The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences | Avshalom Elitzur

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  • Опубліковано 29 січ 2025

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  • @KatarinaJones-r4e
    @KatarinaJones-r4e 15 годин тому +3

    Michio Kaku says mathematics is effective because it's, "basically counting." When looked at it from that perspective, you're literally just counting things and then surprised by the results, which makes me feel even more stupid

  • @TheInstituteOfArtAndIdeas
    @TheInstituteOfArtAndIdeas  8 годин тому +1

    Full interview on UA-cam: ua-cam.com/video/iI0IXRoQKCQ/v-deo.html

  • @noelwass4738
    @noelwass4738 День тому +2

    Excellent spoken words here. We cannot have minus one cups of coffee. Mathematics deals with abstract concepts that can deal with physical reality if used in the correct way and if used in the wrong way leads to a wrong understanding of reality. It is important that the mind be used in the correct way to discern fiction from reality.

    • @bad_metaphor
      @bad_metaphor 21 годину тому +2

      But you can have a negative bank account balance. :)

    • @noelwass4738
      @noelwass4738 16 годин тому

      That is true, thanks. Still the bank account balance is an abstract concept, but we all agree what it means.

  • @lastchance8142
    @lastchance8142 3 години тому

    In the beginning, maths described what we could see and touch. Counting and multiplying ect...Eventually maths described concepts of things we couldn't see or feel. Very often, abstract maths eventually find application in the real world (imaginary numbers, quantum chromodynamics, radiation ect..) It seems incredible that today maths often precede the discovery of physics operating by those equations. What's more incredible to me is the fact that these arcane mathematical concepts originate in the human imagination!

  • @isakrynell8771
    @isakrynell8771 16 годин тому

    Mathematics is similar to language. Language begins as a way to communicate natural phenomena. But once you have established language, you can use it to describe all manner of things that are not part of the natural world. I can describe the apple I had for lunch, or I can describe a magical apple you can live in and use to visit the stars.
    Mathematics works the same way. If I have an apple and you have an apple, we have two apples. Once we recognize this natural relationship, we can abstract it to 1 + 1 = 2, and from that abstraction, all of mathematics follows.
    With this foundation, we can build intricate systems and connections that have nothing to do with natural phenomena. But it is that grounding in the simple, fundamental relationships of the physical world that makes it possible to use mathematics to build bridges. It is because it is true that if I have an apple and you have an apple, we have two apples that mathematics is possible.

  • @hanslepoeter5167
    @hanslepoeter5167 21 годину тому +1

    Agree. 2=2 but 2 apples are not 2 oranges. The numbers in these equation are an abstraction. The number 2 is no different from what is called imaginary or complex numbers. It is just the same. Both are not real.

    • @user-in9mk4uk1r
      @user-in9mk4uk1r 13 годин тому

      This is why physics uses units to bring numbers out of abstraction. Think of apples and oranges as units; Then, you can't make that equality.

  • @ScottAnderson-ql3fq
    @ScottAnderson-ql3fq 22 години тому +2

    This sounds like more of the same kind of thinking that landed us in this situation to begin with. They practically agreed not to understand quantum mechanics yet use it anyway because the equations are pretty, and the approximations are close enough to get some things done. Regardless, we know it's not true. We know there are concepts completely rooted in abstraction. I get it; science is iteration. However, if the foundations are out of wack, all iterations will be out of wack until we correct the issue.
    Can't have unproven concepts nestled in the foundations. Can't have generational assumptions built on top of one another. At this point we're several centuries done the rabbit hole, with incomplete incoherent and incompatible theories as the base of our understanding. It's no wonder modern physics reads like sci-fi and lacks results. We can not wait for one person to produce a coherent theory that is what got us in this mess. We have to release our reliance on the existing theories before, it's a paradigm shift on existing data, an overcomplication, I know I know the highly complex math gives you all an ego boost cause most don't get it, truth is neither do you. Predictions and pretty equations are not impressive without results. Those who can't figure out the answer don't get to dictate what form it will come in.

    • @ilya4759
      @ilya4759 20 годин тому +2

      You're wrong
      The equations of QM are not pretty, and the results are actually the most precise of any other discipline. Being a critic is a cheap high.

  • @joemackenzie7417
    @joemackenzie7417 19 годин тому

    I think that might be the silliest thing ive ever heard. If it works and makes sense; then how is IT not a thing?

  • @Armineh11
    @Armineh11 14 годин тому

    ❤️

  • @alex79suited
    @alex79suited 21 годину тому

    Greatness isn't given its earned, so be great. Peace ✌️ 😎.

  • @ronhudson3730
    @ronhudson3730 День тому +1

    So many things, like this, point to a creative mind behind the reality of our existence. By our I mean everything, not just us. Although it is arguable that if we weren’t here to observe everything else, nothing else would exist. The fine-tuning of the universes properties that allow for its very existence, the fact of mathematics, etc. point to that underlying intentionality. Further if they did not exist, neither would we. It seems we, the universe and us, need each other to exist. So many will immediately not accept this possibility. They’ll come up with any number of theories to disprove the idea that we are the product of intention. For some reason, they can accept any idea except that one.

  • @thetruthoutside8423
    @thetruthoutside8423 16 годин тому

    Agree.

  • @alex79suited
    @alex79suited 21 годину тому

    We have to broaden our horizons. To settle for science that doesn't serve our purpose is ridiculous. You're either part of the solution or you're the problem. What are the goals, what do we want to do. Goals people lofty goals, settle for nothing less. Peace ✌️ 😎.

  • @user49917
    @user49917 13 годин тому

    This fallacy again. Putting the cart before the horse. We created math according to the rules of our universe, not the other way round.

    • @TheMindlessWhisper
      @TheMindlessWhisper 5 годин тому

      Maths existed before any of the humans present today were even born. We didn't create maths. We can say it emerged out of us like an apple emerges out of a tree and altough its a separate thing, it still follows all the laws and everything of the universe as everything else. Like things are made of atoms and apple is also made of atom doesnt mean the tree created something special like the food of the universe.

  • @abbuu_
    @abbuu_ День тому

    This channel is on the slide so bad. Very bad answer