to you as-is you would see 100% colour noise and 100% luminance noise - that we all should call Bayer noise.
      That is extremely ugly and nobody wants to show the real thing to you. Your eyes would start to compete with Niagara Falls.
      What Adobe Camera Raw (the Develop tab in Lightroom Classic) shows you, or Capture One or another program like Nikon NX Studio or Panasonic's Silkypix, no longer is "raw".
      The mathematically precise and repeatable wild-assed guesses of raw processing gave RGB pixels (picture elements) and this is no longer "raw" by definition.
      "RGB" by the way is an arbitrary choice as a small fraction of humans see colour in four colour bands, not three. To them, most RGB colour images are fake. The sons of these women often are colour weak and see colour in two or less bands (it's on the X chromosome, like the anatomy of the brain).
      You may bump into such a woman once in your life and as RGB person must be very modest at that point.
      The raw data are not negative, but positive.
      If you shoot "14 bits raw" (gradation resolution or bit-depth) then this means that the monochromatic raw data elements have 14 bits precision in one colour.
      Adobe Camera Raw converts this into 16 bits per channel for three colours, Red, Green, Blue, so 14 mono becomes 48 RGB.
      Aside, the RGB conversion from ACR is not only 16 bpc or 48 bpp, but also in ProPhoto colour space and it sits in your computer's RAM like that.
      Your, my, lousy Eizo monitor cannot render that and hence the image file in memory gets gradation compression down to 10 or 8 bits per channel (24 per pixel) before it is sent to the monitor, most likely, albeit some cheap gaming monitors mimic 8 bpc with 7 bpc.
      In Photoshop you could upsample to 32 bits per channel (96 per pixel) and even on 7bpc this may look nicer.
      Try to print that properly and you may feel screwed.
      If there ever was a conspiracy anywhere then it is in the Bayer paradigm. The industry keeps their mouth shut about how it precisely works and gets help from naive fluencers.
      In 2012 a camera was released that had its OLPF Eliminated (D800E version of D800) but only in 2023, Adobe added a noise option to deal with the consequences: stricter requirements to raw processing.
      The initial attitude was that they weren't going to improve raw processing and you had a choice: either less noise and less sharp, or much sharper and some more noise. This attitude broke the "social contract" in the Bayer paradigm.
      In those almost 12 years, Adobe spent money on mobile platforms, new code streams, increased the L in P&L, and did nothing for their subscribers. Because fluencers who have no clue of the Bayer paradigm keep blaming cameras, or sensors, rather than raw processing.
      That 2023 version was reasonable at noise, but still very bad at demosaicking (removing of digital artefacts generated by naive colour-guessing called deBayerisation).
      I get the impression that "today" some better AI gets thrown in.
      As I wrote, you opening a raw image in ACR/LrC, without editing, still means it is no longer RAW.
      It has been processed from raw to RGB in each and every pixel, in the case of Adobe always by ACR.

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  2 місяці тому +10

      @jpdj2715 I am a software developer and know how it works. Under your definition there is no such thing as RAW editing - just a RAW file before it is viewed in any manner. I don’t think such a strict definition is helpful for a lay person to understand the difference between what is possible in the “raw” editing environment of ACR vs later on a rasterized source.
      So I appreciate what you are saying, but I think that level of specificity goes against my goal of helping most photographers achieve success with the tool.
      There are cases where I would be a little more explicit in some uses, such as how local black adjustments are inferior to the quality of global ones. But that’s pretty advanced stuff for a short UA-cam video.

    • @jpdj2715
      @jpdj2715 2 місяці тому

      @@gregbenzphotography - it's just a matter of using the proper terms. Call it unedited, call it Adobe Standard rendition. Call it Camera Specific. But if you actually know what a raw file is and call the Adobe Standard raw conversion still "raw' then you become part of the problem.
      Digital photography is full of smoke screens and these issues.
      As you reveal your background, mine is professional photography school (BSc variant) and 10 years of professional film photography, that earned me a home and allowed me to go back to research uni where I studied AI and taught that too, then moved on into business & technology consultancy.

  • @danielanderson5983
    @danielanderson5983 2 місяці тому

    I have downloaded and installed PS 2025, LR Classic 14 and ACR 17. BUT, I cannot seem to access any of these new Ai features, especially Adobe Adaptive Profile. It just doesn't show in the profile dropdown menu. What am I missing?

    • @gregbenzphotography
      @gregbenzphotography  2 місяці тому

      Enable the tech preview in settings, restart, and make sure your image data is truly raw (if temp slider can go negative, it is not raw).