With Jatt announced for returning to the LCS, I wonder if he will return to This or That. Cap has really found his stride with Kobe, and the level of entertainment from them is fantastic. While I miss Jatt, I've really grown to love Cap as well. Maybe we'll get to see This or That with Kobe, Jatt, and Cap?
Cap's been great on this show and I hope he stays with Kobe, but I really want to see Jatt join them both for a throwback episode now that he's casting again
6:55 idk why but this back and forth tickles me in the right places. I want all conversations to be head tilted back, hands spread, in dramatic voices.
I really hope Svenskeren is gonna be the mvp. He has been through so much hate and now is shutting up every na team by dominating games. His scores may not be impressive but the guy always makes up for it with his teamfighting
True. I first started watching LCS in 2016/2017 and loved TSM but HATED on Svenskeren (privately, not publicly) for being an inter. Then the roster split up so I followed them to their respective teams, and after watching On Cloud 9 and seeing how funny and troll he actually is (not to mention him popping off recently) he's now become one of my favorite people. I humbly eat my own words.
They all get a lot of hate. And Xmithie is still a better jungler. I just can't go with this, even though I really dig him as a jungler. I honestly think Bjergsen has a larger effect on TSM. And as boring as this is, CoreJJ I think deserves it again this split.
Imagine dropping Biofrost, Svenskeren and Doublelift and losing gauntlet lol.. Yeah getting Grig/MikeYueng, Mitthy and Zven was really bad for them.. And lets be honest the fandom of tsm has been lowered a lot when they kicked those 3 for these boring personalities.. If they were so much better I would understand it but dang they made a huge mistake
It feels worse being behind as a poke team then having tilted scales. Just mute them and focus on your own game when you have tilted players, you will likely win away. I had a Yi once whi gave up on my team really early cause he kept getting invaded. He said he would 1vs9 that game, but he died everytime he went in. LUCKELY I played Zilean a lot, and with a Zilean ulted Yi, they are doomed late game. Yi totally saw himself as the carry, but there was a Zilean on his team, that picked up a boulder and through it into the enemy team. While if you losing early as poke heavy team.. It just feels like ther’s no comeback. Its an eady surr 20*.
I'm glad that sven has made such a huge growth since TSM. Felt like he got the short end of the straw when he left at first, but looks like it worked out for him.
If i have 3 scaling champions in my team as a jungler i'll consider to dodge this game unless at least 1 of them can go even and 1 can have lane priority if played correctly. Having 3 dudes losing lane/lane priority is an absolute nightmare as a jungler and if they start dying or if you start getting 2v1 invaded etc and die one too many times the game can indeed be over at 15 minutes
I'd like to point out that move was also at the time good for them. They got msi finals after kicking DL. CLG and TL are still the only ones from NA to run that deep
Yeah, Clg "threw" against Ggs, but the latter should be given credit on how quickly they closed out the game after Biofrost blind checked the bush. It shows depth to be able to come back after losing so hard in the early game...
Seldomsane And C9 dominated TSM after Rift Herald. TSM were never given the chance to fight on their terms because C9 did it themselves with their better engage comp, even when they were 10k behind.
Fax people hate on scalers. I was getting flamed for getting counterpicked as kai sa and was 0 and 6 then I scaled and did second most damage and went 10-6-11
How do you actually messure Lucian's winrate in TFT? Is it if a person wins the whole thing with a lucian on his board? That would not be very representiv, because there will ever be 7 people who lose and I think there will always be people who want the same champion. So is it about winning a single fight? Might be but then you need to sort this out, because the PVE rounds would distort the winrate. So you need to only count the PvP rounds, but i still think, that in a single game there are more people going lucian and chances are that not everyone will be able to win a lot. And due to the fact, that lucian is a pretty simple and a strong lane bully and mid-game champion: I think his winrate might be better in League than in TFt
Solo is realy good btw, U said he died on gank so he don't deserve the 'absorbing pressure award' but often during split Impact died from gank, and yes it makes him absorb pressure for 10 games and he died in 1 game, that's the same for Solo. This split, he's solo carrying Echo fox to be honest. and absorb so much pressure and keep being ahead in every single lane or the most of lanes even with bad match ups.
TSM didn't remove DL because he was bad in NA they did it because he was bad Internationally, which hasn't changed. Sven wasn't nearly as good when TSM removed him and that was 2 YEARS AGO! Neither the organization nor the fans are sad about this at all. If anything just happy they are doing well still. I still watch both of them play (especially TL since they were my 2nd fav team even when they were about to get relegated lol). Sven wasn't ready for the status TSM brought, most aren't, and I'm glad he wound up on a good team that is more his style and further under the radar. Now if one of them win Worlds I'd still be happy for NA but obviously a lil salty it wasn't TSM.
On god, they discounted him for pushing up in that Aatrox game, but his team was AFK. I'm avtually a Fox fan, but SOlo was the only one playing that game
Don't think TSM's lost to C9 was that much of a throw. Sven made play after play happen to get C9 back in the game. and C9 had a better team fighting comp with hard engage.
Doublelift is the best ADC in NA, but I 100% agree. CoreJJ is pretty much the perfect support. Honestly he's one of the only top Korean players to live up to the hype when moving to a new region.
I have to to disagree. Poke comp falling behind feels way worse because there's nothing you can do. If you weren't ahead to start with, your poke does laughable damage now, and all you can do is tickle the enemy whilst they stomp around. With a scaling comp there's always the hope, even if its vague, that maybe, just maybe, you will last long enough to come right.
LOL! Why is Doublelift even a candidate for MVP? He's barely doing anything and he spent a chunk of the split of Sona. Impact is the one leading Liquid, he has since MSI started, and CoreJJ is the actual MVP of their bot lane. Just because he gets the kill credit doesn't mean he's actually doing an MVP performance. I understand last season since Ssumday was the only other candidate and he had fallen off by voting time, but he definitely doesn't deserve it this split.
I don't consider TSM throwing their game. To me, for it to be consider a throw, a team needs to be far ahead and do something stupid to let the other team get back in and win it. Or doing nothing with a lead against a team with better late game scaling. TSM did neither of these things. TSM didn't throw their game, C9 played out of their minds to come back and win it. Calling it a throw is an insult to TSM they don't deserve and downplays the work C9 did to win.
How is doublelift mvp candidate when he’s been walking in to random bushes. Gonna be like last year when ssumday and licorice got robbed. Gave it to the guy who couldn’t play vlad or any mages during mage meta bot
solo is a great top laner, but I do you really think he is better than impact? We have yet to see him go against the best top laners internationally so we can't even rate if he is good or not. Only in NA
This or That really became all memes and no logic. While I enjoy Cpt Flowers every now and then his arguments are devoid of game knowledge. This or that used to be two 200IQ 5Heads battling it out whereas now it's worse than EUphoria...
if CoreJJ wasn't on TL they would probably still win the split considering how STACKED TL is rn. Core is a monster don't get me wrong but MVP means how important they are to the team. Without Sven I don't see C9 winning this split. They might not even come in second actually.
@@cannonballboy Can't deal in hypotheticals, they're the two stand outs on the two best teams, either would be worthy for me. DL is right there too, just think Core has come up bigger, those three are real close for me.
@@isboredandonline Its not hypotheticals, DoubleLift has won like what? the last 5 splits he has played? Core is a beast,like I said but if he joined a team will he be the one who makes them win the entire split. Maybe, that's the hypothetical here. If Doublelift joins a new team will they win the LCS finals? considering his recent record, yes. MVP means most valuable player. Doublelifts team will still win the finals without CoreJJ as they did before with Olleh last year two times in a row. Olleh is not even close to CoreJJ but clearly TL doesnt need a good support to win the LCS finals. Will C9 even have a shot without Sven? Simple answer, no.
@@kerkertrandov459 And yet they are trying to intentionally create different brands for each league. They changed EU LCS to LEC for a reason, friend. This show as well is specifically associated with NA content, consistently across all episodes. I don't think that is a mistake.
@@harrisonduong I wonder what they would call it. Better or Worse with Ender and Perkz (though of course, this isn't really an option, I just loved how it rhymed and felt like sharing it anyway).
Sven on TSM: “TSM Ward”
Sven on C9: MVP Candidate
True I want him back :'(
As a Svenskeren fan I love to see that. On TSM he got flamed while C9 made him improve so much.
@@justeatmycerealalreadybro5953 nope bjergsen would make him a ward wgain.
He carried TSM at Worlds first time around.
Pro Junglers should never consider joining TSM
With Jatt announced for returning to the LCS, I wonder if he will return to This or That. Cap has really found his stride with Kobe, and the level of entertainment from them is fantastic. While I miss Jatt, I've really grown to love Cap as well. Maybe we'll get to see This or That with Kobe, Jatt, and Cap?
Hes only back temporarily
Capt. Flowers with a *Hashinshin* reference on that 2nd slide 😂
Cap's been great on this show and I hope he stays with Kobe, but I really want to see Jatt join them both for a throwback episode now that he's casting again
I was confused why are you talking about caps from g2...
I realized, but it took a second :D
@@catlord69 ?
@@rozihezi1451 caps ~ cap's
6:55 idk why but this back and forth tickles me in the right places.
I want all conversations to be head tilted back, hands spread, in dramatic voices.
lmfao "It's a game of catch... who throws harder" -Cap
I honestly didn't know where he was going when he started that sentence
I really hope Svenskeren is gonna be the mvp. He has been through so much hate and now is shutting up every na team by dominating games. His scores may not be impressive but the guy always makes up for it with his teamfighting
Damiän Van Berkel He deserves it, his stats are unheard of
True. I first started watching LCS in 2016/2017 and loved TSM but HATED on Svenskeren (privately, not publicly) for being an inter. Then the roster split up so I followed them to their respective teams, and after watching On Cloud 9 and seeing how funny and troll he actually is (not to mention him popping off recently) he's now become one of my favorite people. I humbly eat my own words.
They all get a lot of hate. And Xmithie is still a better jungler. I just can't go with this, even though I really dig him as a jungler. I honestly think Bjergsen has a larger effect on TSM. And as boring as this is, CoreJJ I think deserves it again this split.
@@shaunwhelan17 Bjerg needs to leave TSM..
Same man, I'm a fan of Doublelift and I think Sven deserves it more
One of the best ToT in a while. Love it guys!
Better MVP Candidate: Doublelift vs Svenskeren
TSM Fans: ...
eLmasten TSM FAN: TSM TSM TSM!!!!!!
Zven
C9 Fans: ...
EU FANS ARE TOXIC
Nobody on tsm deserves it. And that comes from a tsm fan
New OP 100% WIN RATE JUNGLE STRAT-
Type 'i believe in you :)' to your top Lane and then gank your mid Lane XD
Oh flowers you master tier jungle you! 😆
"This or that, Jatt is back" is gonna be the next title. I am calling it!
Can't wait for "this or that" with Captain Jack (Cap and Jatt)
Rick Fox plays Lucian!
Capt. Flowers knows some numbers in spanish.
Lmao TSM just kicked 2 of the best players in NA right now. Money really can't buy everything.
edit: Except TL of course. TL can buy everything.
*confused Team Liquid noises*
Imagine dropping Biofrost, Svenskeren and Doublelift and losing gauntlet lol.. Yeah getting Grig/MikeYueng, Mitthy and Zven was really bad for them.. And lets be honest the fandom of tsm has been lowered a lot when they kicked those 3 for these boring personalities.. If they were so much better I would understand it but dang they made a huge mistake
Imagine saying money can't buy everything when talking about TSM when TL exists :p
@@kennethcaveny1552 Well, at least TL is doing well, while TSM is sinking, and believe when I say I don't like TL.
@@cooledry lol yea that was kinda my point. They spent a lot on their team and are winning over and over
3:18 The Rift Herald slide should have definitely been "Forgetting to use rift herald" vs "Forgetting to pick it up" makes it way better :')
still forgetting to pick it up since you dont get the faster recall
I think Sven is the best Jungler in NA
It's close, but I think Xmithie is a more intelligent jungler.
Welp xmithie is just better lol
Great as usual . Keep it up my favourite duo👌
It feels worse being behind as a poke team then having tilted scales. Just mute them and focus on your own game when you have tilted players, you will likely win away. I had a Yi once whi gave up on my team really early cause he kept getting invaded. He said he would 1vs9 that game, but he died everytime he went in. LUCKELY I played Zilean a lot, and with a Zilean ulted Yi, they are doomed late game. Yi totally saw himself as the carry, but there was a Zilean on his team, that picked up a boulder and through it into the enemy team.
While if you losing early as poke heavy team.. It just feels like ther’s no comeback. Its an eady surr 20*.
I'm glad that sven has made such a huge growth since TSM. Felt like he got the short end of the straw when he left at first, but looks like it worked out for him.
Make Sneaky and Stixxay both play Ez in C9 vs CLG to see who is the protag and who is the stormtrooper
I don't get to watch lcs much anymore but I always watch these, the best league content
Should be mentioned that Rick Fox is now a Miss Fortune main
Is Jatt coming back to this or that? I love Flowers, but This or That has always been with Kobe and Jatt
Great episode super funny!
Sven had game turning ult vs tsm in the recent match
1. C9
2. Mid lane
3. Svenskeren
4. Forgetting to pick it up
5. TFT
6. Impact
7. Tilt in scaling comp
8. TSM vs C9
9. Stixxay
If i have 3 scaling champions in my team as a jungler i'll consider to dodge this game unless at least 1 of them can go even and 1 can have lane priority if played correctly. Having 3 dudes losing lane/lane priority is an absolute nightmare as a jungler and if they start dying or if you start getting 2v1 invaded etc and die one too many times the game can indeed be over at 15 minutes
Evangelos Alexiou that’s when you pick a scaling jungler. One of you will come out even or ahead.
@@pug6312 If they pick an early game jungler can't they just destroy us?
Impact is the new Dyrus
Imagine being the coach for CLG and kicking DL for Stixxay.
Imagine being the coach for TSM and kicking DL for Zven and Sven for Akaadian.
I'd like to point out that move was also at the time good for them. They got msi finals after kicking DL. CLG and TL are still the only ones from NA to run that deep
really enjoy this-that one
With jatt coming back to LCS will he return to This or That and the Dive?
They forgot about zven on the last slide
Who missed more skill shots?
Me: Where is Zven?
he's already dead tho
Bring back this or that
Throw Some More
Took me a sec but I see it now xD Well Played Sir
...Jatt had better take his spot back :D
TL xmithy will shine during the playofff
Yeah, Clg "threw" against Ggs, but the latter should be given credit on how quickly they closed out the game after Biofrost blind checked the bush. It shows depth to be able to come back after losing so hard in the early game...
Seldomsane And C9 dominated TSM after Rift Herald. TSM were never given the chance to fight on their terms because C9 did it themselves with their better engage comp, even when they were 10k behind.
The tilt slide is great because everyone tilts when I play GP because Im not slamming lane till my Trinity Force is complete
Fax people hate on scalers. I was getting flamed for getting counterpicked as kai sa and was 0 and 6 then I scaled and did second most damage and went 10-6-11
In ranked two btw
Yeah I was 1/1/9 and everyone else died almost 10 times in ranked and they flamed me because I was down like 10 CS
Also in ranked
Doublelift MVP
Was kinda hoping they would have revealed the actual amount of missed skill shots to see if they guessed right
Is Jatt coming back to this or that?
Jatt is backkkk
imaqtpie is the #1 NA ADC what are you talking about
This meme isn't fun anymore. Soon, qt will be on mcdonalds with tobias the washed up one-trick-pony.
so with jat coming back will we keep kobe flowers or?
How do you actually messure Lucian's winrate in TFT? Is it if a person wins the whole thing with a lucian on his board? That would not be very representiv, because there will ever be 7 people who lose and I think there will always be people who want the same champion. So is it about winning a single fight? Might be but then you need to sort this out, because the PVE rounds would distort the winrate. So you need to only count the PvP rounds, but i still think, that in a single game there are more people going lucian and chances are that not everyone will be able to win a lot.
And due to the fact, that lucian is a pretty simple and a strong lane bully and mid-game champion: I think his winrate might be better in League than in TFt
Impact for mvp
I’m new, what happened to Jatt?
TSM became a snowball of feelsbadman, DL and SVK were the problem KAPPA
Why has C9 Licorice been absent from playing recently?
He had a wrist injury so he took some time off to rest
@@kevin97q
Thank you!
DONT TOUCH THE SCREEN KOBE
Solo is realy good btw, U said he died on gank so he don't deserve the 'absorbing pressure award' but often during split Impact died from gank, and yes it makes him absorb pressure for 10 games and he died in 1 game, that's the same for Solo. This split, he's solo carrying Echo fox to be honest. and absorb so much pressure and keep being ahead in every single lane or the most of lanes even with bad match ups.
so will Jatt be back for this or that.
he joined the design team he aint casting no more
@@mohammedheiba4466 surprise surprise he's back to casting.
TSM didn't remove DL because he was bad in NA they did it because he was bad Internationally, which hasn't changed. Sven wasn't nearly as good when TSM removed him and that was 2 YEARS AGO! Neither the organization nor the fans are sad about this at all. If anything just happy they are doing well still. I still watch both of them play (especially TL since they were my 2nd fav team even when they were about to get relegated lol). Sven wasn't ready for the status TSM brought, most aren't, and I'm glad he wound up on a good team that is more his style and further under the radar. Now if one of them win Worlds I'd still be happy for NA but obviously a lil salty it wasn't TSM.
Solo doesn't get the credit he deserves!
Put him on TL and he'll do exactly what Impact is doing for them!
On god, they discounted him for pushing up in that Aatrox game, but his team was AFK. I'm avtually a Fox fan, but SOlo was the only one playing that game
Solo is heavily underrated. He often wins 1v1s even in losing matchups and the enemy jungle has to react.
Yeah, Impact is actually bad LOL
@@SilencedButNotForgotten he just lucky because TL have good carry
Solo does get credit for having the best face cam moments.
Don't think TSM's lost to C9 was that much of a throw. Sven made play after play happen to get C9 back in the game. and C9 had a better team fighting comp with hard engage.
Just a question, Kobe... Why do you always scream? 😅
Sven MVP!
Core JJ > Doublelift
Doublelift is the best ADC in NA, but I 100% agree. CoreJJ is pretty much the perfect support. Honestly he's one of the only top Korean players to live up to the hype when moving to a new region.
Definitely disappointed by Stixxay. That guy can play a worldclass Ezreal, to underperform this hard really hurts.
flowers it that jungler im going to run it down on
I think Impact is a MVP candidate
Kobe still not getting his "this" and "that" correct xD
Svenskeren is MVP. Why is doublelift even in the discussion.
No joke about Impact absorbing a car crash, shame
The show just needs to be changed to This, That, or the other Thing so we can have kobe, jatt, and cap.
Imagine being regi lmao
I have to to disagree. Poke comp falling behind feels way worse because there's nothing you can do. If you weren't ahead to start with, your poke does laughable damage now, and all you can do is tickle the enemy whilst they stomp around. With a scaling comp there's always the hope, even if its vague, that maybe, just maybe, you will last long enough to come right.
Dont like the walk offs at the end that is lame, love this show though always entertaining
I love this cause it makes tsm look even more stupid
Accdentally dropping Rift in a team fight feels much worse. Imaging dropping it and all u can do is stand still until dropped or cc'd.
Can we have xmithie as mvp?
Why are they talking so loud?
Turn down your volume
coke
Gunslingers broken
iRep Pepsi gnar + misfortune ult wombo combo broken
@@--_--ph8rf imperial, ninja, assassin broken.. Had those 3 maxed out (some spatula's ofc) and my team demolished
LOL! Why is Doublelift even a candidate for MVP? He's barely doing anything and he spent a chunk of the split of Sona. Impact is the one leading Liquid, he has since MSI started, and CoreJJ is the actual MVP of their bot lane. Just because he gets the kill credit doesn't mean he's actually doing an MVP performance. I understand last season since Ssumday was the only other candidate and he had fallen off by voting time, but he definitely doesn't deserve it this split.
I don't consider TSM throwing their game. To me, for it to be consider a throw, a team needs to be far ahead and do something stupid to let the other team get back in and win it. Or doing nothing with a lead against a team with better late game scaling. TSM did neither of these things. TSM didn't throw their game, C9 played out of their minds to come back and win it. Calling it a throw is an insult to TSM they don't deserve and downplays the work C9 did to win.
This!
where's my boy fakegod on the absorbing pressure slide smh
How is doublelift mvp candidate when he’s been walking in to random bushes. Gonna be like last year when ssumday and licorice got robbed. Gave it to the guy who couldn’t play vlad or any mages during mage meta bot
To be fair, he has been consistently head and shoulders above every other adc. But yea, don't think he's getting it this year.
They should give him one since he was robbed in 2016 summer.
@@phlixcarbon He got one during 2018 summer.
I'm a fan of Doublelift but he doesn't seem up to par going against Svenskeren for MVP
@@phlixcarbon legit got one in summer that he didnt deserve
bring back Jatt
hmm I'd pay to watch "That or The Other Thing"
I woke up, searched for the video. Drove to work, it was up. We in here boys.
100th vote i win
buff toplane
Is beating TSM even an accomplishment nowadays?
I´m still waiting for: "This or that with Phreak and Jatt!"
Good episode on my birthday!
With Jatt coming back is cap getting kicked from this or that?
Noice they didn't pick clg. But clg is still gonna lose lol.
Solo is better than both those top laners and everyone knows it
Kevin O'Sullivan better at overextending maybe
solo is way too underrated dude is top 5 in na as far as top laners go
solo is a great top laner, but I do you really think he is better than impact? We have yet to see him go against the best top laners internationally so we can't even rate if he is good or not. Only in NA
am I the only one that thinks that Xmithie is currently best performer on TL
Ignore top go anywhere else as a jungler.
If you don’t gank top first I’ll feed 😡
Na is bad... like wtf
This or That really became all memes and no logic. While I enjoy Cpt Flowers every now and then his arguments are devoid of game knowledge. This or that used to be two 200IQ 5Heads battling it out whereas now it's worse than EUphoria...
Yup
Mvp convo should be Sven or Core JJ tbh...
lol
if CoreJJ wasn't on TL they would probably still win the split considering how STACKED TL is rn. Core is a monster don't get me wrong but MVP means how important they are to the team. Without Sven I don't see C9 winning this split. They might not even come in second actually.
@@cannonballboy Can't deal in hypotheticals, they're the two stand outs on the two best teams, either would be worthy for me. DL is right there too, just think Core has come up bigger, those three are real close for me.
@@isboredandonline Its not hypotheticals, DoubleLift has won like what? the last 5 splits he has played? Core is a beast,like I said but if he joined a team will he be the one who makes them win the entire split. Maybe, that's the hypothetical here. If Doublelift joins a new team will they win the LCS finals? considering his recent record, yes. MVP means most valuable player. Doublelifts team will still win the finals without CoreJJ as they did before with Olleh last year two times in a row. Olleh is not even close to CoreJJ but clearly TL doesnt need a good support to win the LCS finals. Will C9 even have a shot without Sven? Simple answer, no.
I honestly think Impact should be MVP or CoreJJ
TherealTizzyT I’m just gonna hope that you’re joking, if so, good one, if not, you’re delusional
Steve: check your paypal
Notice how 95% of slides are about NA? Theres rarely ever any EU players comparison unless its international event
Well, This or That is an NA show.
@@matthewwhite6569 It's a league of legends show
@@harrisonduong You realize it's Riot behind all of this, they're ONE company
@@kerkertrandov459 And yet they are trying to intentionally create different brands for each league. They changed EU LCS to LEC for a reason, friend. This show as well is specifically associated with NA content, consistently across all episodes. I don't think that is a mistake.
@@harrisonduong I wonder what they would call it. Better or Worse with Ender and Perkz (though of course, this isn't really an option, I just loved how it rhymed and felt like sharing it anyway).
I feel like Corejj deserves another MVP, he is litterally the only one that comes to mind.