Oh Boy. Here We Go Again! My Husqvarna 565 Returns & Saws Get "Benched" Why Some Saws & Not Others?
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- Опубліковано 14 лис 2024
- Kind of a boring monologue , BUT a "data point" for me. I bought that 565 from Bob early 2021 I think. Maybe 2020. Ran it a lot doing the "work" and felling at the time even into last year. Put it down to give my new for me then g395, my 572 HTSS and a few others video & run time. ONE saw that will return is the 575 or one built a little more interesting.... Why? Why the less interesting saws like the 565. 585, and g395 end up doing the bulk of my real work vs. the more interesting and faster saws like the built to the hilt 48mm saws and the 372's etc. Answer, its a blend of things from power to HOW the power comes on, to ergo's, noise, those things you deal with while doing work. AND my saw preference for this set of jobs will be different that other situations. BUT for felling..... here this my thoughts on why I pick the saws I do both for purchases AND from the "pack" of saws I have at my disposal for felling larger over mature maple tree's
I knew you would need a wedge because the kerf had not opened any. I always lay several wedges and my wedge banger next to the tree, so I do not have to walk to get them when the tree is basically cut off and I do not have any means to force them into the face cut.
Absolutely correct cutting cookies has zero to do with what makes a good work saw.
As always Walt, a great, common sense discussion 👍👍
A good discussion for sure
I love your discussion. I have been working quite a bit with my 562XP (has been reliable since repair) and I appreciate some of the things you mentioned. Didn’t really think about the issue of being tired and having to finesse the saw. Great insight sir. I like your ability to put into words things that I have noticed it cannot put my finger on what is different. Just got my first clone 660 and it certainly has a place for certain types of intermittent cutting that I do. Like you said, every one has a different situation. It is very cool that you have the experience, inventory and ability to compare and let us know about your experiences. Thank you again.
Fact is plain jane every day work saw's end up doing most of the real world work for a lot of us myself included. Yes I have a few saw's that I have "worked over" so to speak but really don't care to show or talk about because a lot of people right away think your "showing off" and like you said they are fun to play with but a lot of times not so practical in the day to day work that needs doing, and yes I also most times just take along a couple of pretty much "standard" stock saws. Best comparison I can make is I know a few car hot rod guys you'll see them at the drive through with that 700hp high cam monster they built years back every once and awhile just for fun, but when you see them out and about with their wife shopping; their driving her minivan lol!
A saw is a saw, regardless of who made it. If it will run and stay running I use it. We all have our favorites. My favorite right now is the Stihl 021 that I rebuilt this past year. It has done everything that I have asked of it. What more can I ask.
Great video and a great saw.
Well, maybe not so great saw , but : work today ,get the work done, again tomorrow, and the day after tomorrow, and so on and so on...
No racing , no cookie cuts, no showing off - just plain work for me the oridinary guy - get the work done, without burning too much fuel, and saving my hands for tomorrow`s work too, with no hype at all. It`s a repeating cycle.Dependable is the word. It`s enough for me...
I really liked this video... my hope is that Walt gets a 592, does some mild porting on it, and gives us feedback. In the trucking industry, we had a saying, "There is no substitute for power".
More likely to put a 592 top end on a 585. Right now not seeing a reason to do much of anything to the 585 as it makes good power and doesn't drain the fuel...a good blend. While I'm still in a more "production" state of mind, not really wanting to fix something risking a stable configuration. It's working perfectly now.
@afleetcommand Gotcha! You forgot more about saws than I'll ever know.
my first saw was ms261cm, it made me learn that I really enjoy captive bar nuts and mg clutch covers ... where I live the best private sale deal for the money and potentially brand new in the box is an echo cs590 but it does not have captive bar nuts or mg clutch cover which makes me not trust it as a work saw in the woods. its so easy to loose a bar nut when your not used to it being a another potential problem.
This vid was not a boring monologue!
only thingy that would make it better would be having Bob say his opinion for 30 minutes and then have both of you do a fireside chat (maybe Bob makes grits and biscuits?) where you guys hopefully find something to disagree about :)
The trees I cut are much smaller and different that yours, the 562 would be sweet in the stuff I cut.
I only have one big saw and use a 50cc saw most of the time, I only use the big saw blocking up the log pile.
I have a neo tec 660 clone, it came with a full wrap and large dogs, I chopped the wrap off and bought smaller dogs for it. I do not like full wraps, I cant get the saw into my atv saw carrier and it sucked balancing the saw so you can pour gas/oil into it.
I think the hotrod 562 with the 24" bar looks cool.
at the 12.53 mark....my mind went back to what you once said....no replacement for displacement.
And yet, the g395 sits right next to a 585 which will probably get a 592 top end :)
I think part of the "saw world" is also not part of the "work world". Sure the tools we use at work are old faithfuls and the things that are most comfortable and fit the task at hand.
I also think that the chainsaw being one of the last symbols of American freedom and independence is part of the attraction of them. We like to see a guy get a few saws or buy some and put them to use ,while having fun. Watching you start out with the stihl clones made me and I'm sure a bunch of others think" hell I might be able to tackle a kit saw!" Things change in everyone's life ( if they're lucky) and I think alot people learned not to be limited by skill or finances by watching your videos. I think thats whats part of the process is seeing where it takes you.
You vote with your feet. You spring for a purchase with your heart and head - your head justifies what your heart wants whether it makes financial sense or not.
Sometimes the power and power delivery is worth it even though your working with the extra saw weight. But as you say everyone has there reason for how they do it and thats one of the reasons i watch your videos. Its not this is the only way its just my way
AMEN BROTHER 🤙
As we say here in Louisiana, don’t trust a skinny chef…hahaha…great teaching - treasures of knowing.
O like what you're talking about. Peak horsepower means less and less to me. The power curve is what matters. Its nice to have a saw with a broad power band depending on what your doing. That is why I hesitate to mod my oem 51.4 372.
Yes.. and with enough flywheel weight it doesn't stall fast
@afleetcommand good point. In fact it has the x-torq flywheel on it. I think it's a little heavier.
Would you try a redmax gz9000 which is just a re badged jonsered 2188 the same as husky 390 or do you prefer the handlebar bend over their straighter profile jred/redmax cousins in a all day work setting I love my Jonsereds!!!❤
sure why not :)
as they video went on , and you were talking about power delivery and vibration and such..... i wondered what ever happened to your big stihl clone saw ..i recall you saying how powerful it was ( and something about vibration as well , lol )
Action speals louder....it's not on the channel or in the truck. The 888 hangs around a bit because it runs well. The 660's are all gone. Had fun with them. Put them in a local auction. I have ONE left...it's on permanent loan in Kentucky....running well and all. But the g395 just put them all out of the picture. :)
Nice 😊 🤠👌👌🤙
only thing is both those saws 565 autotune and the 572xp are pretty much same CC output. one has 5hp and the other 5.5hp.
Yup, I focus on results & how it works on my jobs vs. the spec sheets, I have 2 572's and one 565. Which one gets the most actual work time? More isn't always better is a lesson it takes years to learn. And the spec sheets don't show HOW the power is delivered, noise & vibration, "feel" based on actual physical size & how that effects after a long day working. Specs are just numbers.
Sounds to me from what you are saying that you might be happier with the 572 if you swapped a half wrap (possibly from the 565) on and the light bar from your clone, just a urequested opinion I'm a stihl guy but that 585 might be the best saw husky currently makes.
You would think right? Maybe...but for some reason the 572, especially the stock one falls off the power band faster than the 565. SO 565 put it on the bench for this job. I'm not done with 572. Love the basic package, just I went off on a tangent with the big spikes & bar and that really is what did it. Configuration. I'll go back after this jib is done and revisit the 572.
@afleetcommand yes sir the narrow power band of the huskys and the preception of low torque is why I gravitate towards the stihl saws I like to be able to lean on my saws and like you say be able to spin up the chain without coming out of the kerf...when stihl went away from the carb saws (until covid brought them back) I tested the huskies thinking about making the change I just couldn't get them to fit my style, old habits I suppose... the 390 almost got the nod it came closer to a stihl type power curve than even the 395 imho then stihl came with the 500i and I fell for the hype lol so far it's been a good saw no real complaints but they (husky) have since came out with the 585 and the power to weight and the fact that it has a carb may eventually get it a spot in my lineup.
I've been a 461 fan for a long time for that reason. My "builds" for the last decade or more have been about adding low end to the spinners like 372 OE's and others. You would like the old 372xpw, with it's smaller transfers and more displacement it would pull a long bar well. Same with the 576 ( even 575 ) better than their 50mm cousins. 390's come in and out of my line up, I'm building one now on the "new" cases with the new crank to see if it will fit in. 395's don't lack anything. And really work well, just I'm an old fart and rather run something like a 585. BTW if u haven't run a 592, try it, u will be very pleased with how they pull. 585 is about 5 to 8 percent less. I like the carb and it' pulls well enough. I plan to bolt a 592 top end on a 585 next year to see if the extra "power" everywhere is worth the effort. BTY I hate generalities. Husqvarna for what ever reason gets tagged that way because of the "popular" saws like 346 & 372, but a 372XT pulls well and other saws in their line up aren't peaky at all.
@afleetcommand funny you mentioned the 461 that is the saw that was my basis for comparison and it will absolutely drag any saw in that class stock for stock the 461 is why I never bought a 462 even when they came back with carbs (early m-tronic's gave me a bad taste for anything I can't stick a screwdriver in) idk why I went with the 500i other than I knew they had used the injection system on concrete saws for a while and hopefully they had the bugs out, that and set up with a light bar the power to weight was pretty nice. I had a couple of (dolmar) makita 7900s in the mix and I truly enjoyed those saws as well, they have excellent torque it's a shame they are phasing them out
I'v looking at purchasing the 395 clone...good firewood saw stock?
Guess two things come to mind, it is a clone so buy from a place that backs them. As clones go the g395 ( and g288 ) come pretty close to work ready. I replaced the bar oil pump on the g288 and the Piston on the g395. From what I have heard and seen the current batch of g395's need nothing so yes to them being close to ready out of the box ... but also they are a BIG saw. So unless you have experienced that size & power...its a bit much for firewood :) Would prolly suggest something smaller. they had a g5800 for a while under the Joncutter brand name. For most that would be a better option. Or... simply find a used Husqvarna 460
I don’t believe “cookie cuts” really tell the whole story as far as how the saw performs in the timber … does it have enough torque to pull the chain thru gnarly knots? Will it perform when On/off throttle “feathering” the back cut etc… holding a log in the air in the perfect cutting position with a tractor and timing cuts can be a FAR cry from “real world” scenarios. I’m not saying cookie cutting isn’t fun and a way to test performance as a metric in and of itself, however imho it’s FAR from the be all/end all when it comes to saws! 562xp likes a 20” and a 572xp likes a 24” although both can run a longer bar in a pinch
same, and racing is fun but also the world for some. Not saying that's a bad thing, just not where my head is when having to drop a bunch of trees. I'm getting old and crabby I think as my tolerance for a inconvenienced saw is not in the seconds when years back I would mess with it a day or so. Like the 572, when I go back to revisit them, and I will, I,m sure they will be back in the picture. Just I'm having a "X-Torq" momnet as well as I have the FOURTH 572 on the bench with a wiped bearings. NEVER have has a "no stuffer" 565 on the bench in need of repair.
@@afleetcommand Only helped a guy with a seal on a 572xp bearing surprisingly ok … He likes to REALLY dig in and probably isn’t preparing his chain … ie cutting with dull chain …. I believe a built saw that works for YOU is the ticket! A “blend” like you refer to it as…Everyone’s situation/preference is slightly different so when I hear these “one size fits all” statements by a certain group that builds a certain way and claims any other way other than “their0 isn’t a true “ported saw” it tends to chap my Fanny a bit - especially when I have some of “their saws” sitting on my shelf and have actually run them! Instead of just spewing the “company line” verbiage these folk should broaden their horizons a bit, after all, it’s a big world out there with lots of up and coming guys with trick bags like these folk ain’t never seen 😎
That could be because they aren’t sold in the same numbers as the 572
You get bored with big blue.
Give the 58mm a try with it.
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Nope. Did that with a 394, tweaked to a 395 with a HyWay big bore. Couldn't start the thing when I get a little tired. And when it finally broke in, even with a decomp on it was close to impossible to get enough RPM with the pull start to light it off....and that my point. More isn't always better. Has to be a blend and starting ease is a HUGE part of that.
Did you do anything to the 395
Yup, did some video's on that