The Ethics Of Asking For Death | Chicago Med
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- When a patient asks Dr Halstead to let him die. The situations becomes a case of ethics when Dr.Halstead finds that his patient is a pedophile.
Season 3 Episode 12 "Born This Way"
Dr. Manning and Dr. Choi travel to a homeless camp to deliver the baby of one of the teenage residents who refuses to deliver at a hospital. Meanwhile, Dr. Halstead and April are dealt an uncomfortable situation when they discover that their patient is a pedophile. Dr. Rhodes and Dr. Bekkar’s personal and professional relationships clash while treating a patient with a chronic disease.
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Him: I've made it 56 years-
Me: happy? satisfied? depressed?
Him: -without molesting a child.
Me: a h .
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He didn’t do anything to any child. That’s the point of the story, he made it 56 years without hurting a child.
@@wakeup608 did you even watch the video? He said he spent 56 years battling his desires and never touched a child ever.
“I have an itch every second of every day. To scratch it would feel so good, but I don’t. Ever. Not scratching that itch is the worst hell that I can imagine. Cancer is going to get me out of that hell. It isn’t another challenge - cancer is my reward.”
*Chills.*
Deep just deep that’s all I am going to say
I wonder how much the writers read about paedophilia to write lines like that.
Omg look at our names
niamhee 1500th like
so he was doing the thing on children??... im innocent just asking...
*Him: I’ve made it 56 years-*
_Me: that’s amaz-_
*Him: Without molesting a child*
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Her: why are fighting so hard for this guy?
Will: because its not my job to judge him.
It’s not judgement, it’s respecting patient wishes... he’s competent, rational and above the age of 18, therefore he can legally refuse treatment, and I respect this (sure, fictional) patient for what he did... he resisted impossible urges his entire life, and was done fighting... if anything that’s the most competent and rational thing ever
@@truebornseeker9767 I fully agree with that
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏for Mr Halstead 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Truebornseeker treatments and life saving procedures are two different things. Doctors are obliged to perform PCR. Once the person is stable, if he needs a surgery or a long term treatment, he can refuse it.
You don’t let a person who tried to commit suicide, die by doing nothing even if dying is what that person wants
yes we did see the clip! x
he’s a good man he resisted the urges of acting on his thoughts being a pedophile key word here didn’t act on his thoughts for a whole 56 years
Nah that's not how shit works
@@skatercreavey8209 ofcourse it is. He's born with that sexual attraction which he knew would have been wrong to act upon so he didn't. He's a really good person for that.
Kiersto0906 it isn’t how shit works it’s fuckin wrong they deserve to fuckin die because you would want to kill one if they were doin it to family it’s fuckin disgustin
Jasmin97 disgusting how you think it is alright to be a fuckin paedo ye kill the fuckin lot of em it would make a better place? Why do you think when they go inside most die cuz everyone hates em.
Jasmin97 and also you were thinking of killing another by wanting to kill me hypocrite
i understand that doctors are just following through but honestly if the patient wants to end it all, they are fully aware of their decision and thought through this, I’d say respect their choices.
Euthanasia is illegal
Ana M I’ve acknowledged that but that’s in most states in America. I believe that it shouldn’t be illegal as long as the patient is stable and fully capable enough to understand the process of that stage then it should still follow through the process.
We also have to remember that most of these patients are in pain and can no longer bare it anymore. It’s sad but if that’s what they want, they should be respected for their own choices in life.
Ana M Something being illegal doesn’t make it ethically wrong. For some people life is pain. Physically or mentally or emotionally. And while we should be able to cure that, that’s not always the case. We say people who commit suicide are ‘selfish’ because they don’t think of who they harm in the process. But Isn’t it even more selfish to keep someone alive for your own benefit when they’re clearly in pain?
The thing is some patients are emotionally/mentally unstable to make those choices (depression, suicidal thoughts) and there been cases where people have hurt themselves or tried to die and survived and ended up regretting it. So it's a very complicated situation...
suicide watch
Coming from someone who was molested as a child, I think he was an honourable character. He resisted even though the temptation was THAT strong. He struggled and suffered with what I believe was his own mental illness. His wish to die was his punishment to himself. And it was granted. You don't always get the decent ones who know right and wrong and don't inflict pain for their own gain.
That's right, the difference is exactly that he hasn't DONE anything to any child. He knows what he desires is WRONG and has fought that desire from day one.
Gosh dang that took a turn real quick
Yep that went wrong real quick
Cant wait that long. Another segment is to be aired.
Yep that was unexpected
I respect doctors so much they make so many difficult decisions everyday
Julie Duong You haven’t worked in the hospital before have you?🤦🏾♀️
Julie Duong then you shouldn’t have generalized, this is an emergency room and they are ER doctors, doctors are on their toes doing physical work just as much as the nurses in emergency rooms, along with that, they have to make the medical decisions. I’m tired of people feeling the need to discredit what doctors do just because they are attempting to uplift nurses. just appreciate the nurses and leave the doctors alone. That’s my point.
@@jeuwelly3075 what about researchers that find cures for everything is there to be found?
"Cancer is my reward" that's some sad shit man.
This man had what’s diagnosed as Paraphilia. Most of my clients with this sexual disorder resist their urges and are actually afraid of putting themselves in positions in which they may be exposed to the subjects of their arousal. Poor man, it is excruciating to live with such a disorder but very brave to resist its temptations.
Did you ever work with anyone suffering from OCD and sexual intrusive thoughts?
Hello. Could you work with someone with Erotophobia?
In a way I kinda feel bad for him. Like and their are others like him in the world that know how disgusting and wrong it is but resist it all their lives. Imagine how hard that is.
He was born this way and still he didn't take that as a pass to do what he wants, instead, he suffered for 56 years, batteling his urges... such a brave man.
@I mug i think they usually use things along the lines of hormones since the sexual urges are the problem
@I mug Technically, there are brain surgeries, yes. However, due to our current medical advancement (or in this context, lack of), it's not possible to /just/ cancel out the hormonal center to lose any kind of attraction. You would also damage a lot of other hormonal balances in your body that you need to... e.g. produce endormorphines or even melatonin which could result in him becoming a severely depressed person unable to feel happiness naturally for the rest of his life or rob him of restful sleep for the rest of his life.
But it's good thinking and hopefully - especially for the sake of people being born with this mental condition - it will be a possibility in the future. To have these urges and knowing that they are wrong... I feel sorry for them.
People fight their demons every day nothing special dont try and normalize it
I scream I believe it’s more to do with hormones, there’s this thing called a Chemical Castration. Chicago Med has a video on it, you could check it out.
Ok I DID NOT see that coming
JoJo 7 same
@Izzah Moazzam Dar that
You didn't see him "coming" coz he controlled his itch for years
@@farisa.kareem3857 i mean, it is a good dark humor joke, but i don't think this is the right moment fo this, lmao
@@farisa.kareem3857 good one lol
I nursed my elderly mother through rampant cancer, she just wanted to go, but the ridiculous laws that deny people the right to choose to die meant she had to suffer.
This. I did psych nursing at uni and id met many patients with horrific illnesses, including dementia. This lady when she had capacity had expressed wishes for her death when the dementia is so far gone but because of the laws she couldnt pass beforehand or afterwards. She couldnt use the loo, had a bedpan. She couldnt speak. She couldnt enjoy anything. She was nearing the end of life when i met her and it was so sad to see that (in the nurses who'd known her for years words) she had lost her dignity and everything that made her her and was just existing because she had to. Very sad indeed. My deepest condolences to you, kind stranger.
I know he's technically a movie character but rest in peace man. I can't imagine how it must've been for him all those year. To not act on his impulses, it takes a lot of discipline and bravery.
If all people/pedophiles/sexually frustrated people were like this, imagine how the world would be.
If all people were like this, then imagine how the world would be
@dianna k bruh do your research, back then it was normal. Besides, close minded much? Not to mention Islamophobic.
@dianna k yo man. I don't care if ur against Islam or whatever crap, but that's just plain rude -_-
@dianna k 🤦🏻♀️ do you have no common sense omg I MEANT SAYING ISLAM IS A FRKING DISEASE DO I NEED TO HIGHLIGHT IT FOR YOU. look I'm not supporting or against Islam but saying that it is a disease is just rude okay.
Maleehah Muhammad why cause they’re right?
Anyone else binge watching Chicago med?
On youtube rather than watching the actual show?? hell yeah
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I respect this man. To defy an urge that is physically hardwired into your brain must take extreme amounts of willpower. In the end he was a good man.
As someone who has been attacked... I have nothing but sympathy for those cursed by cruel fate with this disease, and I want nothing more than for them to get all the help and care in the world they need. Now that all goes out the window the moment they hurt someone, but until that time, they deserve help and should be treated like any other patient suffering a neurological disease.
Exactly.
I cast no judgment on these poor people, but those who are raised FEELING there is something wrong with them and KNOWING what their attracted to is wrong and still do it.
I have no sympathy. Instead of getting your rocks off go get embarassed ONE time and MAYBE get help.
Vs being humiliated and vilified for people to see and then promptly get ***** in prison to death often times
Edit: Also i am so very sorry you had to experience what you did. I mean this in absolute no "i take pity" on you way. I truly just wish it hadn't happened to you and it is beyond evil that it did.
I hope life has treated you kind and that your future looks ever so bright.
Except it's not a neurological disease, but a spiritual and psychological one.
@ayolovephat I am afraid that is simply incorrect. If spirituality helps, then that is great, but there are physical symptoms that go along with this disorder, chemical changes in the brain that create this affliction. This isn't an illness than most can simply wish away.
@@ayolovephat psychological diseases are still diseases. Its still an illness, depression is an illness, anxiety is an illness and pedophilia is an illness, and theyre all psychological. Still deserving of treatment
I’m ready to die
Me: jesusssssss Christ ima live
"I think the best thing i can do is put a pillow over his head." Lmao thats such a good line!
yes
it's deep and simple at the same time
Regardless of this mans determination to not act on his urges, I couldn’t agree with Dr Abrams more
@@jackforde4883 Was Dr Abrams talking abt the pedophile or Dr Reese’s father, Robert Haywood?
Is nobody gonna talk about how April just stands there and gives the exact same look to Halstead every single time 😂😂
Because that’s what you can do when you’re a pretty actress, you so don’t have to try hard all you do is look. I love Maggie, she has more character and you can almost read her emotions.
The scary thing watching this video is wondering how many ‘April ‘ nurses work in hospitals all over the world. I pray I never have an ‘April’ nurse me in my life. But did come close once being asking about my religion. I love Dr. Halstead “ we’re not here to judge “.
@@anndeneka9305 we are here to respect the patients decision if the patient doesnt want treatement our job is to respect that and as the nurse her job is to advocate for what the patient wants not what the doctor wants so he can fall asleep at night
Man, this made my eyes water. That was really sad. He had so much more life to live. But at least he died holding someone who cares hand as he passed away.
My face when he said why he wants to die:
*👁👄👁*
Well that went well
Rose Berry I want to also
@@catlover4486 wow wow wow,ik it is a year but ask for help
Reminds me of what I heard someone say some years ago. "All child molesters are pedophiles, but not all pedophiles are child molesters". Some are just very troubled souls with sick thoughts, and they despise the whole thing just as much as everyone else does.
May or may not be me. I’m a good person, but I fkn hate myself
@@RobCod2012 Im sorry to hear that man. I hope the societal stigma disappears and real research is done to help people with it. I believe with proper therapy and possibly medications the disorder could be reduced, I just wish more people could see it that way.
I would like to add that it could be OCD or intrusive thoughts, idk if your comments is meant to sound as if you are uncertain on whether you have it or just trying to subtly elude to it. Either way, I hope the best for you.
There are some child molesters that aren't pedophiles. They are rare, but some do it out of spite, or just because that is "how they do it"
That is honestly the most terrifying part of this comment.
Not every child molester is a pedophile.
This man is very respectable, he hasn’t done those things for 56 years and he realises it’s wrong, I feel bad for him because he can’t help it.
Why couldn’t they let him go?
@@DiamondAviator4 Because in ethics there is no right or wrong. There are opinions and it only matters how well you justify yours. The doctor (Halstead) obviously felt conflicted about letting that man die. He says that it's not his job to judge people, his job is to treat people regardless of their gender, race, sexual orientation etc. Watching someone die when you know for a fact that you could treat them is one of the hardest things to go through as a health care worker.
The courage and bravery of this man should be applauded. H really chose cancer over his urges. That alone should be enough to show how good of a man he really is.
While I admire Will's compassion, the fact that he dismisses every opinion that he doesn't share is annoying and selfish. I do like how he was there for him and held his hand at the end though.
I also understand that hearing the term pedophile makes you think of a monster, but I didn't feel like that with this man. It's the ones that act on it that should suffer. The strength this guy had to hold himself back because he knew it was wrong is admirable. Not saying he his a hero or anything, just that he did the right thing and should get a pat on the back.
That’s true. I’ve worked as an RN for the last few years, and I’ve worked alongside patients with psychiatric disorders as well, what people don’t understand is that pedophilia is an affliction, whereas child molestation is a crime.
Well there is no "right: or "wrong" in ethics. Only opinions and it matters how we justify them. Halstead seemed conflicted about letting that man die. As a health care worker myself, i feel for him in that situation. It's hard letting people go, watching them die. Especially when you know for a fact that there are treatments available.
He’s a good person. He can’t control his thoughts, but he resisted his urges and didn’t act on his bad thoughts.
"What is better: to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
56 years of one thing on your mind that you can't make go away and never acting on it...that takes so much strength and effort...i can't imagine how mentally exhausted he is
"it is not my job to judge him" that made my heart melt :((
Yes I love Doctor Manning and Doctor Charles! Dreamteam is
Joy Cloud you mean dr reese and doctor charles
I respect both Dr. Halsted and the patient in this.... it's hard to make these decisions and they both did.
"What is better - to be born good, or overcome your evil nature with great effort?" - Paarthurnax
He fights THE thoughts, and knows theyre not good. Respect.
Imagine being an astronaut and once you go for a spacewalk, your nose starts to itch... The ting is that you can't remove the helmet to scratch and you know you will be out there for 56 years. Now this is Spooky As Heck.
What you bout rolling down in the deep
Him: *I've made it 56 years-*
Me: What a fighter! (Thought he was talking about a medical issue)
Him: *Without molesting a child*
Me: O H.
April looks like she is anime, she is so pretty
If he wants to die and he is aware of his decision than just let him go....
Edit: I wasn't trying to cause any problems sorry if I offended you but thanks for the likes :3
Fairy Floss :P
It’s not that Simple.
@@rosanirodrigues557 I mean no it's not. Unless they can prove he's mentally incompetent if he's refusing treatment they can't force him
Suicidal people are also aware of their decision but it's a decision based on pain, anger, hopelessness. Is it really a decision when it's conditioned by emotions and not reason?
Suiside is never the right choise, that simple
@@BatmanAOMC Emotions are just as much of a factor in one's decision making as logic; we're humans. The fairest thing to do would be to judge it solely on a case by case basis. If an old man no longer wants cancer treatment and he's perfectly lucid, then let him be.
I’m sorry but it’s his choice to refuse treatment. I understand he can’t ask to die but he can refuse treatment
Many people struggle with these sorts of thoughts, they think the best way to stop those urges, and keep everyone around them safe, is to end it all. Many struggle in silence about this because there's so much stigma around it, yet, it's just thoughts and urges, they don't act on. And we need to expand to more studies in this field because it could stop so many others from acting on those urges.
I truly do believe that a person is entitled to an honorable and dignified exit in life. Provided that he is of sound mind and a psych has taken a look on him. The decision should ultimately be his.
I have so much respect for someone who knows they have a problem and gets help before they do something horrible. I hope it becomes more common for these people to be able to access help before they hurt a child
I strongly disagree with keeping someone alive against their will when they are declared legally competent to make that choice.
I was expecting a 'my wife/husband is gone and i want to see them' or 'i dont have any kids to live for' and then just....m
he didnt act on his thoughts, 56 YEARS.
he in a way, sacrificed himself instead of being selfish cause he knew it was wrong even if it was a pain for him to control himself.
he chose not to be a bad person, he kept it in himself.
he shouldnt be thought of the way other pedos should be.
also i know halsted shouldve respected his choice in the first place but i also know he hates loss when his job is to save so i wouldnt critisize him for it.
APiAl:just let him die
WiLl:no he is our patient and I’m not letting him die
Dr ReEse listening to doctor Charles so he’s trying to die??
Apial?
BLuEBErrY MANia:3 you mean April
Apial?
April
It’s April not apial
Does he not know that patients have the right to refuse treatment ? Has he ever heard of palliative care? Wtf is wrong with this hospital? No palliative team?
Kudos to the patient for living and dying with integrity. Shame on some of the doctors for not knowing what it is they are dealing with. Dr Charles got it right
Sometimes feelings aren't a choice, but your actions always are. I respect anyone who chooses to do what is right.
What part of no does he not understand. If the man wants to die let him
The video clip is very good, me think. It shows the ambivalence and the complicated switch not easy to do for a doctor, it's not '' switch on, switch off " !!!
I agree with you. But it's still disturbing to many humans. Sometimes, acceptance of illness and death is such a victory for the person that is sick. It's a gut feeling. And it is a proof of existential intelligence. Just as following a treatment can be !
So if someone want's to commit suicide your just gonna let them?
I am from a country where Euthanasia has been legal for years. I honestly don't even know any better. Just like with abortion and gay marriage, we have always been at the forefront of these issues.
I think I speak for most people in my country when I say that Euthanasia is a version of freedom of choice. You have to understand, we are a medically advanced country where everything is insured (still sorry about that America) and we are aging too much. We have too many old people to provide for our economy. So from a purely economical view point, Euthanasia is also a way to help our numbers.
Than we have the ethical issue. Euthanasia is NOT like suicide. Suicide implies that life can definitely get better. That you feel hopeless, but are not in a necessarily hopeless situation. Euthanasia is only for the hopeless cases. For people who will never get better and who want to die on their own terms. It is seen as strength, bravery.
I understand many countries and people find this difficult but quite like abortion and gay marriage to us it seems like a human right, more than an issue to be discussed.
Yes, but in america it is their legal obligation to help them live, if thry let him die when they see him as mentally incompetant in his judgement or depressed its a crime. The fact he let him die was a crime, but an ethical one. Hope this helps :)
it's not that easy when your job is to save people
8:56 When he said the time of death and looked at April like that really hit hard, the poor man was asking for death and it finally arrived..
6:23 me when my alarm goes off in the morning
OOF same
Him: "I've made it 56 years...
Me: Awww, that's understa-
Him: "Without molesting a child
Me: "Spoke too damn soon"😑
but it's a good thing he resisted the urges
A lot of people made it 56 years or more AND molested a child unfortunately🤢
I love how Will comfortingly held his hand. That action alone spoke volumes. It was like him saying, “I’m right here. It’s okay. I’m gonna stand by you, and help you through this, even though there’s nothing I can do.”
I respect this man for wanting to die because of what he has resisted doing for 56 years. It's a horrible thing and I'm glad that he hates it and thinks it's wrong. Say what you will, but he's brave and strong.
They didn’t take any notice that he had blood on his hospital gown and mouth
"Fine, as soon as he's cleaned up"
I think they did
Thats the way it should be . IF a person wants to end his/her/their life- It should be respected.
When the doctor dropped his tool while the old man is looking made me so sad, and when i hear the heart rate just dropped to 0%
Every human being deserves a 2nd chance, 🙁🙁
April should not be a nurse. She does not care at all about the patient. Only herself and here belief’s
i love how he speaks its soo clear its just soo satisfying
People like this can't ask for help without being instantly demonised. That needs to change. It could protect so many people.
I mean fair play to the guy admitting he has a problem but also hasn't acted on it.
"it won't be long."
My fucking heart-
The beeping noise sounds like my microwave
The logic of this always escapes me. Being obsessed with keeping a person alive against their will no matter the circumstance. I can understand some circumstances but someone who knows they are going to die, or someone who knows they present a danger to themselves and others, and all we can think about is forcing them to remain alive against their will.
I respect him for admitting it and knowing it’s wrong
"I've made it 56 years without molesting a child"
Plot Twist: He's 80 right now.
That's wrong, no one can tell you that you can't die. If he wants to die, it doesn't matter if he is a pedophile or not. Each person has the right to decide if they want to end their life.
This is something that in my country (netherlands) is allowed, but not easy. The patient must be complete aware, 100% certain, and sign... something. And a bunch of other legal stuff, only then is a doctor allowed to inject a lethal injection.
1:07 well, at least he knows what he is, and wants to stop himself from committing hell.
Yo mans needs to fly to Switzerland so he can “EXIT” The legal Swiss way 😂
Explain 🤔🤔
anna anne they’re talking about euthanasia (assisted death, basically legal suicide)
@@5hobs Literally something that should be legal worldwide tbh 🙄
Cian MacNamara exactly if someone doesn’t want to live they should legally should be allowed be euthanised
I’m crying right now he was so nice and it was sad when he died
I think this goes to show that people aren't good based on their thoughts, but their actions. This poor man was stricken with horrible thoughts that he was clearly disgusted by, and even though all of his mind was urging him to act on them he never did. I'm not saying he's necessarily a good man, but one worthy of respect.
I love will so much, h'es the one I like the most when he's treating patients, he's my comfort character
I know its a show but, I am crying so much rn. This is so sad! Imagine how he has to live like that
The acting bis so real, i thought they were real doctors ngl
Been out for 5 min and people commented 11 minutes ago UA-cam are you high again
When Will said 'It wont't be long" ah man. I felt bad and sympathetic
4:42 dr Abrams have no filterr 🤣🤣 he's my favorite
Thank you. I didn’t want to see that man suffer anymore you for filled his wishes but sometimes you have to make theses decisions.
CHICAGO MED AND FIRE NEED TO GO ON NETFLIX😤
agreed
Ben C no all the chicago shows aren’t
NOWWW
And PD
And PD
As a survivor of abuse. If this were a real story I would praise him for fighting this demon for so long. When he was talking about the itch that he can't scratch just about killed. My abuser gave into his.
The itch example is a 10/10
I love that neurosurgeon(?) he's so nonchalant it's hilarious
“i’ve made it 56 years without molesting a child”
i said: 😶🤭
Hes is the the hottest ginger i have ever seen in my entire life and i dont like ginger dudes😂
Nikole Kerpe what about Prince Harry girly he is a hot prince 😍 shame he’s married though 😭 I’d settle for halstead instead
I thought u were talking about the pedophile lol
Cream 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@nobody-qc7xc Same I was like wtffff
he looks like a bloke I dated, except he's not ginger.
Connor if you read this
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ehh.. whatever🤷🏻♀️
I know most Pedophile's are horrible people, but not all of them are, some of thrm don't want those horrible thoughts.
This episode made me cry the most, i really appreciat that Will doesn't judge, and just really wants to save anyone he can even though they may br 'horrible' people, this man has all my respect, this was such a sad episode to me, the ending was the saddest.
One of the biggest uno reverses ever
My anxiety level kicks in when these doctors don’t usually wear masks.
Why people like her are even obligated to be a nurse. She doesn’t even consider him as a normal patient. Thats just unprofessional and pathetic.
Yeah i always think the same when i see clips of her..she isnt suited for a job like that
I have been watching these videos for the last 3 hours and I think im ready to to be the real life (the good doctor)
That was soo sad too watch. He could only die to heal ….
I was not expecting that. shook.
Pedophile or not, the fact that he spent his whole life resisting it, and was willing to choose death to escape it, to me that is a heroic character. Just imagine how amazing his life would be if he DIDN'T suffer from those thoughts.
It's not easy to make a pedofile sympathetic but this was a tear jerker. He didn't want to do anything to any child
I feel bad for him. He can’t control his thoughts and he clearly hates them, as well as resisting them his whole life. I think dying for him was a blessing, gave him relief from his thoughts
i respect this man so much. He didn’t choose to be a pedo, but he’s fighting the urges. he’s been fighting them for over 50 years, imagine how hard that would be. nobody said his thoughts were right, but he didn’t choose to be this way.
I respect this guy... he is a good man