FeelTech FY6800 Review & Teardown

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  • Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
  • this isnt a sponsored video.
    today i review and tear down the fy6800, the successor of the fy6600 thats been out for quite a while

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  • @dougbas3980
    @dougbas3980 10 місяців тому

    Thank you. Great tear down. My supply is dead (lightning transient with rear switch ON). Thanks to you I have a plan. First, apply +/-12V & 5v to main board and check for operation. If it is still good, rather than fix the power supply, I would like to supply the needed voltages thru a connector on the back. That is because people have commented that the switching supply in the box contributes to noise on the waveforms. BTW, with the rear switch ON, any power failure and restore turned on the generator.

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  10 місяців тому +1

      yes, i have mine on a switchable outlet i dont want to let it run 24/7
      get rid of the awful psu and put something good low noise in there. like those small mains psu modules that output +-15v with 7812/7912 afterwards and one for 5v

    • @dougbas3980
      @dougbas3980 10 місяців тому

      @@gamerpaddy Good thinking. Too late for me😏. Any links to such supplies I could use? I am having trouble finding a suitable supply. Thanks, Doug N8VY

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  10 місяців тому

      look for RAC20-K and LH05-23B05R2 on digikey, they should do. or RAC10-15DK if you want to add linear regulators for +-12v afterwards to lower the noise even further. @@dougbas3980

  • @JAKOB1977
    @JAKOB1977 2 роки тому +1

    Im not able to adjust the duty cycle for rise and fall in square 4:19.. seems like there is a bug on Fy6900 sw 1.3.1 and it seems like a bug as you can get it to show "rise" if you fool around, but no adjustment and if you then push it again it will go back to duty and be locked there.
    only in trapezoid it works.

  • @JohnnyCantTube
    @JohnnyCantTube 5 років тому

    excellent ; thank you for mentioning AC Mains leakage at [26:30 mm:ss]. I will seek a unit with this C13 type power receptacle for North American use.

  • @DeeegerD
    @DeeegerD 6 років тому +7

    Yet another review on this product that does not use the maximum frequency and amplitude. If you want to test it properly, you need to see how it performs at it's limits. Also what is the lowest amplitude? IE: Can it output microvolts to simulate a received signal? Do the wave forms distort at it's upper limits? Looks just like the 6600 with upgraded buttons and power supply.

    • @davidhaney1394
      @davidhaney1394 5 років тому +2

      fucking moron ....you obviously have a much better vid to watch ....oh ........you dont ....then fuck off .

    • @SpeccyMan
      @SpeccyMan 5 років тому +2

      ... its limits
      ... its upper limits
      Yet another comment made by someone who doesn't know the difference between the possessive pronoun (its) and the contraction of it is (it's) and it is i.e. not IE!

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  5 років тому +2

      technically its the 6600 with the upgrades you mentioned. + grounded bnc's + firmware update via pc software.
      so yea, for raw performance tests you can reffer to a 6600 review.
      i couldnt measure the limits with my dscope anyways, since it was the limiting factor.
      but i did some tests / pictures with my new scope further down in the comments

    • @kriskurowski9404
      @kriskurowski9404 5 років тому

      @@gamerpaddy By dscope you mean a Prism dScope or just a digital scope?

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  5 років тому

      www.dreamsourcelab.com/

  • @TheAnonymousRU
    @TheAnonymousRU 6 років тому +4

    Thanks for the video bro! It's very helpful for me. Like from Russia!

  • @marcteigh8633
    @marcteigh8633 3 роки тому

    I spotted the modulation of one channel with another, please can you tell me if you have used it (or checked) it with modulating an external source (eg: DTMF / voice / ) for both FM and AM ?

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  3 роки тому

      you can use the external input which goes from 0 to 5v to modulate the signal. ive used it for speech by having a 2.5v offset and a audio signal, fm modulated on a 4 cycle sine (custom waveform of 4 sine cycles made in the pc software, so output frequency is 4x whats on the display) set to 25mhz, i could hear stuff on 100mhz on my FM radio. didnt sound good actually.

  • @ats89117
    @ats89117 6 років тому

    Thumbs up for an excellent review! I just received my FY6800-60 yesterday and was glad to see your introduction before reading through the manual with it's interesting variation of English! :-) I was interested in whether you found an adjustment pot for calibrating the amplitudes of the waveforms, but you didn't mention it. One suggestion for future videos is that you might consider starting with the spectrum analyzer hooked up. This allows the viewers to see each mode as you're going through it without any obvious downside. I was afraid during the initial portion of the video that you weren't going to actually show the waveforms. Another suggestion would be to do a video on the PC software interface.
    I will be using this seemingly amazing dual channel DDS waveform generator to control a power amplifier for an ultrasonic sonar running at sub 100 kHz frequencies. The ability to have the two channels coupled with a fixed phase offset was crucial since I need to drive a differential TTL input to a dual power MOSFET gate driver. Normally it costs a lot of money to either buy a DDS waveform generator or even more to build a custom unit into the equipment.
    Thanks especially for verifying that the BNCs are referenced to earth ground. This would be assumed from the front panel markings, but Chinese equipment doesn't always get this right...
    Oh, and AWGN stands for Additive White Gaussian Noise, but at best it's WGN up to the frequency limits of the device, possibly generated using a fed-back shift register in the FPGA. By the way, the Cyclone IV is a rather powerful FPGA for use in this low cost equipment. Seems pretty remarkable that they can offer this functionality delivered to my door for less than $100...

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  6 років тому

      thanks for your feedback, i will consider doing more indepth view in future reviews.
      funny thing is, the bnc's on the previous model were also marked as grounded, even tho it had a C7 plug, which doesnt even feature ground connection. lol
      but i found that the device isnt well EMI shielded.. well it had no shield but i expected less radiation.
      When setting it to 27.xx Mhz on CH1, some audible Tone on CH2 and FM Modulation and tuning into my SDR & CB Radio its quite a mess, even if the amplitude is 0V, those tracks after the DAC's radiate like crazy. Increasing the amplitude makes things just much worse.
      i think some copper emi shielding tape inside wouldnt hurt anyone.
      there were some pots inside, but didnt look further into it what they do.
      actually i did the teardown before the actual review. couldnt hold myself back.
      impressive what the chinese can do for under 100 bucks these days, id like to see more in future.

    • @ats89117
      @ats89117 6 років тому

      When I first got the package, I was immediately struck with how light it was. So I'm not at all surprised that there is no hint of shielding. At least they never claim to be compliant with any FCC or EU standards on EMI/EMC. I'm looking at just using the boards with control via the BNC so I'll be able to put the waveform generator in its own steel case.
      I just finished reading through the manual. The unit seems to have a lot of capabilities although the microhertz claims are a hoot! :-D There are a few strange items as well. The input impedance for the counter is 100 Ohms! Maybe they couldn't afford another 100 Ohm resistor to make it 50 Ohms? Or maybe they wanted to offer both a 50 Ohm input and a high impedance input and couldn't do it and compromised? Dunno. There was also this explanation for the power button: "When the signal generator is turned off, the indicator light will enter the breathing lamp state".
      But those are all minor things. If the unit allows me to generate a reasonable range of moderate fidelity waveforms in the sub 100 kHz frequency range, I'll be a happy camper!

  • @kaybhee6
    @kaybhee6 5 років тому +1

    source ch2 means ch2 is being modulated ,, by ur choices of ch 1 ,,, and output from ch 1 right ??

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  5 років тому +2

      no
      ch1 is the main signal, which can be modulated by either ch2 or EXT input. to modulate ch1 with ch2, ch2 has to be enabled.
      in the software there is no ch1 ch2, its main and auxillary channel, since all special functions like the adjustable pulse waveform, modulator and vco runs from ch1 only

  • @alexvarela3281
    @alexvarela3281 2 роки тому

    Anyone has schematic of this board?

  • @jonka1
    @jonka1 3 роки тому

    In one of your answers you say that the unit has no sync/trigger pulse. Have you tried using a pulse output from ch. 2 as a trigger? Also have you looked at the sync output to see if that can be used?

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  3 роки тому

      Sync in/out is to sync two or more devices together to work in phase and ch2 doesnt Output a sync signal when doing a sweep.

    • @jonka1
      @jonka1 3 роки тому

      @@gamerpaddy Yes I understand that ch2 does not give a sync pulse. I wondered if ch2 could supply a pulse at the same frequency as ch1 and could be phase shifted to act as a sync signal. Also do you know (have you scoped it?) what sort of signal the rear sync output produces? Your excellent video has left me very curious about buying one of these instruments.

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  3 роки тому

      Sync Out Outputs a 3.3v CMOS Signal with the set frequency of channel 1 divided by 2, in a sweep..it sweeps aswell. Its allways outputting it even with channel 1 disabled.
      Ch2 Runs Independend of the sweep a 1hz signal on it isnt sync with a sweep thats 1s long it even drifts slightly apart since its not exactly a 1 second sweep
      The only way this could Work is via a FM Modulation Set ch2 to a Ramp or exponential function with the Speed of your sweep like 0.1hz for 10sec. and Set ch1 to the Center frequency of your sweep range like 10khz for 0-20khz
      Then do a FM Mod in ch1 with ch2 as source. Set bias to your range (20khz) Then you can Trigger Off ch2's falling Edge
      But its phase ist drifting very slightly

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  3 роки тому

      @@jonka1 see imgur.com/a/ihUWmES

    • @jonka1
      @jonka1 3 роки тому

      @@gamerpaddy Thank you.

  • @jltutorialsandtest9158
    @jltutorialsandtest9158 5 років тому

    hello I need help because for an error I have damaged the front panel microcontroller and now I need the firmware could you help me?

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  5 років тому

      no
      the original firmware is protected and cannot be read from a working controller, also it cant be donwloaded anywhere the only thing you could do, is reverse engineer your unit, learn stm32 programming and do the community a favor by writing a custom firmware for it.

  • @I967
    @I967 4 роки тому

    Can anybody please tell me whether the FY6800 would be accurate enough for calibration and adjustment of an analog oscilloscope from the ealry 1970s? Or should I save and buy a more expensive unit? I have read a lot about this unit on the forums and here on YT - YT6800's problems with noise, jitter and other things.
    At the moment I can afford to spend around 300 Euros / dollars (260 UK pounds) at most on a Uni-T, Voltcraft, Rigol, Sigilent or Owon (or maybe you can recommend something around my price point). I would like the most accurate and precise instrument I can afford at the moment - I want to be able to calibrate other instruments and devices with it. Thank you in advance!

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  4 роки тому +1

      its probably be good enough to calibrate a dso even from the 90's

    • @I967
      @I967 3 роки тому

      @@gamerpaddy Thank you, I eventually bought the FY6800 last September. I am very impressed with this magical box, all the different functions in a very small package. However, I will probably be using a professional calibration service to get my oscilloscope up to spec - the voltages required in the service manual are ridiculous. For example, the adjustment of input attentuators requires square waves at 10 kHz, 200 ns rise time, voltage in ranges from 6 mV to 80 volts!

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  3 роки тому +1

      do you think your scope is worth it? the tech in the 70s wasnt that good compared to later stuff.. 1960 was the year of the first ever transistorized oscilloscope from tektronix.. 10 years isnt much time to make a lot of progress.
      and for the price of a calibration you probably get something really good new or on the used marked thats allready more accurate than what your scope ever can be.

    • @I967
      @I967 3 роки тому

      @@gamerpaddy You are absolutely right, but my thinking is a bit unorthodox. Of course it depends what will the calibration lab ask for the alignment, but it is a nice 2-channel 25 MHz scope I would like to have as my main scope (Philips PM3210). At the moment all I have is the inexpensive DSO138 kit. The Philips scope's specs are plenty enough for what I want to do with it - mostly audio work, some am receiver alignment. I am planning to get a decent DSO later.

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  3 роки тому

      i have had the Philips PM3100 and a tektronix t935 analog "storage" oscilloscope but since desk space wasnt quite there anymore and since i started repairing hifi equipment and doing digital stuff aswell, i went and bought a siglent sds1104x-e its capable of so much more, yes its digital but supports the usual analog stuff like display persistence, xy mode and such. plus you get automatic measurements, not just a trace on a screen where you gotta count the divisions.
      i havent tried the dso138 kit, but theres only so much you can cram into a repurposed mp4 player, but for quick n dirty work like checking if a signal is present and rough measurements they will do the job.

  • @BradKwfc
    @BradKwfc 5 років тому

    Can you tell me what the maximum sweep rate is?
    I have an older FeelTech that has a sweep rate of only 1Hz/s, while my Siglent SDG1025 will sweep
    .02Hz/s.
    I am wanting to replace my SDG1025 with something cheaper but need a better sweep rate than the 1Hz/s my old FeelTech has.

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  5 років тому +2

      I can Set the sweep time to 0.01s in my 6800. Longest sweep time is 999.99sec. Havent checked the rate yet but it wasnt 1hz/sec

    • @BradKwfc
      @BradKwfc 5 років тому

      gamerpaddy
      Thanks. I'll have to do more research on that I guess.
      My old Feeltech also has a max sweep time of 999.99s, but regardless of the time the maximum sweep rate is 1Hz/s... if I set the time to 200s I can scan 200Hz but if I try to scan 199Hz it doesn't do anything.
      1Hz/s is still a pretty good sweep rate but there's no comparison to my Siglent SDG1025 that will do
      .02Hz/s & more as I haven't found the limit on it yet.

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  5 років тому +1

      how about using FM and a low frequency on the second channel? the main thing that annoys me on the sweep function is the lack of a sync/trigger signal.

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  5 років тому +1

      How exactly do you test? go to sweep function, 0 to 200hz within 200sec right? and when going from 0 to 199 it doesnt do anything? well i cant reproduce the issue this ways it works for me.

    • @BradKwfc
      @BradKwfc 5 років тому

      gamerpaddy
      Ok- so it can sweep less than 1Hz/s....if you reduce the time but keep the sweep range at 200Hz how low can you reduce the time before it stops.

  • @likhilsai458
    @likhilsai458 5 років тому

    what is the name of that black one which you connected to laptop

  • @henrytedton5381
    @henrytedton5381 5 років тому +1

    hello, i like this vid. can you please measure Vpkpk on max amplitude is into a 50 ohm load at 36mhz

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  5 років тому

      See your email.
      i didnt use a 50ohm load, not sure what load my siglent scope has.
      here are the photos i took. 28.5Mhz 5V, 36Mhz 5V, 36Mhz 20V (10V for the fft picture)
      www.file-upload.net/download-13353386/Photos.zip.html

    • @WILDGEESE399
      @WILDGEESE399 5 років тому

      @@gamerpaddy what does this generator cost and where did you buy it from

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  5 років тому

      from the usual scumbags (ebay aliexpress shitfromchina-shop) cost me under 100 bucks

    • @WILDGEESE399
      @WILDGEESE399 5 років тому

      @@gamerpaddy so is it worth the money you paid whats your thoughts cheers

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  5 років тому

      Yes 100% you wont find a better AWG under 400..500 bucks except maybe a used / broken one.

  • @tommyfournier7028
    @tommyfournier7028 4 роки тому

    What the name of the apparel connected to the oscilloscope and the PC?

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  4 роки тому

      Dreamsourcelab DScope

    • @tommyfournier7028
      @tommyfournier7028 4 роки тому

      Is this apparel and a PC will do the same thing as when plugged in an oscilloscope?

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  4 роки тому

      Yes

  • @The0nionKnight
    @The0nionKnight 5 років тому

    Anyone know what oscilloscope software hes using?

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  5 років тому +2

      dsview from dreamsourcelabs

  • @kaybhee6
    @kaybhee6 5 років тому

    if more than 5MHZ does sq wave look like sine

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  5 років тому

      my setup i.imgur.com/1XExjYv.jpg
      10Mhz at 5V Amplitude, set to 8ns rise/fall = i.imgur.com/q7hNz6Y.png 125Mhz BW not bad
      at 30mhz same i.imgur.com/BQqZfM9.png
      under 20mhz, the opamp stage can be turned on. to go from 5v amplitude up to 20v BUT its max bandwitdth is 50mhz see here.
      20Mhz 10V i.imgur.com/MHamsUq.png
      10Mhz 10V i.imgur.com/QntLFPE.png
      over 10V it distorts at 10Mhz an above. people have replaced the opamps for better performance in the 6600, which is same pcb like 6800.

  • @icenesiswayons9962
    @icenesiswayons9962 5 років тому

    What's the difference between the 6600 & 6800?

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  5 років тому +1

      Watch the Video

    • @icenesiswayons9962
      @icenesiswayons9962 5 років тому

      @@gamerpaddy thanks, I missed it the first because of a mess.

  • @drtidrow
    @drtidrow 5 років тому

    So the only real difference between this and the FY6600 is that this one is properly grounded?
    Oh, and real buttons instead of the membrane ones on the FY6600.

    • @gamerpaddy
      @gamerpaddy  5 років тому +1

      can the fy6600 pc software update the device firmware over serial/usb?
      if yes, then yea theres just these two improvements.

    • @drtidrow
      @drtidrow 5 років тому +1

      @@gamerpaddy Check out this github page: github.com/DerKammi/FY6600-15-30-50-60M